In need of a modern graphing calculator application for its Mac OS X distributions, Apple stopped coding and went shopping overseas.
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If I remember correctly, there was “Graphic Calculator” application before. And that one was made first in a collaboration with Apple and Frame Technology Corp. and then was owned by Pacific Tech. A very smart graphic calculator!
It’ll be nice to see Graphic Calculator return to Mac OS X
Could they have used Carbon to port the old one?
“Could they have used Carbon to port the old one?”
Yes, but best they move away from carbon for smaller apps like that.
Wasn’t the old one (classic application) called “Algebra Graph”?
According to reports this is a great application for students to show to their grandparents and tell them that the money they invested in the new PowerBook is well spent, because the computer really helps to get some serious work done (and certainly NOT just to browse all sorts of strange sites all day or play emulated SNES games during lectures).
The little calculator we have now on OSX has (limited) graphic function. Just go to Calculator/Contents/PlugIns and copy the folder Graphing-2D.calcview in Calculator/Contents/Resources. You’ll have a new entry in the Calculator presentation menu (hope it’s the name, I have it in French): Graphing. Have fun.
What’s a graphing calculator?
In OS 9, and bellow, the graphing calculator was more of a Demo app. You could do 2D graphs only, and there was a limitation of 2, or 3 equations at a time. For more functionality you needed to buy the full version. The people who made the graphing calculator said plainly on their website that they planned to not further develop the mac version of the graphing calculator (they were not going to port the app)
I am glad that I will have a graphing calculator again:)
Are you serious?
If so: a graphing calculator not only features the usual calculator functions; it also plots the graph of various functions: polynomial, trigonometric, exponential, logarithmic.
For example: if I feed it the equation y=x^2+4*x, a graphing calculator will draw the corresponding parabola.
Good graphing calculators allow you to look at the graph in all sorts of ways, to find x- and y-intercepts, maxima and minima of the function, &c. They can also plot tables of data, and fit functions to curves using least-squares methods.
http://education.ti.com/educationportal/index.jsp?DCMP=TIHomeTracki…
The really fancy ones can be interfaced to data-collection equipment such as range finders and chemical detectors, and then you can use the data collected to plot graphs of real-world phenomena and (again) do some curve-fitting.
http://education.ti.com/us/product/tech/datacollection/features/fea…
Personal note: Texas Instruments has spent wads of money convincing math teachers that they should be doing this (data collection) instead of teaching actual mathematics. They advertise heavily in education journals. When I was a high school teacher (95-97) I attended one such seminar thanks to a grant from the federal government. Attending such seminars is an easy way to build up credits for re-certification, so teachers flock to such things.
A graphing calculator is a calculator that is capable of displaying graphs. You can normally buy these from shops or you could use software that provides similar functionality (e.g. http://www.coolmath.com/graphit/).
Why the hell is apple wasting development resources on a niche product? There are only three groups of people that would find this appealing: scientists, mathematicians, and students. Scientists and mathematicians will probably have access to more powerful tools (such as Mathematica). Students may get some use out it, but frankly most classes use TI-8x calculators or something similar. This adds only marginal value and squashes yet another ISV product category for MacOSX. More importantly, even though Longhorn it still a long ways off, it seems to me Apple should be focusing all of their efforts to ensure that OSX matches, if not beats, Longhorn in every dimension possible by the time it finally ships. All in all, this seems like a waste. 😐
“Why the hell is apple wasting development resources on a niche product? ”
…obviously you did not waste anytime in reading the actual article.
I’ve used Curvus before and it is really excellent and easy to use software.
I did read the article. All it says is that Apple purchased Curvus and is going to bundle it into OSX. That’s what doesn’t make sense: If they do in fact bundle it with Panther, then the cost of maintaining that application with have to be amortized in the cost of the operating system. The problem with that is that by doing so they’ll likely end up with a marginal return on their investment since graphing calculators have limited appeal and are probably not going to dramatically increase the attractiveness of the Mac for the majority of their potential customers. They’ll be far better off if they make this available as a separate product for purchase–that way it will be easier to see if the product is paying for itself and justifying Apple’s dev resources. If they’re going to bundle something into OSX, it makes more sense that it be something that has broad appeal (e.g., >50% of there user base). Is that more clear?
You see, although you have a point about another ISV market squashed, there are many who could use the product. Buying a product takes a lot less time than developing it in house. I believe that Apple develops MacOS X just to sell hardware. It is a hole for money, and if it sells more hardware, that’s OK for Apple. The purchase of this software does not put Apple behind in the “race” against Longhorn.
Yes, I was serious, and thanks for the great answer.
now there is a reason to spend $129 to get an os update!
hey, its got a graphing calculator!
meanwhile ms gives a new calculator away free (does science, math, and conversions):
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=32b0d059-b…
or get stand alone 2d/3d graphing model free to download:
http://www.graphcalc.com/
you can use em free online:
http://gcalc.net/ (can be downloaded and run locally as well)
amazing!
Having this as a part of the tiger installation will be another incentive for schools to upgrade.
county Z has 4,000 macs in whole school district
lets spend what, $69 for each upgrade? is that what edu pays for os x these days?
4000 x 69 = $276,000 for a free calculator!
what a steal!
if you dont have the budget for the full os upgrade, maybe like ichat av for jaguar 10.2 users, they will sell the graphing calculator for as little as $30:
http://www.apple.com/ichat/
” iChat AV is included with Mac OS X Panther. The latest version of iChat AV is available from Software Update.
Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar For Jaguar users, iChat AV 2.0 is available from the Apple Store for $29.95.”
$30 to get functionality that has been free in windows for 9 years. simply amazing.
They’re going to be including a better calculator than what’s currently in OS X. There is NO downside to this for the users (that I can think of). Somehow, TruthSeeker tries to put negative spin on it. How nobel of him.
“Sorry, but Windows has NOT bundled AIM, the first worldwide IM. It has only the third, MSN. :-D”
ms has shipped netmeeting in windows since windows 95
it started with voice chat, shared apps, shared workspace/whiteboard, shared clipboard, and file transfers.
netmeeting 2 in in 1996 added video to the mix…i was off on that…just 8 years ago.
in october 2001 ms gave windows messenger voice and video chat capabilities as well…coupla years before ichat av.
more importantly, netmeeting works to this day on os’s going all the way back to windows 95 and nt 4. no need to pay for upgrades or stand alone video and voice chat apps to get the functionality.
so forget about the AIM point. its not relevant.
“They’re going to be including a better calculator than what’s currently in OS X. There is NO downside to this for the users (that I can think of).”
perfectly valid point. thank you.
but to think people would pay $129 (os upgrade) to get something they can freely get elsewhere is just silly.
it is just as silly to think that academia will buy an os upgrade at its reduced price to get this feature.
if people need graphing calculators they either buy them or do a simple web search and see dozens and dozens listed for free downloads or use them for free on the web.
this is just absurd. kafka reading must be going on around here or something.
and my contention remains:
recall itools turning into .mac
recall iapps turning into ilife
recall appleworks not being included on the most expensive macs sold
recall ichat av being a paid upgrade
think about all that and it would not surprise me one bit to see apple either selling this app or charging for it later like they so frequently do.
lets get back into the theatre of the real.
Of course, some people (actually just one person) think that Curvus Pro X is the ONLY new feature of Tiger.
who ever said that tiger would have only one new feature?
why are you harping on this point?
only a nimrod would think that a paid os upgrade had only one new feature.
the point remains that people will not get excited by a graphing calculator to the point that it will influence a decision to spend $129. its a triviality.
hell all of os x and all of its upgrades and all of its iapps and all of apples subsequent reneging on free stuff has only gotten 50% of mac users to move to os x.
a graphing calculator aint gonna help.
get real.
Same destiny for Pixelshox
(http://www.pol-online.net/pixelshox_technology/)
on which the new Quartz Composer is based.
I didn’t read the article, I’ll admit. I’d hope that no one is saying that now that Tiger will have a graphing calculator that it’ll be THE os to have for students/profs/etc.. That’d be ridiculous.
However, it’s still a nice little feature. I’m 1 class shy of having my math minor, and I’ve done all my courses so far using a Casio scientific calculator that I got while in high school. No graphing on this puppy, but god knows I could have used some graphing for all my Calculus courses. Something like this would have been nice.
Truthseeker: Of course no one will switch to apple because of this one feature, don’t be an ass.
“county Z has 4,000 macs in whole school district
lets spend what, $69 for each upgrade? is that what edu pays for os x these days? ”
They are probably smarter than you and have Maintenance on their OS X installations.
No graphing on this puppy, but god knows I could have used some graphing for all my Calculus courses. Something like this would have been nice.
Doesn’t your university have Maple or Mathematica in its public labs? If not, they should, and if you’re a math minor you should consider getting it on your computer. The student edition of each is only $130 or so, not much more than a graphing calculator, while its features are head and shoulders above. I use Maple, because that’s what my university uses, but Mathematica has a nice Aqua interface. Maple’s developers are doing some pretty sad GUI development these days.
“They are probably smarter than you and have Maintenance on their OS X installations.”
edu is the main bastion that has not even migrated to os x. edu is still, 4 years later, overwhelmingly running the classic mac os.
so no, they dont have maintenance on os x. they have a huge investment in the classic os and moving to x costs a fortune and breaks more stuff than anyone with tight budgets cares to imagine.
What’s a graphing calculator?>>
Dood, don’t feel bad.
Given that I solved and graphed quadratic equations(x = -b+&- square root of b squared – 4ac divided by 2a) for 2 years of my HS math career, it wasn’t until 2000 (a decade later) that I actually found out they have a real world use* other than giving High Schoolers busy work.
It’s a nice feature and Apple picked a nice program, but it’s a feature that average person isn’t going to use. But, it’s cool its there.
*A business major told me they’re used to find cost effectiveness and the point of diminishing returns.
What is wrong with some of you? Apple is including yet another feature into an upcoming version of OS X, why is there something wrong with that? It seems like to some of you adding features has become a bad thing.
Anonymous (IP: —.chvlva.adelphia.net) is a troll and one should just ignore him, like most of us here do (really easy to do when all the posts are about the same thing, “I hate mac here’s why you should too”).
Anyway, the new graphing calculator looks pretty sweet. I can’t wait to hear more new features that were not noted at Job’s keynote.
written like a true troll. a true hater of anyone that disagrees with you or in anyway takes exception with apple.
Anyway, i too think the new graphing calculator looks pretty sweet. I can’t wait to hear about more new features that were not noted at Job’s keynote.
When I get a new version of OS X, I like to see little improvements to *everything*.
Some of those improvements are about style. Style is one of the reasons Mac OS X ships with a Chess program. Probably not a large fraction of OS X users play chess, but that isn’t the point.
Apple like to try to influence culture. A decent graphing calculator is a tiny little nudge about culture. And maybe some people will even take the hint. 🙂
ms has shipped netmeeting in windows since windows 95
WRONG….. MS disn’t ship netmeeting with 95.
netmeeting 2 in in 1996 added video to the mix…i was off on that…just 8 years ago.
Netmeeting was still in 1.0 Beta in 1996 infact beta 2 shipped July-August of 1996.
Netmeeting 2.0 was released in 1997.
BTW CU-SeeMe which predates netmeeting by 3 years was first on the macintosh.
I am tired. Suicide is better than going on using Macs.
Why did this get modded down?
“”WRONG….. MS disn’t ship netmeeting with 95.”
yes they did, it was released in may 1996. windows 95 was released august of 1995. all subsequent versions of windows 95 (osr2), before windows 98 was released, included netmeeting. quit quibbling. before osr2 it was a free download.
“Netmeeting was still in 1.0 Beta in 1996 infact beta 2 shipped July-August of 1996.”
netmeeting 2 beta was a free download in late 1996:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1996/Dec96/BeTwoPr.asp
12-09-96 “NetMeeting 2.0 is now the first real-time communications client for the Internet to integrate standards-based audio, data and video conferencing capabilities, making it the most complete and easy-to-use Internet communication tool for end users and organizations”
“BTW CU-SeeMe which predates netmeeting by 3 years was first on the macintosh.”
we are not discussing every vendor under the sun. we were comparing features that apple added to their os a long time after ms had already incorporated them. besides, cuseeme was a retail product after a certain point and therefore cost something to use. having to pay for solutions on the mac when free options are available on windows is pretty common though.”
netmeeting 2 beta was a free download in late 1996:
Oh so now we are counting beta quality software as release ready,….. typical BS from Our troll friend.
By that rational Tiger was released months ago.
we are not discussing every vendor under the sun. we were comparing features that apple added to their os a long time after ms had already incorporated them.
Oh but it is ok to count ZoneAlarm and a myriad of other third party software on XP in discussion to show equal functionality to OS X. How about Roxio easy CD creator in Xp discussions. The typical double standard again.
“By that rational Tiger was released months ago”
tiger is not available for free download to the general public. compare that to windows xp pro 64 bit. yes anyone can download it and run it fully functional on a 64 bit extended cpu today. big difference.
so yes i will claim beta software for ms. i used netmeeting when beta. it worked fine. it was free. it added value to my use of the computer, beta or not. is apple giving you a free beta of the graphing calculator?
but then again os x was a public beta for 2 yrs after its release to the public but in its case apple charged for it yet didnt even make it the default os. charged for it repeatedly as they moved it through its beta stages. the mac faithful paid for its development as apple needed the funding they were so poor off at the time.
“Oh but it is ok to count ZoneAlarm and a myriad of other third party software on XP in discussion to show equal functionality to OS X.”
nope. windows xp has a firewall just like os x. but yes it just so happens you can get a better one free. cuseeme has been a for pay app for the majority of its production life. if you want to add for pay apps to the apple side to compare to free ms offerings, feel free. can you get a free firewall that is better than the one that is in os x? no.
“How about Roxio easy CD creator in Xp discussions. The typical double standard again.”
since you, like many mac lovers, fail to remember, ms makes an operating system and various other products. they do not make computers. apple makes the whole widget and has to include a dvd player and cd burner etc.
if you buy a pc with a cd burner you get cd mastering software. if you get a dvd burner you likewise get software for it. ms has no need to make it a part of the os as the software is only included when it is needed on a pc that has specific functionality. component makers and whole pc makers supply much of the software…it does not all come from ms. againg that choice issue. part of buying a pc is picking the maker based on the components they use and the software they bundle for free. compare that to apple adding idvd to macs that cant even use it.
so no we wont compare xp to a mac. we can compare xp to os x. we can compare a pc with xp versus a mac. in the case of a comparison of a full pc versus a mac, yes we will include bundled software as it is part of the full widget.
can you understand that now?
so yes i will claim beta software for ms. i used netmeeting when beta. it worked fine. it was free. it added value to my use of the computer, beta or not. is apple giving you a free beta of the graphing calculator?
I thought you were a mac user till 2001. Hmmmm…… caught you lying again.
but then again os x was a public beta for 2 yrs after its release to the public but in its case apple charged for it yet didnt even make it the default os. charged for it repeatedly as they moved it through its beta stages. the mac faithful paid for its development as apple needed the funding they were so poor off at the time.
I would say windows was beta till windows 2000 and MS charged for repeateddly. OS X was more stable, when you claim it was beta, that windows 95 -2000. Even now OS X is more stable and safer than XP. That is why Ms had to spend billions to get SP2 out to get it to release quality and even then XP is still beta quality for the number of exploits that crop up every day.
The whole world is paying to beta test Microsoft software. Igues they are tired now, firefox is gaining popularity and ie is losing market share.
since you, like many mac lovers, fail to remember, ms makes an operating system and various other products. they do not make computers. apple makes the whole widget and has to include a dvd player and cd burner etc.
That is why they can give free stuff, because software overhead is much much smaller, infact negligible compared to hardware. And every where Ms is doing hardware they are losing money, example Xbox. Get it!!!!
compare that to apple adding idvd to macs that cant even use it.
For the last time enough of your stupid childish logic. IDVD is not a dvd burning tool alone. You can always save your iDvd project and burn it later or on another computer or on an external burner.
BTW OS X always comes with Xcode, apples one and only full blown development environment on which you can develop every thing for OS X. Xp comes with nothing. Where can you download the entire set of tools to develop for everything on windows for free?
Don’t link me to trial, demo, and visual basic and .Net. I want the whole development suite for everything windows. Like apple provides for free.
you resort to name calling
“I thought you were a mac user till 2001. Hmmmm…… caught you lying again.”
find on osnews where i said i was a mac user up until 2001. your memory is shot or you intentionally lie. if you go look at the threads you will see i owned a mac until late 2003 and used mac os x on my own machines up until os 10.2.8. im not writing about apple from some pie in the sky. i have long time experience on the platform. back in the days of windows 95 and the early netmeeting i was certainly much more of a mac user. that would not prevent me from using netmeeting on a pc would it?
“I would say windows was beta till windows 2000 and MS charged for repeateddly. OS X was more stable, when you claim it was beta, that windows 95 -2000. Even now OS X is more stable and safer than XP. That is why Ms had to spend billions to get SP2 out to get it to release quality and even then XP is still beta quality for the number of exploits that crop up every day.
The whole world is paying to beta test Microsoft software. Igues they are tired now, firefox is gaining popularity and ie is losing market share.”
that is hogwash. no expert would argue that windows xp is beta software. nor was windows 2000. they were default oses. i would agree that older windows was crap. mac os had windows beat on almost all scores.
fact: apple charged for mac os x beta release, they then released many updates over 18 month period yet still did not make it the default os. if it cant be the default os, it aint ready for prime time. it was beta. it shipped with terrible driver support. virtually no scsi support. it had support for less than 100 printers when thousands of models have been made in recent years and are owned by potential os x users.
oh yes im sure ms is re-writing their biz plan because ie now only has 94% market share. get real.
“That is why they can give free stuff, because software overhead is much much smaller, infact negligible compared to hardware.”
if software is so cheap why does apple charge so much for it?
annual updates to the os aint free.
itools aint free no more.
iapps aint free no more.
appleworks aint free on a $3000 mac tower.
ichat av aint free.
will the graphing calculator be free.
apple nickle and dimes its customers to death.
“BTW OS X always comes with Xcode, apples one and only full blown development environment on which you can develop every thing for OS X. Xp comes with nothing. Where can you download the entire set of tools to develop for everything on windows for free?
Don’t link me to trial, demo, and visual basic and .Net. I want the whole development suite for everything windows. Like apple provides for free.”
yes a full blown ide is one thing apple provides free to its clients. they have to as virtually no one codes for them. the best they can no hope for is that people port windows games and linux and unix freeware.
if you ask for something and then point out every way to disqualify me like “Don’t link me to trial, demo, and visual basic and .Net. I want the whole development suite for everything windows. Like apple provides for free.” then you are a troll just looking play games.
let me try that: show me a mac server that runs on 4, 8, 16, 32, or 64 cpus.
or, show me a headless g5 mac tower that costs less than $800.
truth is, if you want to develop on windows, you can get all the tools you want for free, more training is available, more books and videos are available, more schools teach using windows, more firms require the skillset, ms provides and ide (not free) that by most experts is considered to be the best hands down. ms has gigantic websites filled with tons of free downloads, code bases, samples, training, etc.
and when you develop software on windows you stand to make a much better living as you have a bit bigger user base to sell to.
back in the days of windows 95 and the early netmeeting i was certainly much more of a mac user. that would not prevent me from using netmeeting on a pc would it?
That is hard to beleive. You were never a Mac user. You seem to know more about windows than MacOS. You would know that the MacOS prior to X had a graphing calculator, but you didn’t.
that is hogwash. no expert would argue that windows xp is beta software. nor was windows 2000. they were default oses. i would agree that older windows was crap. mac os had windows beat on almost all scores.
I would argue that windows XP is Beta software and I am an expert in Oses. No prodcution Os should have some new virus or exploit every other day, so much so that the department of homeland security releases notices to stop using components of it. Almost every analyst and security expert claims XP/Windows won’t be secure till 2010.
fact: apple charged for mac os x beta release, they then released many updates over 18 month period yet still did not make it the default os. if it cant be the default os, it aint ready for prime time. it was beta. it shipped with terrible driver support. virtually no scsi support. it had support for less than 100 printers when thousands of models have been made in recent years and are owned by potential os x users.
FACT: Apple preinstalled Macs with both 9.2 and X in the early stages. My friend didn’t even know he had X till I made his mac boot from it. Apple gave you 2 Oses for the price of one. That isn’t charging. What’s the point of having SCSI support if no Macs at the time were using SCSI devices.
Apple changed the entire architecture of thier Operating System in 3 years and has 50% installed base. Let’s see Longhorn the much touted next release by your favortite MS is being stripped one feature at a time to be able to release it. It too MS 6 years to transition to a new architecture and MS is bigger and has a lot more Billion dollars than Apple. They only do software. But from windows 95 – Xp too.
Actually 2000 was supposed to have had better support for games and home user perpehrals and plug and play. It didn’t. So I would say 2000 was beta software for XP. A lot of old windows games still don’t run on XP, I know a lot of guys using 98 for gaming. So isn’t XP still beta by your definiton.
if software is so cheap why does apple charge so much for it?
There you go letting your ignorance flash out in the public. Software isn’t cheap it’s over head is less than hardware. As a company you have to supplant revenue from a low overhead high profit margin product to a units that have lower margin. For example, MS using windows and office revenue to cover losses for xbox, msn and other divisons. Intel using volumes x86 sales to supplant losses with itanium.
annual updates to the os aint free.
What the crap does this mean? Apple does new software releases on an yearly basis. However they are slowing thier release cycle, note there is no Apple OS release for 2004.
Microsoft of the other hand forces thier corporate customers to sign a Software Assurance program to pay and annual fee regardless of any updates being release. So SP2 was actually not free for people in the SA program, it is an contractual upgrade.
itools aint free no more.
iapps aint free no more.
appleworks aint free on a $3000 mac tower.
ichat av aint free.
will the graphing calculator be free.
apple nickle and dimes its customers to death.
We are happy to pay for it and see a great innovative company succeed. The graphing calculator is a part of tiger and will be free.
yes a full blown ide is one thing apple provides free to its clients. they have to as virtually no one codes for them. the best they can no hope for is that people port windows games and linux and unix freeware.
Bullshit. Apple has a thriving developer base and ISV market. Sorry but your foolish opinions that “no one codes” for them. A lot of the games are now being simulanteously developed for MacOS and Windows.
let me try that: show me a mac server that runs on 4, 8, 16, 32, or 64 cpus.
Sure go to top500.org and look at the Virginatech cluster that has 2200 cpus and runs OS X.
truth is, if you want to develop on windows, you can get all the tools you want for free, more training is available, more books and videos are available, more schools teach using windows, more firms require the skillset, ms provides and ide (not free) that by most experts is considered to be the best hands down. ms has gigantic websites filled with tons of free downloads, code bases, samples, training, etc.
Sorry, most of the real developement tools for windows are not free visual studio is not free. Only things that are free are new technologies that won’t gain market share if Ms charges for them.
Schools don’t teach windows, atleast not many Engineering and Computer Science schools teach windows programming. Many are now standardizing on Java. My nieces elementary school uses all iMacs/eMacs with OS X.
ms has gigantic websites filled with tons of free downloads, code bases, samples, training, etc.
They better do. Linux, Apples and Java are threatening thier market for the first time and they need to do something to keep thier monopoly. But IE is losing out to Mozilla variants everyday.
you say it so it must not be true
“IDVD is not a dvd burning tool alone. You can always save your iDvd project and burn it later or on another computer or on an external burner.”
as a matter of fact idvd will not even install on some macs unless they have superdrives installed internally. can you hack it, sometimes. good ole apple…hack your free software to get it to work!
http://www.firewiredirect.com/firewire/products/dvd.shtml
“Software: iDVD will not operate with any external DVD-R/RW currently available – because Apple supports only internal devices for use with this application. We suggest Studio Pro from Apple, and found the drive to work well with all other known DVD burning and authoring programs other than iDVD.”
http://www.dvshop.ca/burners/dvdburn.html
“This external drive will NOT work with iDVD on the Mac. For iTunes and Disc Burner support on the Mac, you need to be running OS X 10.2.8 or later. You cannot play movie DVDs on this drive on your Mac, so don’t expect to. The drive is compatible with Apple’s DVD Studio Pro.”
also appears external dvd drives even get screwed by apple for basic dvd playback. amazing.
http://discussions.info.apple.com/[email protected]@.689af0…
go on apples discussion forums and read all about mac users that have ilife, but dont have superdrives and idvd isnt even installed. wont work with external drives etc. hack about and you can sometimes get it working. then apple releases update and it dont work for those that were lucky enough to get it hacked at all:
“I know you can’t get iDVD to work without an external burner without a hack.”
http://discussions.info.apple.com/[email protected]@.689b11…
“I have an iBook that i bought back in march. it does not have an internal dvd burner so i recently bought an external phantom dvd burner. i have iMovie with clips downloaded from my camcorder… the next step is to get those files onto a DVD that i can play in my DVD player with my TV… i have no idea what to do next! apparently i don’t have iDVD on my computer. any ideas?”
” If you don’t have an internal superdrive, you will not have iDVD.
Furthermore, iDVD will officially not work with ext. burners”
if you such a noob that you dont know or such a liar we know better at least: we recall that owc made a piece of software idvd enabler that allowed you to use it with external drives but apple made them pull it:
http://eshop.macsales.com/NewsRoom/Framework.cfm?page=PR/DVD_enable…
“Other World Computing Responds to Apple Computer Request by Dropping DVD Enabler Software and iDVD Support from its External FireWire DVD-R/RW Hard Drives”
““Although we had received strong support from our customers for the DVD Enabler software and our iDVD support, we value our long-standing relationship with Apple Computer,” said Larry O’Connor, president of OWC. “We have, therefore, agreed to honor Apple’s request and have halted all sales and marketing of DVD Enabler and all support of Apple’s iDVD.””
now that is the real apple for you!
raptor if you keep bringing out this bogus info, we will keep exposing it. your statements dont make things real. you have been disproven yet again by many factual pieces of information backed up by many supporting links. google it all you like and read more!
I can’t speak for all edu, but at my university we’ve switched over to OSX. We have new machines, too.
Here in the math department we’ve banished Windows from public labs; only Linux-based x86 HW and OSX stuff.
iDVD can be made to work with external drives.
“I’ve got iDVD to work through using HPfurz.sit.hqx (more info here: The Firmware Page: iDVD can save to .dmg & external dvd-r!) and Finder can burn DVDs to it just fine as well.”
http://forum.firmware-flash.com/viewtopic.php?t=23370
Video Help – how to you get idvd to write to an external dvd-rw http://www.macforumz.com/Video-Help-idvd-write-external-dvd-rw-writ…
I would rather have the software and hack it to work than not have it at all.
Are we done here or do you need to be told you are wrong again and again…..?
It came preloaded with my machine, yet I only have a “combo drive”. Shows your ignorance there spud
And No, I can not burn dvds, but I can still use iDVD for projects (move the files over to another machine and burn) or just do the methods noted above.
Just because you got lucky and iDvd works on your machine does not mean that is the case for everyone. This is a documented issue on Apple’s website.
Apple forces people to buy Super Drives built in to their Macs if they want to use iDvd.
Your weak personal claim does not remove hundreds of websites information that contradict you. Even Apple contradicts you.
It is just another way that Apple controls us.
“iDVD can be made to work with external drives.
“I’ve got iDVD to work through using HPfurz.sit.hqx (more info here: The Firmware Page: iDVD can save to .dmg & external dvd-r!) and Finder can burn DVDs to it just fine as well.”
http://forum.firmware-flash.com/viewtopic.php?t=23370
Video Help – how to you get idvd to write to an external dvd-rw http://www.macforumz.com/Video-Help-idvd-write-external-dvd-rw-writ…..
I would rather have the software and hack it to work than not have it at all.
Are we done here or do you need to be told you are wrong again and again…..?”
i mentioned above that it can be hacked. that isn’t the point.
the point is that it is incredible that some mac users have a hard time installing software that apple gives them free. for those that manage to get it installed, they have to hack the software to make it work with external drives. vendors that provide solutions that allow the use of external drives get cease and desist notices from apple.
so on one hand if you are savvy enough to hack it you might get lucky and have it work. on the other hand, apple might give a you a dmca warning.
but that is just peachy that an apple programmer left a tool that they use in the latest release of idvd. earlier versions of idvd dont have the hack easter egg included at all.
the funniest bit of all though is reading through the seven pages of posts at http://forum.firmware-flash.com/viewtopic.php?t=23370 and listening to how user friendly os x is. the good ole days of mac having a superior product are truly long gone.
the point is that it is incredible that some mac users have a hard time installing software that apple gives them free. for those that manage to get it installed, they have to hack the software to make it work with external drives. vendors that provide solutions that allow the use of external drives get cease and desist notices from apple.
Providing solutions to other peoples products is a great concept. But when that solution could increase the support calls to the other company involved it is not so great. Apple would have to incur additional support costs becuase OWC wanted to sell more drives. There is nothing wrong in waht Apple did.
the good ole days of mac having a superior product are truly long gone.
I don’t think so. I think they are just on thier way to getting better and better. While windows goes downhill. Just look at the fornt page of OS news today.
Microsoft: Can we check your software license?
More web surfers abandoning the good ship Internet Explorer
“Microsoft’s web browser, Internet Explorer, is continuing its slow but steady slide in market share. According to fresh numbers from web metrics firm Websidestory, IE’s share has slipped 1.8 per cent in the last three months.”
“I don’t think so. I think they are just on thier way to getting better and better. While windows goes downhill. Just look at the fornt page of OS news today.”
fact remains that mac users have to hack everyday apps and hardware to make it work on buggy os x. go read all about patchburn on the net. something like 1 in 10 cd and dvd burners fully work with mac os x… 9 out of 10 have to be hacked. the joys of using os x….
meanwhile, ms sells more and more desktop windows and windows server licenses every quarter. check their last sec filing to see how worried they are about a 1% move in browser usage.
“Microsoft: Can we check your software license?”
only people that are concerned by silly stuff like a 2 second click and check of your windows serial and activation are probably pirates. no one i know finds exception with such a thing. fact is many vendors have you register and actually login to get downloads and updates for their products. ms doesnt go that far but has all rights to do so. fact is you can still download the updates and add ons without doing the verification if you chose. who cares.
i have never heard a law abiding trustworthy person ever complain about putting in serial numbers, activating products, registering products etc. non pirates take it as part of the landscape of using computers. since you have several times commented about stealing software it does not surprise me that this bothers you.
something like 1 in 10 cd and dvd burners fully work with mac os x… 9 out of 10 have to be hacked. the joys of using os x….
Good as long as 1 works, I am happy. Yes using OS X is very joyous. I absolutely love it.
I also understand that Apple cannot support every drive out there becuase of lack of resourses. Xp by default doesn’t support every CD/DVD burner drive. Infact 2000 and XP don’t even enable DMA on most drives resulting in sucky performance.
You need roxio or some other third party tools on windows to use the latest stuff. Likewise, roxio makes software for MacOS X and many of the links you posted show that you can get toast 6 for free with drive purchases.
What’s your point? Anyone would laugh if you called OS X buggy in comparison to windows.
The wall street journal, FBI and many analysts are now touting OS X as a stable. reliable and rock solid OS and a good replacement for XP and its issues. Get a life.
i have never heard a law abiding trustworthy person ever complain about putting in serial numbers, activating products, registering products etc. non pirates take it as part of the landscape of using computers. since you have several times commented about stealing software it does not surprise me that this bothers you.
No people concerned with privacy also complain.