Opera Software released a new version of Opera browser which brings a security fix and in addition:Various stability improvements, redirecting links correctly marked as visited, initial support for quoting selected text in messages, solved problem with duplicate addresses when using “Reply all”.
All changelogs here.
And last (but not least): The US edition of PC World has unveiled the 2004 winners of its annual World Class Awards, with Opera 7.23 gaining the title as best Web browser. More information here.
On other browser news, OmniGroup published OmniWeb 5.0-b7.
Opera may be the fastest and most up-to-date browser on the web but they sure don’t keep up with the latest OS’es in the download section. No FC1/2, No SuSE9.1, no Mandrake10. Who still runs Redhat7, SuSE7, Mandrake8?
Kids,dont stay up 2 days in a row and try to use the internet,it’s bad for your health.(clicked the button to early).
Its good to hear that opera is moving along,but personly I don’t use opera anymore (firefox won me over). Though it looks as if my veiw might change with it apprently being named best browser. Anyone got some good reason why i might switch again ? (I know this ins’t a major release,but I haven’t been using opera for a while).
I realise this is not the Opera support forum, but if someone here knows a fix for it, I would greatly appreciate it.
I installed this version, and it does not seem to play well with McAfee Enterprise 7.1.x which is also installed on my machine. For some unknown reason, launching the program with autoprotect enabled takes the CPU usage to around 60% with McAfee using up all those resources for apparently no reason.
I have been using opera 7.23 since the day a nasty bug (after a windows crash) made the mozilla browser freeze every 3 minutes for me….
And I have been having regrets ever since….
If only mozilla could work for me again….
Btw, I don’t think that opera is faster than mozilla.
When I click on a bookmarks for multiples signets…Mozilla get them faster and refresh them ….Opera doesn’t refresh ’em …it uses the cached web pages…bah..
My opionion: I like both. And while Im running Linux desktop, I just like to have 3 browsers. My friend, who use my computer from time to time prefers Opera. I prefer Mozilla, and not because any extra features. I just used to it. My girlfriend, OTOH, uses only Konqueror. I have never experience Opera crash with Mozilla, and they co-exists quite often on my desktop.
Please. Some of us just can’t upgrade OS every 1-2 years.
We still run Redhat 7.3 (with latest updates from Fedoralegacy.org). I bet many people still do, and I know some which still run RH6.x.
RH73 is released in 2002, 3 years _newer_ than Windows 2000. There are still multitudes of Win2k (and even NT4!) users.
Good, they really need to fix stability issues with Opera. Opera 7.50 crashes on me more often than IE6 on Windows, and far more often than Mozilla on Linux. Btw, I have never been able to crash Mozilla 1.7 so far, it’s rock solid. Opera, on the other hand, … crashes are becoming the daily life for Opera users.
Eh, the crash must be more like the problems are on your system instead Opera. I don’t get any of crash on almost all platforms (FreeBSD, Linux and Windows) since 7.x Final versions.
“Btw, I don’t think that opera is faster than mozilla.
When I click on a bookmarks for multiples signets…Mozilla get them faster and refresh them ….Opera doesn’t refresh ’em …it uses the cached web pages…bah.. ”
Right said mate. it really is annoying if you visit news site twice or three times a day.
I find that there are some web pages that crash Opera. Sometimes they are consistent, other times only in certain situations. Most of the pages were doing odd things in the on_load/unload scripts that was breaking it as far as I could tell, but its hard to say.
For the most part though Opera is by far the fastest browser on my system. I tend to use a lot of tabs though, and I find them significantly faster in opera than any other browser.
The best upgrade so far was the one that introduced the javascript console, but every upgrade has seen significant improvements.
Qt static version is good for every OS.
Opera 7.51 is also available for FreeBSD
Opera 7.51 for FreeBSD i386, English (US) version
http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=freebsd
“When I click on a bookmarks for multiples signets…Mozilla get them faster and refresh them ….Opera doesn’t refresh ’em …it uses the cached web pages…bah.. ”
Right said mate. it really is annoying if you visit news site twice or three times a day.”
Tools->Preferences->History and Cache->Check Documents: Always.
Fixed.
If you don’t know how to customize programs to suit your needs, maybe Mozilla or Firefox really are for you.
I switched to opera 2 weeks ago. I tried the trial, I forget why, but it was on my computer for testing web pages.
Anyway, I don’t think Firefox is slow, but the responsiveness of Opera was just amazing to me. So much snappier than Firefox. I am not talking about rendering speed, just UI responsiveness. Both render very fast quickly.
For smaller and lower-memory systems, Opera can’t be beat. Switching tabs in it is a snap, other browsers need to use the swap file. Opera also has far superior tab management to any browser and is much more customizable than any other, including Konqueror.
Opera is undoubtedly faster than any other browser for Solaris, but still suffers from Java problems, applets are displayed in an orphaned window outside the browser.
Additionally it has trouble with certain html codes and just displays ? ? instead of, for example ” ”
It also stalls a lot which rather negates the faster rendering. Overall I don’t think the Opera team devote as much attention to the Solaris version as they do Linux and Windows, presumably because of the smaller user base.
I bought 7.5 for Solaris but have reverted to Mozilla because of the above unfixed bugs
I don’t doubt that some people are having stability problems with O7.5, but I think it must be caused by something else on their system.
I’ve been running Opera continuously since 7.5 was released and so far I haven’t had a single crash. I’m sure there are still some pages that can crash it, but despite heavy browsing with multiple windows open I haven’t encountered any for months.
I’ve been playing with the latest versions of Firefox and a couple of other browsers. With multiple windows open Opera is significantly faster and uses less system resources. But Opera’s GUI is the main thing that keeps me using it, it’s the only browser that I can customise to be exactly how I want. Opera still has far superior window management (Choice of MDI/SDI/tabs, window session saving, linked windows, windows hotlist panel, mouse gestures, etc.) which I find essential for heavy web browsing. Even with all the extensions available for Firefox it doesn’t come close IMO.
Have any other Opera Linux users had troubles with Flash? I’ve never been able to get it to work w/o crashing.
Opera may be the fastest and most up-to-date browser on the web but they sure don’t keep up with the latest OS’es in the download section. No FC1/2, No SuSE9.1, no Mandrake10. Who still runs Redhat7, SuSE7, Mandrake8?
This wouldn’t be a problem if Linux have had a bit of backward compatibility and compatibility between distributions. I mean, look at the download page. There are 13 different packages for Linux. For Windows, just one is enough. It doesn’t matter if you’re running Win95 or WinXP. Why is it not the same with, say, RedHat 2.0 and Fedora Core 2?
Yet somehow when someone suggests that the current package distribution techniques need to change, people jump up and down and start saying things like, “apt-get opera”, “URPMI”, etc, etc. They will even talk about how wonderful things are compared to “DLL hell”. Its almost comical at times.
It is clear to me anyway that until GNU/Linux distros get serious about LSB and Freedesktop.org etc, etc and make them cover even more aspects, distributing binary apps on linux will be a nightmare.
I’m not entirely sure what the reason is, but FireFox is the slowest browser on FreeBSD. It takes ages to load pages, and the pulldown address bar doesn’t retain history (irritatingly just like Konqueror under FreeBSD since whatever shiped with 4.8).
If you’re a FreeBSD/DragonFly user, use Opera in preference over these other two :-(damned shame, as Konqueror was my favorite).
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH… FRENCH CANADIAN !!
Title say all !
I have used Opera for five years…MultiTab is more speedy than all other browser !!! Try opening 50 tab and you will see that opera has a better gestion of windows.
The M2 engine is great…the search feature for mail and news group is “formidable”
The secret : Try it for two week, after using it , you will be assimilated !
Eh, the crash must be more like the problems are on your system instead Opera. I don’t get any of crash on almost all platforms (FreeBSD, Linux and Windows) since 7.x Final versions.
<p>Or the different websites we visit. 🙂 Which still shows that Opera is less rock solid than Mozilla.
My problem with Opera (this doesn’t apply to the widows version) is the font rendering with the static QT for the menus and dialog boxes is terrible, and the shared QT never worked for distros like Slackware. Check out this picture and see for yourself.
http://www.blackcluster.net/OperaFonts.jpg
The fonts in the page a very nice however.
What makes Opera so useful is not that it’s the fastest browser. In fact, I think Opera is shifting its tagline from “Opera – the fastest browser on earth” to “Opera – simply the best Internet Experience.”
What makes Opera so precious is its usability. The new tagline is correct, it’s simply the best Internet experience. Keyboard shortcuts for everything, changing important flags/preferences with a single keyboard key or mouse click, gestures, etc. No other browser has even neared Opera in this respect.
Several of my personal must-haves: 1) turn image on-off with ‘G’ (useful for those heavy websites which I have to browse using dialup connection); 2) turn on/off website’s CSS with ‘Ctrl-G’ (useful for those stupid websites which use the exact same color for nonvisited and visited link, dammit I really hate that!); 3) List all links with ‘Ctrl-J’ (Mozilla has this too, but you need to press Ctrl-I + click Links tab, and even then there’s no Copy button or anything); 4) Open all bookmark folder items; 5) Zoom!
“Why is it not the same with, say, RedHat 2.0 and Fedora Core 2?”
you are simple crazy. there is no way something like that could be pulled off considering the amount of changes in the linux world. Linux is not a desktop platform or same as windows. gtk,qt etc just started concentrating on abi stability. there is no viable isp platform yet.
After making 7.5 beta for OS X my default browser I just purchased 7.51. (I promised myself that as soon as a completed version for 7.5 came out I’d support further development.)
I had insane unholy love for 7.5beta, and my only complaint about 7.51 is that I don’t like the colorscheme of the toolbar. Oh well … Off to skin.
I agree whole heartedly that this is simply the best internet experience. The Windows version resists a lot of crapware, and any flavor of Opera is supercustomizable.
Just take a look at Tools | Preferences | Fonts…
@llyd: Well said… well said 😉
Is that do-able?
“I’m not entirely sure what the reason is, but FireFox is the slowest browser on FreeBSD. It takes ages to load pages, and the pulldown address bar doesn’t retain history (irritatingly just like Konqueror under FreeBSD since whatever shiped with 4.8).
If you’re a FreeBSD/DragonFly user, use Opera in preference over these other two :-(damned shame, as Konqueror was my favorite).”
the maintainer of the freebsd port messed it up. read the forum posts about it. firefox works pretty well when build up from source
the maintainer of the freebsd port messed it up. read the forum posts about it. firefox works pretty well when build up from source
I haven’t been keeping up with the FreeBSD lists lately, thanks for the headsup.
“Just take a look at Tools | Preferences | Fonts…”
You can change the fonts, but you cannot change the rendering….
Simon
I wanted to comment for those that have used 7.23, that 7.5 is such a significant upgrade that I think it could have been a new major revision. Quite a few things have been improved, including my only significant problem with 7.23, t it sometimes had trouble displaying pages correctly. It was very rare, but with 7.5 so far I have not had a single unexpected problem. (Unexpected, because I find certain pages on MS’s site don’t seem to be correct with anything but IE.)
I have liked Opera for years, and this is by far (and as it should be) the best version yet.
I don’t think that’s possible, but you can middle click on tabs to close them.
“I don’t think that’s possible, but you can middle click on tabs to close them.”
you can do that tabbrowser extension on firefox btw
I’m not entirely sure what the reason is, but FireFox is the slowest browser on FreeBSD. It takes ages to load pages, and the pulldown address bar doesn’t retain history (irritatingly just like Konqueror under FreeBSD since whatever shiped with 4.8).
If you’re a FreeBSD/DragonFly user, use Opera in preference over these other two :-(damned shame, as Konqueror was my favorite).
I installed Firefox from the ports and is pretty fast on FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE and FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE
Opera is a really good browser, but if they’d spend less time working on the chat program and the lame-ass M2 thing and concentrated more on the browser part, it could be that much better.
Like most PC magazines and their reviews/awards, this should really be titled “best commercial software/hardware that mostly only runs under Windows”. Ironically, Opera was one of the very few products they listed that has a native Linux version.
The PC World awards were mostly laughable – they seemed to think that everyone has oodles of cash to spare, so it’s “Best of 2004 if money is absolutely no object for you” and wholly unrealistic really. $4600 for a PC to play games on – you can do that on a machine a quarter of the price.
Last laugh has to be “best firewall” – Zone Alarm Pro might have been good in the past, but just as this mag gives out the award to it, they release a *disastrous* version that is going to lose them a lot of users (see download.com – and search for “ZoneAlarm 5” and read their user reviews linked to from the product page – it’s currently only got a 34% rating!).
“Opera is a really good browser, but if they’d spend less time working on the chat program and the lame-ass M2 thing and concentrated more on the browser part, it could be that much better.”
thats the difference between the mozilla suite and firefox. i think opera should also release a similar version.
“Opera is a really good browser, but if they’d spend less time working on the chat program and the lame-ass M2 thing and concentrated more on the browser part, it could be that much better.”
thats the difference between the mozilla suite and firefox. i think opera should also release a similar version.
You can disable them as well by via the GUI, the perferences. Another way is edit the ini file. Have this option is pointless for Opera developers to create a seperate tarball of it.
Have any other Opera Linux users had troubles with Flash? I’ve never been able to get it to work w/o crashing.
No problem here on FreeBSD, using Opera Linux version and Flash 7 Linux version. I have another machine that has Slackware and no problem too.
I like Opera and I use it as my main browser on Linux. But I do not like the following things in Opera (those problems do not exist in the Windows version):
– Fonts (Opera has trouble if you have installed serval thousend fonts on your system)
– Fonts (Again! Opera has trouble with cyrilic and chinese characters. As soon as you open pages with those character sets, the rendering of the page is terribly slow)
– Download dialog (If you copy a text from the web page and then download something from that web page and in the save as dialog you create a new directory and then you paste the copied text to the new directory name, then Opera creates that directory and automaticly sorts the dialog with the direcoties. In Windows, Opera stays on that directory, but not in Linux)
– Startup speed (It is slooow. Working with Opera is fast, but starting it takes to much time)
– Static binding (This static motif stuff kills me! I have always unresolved symbols in Opera. Openmotif? Lesstif? What to use and wich revision?)
Beside that: Opera is the best browser I know. The speed is terrific. Menu handling is great. Keybinding is great. Integrated download manager is very usefull. etc etc
“You can disable them as well by via the GUI, the perferences. Another way is edit the ini file. Have this option is pointless for Opera developers to create a seperate tarball of it.”
editing ini files is a lame excuse for not giving an option during installation.
Try `qtconfig`.
“editing ini files is a lame excuse for not giving an option during installation.”
You don’t need to edit ini files, just go to preferences and deselect ‘enable mail and chat’. Every trace of the mail and chat components will be removed from the Opera GUI, you don’t even need to restart the browser.
Actually I don’t know why I’m bothering to repeat this, the poster you were responding to mentioned it already. You even quoted him saying that you could turn off mail and chat using the prefs. Yet you still responded with this BS about ini files.
It looks to me like you’re just a lame excuse for an anti-Opera troll.
“You don’t need to edit ini files, just go to preferences and deselect ‘enable mail and chat’. Every trace of the mail and chat components will be removed from the Opera GUI, you don’t even need to restart the browser. ”
you didnt even read me. its still installed even if i dont see it. i dont want to install it at all. i just need a browser. the bloody installation should have a choice/.
“you didnt even read me. its still installed even if i dont see it. i dont want to install it at all. i just need a browser. the bloody installation should have a choice/.”
Why? Give me one good reason why this is a big deal when Opera is still far smaller than pure browsers like Firefox?
You can’t see the mail and chat when they’re turned off and they take up nearly no space. Their existence doesn’t effect you in any way, so what’s your problem?
This is like complaining that you can’t chose not to install tabs and popup blocking when you install Firefox, it’s ridiculous. If this is the worst problem you can find with Opera then your complaining is pretty pathetic.
I don’t know how, but I forgot to include FreeBSD.. Apologize for my mistake…:-(
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This is like complaining that you can’t chose not to install tabs and popup blocking when you install Firefox, it’s ridiculous. If this is the worst problem you can find with Opera then your complaining is pretty pathetic.”
just because its not a problem for you its pathetic?. how nice. are you aware that there are extensions in firefox to disable tabs and allows popups?
well i wouldnt choose to install these extensions but obviously a few people find them useful. so much for your logic
“just because its not a problem for you its pathetic?. how nice.”
I don’t see how it can possibly be a serious problem for anyone, I think it’s just you who’s got the problem. Maybe if you actually give me one good reason why this matters you’ll change my mind.
“are you aware that there are extensions in firefox to disable tabs and allows popups?”
Provide links to these extensions.
Do these extensions completely remove the code for tabs and popup blocking from Firefox? I very much doubt it. I imagine that those features are simply disabled by the extensions, just like Opera’s preferences can disable mail and chat.
“well i wouldnt choose to install these extensions but obviously a few people find them useful. so much for your logic”
Provide links to show that these extensions exist and that they actually remove the code rather than just disabling the features. Maybe then you’ll actually have something like a valid point.
for web sites.. you know… and it is JUST AS FAST, if not faster.. (atleast on my machine)
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“well i wouldnt choose to install these extensions but obviously a few people find them useful. so much for your logic”
Provide links to show that these extensions exist and that they actually remove the code rather than just disabling the features. Maybe then you’ll actually have something like a valid point.”
point is. someone people actually use firefox even when they dont like tabs. i dont see a reason why i should install stuff i wont even use. its not just my problem. see the opera forums.
“point is. someone people actually use firefox even when they dont like tabs.”
So you were lying about the existence of the extensions you mentioned? I hope you realise how much that hurts your credibility.
There are plenty of features in Firefox and other apps that you can’t totally remove, why don’t you have a problem with them?
“i dont see a reason why i should install stuff i wont even use.”
So you use every single feature of Firefox and all the other software you use? There isn’t a single menu item or configuration option that you never touch? Why aren’t you complaining about their installers not giving you a choice of which individual application features are installed? Do you complain about Photoshop not letting you select which specific tools you want installed, or MS Word automatically including a spell checker?
Surely you can see how ridiculous this is?
Why is it such a problem having a couple of features in Opera that you don’t use? Even after all your trolling in every recent thread about Opera you’ve never answered that simple question. Are you really this bothered about less than a megabyte of hard disk space?
“its not just my problem. see the opera forums.”
I read them quite often and since 7.5 has had the option to turn off mail and chat I haven’t seen any complaints. You’ve already lied once in this thread, post some links if you want me to take you seriously.
Your complaing is pretty pathetic. Opera 7.51 is 3.4 MB, that’s half the size of Firefox and with the mail, irc and contacts built in. Does 1 mb really matter so much to your disk space?
Besides, Opera is not just a browser, it is an internet experience. The integration between the applications is like Mozilla should have been, its simply amazing. Mail and other important thigns are easily viewed in the sidebar and also in tabs. Mail, contacts, the bookmark amnager etc. all open in tabs and are built perfectly integrated. The reason Mozilla as a suite failed for the most part is because there was really no user visible deep integration.
My only beef with Opera 7.51 is that it handles only its .opr format for its contacts and .mbs for mail. Many people migrating from other applications would want support for more formats. My dad for example is not switching because he has hundreds of contacts in Mozilla’s Adress Book and it would be a pain to move all those.
‘So you were lying about the existence of the extensions you mentioned? I hope you realise how much that hurts your credibility.
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did you bother to read again. i said peole use firefox with that extension to disable tabs. why do u do a google search instead of accusing me of lying. here let me spoon feed you
http://www.texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/
http://www.texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#tabkiller
go look.
“Do you complain about Photoshop not letting you select which specific tools you want installed, or MS Word automatically including a spell checker?
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mail and browser are too differnet things. now i dont care about ms word. i want opera to do it. thats all
“Besides, Opera is not just a browser, it is an internet experience’
i thought you would call it the second coming of jesus. well
you know what. mozilla is a xul platform. it can have 100 such extensions like amazon browser for example. it has 4 games to demonstrate that capability and opera is integrating this stuff too. see mozillazine.org
“You’ve already lied once in this thread, post some links if you want me to take you seriously.”
how are you so sure of my lying silly. next time someone says something go do a google search before you start accusing like a ignorant person
common guys now don’t fight like child. whoever like opera use opera whoever like mozilla use mozilla. its that simple
“you didnt even read me. its still installed even if i dont see it. i dont want to install it at all. i just need a browser. the bloody installation should have a choice/.”
Why? Give me one good reason why this is a big deal when Opera is still far smaller than pure browsers like Firefox?
Because I am the end user and I say it matters .. that should be reason enough for you, or anyone else.
For me, I think it is the principle of the whole thing more than anything else. Fact is that I’ve got stand-alone applications that have 3-5x the amount of functionality of what Opera offers in their wares. Just like media players that want to bundle CD burning and everything else but the kitchen sink, I’m just tired of companies trying to force-feed me these ‘value add’ extras that I don’t really need. IMHO, if you’re going to build an app, you should do one thing and do it very well, instead of doing one thing very well and then throw a bunch of other crap in the package that is just sub-par.
Just because it’s intergrated doesn’t mean it’s worthwhile.
The extensions you gave are not as far reaching as you expect Opera’s changes to be. They indeed do not remove any code from Firefox. The whole point was to remove the code, not just hide it.
As you very well know Opera too can hide the Mail, IRC, and Chat applications completely from your view. They load on demand anyway so complaining about code bloat is irrelevant. All that your saving yourself by totally removing it is the assurance that you cna never get it back without a reinstall and the loss of less than a MB of optimized code.
Opera’s browser is certainly not sub par and provides every major feature I know and appreciate in Firefox. Name a part of Opera 7.51 that you consider severly lacking.
They bundled Mail and Chat applications because their users asked for them and many would have them open anyway while online. In order to respond to this need, Opera expanded its platform to include an excellent Mail and Chat program that is tightly integrated into the software. This pleases most users and for those that do not wish for such programs, they can simply disable them.
I do not see the logic of your responses and I think you are just too easily influenced by propaganda from GNOME and Firefox without analyzing the reality of Opera. Opera is not monolithic, it is not slow, it is not difficult to use and it can hide funtionality you do not want easily, the cases made for GNOME and Mozilla do not apply to Opera in the same way.
Have a good day!
“did you bother to read again. i said peole use firefox with that extension to disable tabs. why do u do a google search instead of accusing me of lying. here let me spoon feed you”
No, you said that you could totally remove tabs and pop up blocking from Firefox. Those extensions simply disable those features, they’re just like turning off mail and chat in Opera’s preferences. Why aren’t you complaining about not being able to remove all the Firefox features that some people don’t use?
“mail and browser are too differnet things.”
A lot of people would disagree with you. There are plenty of people who use webmail through their browser for example. And there are plenty of people who really like Opera’s mail client.
“i want opera to do it. thats all”
Why not just use it and forget about the tiny amount of space used by the features you don’t use? I could understand you criticising Opera if you were having real problems, or there were features you needed that were missing. But I still don’t get why having <1Mb of features you don’t use is a big problem, especially when most other browsers are much more bloated. To me it seems totally irrational to complain about such a minor thing when it doesn’t really affect how you use the browser.
It is not that opera hides the functionality, it doesn’t load the dll that contains the code for the chat and email apps, so the footprint is small.
If you’re so concern about the email and chat, just delete the dll, Opera won’t complain and will start as a pure browser.
I laugh a lot when I read your posts about optimization and bloatness in Opera when you’re talking about installing plugins (extra code) to hide functionality! so to hide something you need to install an extra bit!
That’s a contradictory functionality! 
Name a part of Opera 7.51 that you consider severly lacking.
Floating menus support. I haven’t been able to dissect exactly why this happens, but those cheezy floating menus that everyone seems to like to use show up properly in both I.E. and Mozilla, yet Opera frequently chokes on them, usually rendering them on top of eachother rather than relative to the button.
Yeah, I’m an Opera user. If you had asked five years ago, I would have said stability. Three years ago I would have said page rendering on non-standard pages. Now I think Opera is pretty darn functional. Hopefully things will only get better.
Every new browser that comes out, I download and try, except IE.
In my opinion, iCab has the best preferences and tools, of all of them, and in terms of speed the only difference is a blink.
Unfortunately, it’s not presently available for any system other than Mac.
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I’d like to thank the person who is complaining that he can’t elect to not install some features in Opera which make it so bloated.
My goodness … the browser plus all of that stuff is less than 4mb and is *still* smaller than firefox.
I needed a good laugh. Thanks.
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No, you said that you could totally remove tabs and pop up blocking from Firefox. Those extensions simply disable those features, they’re just like turning off mail and chat in Opera’s preferences. Why aren’t you complaining about not being able to remove all the Firefox features that some people don’t use?
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i never said such things. you assumed that and saying nonsense. i dont care about firefox or whatever. why the hell cant opera give me an damn option toinstall stuff that i only want. learn to read
“Why aren’t you complaining about not being able to remove all the Firefox features that some people don’t use? ”
like what
It seems to take a while to start up in Mac OS X 10.3.4 on a 1GHz G4 compared to Safari/Mozilla
While I will agree with Opera’s proponents that it has a lot of advantages(small size, speed, feature set) I think that Opera’s rendering for some pages suffers because the webmaster screws refuses to test on Opera or arrogantly blocks Opera as MSN did briefly. You can easily spoof the User agent, but even that doesn’t help when the source html for the page uses proprietary html. Mozilla’s quirks mode in my experience tends to render these pages better. Fortunately webmasters are getting more saavy about creating W3C compliant pages or at the very least pages that are compliant minus minor things like a few missing alt tags.
Provided that you aren’t bothered by the occasional site that is screwed up on Opera it is a great browser. While Opera is gaining popularity and webmaster support ever since the ad-supported edition was released there are still some webmasters that don’t bother testing Opera. The MDI UI is better than Mozilla’s tabbed browsing and feature wise Opera does pretty much everything that Mozilla does with only a 3.4M download. Add Opera’s great security record in the mix and most people would be wise to give Opera a try.
The only strange thing is that since it is June how do we know that there won’t be a new release of Mozilla that passes Opera by? It is a bit early to declare the best of 2004.
“The only strange thing is that since it is June how do we know that there won’t be a new release of Mozilla that passes Opera by? It is a bit early to declare the best of 2004.
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its important that you realise that firefox is about to get a stable release of 1.0 finally after a couple of months and download size is only around 4 mb then.
you are right. its still very early. the competition is just heating up
Opera’s browser is certainly not sub par and provides every major feature I know and appreciate in Firefox.
I meant the chat and mail programs are sub-par, not the browser. I mean, they’re certainly adequate, but nothing I personally have an interest in. As I’ve said, I’ve already got standalone apps that do it better (I do NOT run either a borwser or mail program all the time), and it just annoys me when they try to add on additional programs to the mix that I already have installed – it’s a waste of space. Of course, it’s not so bad with Opera because it’s so small, but as I said .. it’s the principle of the whole thing. I can’t say that it’s ok for Opera to do it and nobody else. Again, we’re not talking about not installing certain features, we’re talking applications here that are completely seperate in functionality than the browser part.
Name a part of Opera 7.51 that you consider severly lacking.
Ummm … how about the ability to allow pop-ups only for certain sites? This is the main reason why I don’t use Opera. As good as the pop-up blocking is, it does block legitimate pages on some sites, and I’m sorry … but F12 just doesn’t cut it.
The other thing missing is the ability to kill ads with the right mouse button. And, as I already stated, I think they waste too much time on the chat/mail part, but if you like using inferior apps, then have at it.
“i never said such things. you assumed that and saying nonsense. i dont care about firefox or whatever.”
I posted:
“This is like complaining that you can’t chose not to install tabs and popup blocking when you install Firefox, it’s ridiculous.”
You responded:
“are you aware that there are extensions in firefox to disable tabs and allows popups?”
Why would you post this if you weren’t trying to say that you could remove these features using the extensions?
IMO you were being intentionally misleading, a typical tactic of trolls without any real point to make.