It’s called NeroLinux, and it’s the Linux equivelant of the Nero suite. Screenshots to gaze upon. Unfortunately, it seems that it’s using GTK+ 1.2.x instead of 2.x.
NeroLinux – Nero CD Burning App comes to Linux
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I laugh at whoever said that Nero can do more than K3B. It’s not possible to copy a DVD that is protected from one drive to another drive in Nero. You can do it in K3B. In fact you won’t EVER be able to do it in Nero. Still, it’s good to see Nero come out on Linux so we can use this example to directly contradict idiotic statements like that rant a few days ago on OSnews that claimed that commercial companies will never make desktop linux apps.
I think it’s great that Nero is out for Linux. From what the description says, it will work with all CD/DVD writers that their NeroAPI supports which means that Linux users can buy practically ANY burner out now including Dual-Layer ones (which Nero says it works with also). I’ve got a Pacific Digital Mach16X DVD+/-RW which works perfectly in Linux with K3b but I previously tried an LG Tri-Format that didn’t. If Nero had been available when I bought the LG, I am very sure that I would have been able to keep that drive at that time and be able to burn DVDs using NeroLinux. I love K3b but it is awesome to know that we Linux users now have even more CD/DVD burners available to us with this software. I do hope more hardware vendors will follow this example.
The only downside is that they do require the purchase of the full version of Nero 6 Suite. Since my burner came with the OEM version of Nero 6, I can (and will) get Nero 6 at a discounted price and will add NeroLinux to my system. This gives users of the monopoly’s OS one less reason to put off switching to Linux.
Instead of the endless and useless argument about whether Qt or GTK is better, how about we talk about something more important. Like the fact that NeroLinux is just Gnometoaster with some fancy graphic on it.
http://gnometoaster.rulez.org/whatis.html#screenshots
Looks like they used some GPL code there…. or maybe they just stole the interface….
It is a dream come true!!! Now nothing can stop me from switching 100% to linux…except the absence of apps like SIbelius, Cubase, Sound Forge…
It looks like linux is taken pretty seriously nowadays!
>except the absence of apps like SIbelius, Cubase, Sound Forge…
Have you tried Rosegarden?
Even if this is “just” GnomeToaster with the back-end replaced, that’s still interesting. That means that Ahead have ported NeroAPI over to Linux. Now, as far as I’m aware, nobody on Windows has ever written a full blown CD burning app with NeroAPI, because there was no point. Nero will do that for you.
However, on Linux Ahead have supplied only a GTK1 frontend. There should be absolutely nothing preventing somebody (maybe even Ahead themselves) from modifying an existing CD burning GUI to use NeroAPI instead of mkisofs/cdrecord/cdrdao/growisofs. After all, free software is allowed to depend on non-free libraries (and thus can run on non-free operating systems).
Similarly, Ahead could provide NeroAPI-based wrappers that emulate the functionality of mkisofs, cdrecord, and associated tools, if they so desired.
I doubt most OSS developers would do any of this, but some commercial distros might, if they wanted to use NeroAPI instead of cdrecord for whatever reason. Ahead themselves might do it at some point in the future. It’d certainly be easier.
That brings up one other interesting point – NeroAPI itself. Using it in a GUI app is considerably easier than developing a frontend around cdrecord. That’s probably something we should work towards – splitting the functionality of CD burning into a couple of libraries, and front ends that use the libraries (be they command line, or GUI). libburn was supposed to do this, but doesn’t appear to have gotten anywhere.
Also, if anyone wasn’t aware, Ahead actually have developed some open source software. For example, FAAD (an AAC decoder) was developed by them, and is currently used by all open source programs that want to open AAC files.
Why use Nero when we have such a great application as GnomeBaker? It’s capable of burning DVD’s and CD’s, and it’s full featured. In addition, it’s a native GTK+ application.
http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/
I use linux since RH7.
Now I am with FC3.
Please quit moaning and complaining!
If Nero guys has decided so, well take the good, not the bad.
Linux needs more support form Commercial Vendors.
It’s the only way to push Windows out.
When you have K3B…
sorry, when you have Gnome Baker …
no, its Xcdroast that kicks ass…
why use any of the above when cdrecord is available?
sigh
Nero on Windows is unsurpassed. It is great progress to see Ahead Software taking an interest in the GNU/Linux platform, and giving us more choice.
I don;t see why every release of a piece of software has to turn into a flame-war of “my f4v3 4pp iz be77er th4n y00rz”
Well someone says that qt are not good for commercial apps, but have a look at this:
http://www.trolltech.com/products/hotnew/adobe.html
someone uses it
this could mean that there is a possibility about porting adobe apps to linux
Great that a company starts to port window apps to Linux! Better would be if they made it open source too (GPL).
I agree that no one will buy them when there are open source alternatives with whom you don’t have to register and mostly have a better interface.
So for the Nero-guys; GPL your software and don’t ask for any registration. But include an option to give money through paypal!
It’s a nice token gesture by Nero, but they deliberately haven’t put much work into it at all. It’ll certainly give them some experience with GTK anyway
. Simply on the screenshots (and features) K3B craps all over this, and it is just a GnomeToaster rip-off. Proprietary Linux software is going to have a hard time gaining any sort of market share when it isn’t as good as the free stuff. And Nero circa 5 was good – everything after was and is total crap. I’d hardly consider this news.
1.)Novells influence in the Gnome/GTK+ community.
-funding bounties
-hiring Tor, the Win32 GTK+ guy
-funding Mono/Beagle/Dashboard/F-spot . 23 Novell engineers are working on Mono (excluding the Ximian people, IIRC)
They don’t make any money out of any of that stuff, and they continue to blow it. There’s nothing to suggest that will change any time soon.
– ISVs are targetting Gnome. VMware 5 (beta) is GTK+/Gnome-HIG compliant for example.
Wow. You have a very interesting idea of what ISVs are. I would never say that ISVs have targetted Qt in any large numbers, simply because you have to compare that to the number of ISVs targetting Windows. But, the number of ISVs using Qt is a heck of a lot more than those using GTK. The number of ISVs using GTK, however big people think they are, is miniscule. You need to get out more.
4.) QT license and cost
-pretty much self explanatory
-GTK+/Gnome framework both LGPL. Big plus.
So the commercial development tools that everyone uses, including Nero, on Windows are useless to everyone then? You’re also saying that no one will develop commercial development tools for GTK? Interesting.
Then there is the problem of maintainability. Nero write for different platforms – what common technology and toolkit are the going to use? What’s going to work today? Nope, it ain’t Mono.
Novell makes very little money on SUSE Pro sales, they only care about NLD/SLES.
I’m sorry, but Suse Linux Professional is the only desktop distribution that actually makes money apart from Mandrake’s probably. The corporate Linux desktop market is simply not there and people keep deluding themselves into thinking it exists. SLES is Novell/Suse’s core product. It uses YaST heavily, Qt and KDE as it’s graphical front-end.
Funny. You mention the word corporate to a bunch of fanboys and they go all gooey eyed. Look – KDE, Qt, Gnome or GTK, we just aren’t where you idiots think we are. The really funny thing is that you people embrace this corporate software bollocks when it suits you, and then criticise companies for distributing commercial/proprietary and even dual-licensed software. That must fill many companies full of confidence.
I use K3B and it works just fine for me and I don’t plan on switching anytime soon anyway. While I love Nero as much as the next frothing Nero lunatic I must say that I doubt that they’ll offer an free OEM bundled edition. I think it’s fantastic that another commercial app is available to Linux users but until they offer at least a free “basic” version (like the Windows Nero OEM package that comes bundled with many CD/DVD writers) I’m not going to give it much thought.
Personally I think that if they’re going to offer a free “basic” version for Windows users then they should offer the same to Linux users. Of course what they’re doing now is exactly what they are in business for — to make money. Nothing wrong with that, but until they start providing a basic version of Nero for Linux in OEM form for manufacturers to include with the drives that are sold in stores I’m not going to buy or bother recommending it. We’ll just have to wait and see how much they really care about the Linux users. Hey, at least they care enough to release a version for Linux even if does cost $60-$100.
“Luke, I AM your operating system.” — Darth Linux
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I find it very positive that commercial software is being ported to linux, but let’s *not* bash the excellent OSS equivalents: true, K3B has failed me a couple of times, but it is still great.
K3b in KDE of a Slackware-based Linux runs cleanly and beautifully.
Why do I need to purchase anything?
There is actually no legitimate reason to run any IA32 ware.
I run a small educational network of 120 machines stretched out across five lab areas. They came with a Micron-branded version of Nero. I had to remove this piece of factory installed shiftware since it kept cr@ping out on the users.
Nero, which costs money either installed as a bundle or a stand-alone product, is around 30 megabytes. This is just the main program. Sixty MB if you add all the junk add-ons.
Great, I’ll buy it.
It’s far most faster than gtk2.X so great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im you, GTK1.x may not be a beauty queen but is faster and use less memory, that’s why Im in love with XMMS.
Bring it on! I’d love to have more apps on there. What are you guys worried about anyways? You still have all the source to the OS; you still have plenty of Open Source programming languages to work from; you still have the ability to create the next Nero, RealPlayer, et cetera.
So what’s the big deal? You want everything free as in “our company is dirt poor because we cornered a market and had people actually paying us for our product, but then we heard about this Linux thing, and everything there is free, so we gave everything away that people at one time paid money for.”
Geez, you can’t please some people can you?!
Anyone else notice this looks alot Gnome-Toaster 1.0beta6?
I feel, reading here certain post that it could be better a poor Nero portage (gtk1 etc..)than the use of K3b, I only hope
it is a missunderstand…
Linux deserve a better choice and not to offer a new WM war.
For me the choice is done, even under Gnome K3b is the best!
Yes, it’s impressive.
I hope they didn’t a sed/gtoaster/nero_linux/g and they are hoping to sell it
Nero does not rock. It does not support Rock Ridge format in data CDs, something one would have thought to be an obvious requirement for Unix / Linux file systems.
even under Gnome K3b is the best!
How the hell do you know that?
You even haven’t tried Nero for linux yet.
Men these trolls.
“I’d hardly consider this news”
Yeah, because stuff like this happens everyday for Linux, right? Give me a break.
threads like this give a very good impression of the open source community
please grow
hi,
i was compiling a list of commercial software for linux.
i dunno i think its a good thing there should be a choice.
specially when things like commercial games never show their presence in Linux.
i stopped with the list, but Nero now sort of persuaded me again to tidy up and add more stuff.
so if you know of any commercial software and can offer input please add your experience with them to my list:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=13…
thank you
Yeah, because stuff like this happens everyday for Linux, right? Give me a break.
When they really port the full Nero to Linux, it might be. This is what we really want these companies to be able to do. Otherwise this is just another cheap knock-off that will unfortunately fail and not give companies the confidence they need to really port to Linux. It’s a snowball effect in reverse. The screenshots and the application itself is shockingly like GnomeToaster and nothing like the Windows version of Nero.
You also can’t buy it. You have to register a full version of Nero (i.e. Windows) and you then get it for free. We have already had a lot of software like this ported to Linux, and they haven’t done very well. Sorry, but after many, many years of waiting my standards are higher.
“Sorry, but after many, many years of waiting my standards are higher.”
Perhaps too high?
“The screenshots and the application itself is shockingly like GnomeToaster and nothing like the Windows version of Nero.”
But it’s a start. Have you tried it yet or are you still just looking at screenshots?
“You also can’t buy it. You have to register a full version of Nero (i.e. Windows) and you then get it for free.”
Like a few Linux games which come only if you buy the Windows version.
“When they really port the full Nero to Linux, it might be.”
At least they’ve done something. What commercial software have you ported to Linux?
“It’s a snowball effect in reverse”
It’s a blizzard of bickering elitists.
Sorry, I haven’t read all 100+ comments, but I’m wondering if the Linux version has all the stuff that the Windows version has? Inparticular, the inclusion of various codecs and the NeroRecode app?
It’s just that kind of poison we’re trying to avoid, the commercialization. And except for the RedDrakes and the ManHats, we’ve succeeded. But they’re really not part of the community anyway. And neither is Nero.
Then stay in the closet and play with your CLI. The majority of us could care less about you and/or your “community” – its a two way road.
Nero sucks. It sucks in Windows – there are far simpler CD burning Windows applications – and it’ll suck just that much more in Linux.
Interesting how guys like you claim there are far simplier solutions on a platform but never quite get around to naming them. lol
Adults get to learn how their operating system really works. And they leave the children behind with Nero.
Yeah I think you lost a lot of people with this one.
Most ‘adults’ I know have better things to do than muck around in the bowels of their OS. They want to do things like burn a CD quickly and then leave the house because they have this thing called a life and it extends beyond the computer.
Perhaps too high?
No, because nothing less than that is going to make Linux really work on the desktop. Remember, people have been talking about this sort of thing for years and years.
But it’s a start. Have you tried it yet or are you still just looking at screenshots?
I’ve tried it as I have a Nero license. Trust me – it’s Gnome Toaster.
The least they could have done was emulate their Windows interface and make it the same application. I’m just wondering whether they’re using the same CD burning components on Linux rather than really porting the Nero core software.
Like a few Linux games which come only if you buy the Windows version.
No, you have to buy the Windows version to get the Linux version with Nero (and you don’t get the features of the Windows version on Linux). They’re selling the software, and the two shouldn’t be related. With a game you have a seperate Linux client, but the game files (which are portable) are included on the Windows disc. You pop it in and install them and you have exactly the same game on Linux that you do on Windows. It’s different.
At least they’ve done something. What commercial software have you ported to Linux?
I’m the one with the Nero license
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It’s a blizzard of bickering elitists.
That would be you then.
“Yeah I think you lost a lot of people with this one.”
Can we hope that we’ve lost you, ace?
jlowell
For us dual booters its great. We get at some of the basic functionality of Nero for Linux.
As for most of the comments its not surprising. On one hand people claim Linux is ready for the desktop but when traditional desktop software companies start moving in that direction suddenly its a bad thing.
I don’t use Photoshop professionally but I can get around it well. And I tried Gimp several times and it just let me down. One thing is their ignorance of not listening to its users when they ask for a Phostohop-like GUI. Almost every image application I use (and know of) has a PS-ripoff GUI. Simply because it is almost perfect for its job. But of course, the Gimp developers know better.
I do use Photoshop professionally, and let me tell you there’s nothing wrong with the Gimp except if you do print work (even then, things are moving along quite nicely with CMYK support).
Of course, the shortcuts aren’t the same, and that’s potentially the biggest issue. But what I don’t understand is why so many people complain about the GUI, especially now that the menu bar appears on top of the image bar. Is the lack of a “workspace window” really that disconcerting? I myself really like the Gimp UI…there’s a small learning curve when you come from PS, but it’s really not that steep (once you get over the “no workspace window” thing).
As far as features go, Gimp is increasingly competitive with Photoshop, who has become rather stagnant in the latest releases.
From a funtionality standpoint I would compare The Gimp to Paint .NET rather than Photoshop. I don’t have the time to write down everthing Photoshop outperforms The Gimp, you will just have to take my word that it’s not in the same league as Gimp. Or you can go visit some design forums and ask there.
I’m sorry, but I can’t take your word for it. Unless you absolutely require Pantone colors, then there are very few features that Photoshop has which are missing from Gimp (as of version 2.2.4). And of course most professional designers won’t see an incentive to switch, because it would mean re-learning a new GUI and new shortcuts (i.e. user intertia, a very powerful force indeed). The fact is that Gimp is now a worthy competitor to Photoshop (except, again, if you work with printing shops – then it’s still a bit behind).
And except for the RedDrakes and the ManHats, we’ve succeeded. But they’re really not part of the community anyway.
Says who? FYI Mandrake is a 100% free software distro. The fact that they also sell boxed products doesn’t mean they’re not “part of the community”. In fact, Mandrake is very much part of the community, whether you like it or not.
This is the first release of this application. If anyone knows anything about Nero, they know that the company are constantly improving their software too. There is a new version virtually every month. If you don’t like it now, wait a while. It will get better.
And anyway, I thought it would be really quite hard to port the Nero Windows interface to Linux. Aren’t there a lot of limitations imposed on it by the GUI toolkits that are available?
As for the people who are complaining about the ‘buy one get one free’ aspect of the deal. What on earth is that all about? You can still buy it. What if it said, buy the Linux version and get the Windows version free? Would you be happier? It is all just a matter of words, no one will force you to use the Windows version.
This is all just a lot of pointless bitching.
GJ
Aren’t there a lot of limitations imposed on it by the GUI toolkits that are available?
I wouldn’t think so. I still think they should have used GTK2+ or Qt.
For the record, I am a Linux enthusiast and even though K3b is more than enough for me, I’m always happy to see more choice available to Linux users. To all those who reacted to some Linux users that were critical of Nero: chill. Just because a couple of people voice these opinions on a web site does not mean that the community at large feels the same way.
I am curious, though: what main advantage would there be to use Nero instead of K3b (in addition to working with a familiar GUI for Windows transfuges).
Again, this logic doesn’t pan out. I ask you, are: Adobe, Real, Nero and EMC “very small scale” and their Linux products “semiprofessional pastime[s]”? I don’t think so. Why arent theses companies using QT?
It could very well be very small scale. It could even be some single employee that have taken some intiative and made Nero for Linux on more or less his own time and then conviced his boss to release it as a product instead of ask for funds for proper tools.
Perhaps they happened to have a developer that was good at gtk so they could save some training costs.
Funny you mention Adobe. They use Motif for Acrobat reader. Motif is MANY times more expensive than QT and they still can afford to give it away for free. So if QT isn’t used it is not because of the price.
“”Wrong. I’ve had stability problems with the likes of k3b, so I use xcdroast. Plenty of people experience stability issues with k3b””
True xcdroast and K3B are great programs and if they charge for nero for linux they are silly.
Better option would be buy both nero for linux and windows which would be good for OEM’s.
Just because a couple of people voice these opinions on a web site does not mean that the community at large feels the same way.
OK:
I am curious, though: what main advantage would there be to use Nero instead of K3b (in addition to working with a familiar GUI for Windows transfuges).
You’ve summed it up right there.
Sad to say, another example of the unfortunate tendency to view Windows software as the standard for all else. Who needs a front end anyway? You’re always wasting time learning the intricacies of the user interface and they’re all different. Enough, already! Isn’t it sufficient to run cdrecord from a command prompt.
It is ironic how one that tries to pass as a power user (“isn’t command
line sufficient” etc) has a hard time grapsing BASIC RULES of computer
science (and, yes, interface design is part of most computer science
curriculums).
Let’s see:
“You’re always wasting time learning the intricacies of the user interface and they’re all different”.
1) In case you have’t heard, command line is also a USER INTERFACE.
It is just not a *graphical* user interface [*]
2) You have it backwords: where you have to learn the “intricasies of the user interface” is with COMMAND LINE interfaces. With command line you *ABSOLUTELY* have to learn those. With graphical front ends or graphical UIs, you don’t.
Why? Because unless you read the man page or the help message (–help, etc) you don’t know what options exist and what to type to invoke any of them. With a graphical user interface you don’t have to read anything. You learn what options are available just by looking at them (as buttons on the toolbar or menu items). So you discover those while RUNNING the program, not as a *seperate* phase of reading some manual text.
In some cases you have to refer to the help pages of a gui program too. But this holds only either (a) for anvanced functions, or (b) when the gui program is badly designed, whereas this is an absolute prerequisite for command line programs.
3) GUI elements, buttons, lists, etc are standardized in the same toolkit (say QT or GTK). Menu item names (File, Edit, etc) are also standardized. There are stock icons for GUI libraries (open, edit, delete etc actions). Programs differ in the gui layout and for unique functions, but the above are more or less standardized.
It is command line programs that are ALL DIFFERENT. Each command line program has a different switch and different names for the same commands. While they too can be standardized they are not in any extent. So -a in one cli program does something else than -a does in another. -h is help in some programs. In LS it means “show size in (h)uman readable way” (i.e KB or MB).
This all, like the principle of discoverability, is basic computer science. It is not like it is difficult to grasp. Why do people keep making the same mistaken claims?
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[*] Mistakenly, some believe ncurses programs like Mutt or the debian config system are also command line programs. Wrong.
“I am curious, though: what main advantage would there be to use Nero instead of K3b”
What main advantage would there be to use application A-Y vs. Z? I can use tons of different browsers, text editors, etc. in Linux, some of which are nearly identical in design/features. Why not bark up these people’s trees for trying to reinvent the wheel? Why don’t more people do this? Because Linux is about choice. That’s part of what makes Linux so great. People will either use NeroLINUX or they won’t, and for most people the CLI/K3b arguments against it won’t even matter one bit because chances are most people won’t be reading them.
Buy the windoze version just to have the linux one?why dont they sell the linux version outright,eeverrry body that wants the windoze version or windoze for that matter already has it
If they are going to do a Zeta version or a skyOS one?
“Buy the windoze version just to have the linux one?why dont they sell the linux version outright,eeverrry body that wants the windoze version or windoze for that matter already has it”
And if they sold the Linux version, I’m sure people would say “What? Why don’t they just give the Linux version away for free with the Windows version” because we know how many dual booters there are out there. Either that or they would howl like a stuck pig that a Linux version shouldn’t be sold but rather given away for free, or the ever famous GPL strawmen arguments.
IMO it wouldn’t matter if Nero even gave it away for free at this point, there’s always plenty of people who have to pick at something until there’s nothing left to pick at/on.
The 1.x choice is interesting. A good choice, though, I think. Because GTK 2.x really needs to clean and speed itself up. It’s a bit prettier but at a good cost. The idea of a total rewrite is stupid to me. History’s thought us to work with what we have instead of knocking it all down and starting from scratch. GTK2 was rejected for good reason, I think.
I’m a recent adopter of Linux myself – I have divided my computer so as to have both Windows and Linux available, just in case. I find it hugely encouraging to have Nero on my Linux partition.
It seems to me that many of the posters (who may or may not represent the majority of the open source community) are missing the point. Why don’t people up and migrate to Linux? Because its strange, things are different and it requires them to re-learn a lot of the basic things that they thought they knew. (Lets ignore the argument of what level of knowledge average users should have)
These are the majority of computer users. If Linux is to be a major player in the mainstream operating system market, these are the people that must have attention paid to. That is why cross-platform programs like OpenOffice, the GIMP, jgnash, Firefox, Thunderbird, gAIM and others are so important. They allow people to become comfortable with these programs in the enviroment they are used to. Once they are comfortable with the programs, moving to Linux will be so much less painful – they will already know the programs!
Nero is doing Linux a favor, in a way, by porting its program to Linux (although we can agree that altruism is not the motivating factor in capitolism…). People are already familiar with Nero Burning Rom – they know that it is good and that Ahead is a solid company. Having it available in Linux provides that much more comfort because they recognize the program.
Neverminding the positives & negatives of commercial software, Nero should be applauded and encouraged in this project. Not many major programs – commercial & popular (to the average user, mind you) programs – are being ported to Linux. The more this happens, the more willing people are going to seriously consider Linux. And after that transition, maybe they’ll see other open source alternatives (K3b, for example) as superior. But that’s not the point. First they need to be comfortable and willing to make the leap.
– Jacob
If you say K3B you’re going to hell
Its a cheap rip off.
You’ve summed it up right there.
I think you misinterpret what I’m saying (hopefully not on purpose). I’m happy that there’s a port of Nero for Linux, as it gives more choice. It may or may not be better than K3b, I have no opinion – I guess it depends on your needs. It just so happens that K3b fulfills my needs, so for me there’s little incentive to switch. Right tool for the job and al.
My question is an honest one: I’m really curious about the advantages of using Nero over K3b. This is not a hostile gesture, as you seem to interpret rather aggressively yourself. I’m totally open to learning more about Nero and its features.
What main advantage would there be to use application A-Y vs. Z? I can use tons of different browsers, text editors, etc. in Linux, some of which are nearly identical in design/features. Why not bark up these people’s trees for trying to reinvent the wheel?
My question wasn’t asked defiantly, I was really curious to hear about Nero’s distinctive features. I’m all for choice and I’m happy that a popular Windows app is now available for Linux. However, I will only switch myself if the added features are worth the cost, and then only if these new features fit my needs.
I’m just curious, but it seems that even asking a simple question about Nero is met with suspicion on the part of some posters here…
Since it’s the NeroAPI, does it have support for JustLink?
That would be nice. -_-
This is cool. Nero is a name most windows users are familiar with. This is just one more step in making linux easier to switch to. I may buy it just to support the effort since I’m a gnome user and havn’t really found an app I want to use instead of K3B. A review of NeroLinux would be nice if someone who bought a liscense could post one. A comparison to some other linux burners would be even better. =)
Hi all
Its nice add to linux dvd/cd/rw tools.
For me its a “something that I was loking for a long time” burn tool.
Been using gtoaster for some time now, so switch to nero is no big step at all since it uses gtoster “skin”. I was hoping for a gtoaster update for DVD part but still nothing. K3b is a very good thing but for a user that doesn’t use kde at all its a overkill to install just that. 28 packages just for k3b …cmon give me a brake…
I welcome nero to linux world with open hands…
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Been using gtoaster for some time now, so switch to nero is no big step at all since it uses gtoster “skin”.
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Or maybe gtoaster uses Nero “skin”?
Nice that another company is porting their app to Linux, but this K3B vs Nero talk is silly. How many features do you need? Some of you are just disgruntled Gnome user looking for another excuse to bash KDE.
lurking inside my sisters laptop bag: Nero 6
She wanted me to install Linux and I masochistically agreed (ATI drivers aint being fun)
Cool gonna test out the Nero app in Linux!
Too cool in fact.
“Please note: This offer is not for OEM or Demo version users.”
.. Oh dang, not good :/
This is specifically a reply to Jeroen’s comment that everyone should just GPL products and ask for paypal donations. That is just stupid…. Why? Well, while my example is not GPL, it is ‘practically’ the same thing. A program I use on Windows called Mushclient. It is in my opinion the best telnet game application I have ever seen, though sadly currently only for Windows. And no KMud and others that exist for Linux suck by comparison, and imo so does the other major Windows player zMud, though not everyone entirely agrees with that opinion. The author chose to let you use the program pretty much forever without paying for it, with no missing features in the nag-ware version. Yeah, it does have that nag screen, but the author didn’t use some complicated method to protect the registration either, so a lot of idiots probably just crack it. The cost to register? Only $20. “Honest” users might paypal $50 or more to him to support it, but the reality is that ‘paypal + GPL’ or ‘proprietary + registration’, the same result would happen. The fact that he ‘does’ require registration means he knows how many people are actually contributing monetarilly to it, unlike GPL projects, where 2 billion people could download it, but you don’t have the slightest idea how many are using it, where they got it from or how many of them actually tossed some cash your way. And here is the simple hard truth about it: Of the thousands of downloads that people have made, less than 10%, even amoung those that admit to still using it, have ever paid for it. GPL would only make that worse and leave him with even less reason to want to make it into a better application. He didn’t make the client to give away, he wanted to make money.
Ahead didn’t create Nero because they wanted to ‘contribute’ something to the world either, they did it to make money. GPL only makes money if you sell service, not product and burning software doesn’t exactly have a whole lot os secondary ‘services’ that you could sell to support the product. That is reality, however much all you “Everything should be GPL” clowns want it to be otherwise. It Nick Gammon was dependent on Mushclient to feed himself, he would be coding out of a news paper tent in a park, while eating his lunches out of the nearest garbage can. The only alternative would have been to make another half assed, feature limited application that ‘almost’ does half of what it does do, then tell everyone, “Tough, I have a real job and don’t have time to screw around with adding every little thing you people want, wait a year, maybe by then I will feel like adding it…” That is the *real* world, where as much as everyone would like the make the best and the greatest and give it away to everyone for free, the reality is, people have to eat and the more people you have working ‘for’ you that also need to eat, the less useful, “Just send me what ever you feel you can afford, I don’t mind.”, marketing become even remotely useful. Especially if you 80% of the possible customers are screaming, “Why do we need another program for that? <insert application here> works perfectly already!”
Welcome to the Wal-Marting of the IT industry. The ultimate pyramid scheme. Anyway this story is more like a “reward” for those Windows users already using Nero, and have moved, or contemplating, moving to Linux. Those who have never used Nero, or plan to use Nero aren’t a part of the picture.
I don’t understand the need for people to post replies like “K3B already works better for linux users” because while that is a subjective comment the bottom line is that new users need the familiarity. My sister who is a WinXP AOL WMP Nero user would not want to take the time to learn a new app unless there is a marked improvement over what she is using. Not because she is not computer literate (she is) but she uses her computer as a tool. She is not interested in learning the deep dark secrets of an OS, command line, etc
I have no problem paying for software any more than I have a problem getting it for free so I went and got NeroLinux today.
Got the RPM version which installed without a hitch on Sun’s JDS2. The program detected my drive, correctly determined that as a user I didn’t have write access. The PDF manual is excellent. It told me how to correct that problem and away I went.
This rpogram is not just some lame, half-assed port. I never user the Windows version but in my opinion it’s miles ahead of any of the other burning apps I have tried. Just having a decent manual is a winner as far as I’m concerned.
Highly reccomended and kudos to the original developer (gnometoaster) and the people at Nero.
Three cheers for Brian!! Here’s a Linux user who’s put his money where his mouth is and has done the Right Thing (TM). See, goes to show that closed-source software can beat open source software (Nero vs K3B, Oracle vs MySQL, DB2 vs Postgresql, DoomIII vs Tuxracer, VmWare vs Wine)
We need more people like Brian, who are able to check their religion at the door and support ISVs who are trying to add value to Linux.
I never tried K3B because I’m running Gnome and wasn’t willing to try to install the kde libs. I also bought StarOffice and VMWare so that I could run the company accounting program.
Back to NeroLinux…just finished my second cd…happy camper.
This is specifically a reply to Jeroen’s comment that everyone should just GPL products and ask for paypal donations. That is just stupid…. Why? Well, while my example is not GPL, it is ‘practically’ the same thing. A program I use on Windows called Mushclient. It is in my opinion the best telnet game application I have ever seen, though sadly currently only for Windows. And no KMud and others that exist for Linux suck by comparison, and imo so does the other major Windows player zMud, though not everyone entirely agrees with that opinion. The author chose to let you use the program pretty much forever without paying for it, with no missing features in the nag-ware version. Yeah, it does have that nag screen, but the author didn’t use some complicated method to protect the registration either, so a lot of idiots probably just crack it. The cost to register? Only $20. “Honest” users might paypal $50 or more to him to support it, but the reality is that ‘paypal + GPL’ or ‘proprietary + registration’, the same result would happen. The fact that he ‘does’ require registration means he knows how many people are actually contributing monetarilly to it, unlike GPL projects, where 2 billion people could download it, but you don’t have the slightest idea how many are using it, where they got it from or how many of them actually tossed some cash your way. And here is the simple hard truth about it: Of the thousands of downloads that people have made, less than 10%, even amoung those that admit to still using it, have ever paid for it. GPL would only make that worse and leave him with even less reason to want to make it into a better application. He didn’t make the client to give away, he wanted to make money.
you confused foss with shareware. shareware is a paradigm that is basically a “try before you buy” type deal. the intent is to make money.
free software is software written for moral reasons. corporate software development is a relatively new thing, and many believe that it is unethical to build on others work without ever releasing yours to that same public domain.
opensource software is a methodology (like shareware). unlike shareware, it is basically a method to leverage a phenomenon: developers like writing code, and will do it for free if it interests them. oss can be anything from a group of people getting together and deciding that they can do a better job together then they can apart (apache), or a situation where a piece of software is related to, but not the value part of what your selling (the osx kernel).
Ahead didn’t create Nero because they wanted to ‘contribute’ something to the world either, they did it to make money. GPL only makes money if you sell service, not product and burning software doesn’t exactly have a whole lot os secondary ‘services’ that you could sell to support the product. That is reality, however much all you “Everything should be GPL” clowns want it to be otherwise. It Nick Gammon was dependent on Mushclient to feed himself, he would be coding out of a news paper tent in a park, while eating his lunches out of the nearest garbage can. The only alternative would have been to make another half assed, feature limited application that ‘almost’ does half of what it does do, then tell everyone, “Tough, I have a real job and don’t have time to screw around with adding every little thing you people want, wait a year, maybe by then I will feel like adding it…” That is the *real* world, where as much as everyone would like the make the best and the greatest and give it away to everyone for free, the reality is, people have to eat and the more people you have working ‘for’ you that also need to eat, the less useful, “Just send me what ever you feel you can afford, I don’t mind.”, marketing become even remotely useful. Especially if you 80% of the possible customers are screaming, “Why do we need another program for that? <insert application here> works perfectly already!”
the strength of the gpl is that it creates an ecosystem where everyone is forced to play nice. the reason it was made was to change the world, not just as another software liscence.
also, giving things away for free is not manditory. it is customary, as the vast amount of free software is done as collaberative development by hobbyists, but that isnt the only way to do it (look at xandros or linspire for two examples).
the last point is that the vast majority of oss projects dont have “customers”. they have users, but the users are the developers, artists, documentation writers, testers, and designers. those are the “users” that stuff is written for, anyone else is free to download, modify, copy, sell, etc the software, but they are typically considered freeloaders who want something for nothing, which is typically the reason that you wont find the developers bending over backwards for them.
This is a good news, I’ll give it a try.
Burning CD is ok under Linux, but It’s really a pain in the ass to burn DVDs.
I hope this will help to increase quality et effciency of the existing tools under linux (which are good but give me so much difficulties to burn a cd/dvd without putting one in trash).
As far as I know, there are now :
– cdrecord for CD (gpl)
– cdrecord for DVD (same one but need a special key for personnal use to burn DVD)
– growisofs (used by k3b)
– cdrdao (for burning CDs)
– dvd+rw tools
– NeroLinux
others are frontend.
“free software is software written for moral reasons. corporate software development is a relatively new thing, and many believe that it is unethical to build on others work without ever releasing yours to that same public domain. ”
So basically it’s “unethical” to run a closed-source application on top of an open-source OS, because it’s building “on others work”.
Sounds like a certain group wants their cake, and to eat it too.
Now you all know why some people consider the BSD more “free”.
you are indeed correct, and that is exactly the reason some people consider bsd more “free”. opensource and free software developers are totally different critters, both are doing more or less the same thing, just for very different reasons. there are a great many people who dont like the gpl, and perfer a more bsd like liscence (like brian balendorf for example)
isn’t it just a rename of gtoaster?
“opensource and free software developers are totally different critters, both are doing more or less the same thing, just for very different reasons.”
Well that’s all fine and dandy, but in the context of being accepted by the masses, and all the benefits that go with that. It presents a big problem. Would Oracle have come to linux if they knew that it was “unethical”? What about Nvidia drivers? Novell, or IBM? Plus the hypocritical position of basically saying, we believe in freedom. just not for you. Kind of like saying “We believe in free speech, just not for you.”. The only saving grace here is that those who take such a stance have little power over the outcome.
At least with the BSDs, this position couldn’t arise because the relationship is defined up front, and unambiguously.
… you *HAVE* to buy the m$ version
to get the Linux version.
enough said.
regards, michael
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> you confused foss with shareware. shareware is a paradigm that is
> basically a “try before you buy” type deal. the intent is to make money.
I am not confusing anything. I was trying to make the point that given away something, by means of shareware *or* GPL, will produce the same result if you expect any money from it. With GPL, the number of ‘donations’ will be less than 10% of the people that use it. With Shareware, unless you have the program disable itself after 30 days or intentionally leave some functions unusable until they buy it, the result is also less than 10% of people contributing monetarilly. I suppose it is conceivable they could GPL the software, then sell the database to make it work with different burners as the ‘money’ end of things… So, maybe Ahead ‘could’ manage it, but not every single application in existance has the *luck* of including some database or the like which can be sold as an addon or service. The simpler ones that don’t, the companies really can’t afford to GPL at all. You can’t sell something that the ‘fair’ licensing of the GPL lets the first 50 people that download it change and upload to all your other, now nonexistant, customers. This is why you will see someone like Linspire or Red Hat ‘selling’ an OS, but no one ‘selling’ a text editor. The later is too generic to financially compete as a GPL product. There just isn’t anything, once the user has a copy, that they need to add to it, use with it or puchase help figuring out. GPL “can’t” be the answer for everything, even if I may not have initially thought about Nero in that context enough to see how it could be. Or at least it can’t be if everything you make under it you also intend to sell. That is what I was trying to get accross about the flaw in the idea that you can ‘always’ make money with a FOSS license. Sometimes, you can’t.
Nothing mentions firewire drive support on the page. Is this implied by 2.6 kernel IDE Driver interface? I’ve never used firewire in Linux before, but my DVD-Burner is an IDE drive in a firewire enclosure. It would be nice to know if this works.
If you manage to see your FireWire device in the /proc/scsi/scsi file, you will be able to use it with NeroLINUX.
No. Absolutly not. It uses the NeroAPI instead of the “standard” CLI progs like cdrecord.