“Microsoft has admitted its biggest worry over the roll out of its flagship .Net strategy is the potential backlash from angry customers once they realise today’s web services are mainly hype. And according to Charles Fitzgerald, global director of strategy for the .Net platform at Microsoft, his firm is also much more worried about IBM’s Websphere than the widely perceived battle between .Net and Java.” Read the rest of the stoy at Yahoo! News.
Microsoft Fears Hype and IBM, but not Sun
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Typical Ms : we’re worried there’s to much hype – Sun suck because they said they said it was all hype. I hate these managers and spindocters.
How can MS be not worried about Java, but worried about WebSphere, when WebSphere is a Java AppServer????
as if MS will publicly admit what scares them.
…micro$oft sucks post. I wish they would find balmer’s and gates’ bloated corpses half eaten by wild monkeys.
Thank You
>>>How can MS be not worried about Java, but worried about WebSphere, when WebSphere is a Java AppServer????
Because Java is a language by itself has no revenue potential. A language is just a language — companies don’t make money on C or C++ by itself (especially when they are ISO standards). IBM and BEA owns 32%+ EACH of the java appserver market. Even Oracle has a bigger market share than SUN in the java appserver market.
Damn thats harsh, I don’t like aol but I don’t want to see case turn up dead (unemployed sure, but not dead).
🙂
My reasoning goes like this:
AOL is horrible. I don’t think anyone will deny that. But, there are VERY significant difference between AOL and M$. AOL does not go out of it’s way to crush other ISPs. AOL also supports mozilla (for their own benefit,obviously, but still). And most important – you have a choice regarding AOL, both as a consumer and as an IT worker.
This is NOT the case with M$. A person can not escape M$. No matter where you go – there is M$. MSNBC, XBox, Windows, computer peripherals, misc software. But their worse offense, is what they have done to the computer industry in general. They have saturated the marked with idiot users and drone MCSEs. Every where you go you run into m$ zombies. These people dont even know that there (used to be) is a choice between CRAP and QUALITY. Sure, quality is expensive, but m$ has managed to remove that CHOICE from the market place.
There would be nothing wrong with m$ owning a large portion of the market if they would acknowlege the importance of competition. They want to own the whole market. Microsoft, through it’s tacktics hase become more powerfull than the US government. The fucking united states government – the gov. that has the power to crush COUNTRIES, cant deal witha CORPORATE ENTITY!.
Perhaps m$ is a not the problem, perhaps m$ is just the simptom of the problem *cough*us gov*cough*…
what ever
fuck it all
might as well accept the fact that m$ will be running the country within 10 years….
AOL had an indirect way to crush other ISP’s.
From 1995-1999, AOL inflated their profits by hundreds of millions of dollars by playing around with “deferred membership acquisition costs”. Which in turn gave AOL a chance to do a quick IPO and essentially outspent other ISP competitors till those ISP competitors run out of money.
http://www.thestreet.com/comment/siliconstreet/940174.html
At least Microsoft only screwed the customers. AOL screwed customers and ordinary shareholders.
Having witnessed a massive .NET hype assault by Microsoft’s marketing drones at the ACM’s SIGCSE conference a couple of months ago, I find it amusing that MS is accusing other companies of too much hype.
WebSphere is extremely dangerous. It runs on an x-series box(pentium 3 PC) all the way up to S390 servers. The programs are different to match the unique abilities of the harware at each point, but they are designed to run and administer side-by-side and move up or down as needed! They already have Java wrapped up very well and are working a deal for .net. The Legacy database connectivity is legendary. (I have RPG III apps that create my webpages from AS400 database for my website! Lame, Yes, but I’ve only been programming RPG for 6 months–I haven’t gotten to websphere yet!) The target crowd is not us 20-30 somethings, but our 40-50 something bosses. Those guys don’t like change and they call the shots. They don’t like relearning their jobs every 3 years…if this allows them to do cool stuff on the web “without” rewriting 20+ years of code which do you thing they’ll choose?
Also this has the danger of making .net just another server “check-Box” item. Removing the mindshare (and Profit control from upgrades) from big MS!
I disagree, I think its harder to escape aol then ms (they provide half the country’s cable, a ton of channels (wb, cartoon network, all the cnn’s, boomerang, tbs, tnt, etc.) not to mention movies, comics and of course isp). They’re providing content and distribution (which is as much of a monopoly as ms, its also why studios can’t own theaters anymore, but since they own everything but theaters its “legal”). But the reason I refuse to use aol (or any of its “companies”) is because when the “merger” of it and time warner went through they closed all the warner bros. stores, not because they were losing money but because they weren’t making enough money (their profit margins were damn good for retail, but nothing compared to the huge profit they make off sub-standard internet service). Thousands of people out of a job, because aol was too stupid to realize different markets have different profit margins. Thats part of the reason they’re slowly dying (newest time has a great article about the demise of their parent company), and it saddens me there taking so many established corporate entities with them (along with tens of thousands of jobs). If they were still just a shitty isp I’d never mention the bastards, but what they’re doing now is insane.
Websphere is really expensive though – like most large Application Servers (BEA, iPlanet etc.).
I believe it’s something like $40,000 per CPU.
At that price the hardware cost becomes almost irrelevant so the cost advantage of PCs is no longer important, reliability however is so Sun, IBM etc get the sale.
Makes Macs look positively cheap…
Job loss is just a fact of life in a corporation driven economy. I don’t like it, but people are disposable. This has been proven time an time again.
As for escaping AOL, I still have to disagree with you. I dont use them as an ISP. I don’t use them for dialup. I don’t go to see big production movies. Shit, I don’t even read Time Mag. Although this might seems live a very sheltered existance, it’s not. There are tons of excelent indie films being made all the time. My music tastes are such that I usualy get the music directly for the artist at the clubs and I get most of my information from the Internet or local indie media. This doesn’t come without it’s price though. I live in Chicago which makes all these things possible, at the price of having to live a big city
Try escaping microsoft – ESPECIALY if you live^H^H^H^Hwork in the IT industry.
Most of the indie films and indie music are financed by big media companies, including AOL Time Warner. You get your news from Osnews.com, but a lot of the information on this site comes from CNET, ZDNET, Associated Press, CNN,…
I agree job loss is a reality, but job loss at stupidity (no one but aol is dumb enough to look profits in the mouth, especially profits that exceed competitors in a given market). Your right though if you work in it (or the computer industry at all) ms is nearly impossible to escape, but to your average person aol is harder to avoid (until my brother bought my old laptop he never owned a single microsoft product). Of course I’m just talking about the US, I have no idea how intrusive (best term I can think of) aol is in the rest of the world.