Among the products SCO announced were version 7.1.4 of its UnixWare software, accompanied by new editions for small businesses and for embedded devices such as slot machines; updates to calendar and e-mail server software; authentication software to ease login troubles in mixed Unix-Windows environments; and an OpenServer overhaul called Legend, based on the UnixWare kernel.
UnixWare 7.1.4 Released
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SCO burnt quite a few bridges by going after IBM et al over the Linux source code. Not much left of the market SCO bought together with the coders of OpenUNIX.
“SCO burnt quite a few bridges by going after IBM et al over the Linux source code. Not much left of the market SCO bought together with the coders of OpenUNIX.”
baystar gave the best suggestion to them. if you want to litigate do that as a business. with incredible amount of losses any money spend on openunix is waste. what the hell is open about openunix anyway.
goodbye sco. you are history within the next 8 months
Who is going to get that anyway?
“New revenue has been hard to come by for the Lindon, Utah, company. In its most recent quarter, revenue from Unix software products and service declined to $8.4 million from $11.1 million, during the same period last year. Service revenue dropped from $2 million to $1.7 million. SCO attributed the decline to competition from other operating systems, “particularly Linux,” and to lowered computing spending.
The company’s SCOsource effort, which includes its legal actions and its attempt–largely unsuccessful so far–to sell intellectual property licenses to Linux users, could trigger more declines, SCO disclosed in a regulatory filing Monday.
“The decline in our Unix business revenue may be accelerated if industry partners withdraw their support as a result of our SCOsource initiatives and in particular any lawsuits against end users violating our intellectual property and contractual rights,” SCO warned in the filing.
In an effort to make the Unix division profitable, SCO laid off 16 percent of its staff in the quarter ended April 30, the company said in the filing. The number of employees in the division dropped from 329 on April 30, 2003, to 263 on April 30, 2004, SCO said in the filing. “
Who is going to get that anyway?
Who would want to do business with a company that makes business from lawsuits and FUD’s?
Who is basing their IT infrastructure on SCO at this point? It would seem incredibly risky to predicate any strategy on the technology from a firm that could get vaporized very quickly. SCO’s practices are a better argument for the power of open source than anything else – look what happens when you tie yourself to a vendir and then that vendor gets steamrolled.
“Who would want to do business with a company that makes business from lawsuits and FUD’s?…”
Who the hell would want to do business with a company now known for turning on their own customers? I want to know what corporate PHB bubblehead would recommend ANYTHING by this company based on this fact alone.
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Who is basing their IT infrastructure on SCO at this point? It would seem incredibly risky to predicate any strategy on the technology from a firm that could get vaporized very quickly.
Suppose a company has predicated their IT infrastructure on SCO. If/when SCO vaporizes as a company, who if anyone will buy out their products and code? Is it possible that a Sun or an IBM would buy out SCO? Just curious…
What’s almost sad is that for all I know, UnixWare might be a fine OS that’ll probably die because of the mismanagment of SCO. And I somehow doubt they’ll BSD-license it with their last breaths.
“The Small Business Edition starts at $599 for a perpetual license, SCO said.”
Add one hundred dollars and you get the price they were quoting for their Linux license! Wonderful. Absolutely wonderful! 😉 And:
“The decline in our Unix business revenue may be accelerated if industry partners withdraw their support as a result of our SCOsource initiatives and in particular any lawsuits against end users violating our intellectual property and contractual rights,” SCO warned in the filing.
You don’t say! Now why would that be?
I keep getting reminded of Cyril Kornbluth’s “The Little Black Bag” every time I read about The SCO Group’s misadventures in the wilds of litigation – you know, that savage little bit at the end where :
Angie smiled with serene confidence a smile that was to shock hardened morgue attendants. […]
Kornbluth, Cyril M.
The Little Black Bag
http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/lit-med/lit-med-db/webdocs/webdescrips/…
For those of us that still do business with SCO, such as yours truly, UnixWare 7.1.4 is for existing customers. Just because you guys are upset with them for going after IBM and Linux doesnt mean that everyone is. As for what they have against Linux, my advice is: Dont count your eggs before they hatch, you never know with a jury trial how things are going to go. Will SCO die, nope, as long as they have customers that keep coming back. I think Canopy would absorb SCO before anything happened such as closing doors.
“For those of us that still do business with SCO, such as yours truly, UnixWare 7.1.4 is for existing customers. Just because you guys are upset with them for going after IBM and Linux doesnt mean that everyone is. As for what they have against Linux, my advice is: Dont count your eggs before they hatch,”
you mean you actually support sco after all the absurd stuff like they said like gpl being unconstitional. regardless of linux and their litigation sco has zero stuff on their box to sustain them..
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=1y
see that landslide. that shows you how long sco will live.
Umm, its ok to count your eggs before they hatch, its the chickens you shouldn’t count.
SCO will certainly die if IBM’s patent countersuits make it impossible for them to ship Unixware/Openserver because of infringements, and by their own insane logic, then you, as their customer are also liable for this.
Dont count your eggs before they hatch, you never know with a jury trial how things are going to go.
What jury trial would that be? The Federal judge is indicating SCO has no basis to even claim ownership of the Unix copyright.
Both AutoZone and DC serve as examples that once you patronize SCO, you will forever be on its list of potential target for litigation.
“For those of us that still do business with SCO, such as yours truly, UnixWare 7.1.4 is for existing customers. Just because you guys are upset with them for going after IBM and Linux doesnt mean that everyone is.”
I don’t think it has so much to do with being upset. SCO is focusing on lawsuits right now, and to get the money to do that they fire their technichans. Who is going to give you support? And even if they win some of their Linux cases, they will be tied up in courts with counter suits for years.
Besides SCO do everything in their power to prevent any copyright infrignments being rectified, so they are not likely to get much damages fuel all these countersuits as they do not try to mitegate the damages created by the infrignements.
This legal business hurts both Linux and SCO. But if you are going to do business with one of the two, do you chose one that are in the habit of taking their customers to court and where you pay high licence fees or one that is free and less hostile?
So you are right SCO may take Linux out, but it will almost certainly die in the process. If you are a potential SCO customer, this is not about counting unhatched eggs. It’s about risk management.
>> Who is going to get that anyway?
>> Who would want to do business with a company
>> that makes business from lawsuits and FUD’s?
The “other platform” marketing giant in Redmond?
Ok, this thread is not to debate the legal crap regarding SCO. It’s about their OS. they do have basis for copyright as you can easily look over the contracts between novell and see for yourself.
I personally welcome the openserver version based on unixware. SCO will eventually phase out openserver
The above said it all. We have SCO system running with 100% annual uptime here. However, it look like we will never buy any SCO’s products in the future because the risk is there that SCO legal team will come after us for what we have developed on it and later claim it belong to them as what they claim their licences stated.
Greed will just lead to nowhere!!!!
“It’s about their OS. they do have basis for copyright as you can easily look over the contracts between novell and see for yourself.
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they dont. look at the reading
“Here’s what the judge says:
“The Amendment also contains no transfer language in the form of ‘seller hereby conveys to buyer.’ Given the similarly ambiguous language in the APA with respect to the transfer of assets — seller ‘will’ sell, convey, assign, and buyer ‘will’ purchase and acquire — it is questionable on the face of the documents whether there was any intention to transfer the copyrights as of the date the amendment was executed. Moreover, the use of the term ‘required’ in Amendment No. 2 without any accompanying list or definition of which copyrights would be required for SCO to exercise its rights in the technology is troublesome given the number of copyrighted works involved in the transaction. There is enough ambiguity in the language of Amendment No. 2 that, at this point in the litigation, it is questionable whether Amendment No. 2 was meant to convey the required copyrights or whether the parties contemplated a separate writing to actually transfer the copyrights after the ‘required’ copyrights were identified. Therefore, this is not a case where the court can immediately conclude that there is a writing under Section 204(a).”
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so you are wrong as usual
“who cares what the judge says, I SAID LOOK AT THE CONTRACTS. YOU ARE SO NICE TO ME SOOO DAMN NICE”
what the judge says matters. the judges interpret the contracts and what they say is legally binding. this is the basis for any contract. learn the basics – law 101
who cares what the contract says huh?
If it wassn’t for F/OSS software there would be no enhancements to any SCO products. Nearly every new feature is a new feature from an OSS project.
Second
If you read the APA, the admendment 2, The SEC filings for TSCO. what TSCO bought is constantly referred to as the “UNIX Business” Not Unix, not Copyrights, but Business. You can run a business using someone else’s copyrights, as long as you permission. TSCO had an addtional line of permission and that was the ability to create dervivative works. Still you don’t need the orginial Copyrights, as long as the owner is in a contract to allow you to do so.
Most of the comparisons made between UnixWare and other Unix-like operating systems have shown that there are no good reasons to use UnixWare at all, apart from being already committed to that product.
How come customers have never told SCO publicly that their OS was way overpriced for what it has to offer ?
” you mean you actually support sco after all the absurd stuff like they said like gpl being unconstitional. regardless of linux and their litigation sco has zero stuff on their box to sustain them.. ”
Does it look like it has anything to do with me? No, I could care less. By the time this is all over said and done the attorneys will have this all worked out and I get to go on with life. I dont care about politics and I dont care about the GPL. If its found invalid so be it, if it isnt found to be invalid, great.
” The above said it all. We have SCO system running with 100% annual uptime here. However, it look like we will never buy any SCO’s products in the future because the risk is there that SCO legal team will come after us for what we have developed on it and later claim it belong to them as what they claim their licences stated.
Greed will just lead to nowhere!!!! ”
This only applies if you are a source licensee or if you use any Unix source code. My company has developed software for UnixWare and OpenServer and SCO has yet to come after us. As long as you play by the rules and dont use cut & paste you are safe.
Will SCO die, nope, as long as they have customers that keep coming back.
So are you and SCO’s other customer going to be paying their millions of dollars in lawyers’ and court fees, fines, operating costs, etc?
You sure do have a funny view of the world. A company doesn’t just stay around because you personally would like it to.
“This only applies if you are a source licensee or if you use any Unix source code. My company has developed software for UnixWare and OpenServer and SCO has yet to come after us. As long as you play by the rules and dont use cut & paste you are safe.”
You are such a troll. What company would that be and what software would that be? Would you kindly point us to the links where we may purchase this software?
And by implication, you are saying that SCO is a perfectly rational company that does not attack people with unfounded claims. SCO would have proceeded with their copyright infringment case if this was about cutting and pasting, which it cannot be done between different OSes, at least not easily. It shows how much you really know about kernel development.
Don’t you have anything better to do than to create an uproar with lies and innuendo? Do you get paid to do this?
“Don’t you have anything better to do than to create an uproar with lies and innuendo? Do you get paid to do this?”
You figured it out too? There are so many on these forums astrotufing, just like this one.
“I dont care about the GPL. If its found invalid so be it, if it isnt found to be invalid, great.”
Well, now since your opinion opposes others you will probably be called names, called ignorant, a troll and other things.
Good times, eh?
They keep getting setbacks in the various lawsuits they’re involved it…they have yet to provide proof of IBM taking code out of AIX to put it into Linux…they keep asking for delays…they might not own the UNIX copyrights after all…their stock has plumetted…their financial bakcers have begun to desert ship…even their star lawyers seem less interested, with other firms taking the relay in some cases…
The outlook for SCO is even more grim than it was one year ago, when it bluffed its way onto the front page of the IT News sites, and yet you’ll still find true believers who still figure out they have a chance to see their charade go through.
Either that, or some people here are simply too proud to admit that they might have been wrong…
“They keep getting setbacks in the various lawsuits they’re involved it..”
Everyone one of which SCO themselves created.
“they have yet to provide proof of IBM taking code out of AIX to put it into Linux.”
They already have some AIX & Dynix code, but still can’t find evidence of copying, so they ask the court for more. The question is, if you have no evidence, why bring suit?
“they keep asking for delays”
They asked for Redhat case to be delayed until IBM is decided, then asked that IBM case be delayed until AutoZone is decided, which makes no legal sense. They seek to create a chain of lawsuits with circular dependencies but the judges aren’t that stupid.
“their stock has plumetted”
And has almost returned to the market value it had before this whole pump ‘n dump stock scheme started. The stock price should fall even lower than before the lawsuits were filed, given the patent countersuits IBM, the undisputed king of patents, has filed.
“their financial bakcers have begun to desert ship”
Their financial backers shorted that stock the day they invested I bet. I doubt they lost money on the deals.
“The outlook for SCO is even more grim than it was one year ago”
Netcraft confirms and whatnot.
“Either that, or some people here are simply too proud to admit that they might have been wrong…”
Naa, it is just an attempt to limit Linux market share until Longhorn is released.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=1y&s=SCOX&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=IBM
How does Unixware perform VS other *Nix platforms.
Is it on par with Solaris? Better? In what way…
The politics behind SCO is something I could care less about, that’s where http://www.marxists.org and /. users can do their thang.
Can someone enlighten me on the technical parts?
SCO will end up bankrupt. An absurd end for absurd claims. EOF.
I wonder if this is the same roberto who claimed to go long on scox, when scox was around $10?
>>UnixWare 7.1.4 is for existing customers.<<
I agree with that, the upgrade is designed to try and hold on to their existing customers, not to get new customers.
>>Just because you guys are upset with them for going after IBM and Linux doesnt mean that everyone is.<<
Maybe you’ve been living in a cave? Scox is the most hated tech company on earth, ever surpassing msft.
>>you never know with a jury trial how things are going to go<<
There will be no jury trial. Scox is fighting like made to get the case delayed – and for good reason. It is clearly evident that this case will never make it past discovery. The obvious fact is that scox simply does not have the evidence that scox should have had 15 months ago when scox first filed the case. After 15 months and two court orders, scox has still not produced a shred of evidence. Scox also doen’t have enough money to make it through the trial.
>>Will SCO die, nope, as long as they have customers that keep coming back.<<
FACT: scox unix revenues have been declining since day one. Even scox admits to that. Customers are leaving – in droves. UNIX revenues down about 90% compared to last year.
>>I think Canopy would absorb SCO before anything happened such as closing doors.<<
And inherent all scox’s lawsuits? IBM has sued scox on about four patents, if canopy absorbs scox, then IBM could drive canopy into bankruptcy.
when ibm win….
will they be given sco products (UnixWare 7.1.4) will they then open source it
just as an ironic twist…
if there are problems they are very friendly with novell etc they could offer another little drip of dosh
just for the fun…
“This only applies if you are a source licensee or if you use any Unix source code. My company has developed software for UnixWare and OpenServer and SCO has yet to come after us. As long as you play by the rules and dont use cut & paste you are safe.”
Tell that to AutoZone.
” “This only applies if you are a source licensee or if you use any Unix source code. My company has developed software for UnixWare and OpenServer and SCO has yet to come after us. As long as you play by the rules and dont use cut & paste you are safe.”
Tell that to AutoZone. ”
Well lets look at what Autozone did, they quit paying the UNIX libraries license and kept the product anjd continued to develop software and deploy said software on those libraries without paying royalties. Any proprietary vendor would have sued them as well.
Well lets look at what Autozone did, they quit paying the UNIX libraries license and kept the product anjd continued to develop software and deploy said software on those libraries without paying royalties. Any proprietary vendor would have sued them as well.
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dont believe that crap. SCO lied. autozone has stopped using sco for a long time
We are still waiting for you to point to us which software products “your company” produces that run on SCO’s servers?
Of course, you won’t, because you are just an astroturfer. I wish there were more accountability in cyberspace so that people like you could not get away with lying in a public forum and would actually be held accountable for misleading others.
dont believe that crap. SCO lied. autozone has stopped using sco for a long time
Don’t waste your breath on Roberto. He started by saying that SCO might have a case, but now he’s backing them up every chance he gets (despite the fact that they’re obviously going to lose). I think it’s just part of his personal war on Linux…
“This only applies if you are a source licensee or if you use any Unix source code.”
Like Daimler Chrysler? They haven’t used SCO for 7 years and were never a source code licensee. Can you explain why they are being sued? Can you explain why everyone who IS being sued by SCO asks them for a clarification of what the suit is about (and can’t get an answer)? The magistrate judge is still waiting for SCO to explain what their suit against IBM is about and the supervising judge is preparing to rule that they have no IP that IBM could have contributed improperly.
It’s obvious that you aren’t very up to date on what’s going on with their suits and that your bluffing and spouting of SCO party line isn’t fooling anyone. You should cut your losses and return to discussing the software. It will save you a lot of time responding to points you can’t refute if you don’t make assertions you obviously can’t back up.
SCO is famous for stability and near-endless uptime and has been the darling of the small to medium business niche market since they started up. True, some large corporations use their OS as well. It’s also true that they have slid downhill financially since being taken over by Caldera/Canopy/Yarro, but that’s not an OS issue, it’s a survival issue.
Speaking of survival: You weren’t planning on using GCC to develop or maintain any software were you? Support for all SCO OSs has been removed from GCC and 7.1.4 doesn’t include GCC.
Caveat emptor! (Et developor too, buddy!)
I posted that Daimler Chrysler was never a source code licensee. From what I have seen posted on Novell’s web site this is incorrect. However, like the President, I stand by all my *other* mis-statements.