This is excellent news for the platform. Windows may have more commercial applications available, but with Open Source software gaining momentum this will no soon be a non-issue. Congratulations!
That is, the FinkCommander GUI equivalent for DarwinPorts: it would be a very good thing for most users. Currently, Fink appears to be more complete and usable (even if things such as new, up-to-date KDE and GNOME binaries are quite delayed indeed).
Hopefully, they’ll also finally bundle DarwinPorts with OS X 10.4 Tiger (as was envisaged with 10.3 Panther, originally)…
Every time I read a thread on Apple’s market share, people always declared doom and gloom…that developers are going to leave, etc.
But the worst that will ever likely happen is that linux will move ahead (in market share), mac developers will realize they can develop for Linux first, and still catch Mac users anyways!
Then Mac becomes more like a premium Linux/unix user experience….not much different than now anyways! And so, the health of the Mac, and Apple, live on.
(not even to mention that they can switch to intel-type hardware if they ever had to)
I *really* wish I could run a post ice-age version of KDE on my Mac All I wanna do is use a recent version of Quanta Plus without having to reboot my PowerBook into Linux. But unfortunately, Fink and DarwinPorts only come with KDE 3.1.x! It’s like a bad joke — like shipping with Windows 95 or something. Does anyone know when a usable version of KDE will run on top of OS X ?
Uhm… why would you WANT to run KDE on top of OS X? Why couldn’t you just use Quanta, or whatever KDE App you need to use…. Or if you need all of KDE that badly, why don’t you just use KDE on linux?
Not to be snide, but if you want a later version of KDE, help out porting and packaging it. The KDE of Fink and DarwinPorts is done by one man. Its a lot of work!
where can I get some of what you are smoking ?? At 2000 ports it seem there is a lot of catchup work to be done till there the options offered by FreeBSD’s ports.
Another thing which makes DarwinPorts less usable than Fink, for the moment, is the fact that there don’t seem to be any convenience packages such as the Fink “bundle-gnome” and “bundle-kde(-ssl)”, etc. – thus making it more difficult to install these desktop environments in one step. That’s a pity, because DP seems to already have GNOME 2.8 (while Fink is still at 2.4, and it doesn’t even work, at least for some people).
BTW, why would one want to run GNOME and KDE on OS X? Maybe, first of all, because it is interesting to experiment with other environments, and so on (and running them on Linux in VPC is painfully slow!).
The best thing will, anyway, be the native Qt/Mac KDE, currently available at http://kde.opendarwin.org – which finally seems to be in the process of being upgraded to the most recent release…
I’m the guy who said I wanted to run Quanta and KDE on OS X. Actually, I don’t care about the KDE desktop environment, I just want to run a modern version of Quanta which requires KDE libraries. Any tips on the best way to achieve this?
This is excellent news for the platform. Windows may have more commercial applications available, but with Open Source software gaining momentum this will no soon be a non-issue. Congratulations!
But isn’t it about time we have a “port upgrade” command?
That is, the FinkCommander GUI equivalent for DarwinPorts: it would be a very good thing for most users. Currently, Fink appears to be more complete and usable (even if things such as new, up-to-date KDE and GNOME binaries are quite delayed indeed).
Hopefully, they’ll also finally bundle DarwinPorts with OS X 10.4 Tiger (as was envisaged with 10.3 Panther, originally)…
Every time I read a thread on Apple’s market share, people always declared doom and gloom…that developers are going to leave, etc.
But the worst that will ever likely happen is that linux will move ahead (in market share), mac developers will realize they can develop for Linux first, and still catch Mac users anyways!
Then Mac becomes more like a premium Linux/unix user experience….not much different than now anyways! And so, the health of the Mac, and Apple, live on.
(not even to mention that they can switch to intel-type hardware if they ever had to)
I *really* wish I could run a post ice-age version of KDE on my Mac All I wanna do is use a recent version of Quanta Plus without having to reboot my PowerBook into Linux. But unfortunately, Fink and DarwinPorts only come with KDE 3.1.x! It’s like a bad joke — like shipping with Windows 95 or something. Does anyone know when a usable version of KDE will run on top of OS X ?
Uhm… why would you WANT to run KDE on top of OS X? Why couldn’t you just use Quanta, or whatever KDE App you need to use…. Or if you need all of KDE that badly, why don’t you just use KDE on linux?
Not to be snide, but if you want a later version of KDE, help out porting and packaging it. The KDE of Fink and DarwinPorts is done by one man. Its a lot of work!
Hahahaha…..
where can I get some of what you are smoking ?? At 2000 ports it seem there is a lot of catchup work to be done till there the options offered by FreeBSD’s ports.
Another thing which makes DarwinPorts less usable than Fink, for the moment, is the fact that there don’t seem to be any convenience packages such as the Fink “bundle-gnome” and “bundle-kde(-ssl)”, etc. – thus making it more difficult to install these desktop environments in one step. That’s a pity, because DP seems to already have GNOME 2.8 (while Fink is still at 2.4, and it doesn’t even work, at least for some people).
BTW, why would one want to run GNOME and KDE on OS X? Maybe, first of all, because it is interesting to experiment with other environments, and so on (and running them on Linux in VPC is painfully slow!).
The best thing will, anyway, be the native Qt/Mac KDE, currently available at http://kde.opendarwin.org – which finally seems to be in the process of being upgraded to the most recent release…
I’m the guy who said I wanted to run Quanta and KDE on OS X. Actually, I don’t care about the KDE desktop environment, I just want to run a modern version of Quanta which requires KDE libraries. Any tips on the best way to achieve this?