Bare Feats has some interesting benchmarks to show: Fastest G5 so far to the fastest G4 MP. G5 is much faster on memory operations, but not all operations are faster than the G4. Bare Feats says that until developers optimize their code for the G5, users won’t see G5 being speedier than G4 on all tests. Same thing happens with all new CPUs though, including the P4s which included a new instruction set and developers had to compile for it in order to take advantage of what it really had to offer.
G5/2GHz MP Performance Data compared to the G4/1.42GHz MP
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i laugh. i also laugh at the supporters. i’m not trying to be rude, but you both are idiots. the supporters are biased, and the people who dislike apple have no clue what they are talking about (reminds me of how i used to be.) — personally, i think every platform has its use. in my OPINION: mac os x = desktop, linux = server, palm = handheld, beos/linux = alternate desktop, qnx = hobby os. i support all of these platforms, i’m not a zealot
The article is about G4 versus G5 and people are still whining about the price of a G5.
Have you noticed that the only people that whine about Macs are the PC people that can’t afford one? Get lost already. I am tired of hearing how you MCSEs can’t afford anything.
Hell I don’t even know a single PC user that has an Alienware or FalconNW system. Their more expensive than a Dell but no one complains about them yet no one can afford them either.
Whats your beef? Your just a bunch of haters. Keep on hating and hoping Apple does something stupid and marginalizes their brand by porting to X86. Have fun with Windows. If it wasn’t so bad you wouldn’t whine and pine so much for a Mac or MacOSX.
“It can’t be done for several reasons
1. The <slowest> AMD CPU currently manufactured is the XP2500+ (333MKZ bus). The <slowest> Intel is the 2.4 GHz (533MHz bus)
2. The <slowest> memory currently manufactured is DDR266.”
Ahhh, but you can, you are using the most configurable platform of the two.
“Desktop Macs cost 2-3 times as much as PCs of similar quality on raw performance – that is indisputable.”
Albeit with less features.
“Now Now there is no need to be rude.”
if someone is going to flat out lie, there is reason to be rude.
“Every system crashes it is fact.”
I didn’t say his system never crashed.
“My colleague bought a 12 inch powerbook and he claims it locks up and crashes.”
Im sure it has on rare occation. That’s not the issue at hand.
“Andrew G might have genuine problems with his powermac. I don’t own a mac so can’t be much help to him diagnosing the problem.”
If the problems he describes are genuine, then its an abnormality. Judging by the way he responded there is more reason to believe he’s lying however.
“Yeah, lets make AppleDroid [ Anonymous (IP: 12.105.181.—) ] happy and say that Apple is the greatest…”
Why would you call me an AppleDroid? I haven’t exhibited any behavior which would suggest that I should be given that name. Second, why would you think that saying Apple is the greatest would make me happy?
“IMHO he is not an Apple Zealot (a zealot is ussually a Protos warrior, he is more like a Zerg, a Lurker IMHO).”
A Lurker is someone who visits but never posts. I post frequently…. and yet I am not a zealot or any other names you throw at me. If the best you can do is call me names however, its obvious what your agenda is.
“While he is trying to convince us how great Apple is…”
What?! When have I ever tried to convince you of how great Apple was. All I’ve done is correct the lies and misleading remarks that you and a handful of others have made.
“and also worth the money”
Whether or not you believe it doesn’t make it not so. Again, I’m not trying to convince you of anything other than to get you to stop spreading FUD.
“Apple has great products, I admit”
Why do you have to admit it… as if its something hard to say?
“I see no reason for AppleDroid to continue what he is doing right now.”
Assuming you’re referring to me again… The fact that you don;t see why its necessary that FUD be corrected doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t.
“On the other hand maybe if we wouldn’t comment on Apple topics he could loose hes job???!!!”
What job am I loosing?
“You need to go and read Apple’s own doc’s. The only way you can connect to active directory is by using another Xserver box (Or Mac as a server). I forget the details but it acts as a bridge and is in essence a Hack. Do a seach for mac OSX and active directory you will see there are third party apps to solve the problem to. They all require another mac to be the bridge or whatever. We don’t have enough Mac’s to warrant a server.
No third party hack is required. Perhaps you should read this:
http://www.apple.com/server/pdfs/MacOSXwithActiveDirectory.pdf
“Also for a Mac user you obviously don’t read their web site very closely. Goto point 4 on their list under OS X Panther Server. Read it then come back and apologise.”
Read the above then come back and apologize
“Trust me I was surprised as you that the system would crash so often.”
You’re lying.
“Configuring allows you to take out features. Macs generally don’t have this option.”
Lest anyone misunderstand… you’re talking about at the time of purchase… not after the fact.
“You can’t remove the advanced features of Mac OS X. You can’t remove the iLife software. The hardware isn’t as configurable either. Try buying a Mac with a cheap case. Try buying a Mac without built-in FW or gigabit ethernet.”
You’re right about everything but the gigabit ethernet
“Alright, let’s try this again. I ask some Mac Fan to submit his best apple at the $1000-$2000 price range with a monitor.
A full computer. You decide what’s important.
I will respond with a Dell that’s faster / better.”
The very premise of your comparison is flawed to begin with. The issue is not whether a Mac can be configured in a way that is faster or better, its whether the PC can be configured to match the hardware and software of the Mac at the same or less price.
Lest anyone misunderstand… you’re talking about at the time of purchase… not after the fact.
Well, any computer can have features removed after purchase. It’s called a hacksaw (for hardware) or the delete key (for software)
😛
You’re right about everything but the gigabit ethernet
Yeah….I noticed it after I posted but there’s no edit button. My mind was stuck on PowerMacs at the time
Oh well, I hoped it would slide by but it didn’t
🙂
“Well, any computer can have features removed after purchase. It’s called a hacksaw (for hardware) or the delete key (for software)”
I made a point of clarifying that point because I still come across people that equate Macintosh with the iMac and think all Macs have limited upgradability. ; )
I didn’t say it was better…I meant it is on sale before the G5 and on paper is similarly specced…but single cpu only.
“if someone is going to flat out lie, there is reason to be rude.”
No he did not flatout lie. You claimed he did and were rude.
His post seemed genuine.
“I didn’t say his system never crashed.”
Yes you did. he calimed it crashed and you called him a liar.
“Im sure it has on rare occation. That’s not the issue at hand.”
The issue at hand was that you called someone a liar for caliming his Mac crashed. I pointed out I too have heard similar stories. So the point is pertinent.
“If the problems he describes are genuine, then its an abnormality. Judging by the way he responded there is more reason to believe he’s lying however.”
No he seemed fine. You were rude.
Listen. I like apple too and I am going to buy a powerbook as soon as panther is released. I defended apple products on thier merits. But claiming someone is lying because he claims his mac crashes borders on zealotry.
Every system crashes, even the most reliable systems crash. Every company ships defective (Manufacturing) products sometimes. Apple is no different.
“No he did not flatout lie. You claimed he did and were rude.”
No, I was rude, because he flat out lied.
“His post seemed genuine.”
His post seemed anything but genuine.
“Yes you did. he calimed it crashed and you called him a liar.”
No, he said it crashed every half hour and I called him a liar.
“The issue at hand was that you called someone a liar for caliming his Mac crashed.”
No, the issue at hand was that I called someone a liar for claiming that his Mac crashed every half hour and that several applications frequently brought down the system. Because of this, I called him a liar.
“I pointed out I too have heard similar stories.”
If you’re saying that you have a Mac that has crashed, thats an acceptable claim. If you say that your Mac crashes every half hour and that Applications frequently bring down the whole system… many times a day as he did… then you’re a liar too.
“”No he seemed fine.”
No he did not.
“You were rude.”
Yes I was, and rightfully so.
“claiming someone is lying because he claims his mac crashes borders on zealotry.”
I never said that. I called him a liar not because his mac crashes, but because he said it crashed every half hour and that several applications have been known to bring down the entire system several times a day. Judging the unlikelyhood of this story and his previous posts it has become blatantly obvious that he is lying. Recognizing this fact certainly isn’t zealotry, although ignoring it and calling someone a zealot for correcting it can allow someone to be labeled a troll
“Every system crashes, even the most reliable systems crash.”
I never said otherwise.
“Every company ships defective (Manufacturing) products sometimes. Apple is no different.”
i recognize this although judging by the previous comments, it became more apparent that he was lying
to Andrew G:
Sounds like bad RAM to me.
OS X will crash repeatedly with iffy RAM.
Return it, and get a new stick. If that doesn’t solve it, you may have a hardware problem.
OS X is incredibly stable; it should crash very rarely, if ever.
“I never said that. I called him a liar not because his mac crashes, but because he said it crashed every half hour and that several applications have been known to bring down the entire system several times a day. Judging the unlikelyhood of this story and his previous posts it has become blatantly obvious that he is lying. Recognizing this fact certainly isn’t zealotry, although ignoring it and calling someone a zealot for correcting it can allow someone to be labeled a troll”
BS. It isn’t unlikely that a system can crash every half hour. Bugs exist in every system and can manifest them self in wierd ways. I have seen many cases where only 1 or 2 of 100 systems of the exact same hardware and software config running the same test exhibit a problem and can lead to root cuases of some hairy difficult to reproduce bug.
I guess you would know that if your were a kernel developer or engineer. I see it everyday and it is my job to not discount these issues that only affect a few systems. It is my job to root cause them and fic them. I can’t just call people liars because the system they have exhibits a bug and reproduces it on demand. I call it a boon because once a problem is reproducible it is easier to root cause.
Well based on your responses you don’t seem understand operation systems or software at all. Any app or bunch of apps can cause and OS crashes if they all go through a system call that has a bug in its code path that some how seems to happen only because certain other things have to occur for it to happen. Software though logical isn’t always deterministic and thus can cause illogical things to happen.
Also like someone suggested his problem could be as simple as bad memory. Say all the browser apps he is using map some OS X library into their address space, OS X creats a shared mapping of the library into a page which happens to be at a a location in physical memory which is bad. When any one of the applications access the bad bits in that page boom uncorrectable memory errors and the system goes south.