Such an embarrassment of riches. Apple Macintosh users have two new web browsers to choose from. It’s a curious market. All Macs come with two free browsers: Microsoft’s Internet Explorer 5.2, and Apple’s own slick and elegant Safari. But that hasn’t stopped a steady queue of software companies looking to promote alternatives.Elsewhere, Opera 7.60 Preview 1 for Windows is available:
Major New Features:
-New start-up options
-Speech-enabled browsing
-In-line error pages
-Medium-Screen Rendering
Important Changes:
-New support for specifications, including:
-CSS3 speech module (properties new to CSS3 are prefixed by “-xv-“)
-XHTML+Voice 1.2
-XMLHttpRequest, XMLSerializer, and DOMParser (interoperable with existing implementations)
-DOM 3 Load & Save
-TLS 1.1 (experimental)
-TLS ServerName Extensions (experimental)
-Transparent background (wmode) support for plug-ins
Opera 7.6 is also available for Unix, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and Mac.
See http://snapshot.opera.com/ for the other platforms.
Where is the Googlebar? Where is the Yahoo Toolbar? Where is the adblocker plugin? Where is the web developer plugin?
The development communities sprouting up around Moz-based plugins and the core code itself are trumping anything coming you can build on Konqueror. Apple – you chose wrong, it will be practically impossible to keep up with the incredible momentum coming out of Mozilla communities.
Anybody know what’s new ?
Any idea on how to enable this in Linux? I still get the same old error popups.
It doesnt seem to be too much difference graphically from the last version of Opera, but it feels like it got a little speed improvement.
From the snapshots page I mentioned above it says it got a lot of important updates. Have a look at http://snapshot.opera.com/windows/w760p1.html#important for more details.
Two really cool browsers. Opera is my favourite for Windows/Linux and OmniWeb is quickly becoming my favourite for Mac OS.
There’s nothing much revolutionary in Opera 7.6, but it’s a definite improvement. Inline error messages have been on my wishlist for a long time, having a stack of pop-up errors appear when you’re disconnected is very annoying.
OmniWeb 5.0 is a very nice upgrade over the 4.5, thumbnail tabs, workspaces(similar to Opera’s sessions) and per-site preferences are all well implemented and elegant. It makes Safari seem very basic and limited.
Nice to see that the browser market isn’t becoming stagnant despite the lack of development of IE.
When I am on a Mac I use Safari exclusively. On the Mac its more elegant, its more functional and I find that Firefox and Mozilla on certain websites go nuts and it eats my resources on the Mac. Safari doesnt hang, it doesnt crash and my only regret is that Apple doesnt produce Safari for Windows. I use Netscape 7.2 on Windows now but I occasionally use Firefox. I dont think Apple chose poorly, KHTML is a great engine.
they have made Gmail to work with Opera!
also they have made ability to set opera as Internet Suite or just Web Browser!
Where is the Googlebar? Where is the Yahoo Toolbar? Where is the adblocker plugin? Where is the web developer plugin?
Hrm… am I the only one that thinks this user has not even used safari yet?
1) Googlebar: In the top right hand corner, there is a google search box. just type what you want to search, and press enter.
2) Yahoo Toolbar: See #1 (who the hell cares about yahoo anyhow?)
3) Adblocker: Are you talking about a pop-up blocker? Click on File and select “Block Popups”. built in.
4) Developer plugins: I am no expert, but I am sure you can add some sort of plug-ins to the browser, its just a skin on top of some framework.
they have made Gmail to work with Opera!
Really? I hadn’t noticed that, it’s very good news.
also they have made ability to set opera as Internet Suite or just Web Browser!
That’s been an option in the preferences for a while now, the only change is that you get a startup option.
>> 1) Googlebar: In the top right hand corner, there is a google search box.
Hrm… am I the only one that thinks this user has not even used google toolbar yet?
googlebar is far more than the google search box
>> 2) Yahoo Toolbar: See #1 (who the hell cares about yahoo anyhow?)
3 billion pageviews a day can’t be wrong
>> 3) Adblocker: Are you talking about a pop-up blocker?
No, i said AD BLOCKER. i know what i am talking about.
it lets you select ads based on a hostname regex and suppress them
3) Adblocker: Are you talking about a pop-up blocker? Click on File and select “Block Popups”. built in.
No, he’s talking about the ability to block ads with the right mouse button menu … Flash ads can be killed similarly. This little extension is the best thing to happen to the web since HTML
3) Adblocker: Are you talking about a pop-up blocker? Click on File and select “Block Popups”. built in.
“Block Pop-up Windows” is under the Safari menu, not the File menu. In my version (1.2.3) anyway. You can also use the keyboard accelerator #K.
I’ve used the google toolbar on IE, Opera does almost everything it does. There’s even a bookmarklit that add’s pagerank info to Opera. You can add other searches to the search box. I have also installed a CSS and filter.ini (check the Opera wiki and forums) that blocks ad banners quite nicely.
Voice support is not available on Linux platform :,(
Man, they weren’t kidding when they said “preview release.”
This one actually *broke* some pages I’ve been used to seeing.
You might want to install it to a different directory.
I apparently misinterpreted “buggy alpha release” as “preview release.” ;(
Opera aren’t exactly hiding the state of the preview; this is what they say on their site:
Due to the experimental nature of this release, upgrading a previous Opera installation is not recommended.
It’s generally a good idea to read the documentation before installing software, especially when it’s a preview/beta.
The whole reason they release a preview is so that people can find and report any bugs. That way there hopefully aren’t any problems when the final version of 7.6 is released and people start upgrading.
they have made Gmail to work with Opera!
Running Opera 7.60P1 on Linux now. Regardless of what I identify as, it claims it’s incompatible. If I attempt to “sign in anyway”, after I try to login the entire login box transforms into a big white rectangle, and that’s as far as it gets.
PithHelmet has been available since Safari 1.0. Works great for banners and ads.
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/10752
There is a trick for GMAIL login. It has nothing to do with Opera; it is a bug in Google’s code. Read the forum thread where Opera 7.6P1 was released.
Where is the Googlebar? Where is the Yahoo Toolbar?
Mabye it’s not the browser’s fault that the *bar is not avaiable. For example, I don’t think the IE team is the maker of the GoogleBar, so I don’t see why Safari would have it unless Google (or an independant group) makes one. Have you tried make a request to Google or Yahoo ?
I’m sure Apple could easily swap out Konquerer’s HTML rendering engine with Mozilla’s without too much difficulty.
http://fails.org/gmail.html for anyone who wants to login… and check the source if you’re worried about it ganking your password…
Heh, erm, yeah they are.
Go to the link in the OSNews article and have a good look: there’s nothing mentioning its beta-like status anywhere. Not even a disclaimer, so I took it for what its title said: ‘Preview.’ Kinda like in the movies.
If the article had actually linked to the main snapshot folder you would have seen:
pre·view
. of an experimental nature
. distributed to a limited audience, i.e. forums, newsgroups, and IRC
. should never be installed over a final release
. not to be used as a substitute for a final release
http://snapshot.opera.com/
People are expected to discover the preview through Opera’s beta testing forum; AFAIK that’s the only place that it’s mentioned on the site. If Opera 7.6 was intended as a replacement for the Opera 7.54 then it would be listed for download on their main page rather than hidden away. It isn’t Opera’s fault that OSNews directly linked to the preview rather than to the original announcement.
Here’s the announcement thread:
http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=a0e0348f45c3df92faa5e81…
If other people haven’t already reported the problems you’ve encountered then that’s the place to list them.
>> they have made Gmail to work with Opera!
No they haven’t. I just tried it with 7.60 Preview 1 and it’s still very much unsupported :/
You can also install Mozilla for OS X if you want. So quit bitching.
“>> they have made Gmail to work with Opera!
No they haven’t. I just tried it with 7.60 Preview 1 and it’s still very much unsupported :/”
Have a look at this work around though it is not perfect but works with me.
0) ID as Opera
1) Click “sign in anyway” to get past their notice that Opera is an unsupported browser
2) Type in your username and password
3) Disable Javascript
4) Click “Sign in”
5) Enable Javascript
6) Click “click here to continue”
Most notable improvement is XMLHttpRequest support, which indeed works. That’ll make developers life easier. That alone is worth upgrading once it’s stable.
“Where is the Googlebar? Where is the Yahoo Toolbar? Where is the adblocker plugin? Where is the web developer plugin? ”
I use Safari because it doesn’t have those things. It’s light, fast, stable, easy to use. A pleasure. If I want plugins I’ll use Mozilla.
I think in many ways Safari is my favorite browser because of it’s light design, it really reminds me of NetPositive. Rememeber that former BeOS users?
Safari is a perfect example of a perfected application, it does one thing well, it renders web pages, that’s all it needs to do.
And the more pressure for standards compliance.
There is AdBlocker for Opera called AdFilter. It works the same way as FF or Mozilla AdBlocker.
the link:
http://www.monroeworld.com/operafilter/index.php
u can even user css files like the way you use it in firefox or mozilla
I was experimenting with all browsers for a page I was writing. I was never able to get XMLHttpRequest working correctly for IE or OmniWeb. I can’t believe after all this time OmniGroup hasn’t figured out that they need to make kickass JavaScript support a #1 priority. Other than that I would be happy to use OmniWeb and pay $30 for it. I like supporting small developers.
I’m personally a FireFox user. I think it is the best browser on any platform. The only time I use another browser is when I have to launch the Sirius Satellite Radio music streaming webpage. That requires IE for some reason.
There is AdBlocker for Opera called AdFilter. It works the same way as FF or Mozilla AdBlocker.
the link:
http://www.monroeworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1882
That’s what the Proxomitron is for.
I’m sure Apple could easily swap out Konquerer’s HTML rendering engine with Mozilla’s without too much difficulty.
I don’t think so– webkit and webcore are pretty well integrated, and webcore __is__ khtml.
In my opinion, there are very few reasons to _use_ anything mozilla related in OSX. Safari just has the **polish** and Apple touch that Firefox, et al, lack. It’s a joy to use– it doesn’t FEEL like you’re using a web browser. I’d rather have that than a bloated google bar and yahoo bar.
Shane and I had a discussion about Proxomitron – he doesn’t care for it:
http://www.monroeworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1880
Can’t say I agree wiwth him, but so be it
Is there any other Opera user stuck on their 6.05 browser? Maybe it’s just me but I haven’t have installed for more than a day a single Opera release after 6.05, I always reinstall.
One small issue was the disappearance of letter shortcuts in left-click menus (note this seems to vary depending of the platform, MS-WindowsXP here). There’s a nuissance they have done to the menu preferences I don’t remember right now, I think they took out some nice controls for browser layout. A major issue was speed (setting off all the eye-candy), whereas 6.05 is snappy, much faster than any Internet browser for MS-Windows (Explorer, Netscape, Mozilla, Firebird, now Firefox), ulterior Opera versions have been visibly sluggish. Anyway, I’m downloading this 7.60_Preview_1 to check it out.
One small issue was the disappearance of letter shortcuts in left-click menus (note this seems to vary depending of the platform, MS-WindowsXP here).
Do you mean that the main menus don’t display keyboard shortcuts next to the menu item? I’m using Opera 7.5 on Windows XP and I’ve never seen anything like that.
There’s a nuissance they have done to the menu preferences I don’t remember right now, I think they took out some nice controls for browser layout.
IMO there’s much more control of the browser layout in Opera 7 than there was in Opera 6.
A major issue was speed (setting off all the eye-candy), whereas 6.05 is snappy, much faster than any Internet browser for MS-Windows (Explorer, Netscape, Mozilla, Firebird, now Firefox), ulterior Opera versions have been visibly sluggish.
For me Opera 7 is lightning fast even on a 466Mhz Celeron, maybe there was a problem with your performance settings.
If you’re having trouble with Opera 7 you should post a detailed list of the problems on the Opera forums. There are simple solutions to many problems and quite a few people have speed optimisation tips.
I suppose it’s because most folks writing in have installed Opera on OSs other than Win2K or XP, but what’s very new in 7.6 for these versions of Windows is that browser functions can now be voice-controlled (and configured a la mouse gestures or keyboard shortcuts).
there’s also a new camino release http://mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=5215
No they haven’t. I just tried it with 7.60 Preview 1 and it’s still very much unsupported :/
*cough* Apparently you missed this:
http://fails.org/gmail.html
Stick to the 6.x series if you want to, but you should install the latest 6.x – 6.06 ( ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/606/en/std/ ) – security update.
hey that works flawlesslly!
thanx man
I managed to log into Gmail with a workaround which I found which Included enabling & disabling java scripts but this is great
thank you
Try it : http://80.48.65.2/black.jpeg
> Apple – you chose wrong, it will be practically impossible to keep up with the incredible momentum coming out of Mozilla communities.
No, they chose correctly. Apple said they picked Konqueror’s engine because they needed a clean codebase they could quickly develop into an IE replacement. They’ve more than achieved this goal. Good call, Apple.
You’re right, though: the community which surrounds Mozilla is highly creative. I doubt Safari will ever offer so many features. But it doesn’t need to. It’s just OS X’s basic browser, and is a million times the quality of the software it replaced.
I can’t decide between Firefox’s fantastic Mac version (doesn’t it look great?) and Omniweb. Firefox is fast as hell, works on almost every site, and gets more “Mac” with each release. Omniweb is incredibly feature-rich, and is a pure Mac application. It’s also a tad heavy. I love the graphical tabs, but cringe whenever my G5’s fans spin up to match the CPU load. It’s fine for everyday use, though. Just can’t make up my mind which to set as the default browser.
I don’t have to. OS X software needn’t be a monoculture. Our hard drives are big enough to store anything we might care to use. Bring it on.
I agree, 6.x was great. It’s the best browser there ever was. With 6.x it’s possible to use the web comfortably on a 486DX if your main pc blows out. I had to laugh in disgust at the post about 7.x being fast “even on a 466Mhz”. No “even” about it, that’s a horrendous amount of power to need just to surf the web. 6.x was touted as “Simply the finest internet experience”. You can’t say that about 7.x unless your pc is so recent that IE would be just fine on it too. 7.x has a completely different feel, period.
…that you need a PC made sometime in the last 5 years to use it, then I don’t think that’s that bad at all really!
I agree, 6.x was great. It’s the best browser there ever was. With 6.x it’s possible to use the web comfortably on a 486DX if your main pc blows out.
I’ve tried Opera 6 on a 486 DX4/100 running Windows 95 and it was pretty painful, I can’t imagine web browsing on something that slow. Opera 3 ran quite well on a 486, but not any version after than IME.
I had to laugh in disgust at the post about 7.x being fast “even on a 466Mhz”. No “even” about it, that’s a horrendous amount of power to need just to surf the web. 6.x was touted as “Simply the finest internet experience”. You can’t say that about 7.x unless your pc is so recent that IE would be just fine on it too.
A 466Mhz Celeron is the slowest computer I’ve used for running Opera 7, but I expect that it’d be usable on a significantly slower computer. OTOH Internet Explorer is sluggish and unresponsive on that Celeron, open more than a few windows and it crawls on a PC 5x faster than that.
7.x has a completely different feel, period.
I can’t tell any real difference in speed between Opera 6 and Opera 7. If anything I’d say that Opera 7.5 feels more responsive than 6, especially when you’ve got a large number of Windows open. Are you sure that it isn’t just a problem with your configuration settings?
Opera is the best browser ever. Firefox isn’t bad…
I used to use Firefox and Mozilla and Netscape exclusively, but since .9, I find that compatibility suffers on many sites.
In particular, the features of http://www.westlaw.com and http://www.lexis.com, which are attorney websites, do not work properly on the latest non-IE browsers – none of them, including Opera.
However, Safari, to my joy, works with them perfectly.
Until Mozilla can get their browser working with heavy java sites and sites that use certain annoying IE calls, I am absolutely a Safari user on my Mac.