Due to criticism regarding Crisot’s first video, the beta-tester created a new video (24.7 MB file) to demonstrate the speed of OS4 running with a native version of P96 combined with an accelerated Voodoo 3 driver. This version shows almost no flickering and also shows Quake launching and running. Like with the previous video this is not an official OS4 demonstration.
This video is looking far better than the first. Good job. As for the speed, very impressive. I really like the part were he selects icons from several windows and the desktop at once, nice feature.
@ Steppas
Having used most operating systems, the AmigaOS GUI IMO still has some of the best intuitive features.
For instance what often severly bugs me when using Windows, the active Windows always moves to the front. This is often very irritating when you quickly want to use one page as reference, you need to move the two Windows in such a position that you can view them both simultaneously (for instance graphics, graphical text that cannot be simply copy&pasted, etc). Thus this often consumes alot of time and effort and doesn’t work all too well most of the time in my experience.
On AmigaOS you can simply have an inactive Window displayed on top, and by clicking the Window depth gadget or double clicking the Window it can be easily moved to the front.
Of course you could customize AmigaOS to do this the Windows-way, if you really want to or even move any Window to the front just by having your mouse pointer moved over it, but I greatly prefer the click-to-front approach.
will it be possible to run OS4 on G3/G4-Macs, e.g. ibook? would be neat.
overall speed looks quite good, but redrawing multiple icons looked a bit slow to me.
@ andi
> will it be possible to run OS4 on G3/G4-Macs, e.g.
> ibook? would be neat.
Hopefully some day. Personally I and many other Amigans would love it to be able to use AmigaOS4 on iBook/Powerbooks.
But first of all AmigaOS4 surely needs to be completed for AmigaOne motherboards, BlizzardPPC (A1200) and CyberstormPPC (Desktop/Tower) equipped classic Amigas first!
However the AmigaOS4 team has made clear they would need to get proper documentation for the hardware for this to be an option and it’s unlikely Apple would like to acquire a license or help a competitor like AmigaOS in any other way. So don’t keep your breathe waiting for this to happen…. ;-(
@ andi
> overall speed looks quite good, but redrawing multiple
> icons looked a bit slow to me.
I think the redrawing was quite fast, but the icons loading was a bit slow. The DMA enabled IDE drivers for instance are also almost finished beta-testing.
This and other things should further improve for the final version.
> However the AmigaOS4 team has made clear they
> would need to get proper documentation for the
> hardware for this to be an option and it’s unlikely
> Apple would like to acquire a license or help a competitor
That’s a lame excuse. NetBSD did it. http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/
The AmigaOS4 developers could use NetBSD as a source of information.
@ KAMiKAZOW
The AmigaOS4 team isn’t the NetBSD team. First they would need to finish the version for the currently planned platform anyway.
It will have to be a business decision based on: Will we be able to make a profit? If we do so much effort, would this destroy the market for AmigaOne computers and thus would we become dependent on anything Apple decides to do with their hardware? Would AmigaOS4 be able to operate to its full ability without having proper hardware documentation?, etc.
@MikeB
Well, in its current state the AmigaONE is more expensive and not as good as the Apple offerings, so right now you are more or less stuck to what Amiga Inc WANTED to do, and what eyetech have done. I suppose KMOS could decide they want an x86 version aswell…
But me personally would rather see amigaos for the pegasos which is cheaper and you get both amigaos and morphos so you aren’t totally screwed if one of them give up the ghost (if that’s the right saying.).
So retarded there was developed two new amiga ppc platforms, silly Amiga Inc, it’s not like 1000 or so users is a huge market for one platform to begin with.
Haven’t really followed OS4’s development so excuse me if I’m asking a stupid question here. Is there an x86 version planned?
@ themadtux
> Haven’t really followed OS4’s development so excuse me
> if I’m asking a stupid question here. Is there an x86
> version planned?
At least not for the near future. Supporting classic and AmigaOne PPC hardware has currently top priority. For the distant future nothing is certain, don’t know, it will have to make commercial sense.
I think we should not ignore the difficulties Be Inc had to go through while wanting to support Apple hardware and afterwards bankrupting on the x86 platform. We have to learn from their mistakes and have to do better than them!
iam really dissapointed to see this bad quality video on a platform that has always been superb in video animation, editing etc. etc.
showing of opening and closing some views does not show the os at all, but i like the sound of his sliding mouse.
Spatial mode baby.
@ PdC
> iam really dissapointed to see this bad quality video on
> a platform that has always been superb in video
> animation, editing etc. etc.
LOL, this was recorded (webcam) and encoded with a PC. 🙂
I have to say that Amiga continually stating that they can’t support Apple hardware due to Apple not releasing specs is getting old….
Gentoo and Yellow Dog (for instance) have no problem figuring out how to run on the Apple hardware, so why is this such a sticking point for the Amiga guys?
C’mon… Increase your market share… You know you want to.
8)=
> will it be possible to run OS4 on G3/G4-Macs, e.g. ibook?
> would be neat.
Not only neat, but essential for a small PowerPC desktop OS without dedicated hardware “of its own” to survive.
But of course Apple will never ever pay a cent to a competing little software company for the dubious privilege of selling a competing little OS with their hardware. Amiga, Inc’s compulsory licensing insanity stems from one UK computer shop (Eyetech) which – apparently – due to Amiga, Inc’s shortsightedness and disinterest was granted a de facto monopoly on an unnecessarily invented “Amiga hardware market”.
Like MikeB almost spelled out above: good, cheap, fast and readily available hardware would of course eradicate the artificially created “need” for the hardware sold as “AmigaOnes”. I think it’s obvious that this “protection” has been prioritised over letting AmigaOS having the slightest chance to make even a modest comeback.
The notion that it would be impossible to make AOS for (modern) Macs due to an alleged unavailability of documentation is outright ridiculous. Likewise that “we” (AmigaOS and its users/customers) would become dependent on Apple: Hello!? Anybody home? “We” are already exclusively dependent on third party hardware companies and their products – AND that they are interested in buying Amiga, Inc’s licence to sell Amiga, Inc’s (well, KMOS’s and Hyperion’s) OS.
No “Amiga Hardware” Licence for Hardware X = No AmigaOS for Hardware X. Today, that’s the primary stumbling block to overcome before it’s even worth considering otherwise relevant stuff like technical issues – for any hardware.
But I’ve droned on about this so many times before, so check out the website linked from my username instead, and this: http://petitiononline.com/amigaos .
@ Mr. Banned
> I have to say that Amiga continually stating that they
> can’t support Apple hardware due to Apple not releasing
> specs is getting old….
I personally like people being consistant and note that I did not say this will never happen, but just needs to make business sense.
Look at all the “I-know-it-all” people from the BeOS era, saying BeOS is gonna be big on x86. Regardless for all these “expert” opinions Be Inc and BeOS are no more.
> Gentoo and Yellow Dog (for instance) have no problem
> figuring out how to run on the Apple hardware, so why is
> this such a sticking point for the Amiga guys?
Linux is everywhere including on the AmigaOne. But what if the AmigaOS team wants to run better on Apple hardware than MacOS X does, instead of just simply run on the hardware?
@ Seehund
> Amiga, Inc’s compulsory licensing insanity
Anyone is free to make a deal for licensing AmigaOS, actually they would love to make million dollar deals. To think anything else is IMO pretty strange.
But why do you care? Aren’t perfectly happy with your Pegasos?
> http://petitiononline.com/amigaos
Have much fun with your petition, you don’t seem to care about the facts anyway. Like for instance a small fact like that Amiga Inc does not own AmigaOS, but KMOS. LOL
And why don’t you start a petition for your beloved MorphOS instead? In the past you argued that MorphOS was going to run on anything and everything, including Macs, AmigaOnes, etc.
The fact remains however that MorphOS/Ambient is only to be seen on Pegasos hardware, while AmigaOS4 has at least been demonstrated on AmigaOne hardware, A1200/BlizzardPPC hardware and various classic models equipped with Cyberstorm cards.
No raving is gonna change that. You just want to hear nice-babble talk?
I’m with pretty much everyone here (except MikeB of course) in that I’d really like to see OS4 running on Macs. I have a perfectly good PPC machine right here, there is 0% chance of me buying another just to give an OS I’ve never seen in person a try.
I’m glad that people actually started mentioning that there exists no technical reason for why OS4 could not run on Apple hardware. Linux and NetBSD run quite happily on them, I’ve even heard many saying that Linux on their macs ran faster than OSX.
I agree that OS4 should be made to work with original Amigas first, but please, don’t try to blame Apple for not wanting to get the OS to run on their hardware. It’s a business decision, not a technical one.
this guy is on acid. I know that this is supposed to show the speed at which things run but it was way to fast.
@ Richard Fillion
> I’m with pretty much everyone here (except MikeB of
> course)
Learn to read please before putting words into my mouth.
What part of “Personally I and many other Amigans would love it to be able to use AmigaOS4 on iBook/Powerbooks.” didn’t you understand?
I love those cute little iBook!
> It’s a business decision, not a technical one.
It’s both a business and a technical decision. If not then when I snap my fingers AmigaOS4 will run on the iBook! (Sadly that’s not the case.)
@Mike: to refresh your memory…
Hyperion hadn’t started to write a single line of AmigaOS4 that MorphOS was already running on Amiga+PPC.
Version 0.4 which runs on Amiga+PPC is publicy available here:
http://www.morphos.org/fileslinks.php3
no registration, no NDA required… Where can I get AmigaOS4 for a bppc/cppc ?
Leo.
> Anyone is free to make a deal for licensing AmigaOS,
> actually they would love to make million dollar deals. To
> think anything else is IMO pretty strange.
“They” being Amiga, Inc (KMOS), I presume you mean?
Anyone is free to eat cow manure too. That doesn’t mean anyone is necessarily interested in doing so. “Million dollar deals”.
BTW, the only other company to my knowledge that has expressed any interest whatsoever in a licensing deal never heard from AInc again after one or two e-mails. Maybe because it was a bigger, more competent company with more resources and a better and cheaper product than the only existing licensee?
> But why do you care? Aren’t perfectly happy with your
> Pegasos?
I’m sorry, now I think I lost you? I don’t have a Pegasos, and don’t think I would buy what’s currently available, even though the Peg2 is better and cheaper than the Teron PX/Mini (“AmigaOne XE/Micro”) but that doesn’t say much. I know being labelled a “Pegasos owner” is meant to be derogatory where you’re coming from, but for some reason I don’t think it’ll work here. Especially as I do not own the muchly despised object in question.
Why do I care? I’ve been an Amiga user for a decade and a half. I happen to like the OS. It would be nice if the latest in the row of owners didn’t f-ck up like this again, because I don’t think AmigaOS can survive yet another f-ck-up. The Amiga is dead. Now at least let AmigaOS live.
> Have much fun with your petition, you don’t seem to care
> about the facts anyway. Like for instance a small fact
> like that Amiga Inc does not own AmigaOS, but KMOS. LOL
You mean just like I said? Oh.
But then again, it seems to be awfully difficult to get in touch with this mysterious KMOS entity (believe me, I’ve tried). Its CEO also doesn’t really seem to know what this “AmigaOS” thing is, that KMOS self-allegedly in an apparently back-dated press-release somehow have acquired during a lawsuit. That’s judging by his only known public statements, in an interview on that funny corporate fan portal whatsitsname.
And it’s not “my” petition. “My” petition would be called a personal letter, and I wrote those before I started this. This is the petition of those who want to buy AmigaOS and have signed the petition. I can’t say it’s been all that much fun either…
> And why don’t you start a petition for your beloved
> MorphOS instead?
Are you talking to me? Like I said, I have never used (nor “loved”) MorphOS, and I think these attempts at “defamation by association with the Evil Blue Conspiracy” will not work very well outside the controlled environment of the corporate fan portal I mentioned above.
Was there any other reason you brought up MorphOS in this AmigaOS thread? I mean, that’s what you usually accuse the Evil Blue Conspiracy of doing.
> In the past you argued that MorphOS was going to run on
> anything and everything, including Macs, AmigaOnes, etc.
What the…? Like hell I did.
It’s both a business and a technical decision. If not then when I snap my fingers AmigaOS4 will run on the iBook! (Sadly that’s not the case.)
Well… PowerPC processor..check.. IDE harddrive… check.. Pretty darn standard video card (ATi Radeon 9200) check.. IDE cdrom etc..etc.. If any OS is going to survive in the PPC market, they’ll need those. As far as I know, the only part that would require a bit of work is getting the OS bootstrapped. As I and others have stated, Linux and NetBSD can do that.
You stated that they may want to make OS4 run better than OSX on Apple hardware if they were to support it. Do Linux kernel hackers bitch cause Dell doesn’t ship them all the technical specs for the hardware when they order a PC? Do _any_ of the PC manufacturers? I’m sorry, but you can’t expect that from them. Apple doesn’t make the CPU, Video card, harddrive etc… they just put them together (very elegantly may I add).
I apologize for putting words in your mouth, I should have phrased it “I’m with the others in that I don’t believe it should be very difficult to support Apple hardware.” I truly don’t see why Apple is to blame here.
All you people who think Aos4 should run on pc/mac should put the money up front to get it ported and im sure it could happen.
Who’s going to start the ball rolling, get the bounty started.
@MikeB:
> Linux is everywhere including on the AmigaOne.
Except, of course, if you want to run a 2.6 series kernel… Any idea what (if anything) is happening on that front?
OS4 and MOS are proprietary OS (and “commercial” BTW)
can anyone here give me an example of a commercial closed source OS
which run on Apple hardware?? there are NONE
But there was one, it’s is called BeOS… and when Apple saw that they
released a firmware upgrade to prevent users installing BeOS on their
Macs…
That’s the problem…
And the problem are Apple mobo, not the other components…
Linux is everywhere including on the AmigaOne. But what if the AmigaOS team wants to run better on Apple hardware than MacOS X does, instead of just simply run on the hardware?
Perhaps they do want to run better than OSX, but it’s obvious that running it on Apple hardware at all is the 1st logical step to doing this.
If someone at Amiga is stating “Alright, we want to be the best OS on Aple Hardware, and the best way to do this is to not release an Apple PPC version until Apple buddies up to us and shows us the ins and outs of their system”, then that person should be off the team immediately.
The best way to achieve such a goal is to 1st get the OS running at all on the hardware, and then try to improve on that! Not to just ignore the platform and make up excuses why they’re doing so.
I won’t reiterate what we all know, but several OS vendors have proven you don’t need Apple’s help to run on their hardware. That’s a lame excuse at best, and it makes Amiga look ignorant if that is in fact their stance.
Personally, I think it’s because they have no good business sense, and actually think they’ll make more by forcing users to use only their authorized hardware (“Gee… It worked for Apple, why not us?”).
That’s very naive thinking considering the costs associated with their proprietary hardware.
I obviously can’t quote numbers (and I think those who refuse to discuss such things without such hard facts are ignoring the issue more than anything), but I can guarantee that Amiga’s track record is the problem here. Whereas very few people are willing to plunk down a small fortune for an Amiga MB setup, there are thousands, if not millions, willing to pay for the OS if it’ll run on existing Apple hardware.
Based on Amigas history, whoever invests in them will want re-assurance that if Amiga falls on their face yet again, that their invest is re-usable in some other form. Apple hardware meets this requirement well, and is an ignored potential market for this OS. It doesn’t make sense. It’s the Chewbacca Defense all over again!
(http://nihildum.com/the.chewbacca.defense.html)
>> It’s a business decision, not a technical one.
> It’s both a business and a technical decision. If not then
> when I snap my fingers AmigaOS4 will run on the iBook!
The (IMO stupid and counterproductive) business decision by its design takes precedence over technical issues, unfortunately.
If nobody acquires a licence to sell Hardware X “dongled” and bundled with AmigaOS, then it’s pointless to discuss technical feasibility.
No matter how hard or easy it would be to adapt the HAL to Hardware X, no matter how large the market for Hardware X already is, no matter how good/fast/cheap it is, it is not allowed to happen (legally and income-bringing – pirates won’t care as always), unless there’s a licensee.
Remember that Hardware X, apart from the “dongle” code and the new trademark, can be and currently is exactly identical to the same hardware when it’s sold as licensed “Amiga hardware”. There’s an artificially created separation for Hardware X between its normal, open market, and a new “Amiga hardware” market.
Better quality video huh?
All I get is the audio.
Windows Media Player 9 on XP Pro.
Who’s going to start the ball rolling, get the bounty started.
Someone who knows nothing of Amigas past performance.
“Sure, you give us the money and we’ll deliver the port in say… 3 years. But let’s say something goes wrong during that 3 year time frame. Perhaps we’ll have to extend that to 5 years.
But 5 years isn’t really that much time when you get down to it. Let’s just say that the Amiga name were to be sold to say, one or two different vendors during this 5 year period. Of course then our time frame would extend out to 7 years for that port. Money might be an issue too during this period, so of course we’ll need the money up front, if you don’t mind.”
Yeah, I’ll be there with my money in hand (not!)
How many of you still have your coupons from your advance orders? How many of you actually got that T-Shirt?
Just download the Divx player from http://www.divx.com for WinXP, Mac OS X or Linux.
IMO:
I don’t have an AmigaONE nor a compatible OS4 machine. I would really like to see it on x86 hardware, but Hyperion refuses to port a version to x86. Some other group would have to port it.
I’d sure like to buy one, but I may end up buying a AMD64 bit proc motherboard and later an iBook. Not sure when I’d get an AmigaOne.
@ Seehund
> Like I said, I have never used (nor “loved”) MorphOS
OK, so you don’t like MOS that much. I assumed you did because of the endless ravings about the Pegasos and the way MOS was heading in the past. Maybe you changed you mind?
Lately it was starting to get a bit more quiet and calm.
I truly hope that some day we will break loose from all the bickering, which starts to feel like hearing a broken record and move forward into the future without all the fuss.
If you don’t like AmigaOS, Amigas and the people behind these projects, why do you still bother to comment and why not simply go for something else and have peace?
How exactly does this video show the system is ‘fast’? Pfft. Talk about making something out of nothing, geez.
@ Yupper
> How exactly does this video show the system is ‘fast’?
Who claims that? If you are referring to the news item, please learn to read. It only states: “demonstrate the speed of OS4”. If it’s currently fast or slow that’s for you to decide.. Sign….
i keep seeing demos for the past year+ when is this OS actually going to be released
> OK, so you don’t like MOS that much. I assumed you did
> because of the endless ravings about the Pegasos and the
> way MOS was heading in the past. Maybe you changed you
> mind?
Cut it out now, please. What you’re attributing to me here is not only untrue, but entirely off-topic.
Maybe you were just imagining things, or confusing me with somebody else?
@ MikeB
Who said that I was reffering to the news item? I was reffering to posts made in this thread and in the thread of the previous video. Here’s some examples:
“As for the speed, very impressive.”
“Wow when can I get it. I love speed speed speed”
“That speed is amazing. I don’t even remember BeOS being that fast.”
Maybe if you learned to read you would’ve known that Mr. Smart Guy.
now the video file size is getting larger! has this guy ever heard of compression codecs? i’ve seen longer hi-res trailers on the QuickTime site that are 1/2 the size of this file
Hey…AFAIK
Apple doesn’ t support OS 9 anymore…
Yes you can still buy
some G4s that boot OS9, but for Jobs,& Apple, OS 9 is dead…SUPPORTING it has a COST.
But there are people that like OS 9 more than OS X and they stick with old OS.
So, SUPPORT Apple’s hardware has as cost too…for Amiga Inc.
Every year there are new models…remember BeOS
that booted with OS 8.6 but not with OS 9…because Apple changed something at boot level! Even GNU/Linux was difficultous to be ported on Apple/PPC in the first days.
And then devices change…SUPPORTING well them…mmm..for a company…could involve in a big job. When I used first time Linux/PPC on my Powerbook (years ago)I couldn’t use Power Manager..but I think most of people forgave that to Linux…hoping in a new development about that module.
And so then after time, I could use Powermanager…
but what about if a proprietary OS like Mac OS or…let say OS 4 could’t manage Power Management…?
And if Amiga Inc can’t really resolve some problems (or other..like maybe for example internal modem ecc)? What have to say to users?:
Let ‘s wait Linux hackers for code,or something like that?
Mmmmh… 😐
Speaking for myself, I think I understand why OS4 on Mac isn’ t a “Today target…”.
Secondly, I understand my English isn’ t perfect =:-)
…so sorry for that :#),
Regards everybody
—
Everything is IMHO
I don’t understand why do people care if AmigaOs will run on Apple based systems. It won’t run on Apple even though it has similar hardware to Amiga, Amiga has nothing to do with Apple.
If AmigaOs wants to be the most used Os in the world, it should be ported to x86 architecture not to Apple based systems.
@ Yupper
> Who said that I was reffering to the news item?
Read above the message box where it states:
“(IF replying, type “RE:” and paste the subject of the comment you are replying to)”
Hi,
I don’t understand you…
I think, if there were an AOS4 on Apple/x86
hardware, you wouldn’t use it!
The majority wouldn’t buy it (hey, why download
it via edonkey?).
Then you boot it, try it, and go back to using windows/macos.
For those of you, who wants to see an amiga like os on
x86 try http://www.aros.org
And for the morphos-users, you wouldn’t use it either.
Dear People who dont belive in the new AmigaOne and OS 4.0
the fact is my AmigaOne PPC G4 with OS 4 pre release, runs already faster than my brothers PC x86 3Ghz winxp, and its only in beta stage, the os4!
The full AmigaOS 4.0 will kick asses!
Thats the fact, because I see what I see on display!
and you! dont be so negative here comes the New Amiga!
Be happy!
Seehund:
> Cut it out now, please. What you’re attributing to me
> here is not only untrue
If I am incorrect in general I am sorry about that. Although I do remember parts of our discussions with regard to this. I truly wish you would target the competition instead though. 😉
However I do think you also have helped moved this thread off-topic. This thread is about the linked video and not KMOS’ (unpublished) license policies. I shouldn’t have taken the bait.
If AmigaOs wants to be the most used Os in the world, it should be ported to x86 architecture not to Apple based systems.
I think this is being discussed as Amiga OS is already written for a PPC architecture. Porting to x86 would (seem to) be a much bigger undertaking.
the fact is my AmigaOne PPC G4 with OS 4 pre release, runs already faster than my brothers PC x86 3Ghz winxp, and its only in beta stage, the os4!
The full AmigaOS 4.0 will kick asses!
Thats the fact, because I see what I see on display!
Now I have to say that this is pure crap! While the GUI may indeed be quicker than say XP on a 3Ghz machine (“may” being the key word – I guess if you have all of XP’s eye candy turned on w/a shitty vid. card, it might be), the raw computing power simply isn’t.
No matter what your perception of the OS’s speed is, based off the GUI interaction, there’s no way that it could keep up with such a machine as far as raw computing goes.
Give it a job such as rendering video, and your avg. G4 will definately fall short when compared to box with tons more CPU power.
But I agree… GUI speed is a major contributor to that “Wow! That PC’s so fast” impression. And for most people that GUI’s all they’re ever going to work with (ie, emails, web surfing, letters and resumes, etc.). But give it a “real” computing job, and the shortcomings of a lesser CPU vs. a more powerful one become very apparent.
well what do we have today? our 3 ghz pc’s and super video cards and yet they are very very sluggish especially if you are doing more than 1 thing at a time
What I want to know is why someone with a MAC would decide to use OS4 over OSX? Seems like OSX offers a heck of alot more (Unix, Open Source Unix software, proprietary [adobe, macromedia] software) then OS4. All I could see MAC users doing with it is to play with an Alternative OS.
I think Amiga OS is geared more towards past and existing Amiga users that want to continue to use their current systems or get a new Amiga type system. I don’t see where current MAC OSX users will have such a great need for Amiga OS4.
I will admit Amiga does have some nice stuff OSX does not (speed for one), but I think OSX has A LOT more to offer then Amiga OS4. When we talk about speed, OSX is improving with each update as they optimize the OS, and also do things like using the GPU for the GUI, and in the future give the developers tools to help them optimize there code better (Xcode 2.0, and things like Auto-vectorization). I think as more things are updated and some things shifted to the GPU to process, MAC OSX might have an Amiga feel to it in the future (as far as speed and responsiveness goes).
“No matter what your perception of the OS’s speed is, based off the GUI interaction, there’s no way that it could keep up with such a machine as far as raw computing goes.
Give it a job such as rendering video, and your avg. G4 will definately fall short when compared to box with tons more CPU power.” end quote
Some people do care about the speed of the gui.. Is the speed of the gui we are talking about aswell, not the speed of for example rendering, which btw has very little to do with the actual OS..
I for one dont like waiting ages for a folder to open, or for my browser. This is why i allways liked amiga, cause it was very responsive, even though it ran on lower end cpus with little ram..
I really look forward to see how fast the finished product will be, as many parts of the OS/programs is still running emulated
O.k., here’s why I would want AmigaOS on Mac
12″ 1ghz G4 ibook $1100
Dual boot OSX/AmigaOS4
Mac Apps: After Effects,Final cut pro, Safari.
Amiga side: Everything else
-vs-
Amiga One 1ghz g4 $1300+ (complete system)
Not portable
Amiga OS4/ MacOSX (via Mac on Linux)
Which one sounds better to you??
You know how many Mac people I know would buy OS4 if it ran on their Mac? Most of them.
In response to Paul:
You said:
12″ 1ghz G4 ibook $1100
Dual boot OSX/AmigaOS4
Mac Apps: After Effects,Final cut pro, Safari.
Amiga side: Everything else
What do you mean “Amiga side: Everything else”? Why not do the “everything” side on MAC OSX? Seems like it would take longer to reboot to use the other OS then just using OSX to do the same job.
And about your price issue, I am sure when the Mini-ITX Amiga is released is will be much cheaper, portable (in the snese you can move the computer unit around easy), and yes you could use Mac on Linux, which is fast. Since you would use the Amiga for everything else, Mac On Linux would be fine to run those missing applications you want to run.
The one reason I could see you justify this is for a Amiga Laptop, which MAC hardware would provide and no Amiga solution could.
You still have not justified to me what I would use Amiga for that OSX couldn’t do on MAC hardware. You just say “Everything Else”, which I am sure OSX can do fine.
For Amiga people money is not a problem, they even buy A4000T at the moment if they want. So They really don’t care if AmigaOS runs on a expensive hardware, they simply buy it if it is AmigaOS. AmigaOS is made for Amiga people and nobody cares if they will port is to Apples or x86 or that system is cheaper.
I don’t really care about those Mac/Pc people who wants AmigaOs on their computer because thinking that their system is cheaper.
message to all those Cpu/mhz people
What do you want from your OS? For average people, computer means, reading emails, writing documents, listening mp3 and this kind of stuff.
I can even do this stuff with my Accelerated Amiga1200. And all at the same time.
So it really doesnt matter if you have the latest Cpu, as I know from my PC unless you use Maya to render something, you barely use all the Cpu power.
So, for any this level user, even Amiga4000 with AmigaOs is fine.
@Lemmy,
I know OSX can do “everything else” but, I would rather use AmigaOS because its still my favorite. Choice is the whole point. Why use a Mac when you can do all the same stuff on A wintel box?
As far as Mac on Linux goes, I dont think I would want to run AF or Final cut pro on it. I’m not even sure if it supports firewire yet?
Oh yes, Running OS4 native on an modern laptop. nuff said!
@ Paul Gallant
> As far as Mac on Linux goes
Hopefully we see something like Mac-on-Amiga (or even vice versa) again. IMO Shapeshifter was a great app to use on classic Amigas of the past, with absolutely no performance penalty on a well equipped Amiga (24-bit graphic boards). 🙂
If I wanted to run AmigaOS4 today (or well, when it’s finally available), what are the options? And I mean the ‘official’ options. Are they releasing new Amiga hardware? Does it run on old Amigas? Can old Amigas still be found in good shape?
Thank you.
(The video really looks interesting… but… couldn’t the video output be fed directly to a recorder or something?)
The official options to run OS4 will be on the AmigaOne system, classic Amigas (4000 etc) with the Cyberstorm PPC card and classic Amigas (1200) with Blizzard PPC card. No other options planned at this time.
Old Amigas can still be found in very good shape, but the amigaone would probably be cheaper and more reliable if one would be planning on upgrading them for OS4.
These first A1 systems really are developer boards, new better boards (mini-itx perhaps) with the final release of OS4 will come eventually.
The video could be even better, but perhaps this specifik user only has a webcam and no other means to record it…
Thank you very much.
@Mr. Banned
“I have to say that Amiga continually stating that they can’t support Apple hardware due to Apple not releasing specs is getting old….
Gentoo and Yellow Dog (for instance) have no problem figuring out how to run on the Apple hardware, so why is this such a sticking point for the Amiga guys?”
Yes, someone have solved it, and if it wasn’t for the GPL they could actually have looked at the sources and figured out what to do, if they had enough men, time and money that is.
But now all the three last things + the GPL efficiently stop any chances of using the code and knowledge.
@MikeB:
“And why don’t you start a petition for your beloved MorphOS instead? In the past you argued that MorphOS was going to run on anything and everything, including Macs, AmigaOnes, etc.
The fact remains however that MorphOS/Ambient is only to be seen on Pegasos hardware, while AmigaOS4 has at least been demonstrated on AmigaOne hardware, A1200/BlizzardPPC hardware and various classic models equipped with Cyberstorm cards.”
Morphos was developed and ran the blizzardppc and cyberstorm long before anyone started to CODE amigaos4.
Morphos “will” run on macs, atleast as much as AmigaOS4 will be released, that is, it’s planed but no proofs yet.
@seehund:
“You mean just like I said? Oh.
But then again, it seems to be awfully difficult to get in touch with this mysterious KMOS entity (believe me, I’ve tried). Its CEO also doesn’t really seem to know what this “AmigaOS” thing is, that KMOS self-allegedly in an apparently back-dated press-release somehow have acquired during a lawsuit. That’s judging by his only known public statements, in an interview on that funny corporate fan portal whatsitsname.”
From the first comments the owners of KMOS said it seems like it’s this guy which want to tell/fool/someword people into he is doing something cool with something, and AmigaOS seemed to fit the plan since it was kind of known and could probably be cool. But then my english isn’t that good, but it was the kind of feeling i got.
@Hagge
” Morphos was developed and ran the blizzardppc and cyberstorm long before anyone started to CODE amigaos4.”
MorphOS was developed on classic Amigas, but Mike talks specificly about “Ambient”. The version for classic Amigas are severely out of date. Since the Pegasos is on the radar it was never updated and 0.4 is nothing to write home about.
@Paul
You said:
“its still my favorite”
That is what I figured. Don’t get me wrong, Amiga OS is my favorate OS of all time also, but in todays time, is playing catchup, and is behind in many areas when compared to other major desktop Operating Systems. The only area I see it can fill is being used in small lower powered devices, because it is so light weight. It would allow you to do basic things such as play music, Internet functions, etc (90% of the things users do). This could be done on something as simple as a Mini-ITX G3/G4.
Your said:
“Why use a Mac when you can do all the same stuff on A wintel box?”
Ohh please, don’t get me started on this one. I support 1500 Windows desktops where I work (Windows NT, Windows 2000, and Windows XP) and I can tell you I don’t enjoy working with Windows, nothing but problems. Just recent on my home system I applied a patch and 100% CPU was being used after I rebooted. Removed it and found out it was a known problem because of IPSec (still have to leave that patch off). That is one of hundreds of things I run into with Windows (and this is on Dell, Compaq, etc hardware, not junk hardware thrown together).
Second, a major reason to use the Mac over Windows is UNIX. Cygwin works for a few things, but it slow (I use the Free X86 from Cygwin all the time). MAC is a true Unix, and I have grown to respect Unix. I help manage the Solaris systems where I work, and they are rock solid even when they get hit hard, and support 4 Terabytes + data.
So MAC is a true Unix and has a VERY nice GUI (better then the Linux/Unix ones I have tried), and doesn’t have Windows problems. These are the major reason why I would use MAC plan and simple over Windows. Who knows maybe Longhorn will be a Windows OS I can use, but the current Windows can drive me nuts.
You said:
Oh yes, Running OS4 native on an modern laptop. nuff said!
This one I agree with like I said before. This would be a good area for those lower powered MAC laptops, since like I said above, this is what Amiga is good at, being a lean and efficent OS.
Don’t get me wrong, I would use Amiga OS (I grew up on it), but looking at it today, it would have to be SMALL, LOW POWER, QUIET, and be used only for the simple things I mentioned above. The thing that fills this niche is the Mini-ITX Amiga, or running on a old MAC laptop. I don’t know of another OS that could do as well as Amiga on low powered Mini-ITX systems or low powered laptops.
@Lemmy,
Whats wrong with using a small efficent OS on more powerful hardware?. It will be interesting to see the feel of OS4 on the same spec machine that is running OSX. I guess I’m just spoiled by AmigaOS because it has been the most quick & responsive OS I’ve ever used. I think about it evertime I click “my computer” and it takes Windows forever to find all drives.
As for OSX, It’s sluggish on anything lower than A 500 mhz G4, 256mb or ram, And a middle range graphics card.
Nothing wrong with a small efficent OS on more powerful hardware. Just better suited for what it is good at, a small, lower powered machine. I don’t know what could be better for a Mini-ITX then Amiga OS and a PPC.
I do agree, Amiga has always been the most quick and responsive system I have used. I am with you on the fact Windows grinds to a halt when it does network activity, like it don’t want you to do anything else when you open your drives, or goto “My Network”.
I do agree OSX can be considered sloggish when compared to Amiga, but think it holds its own when compared to Windows. OSX does alot of complex things also (like with the PDF display output), so will require more. Like I said before, it will only get faster with updates and also using the GPU for more functions.
What Amiga needs is software (like what you said you needed Mac Apps: After Effects,Final cut pro, Safari.) That is a major problem, the OS is still able, but the support for big name software is lacking. I just don’t see anything happening in this area anytime soon, especially after you see how long it have taken OS X to get where it is at with all the software available.
Trust me, I want Amiga to go somewhere in the big desktop area, but just don’t see that happening.