Mac OS X 10.3, aka Panther, will not be a 64-bit operating system, despite running on a 64-bit processor, the PowerPC 970 aka the G5. Instead, the next major release of the Mac operating system will be a hybrid, much like version 10.2.7, codenamed ‘Smeagol’, which Apple has running on its pre-production Power Mac G5 machines and with which it will almost certainly ship production units, TheRegister reveals. TheRegister also has an article about a possible roadmap of the G5 CPU family. Also, this the second installment of ThinkSecret’s “Inside Panther” series, covering Mac OS X 10.3.
Mac OS X 10.3 Panther Will Not Be a 64-bit OS
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//Your whole case cost less than a good quality power supply. //
Huh? You think you need to spend 500 bucks for a good quality power supply?
What planet are you from?
His whole system was $500. He said his case cost $25(which I assume included a PS). $25 is not enough for a good quality power supply. Obviously, $500 would be a bit much for a power supply.
>>I’ve consistently said that the Mac will either be slightly more expensive, the same price, slightly less expensive, or significantly less expensive when you match the PC’s hardware and software to the exact specifications or as close as possible to the Mac.<<
LOL.
If you have IQ >= 150 go ahead, built your own PC from scratch then install FS/OSS on it. You won’t believe whatever Microsoft says, let alone Apple.
If your IQ = 230 then buy PC/stick with Microsoft OS/Windows Apps. You won’t believe whatever Job says, let alone Mac zealots’.
If your IQ is either slightly more, the same, slightly less, or significantly less than 100, well, go ahead buy those overprized, overhiped Macs. But do’t worship Job, OK!
What do you take issue with? just go to http://www.dell.com.au and look at the extremely crappy software kits they give you with their “consumer” line of desktops. Heck, I remember receiving a better kit when I purchased my Amiga 14 years ago!
[i]I know this looks like I’m avoiding the question, but a comparison like that takes at least a half hour to make sure that both machines are matched accordingly.[i]
Apple dosen’t offer the options that the PC market does. If they did you wouldn’t be beating around the bush right now saying ‘oh you gotta take x and y into account’
I’ve got a simple one for you here. User wants a computer to check email, surf the web and listen to music.
For $600-700 they can buy a PC, download WinAmp and be doing everything they wanted the computer to do. The system will be 2+ ghz. and have plenty of expansion at that price.
Apple offers what that competes with this ? Nothing. Get your head out of your butt.
I know this looks like I’m avoiding the question, but a comparison like that takes at least a half hour to make sure that both machines are matched accordingly.
You are avoiding the question because you don’t have an answer.
Matches accordingly ? Ok so thats an easy one to answer. You can’t buy a stripped down Mac in a tower for under $1000 and thats what I need. Bam. The Mac is more expensive.
End of story
Therefore, if you want to make an accurate comparison, you’re going to have to upgrade that processor to a XEON.
you just keep changing the requirements here.
A Xeon ? Thats not a desktop processor. Isn’t that one of you maccies famous arguments on the G5? Its a desktop system right ?
He proved you wrong how many times? Keep cutting and pasting tough guy. You are just diggin’ a deeper hole
Because it is utter complete crap!
Look slick, PCs ARE less expesive *because when compared to similarly made Apple Computers for less that $800 THERE AREN’T ANY!*
While I become annoyed as HELL by schoolyard Win32 nutcase vitriol, I become *enraged* by idiot Mac “Evangelists” totally riding The Big BS Train.
How in hell can you continue to *ignore* the POINT of the argument?
You CANNOT BUY a MODERN, APPLE SUPPORTED, CURRENTLY MADE Macintosh for anywhere *NEAR* the price of *several* Branded and Semi-Branded Wintel Clones.
Try using your HEAD. This mindless droning is *exactly* what turns off potential Mac Users! Its a great platform, with tons of benefits…
Assuming you want to pay the price to entry. Pretending that there isn’t one, or that it doesn’t matter to people *does* smack of “Kool-Aid drinkin'” son and its really, really sad.
Jesus! I was hoping we got rid of most of your types with the transition to “Evil” OS X.
Well, here’s to hoping.
…attributions again?
*ticktockticktocktick*
Yeah.
Apple has more freakin’ lawyers on staff and retainer than most of us have in Megs of Ram on our computers.
There is NO WAY IN HELL they would have not DRILLED into the head of ANYONE at Apple who could be considered a “credible source” to never utter the words or commit to print “10.3 is/will be a 64bit OS.”
Its what they are paid to do.
So I’m assuming the “Apple Said” part is dropped. Now if the orginal poster of that nonsense could just step up to the mike and *acknowledge* (preferably without adding a bunch of ad hominum commentary) we can get some closure.
You still get to keep your (relevant) Mac Zealot points, however. I play fair.
-K
“As for me, I tend to have a more of a socialist point of view in regards to purchasing a computer. Why spend $3000 on a computer when in 3 years it will be obsolete? why spend $3000 on a machine which is a complete overkill for what your requirements are? I’ve weighed up getting either a G5 or an eMac, and there is NO justification for me to buy a G5 when taking into consideration what I use my computer for.”
Exactly! people are suckered all the time by salespeople selling them machines far in excess of their needs. A 1GHz Celeron is more than enough for most home users.
aherm:
I guess your IQ is less than 70, because you can’t even put your statements in a well organized form. It’s a shame for you to talk about IQ.
That tbe biggest trolls have broadband. These people in question are unlikely to pay for their internet connection whilst the rest of us adults have to pay bills, work and don’t have the luxary of having Mum and Dad paying for internet access.
As for the issue with MacOS, if you dont like it, don’t use it, simple as that.
Now that they can’t complain about the hardware…
the story says Hybrid … instead of just reading the title and think you know everything you may want to read the article…
By Kai Cherry (IP: —.balt.east.verizon.net) – Posted on >2003-07-09 12:15:48
>…attributions again?
>*ticktockticktocktick*
>Yeah.
>Apple has more freakin’ lawyers on staff and retainer than >most of us have in Megs of Ram on our computers.
True. And they are clever, you got a point there.
>There is NO WAY IN HELL they would have not DRILLED into >the head of ANYONE at Apple who could be considered a >”credible source” to never utter the words or commit to >print “10.3 is/will be a 64bit OS.”
Well, they have ways of pushing notions onto people. Otherwise who do you explain Mac zealots and Macmedia reacting surprise about Panther being a 32bit hybrid?
[for example http://www.macnn.com/news/20051&startNumber=10 ]
Not only that but there are Maczealots in this forum that insist that Panther IS a 64bit OS, where do you think they got that notion from?
Now I grant you that Steve Jobs [after some research] did not *directly* stated that Panther will be a 64bit OS, but he certainly insinuated it, and Apple promoted the idea thru press, albeit cleverly indeiractly, they are slick. But I grant you that point, I cannot state that Steve directly lie to people abnout this, perhaps I should have said that Apple/Jobs have mislead people by creating or allowing the impression that Panther unlike smeagol would be 64bit. So I give you your point.
Also you said *credible* sources and explained that press and Maczealots is not a valid source, well do keep in mind that I do not have access to Apple internal Memo’s, so I work with what I have. And again the notion is there that Panther is 64bit OS, could you at least acknowledge that? If so, I ask you where do you think that comes from?
>Its what they are paid to do.
>So I’m assuming the “Apple Said” part is dropped. Now if >the orginal poster of that nonsense could just step up to >the mike and *acknowledge* (preferably without adding a >bunch of ad hominum commentary) we can get some closure.
Dropping the Apple part is like dropiing the M$ part, they both use smoke and mirrors to their advantage. But again I conceded your point.
>You still get to keep your (relevant) Mac Zealot points, >however. I play fair.
>-K
Thank you for that. I have been told by ignorant idiots that the reason I do not own a Mac is because I can’t afford one. Heh. I have machines that are way more expensive than that for profesional use, but with that atitude who wants to join the group and gulp down the kool-aide? 🙂
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“Not only that but there are Maczealots in this forum that insist that Panther IS a 64bit OS, where do you think they got that notion from?”
Not Apple. This is excactly, 100% of the point. Doesn’t *matter* where they THINK they heard it, its not true, it *never* was, and no one at Apple ever said so
See, you, like many other Non-Apple customers, seem to have a bit of a problem separating the Company/Myth/Users from each other.
Don’t feel bad, many “Apple Customers” (I quote this since most of the loudmouths I run into haven’t actually *bought* anything from Apple costing more than $1K for *YEARS*) have problems with this as well.
Developers are often as out of the loop as users, and certain one’s are to be taken with a grain of salt.
Macromedia is by NO MEANS an authority on Mac OS X products; they barely manage to shake them loose of their MFC stench when they get them on OS X
So again, since ->Apple<- has never, ever directly, or from what anyone can tell *indirectly* intimatated that 10.3 was to be 64Bit there is nothing for an honest man to do at this juncture but *fully* conceed this point.
The notion that Apple somehow has a brainwave device in its hardware that “makes MacZealots think this” while romantic, is a bit farfetched and cetainly easier to explain:
They are zealots. They invent a web of lies to compensate for their own fallacies.
Pundits? Mental masterbation and speculation…pure and simple. They feed this crap more than any other source IMNSHO…because otherwise no one would care what the had to say? Why? None of them work for Apple, Inc.
Rumor sites? Its business
Its what the do…gotta get those impressions up 
Boards like this one? The voice of the people…the problem is that most of us with a voice of REASON do a lot of head shaking and walk the hell away.
Me? I’m a *nix guy, a Mac guy and a developer…and I like to get things DONE. There is no other platform that will meet my needs in this regard, YMMV.
And I’m a coffee drinker, thanks very much. Kool-Aid is for kids, and ad hominum attacks
-K
Why do PC users care so much about these Mac articles? Look at the number of reader comments! A good majority of them from PC users, yet you go to the other articles that are specific to the PC platform and you get 25-50 comments at best. Like or not Apple’s marketing is working if Apple and the Mac is getting this much attention/mindshare.
>And I’m a coffee drinker, thanks very much. Kool-Aid is for >kids, and ad hominum attacks
>-K
Yep, it shows that you are a Java guy, feet on the ground.
Enjoyed your post.
It’s good to know that there are sane people out there.
I conceded your point already, but do keep in mind the world is not B&W. I have work in silicon valley for years, enough to know how sleazy some companies can be. To me Politicians and some Computer companis, i.e., have a lot in common.
But alas… is not a romantic notion but actual experience in dealing with these people. Still I may be preaching to the choir here, since you don’t seem to be under the mind control of Steve, like some of the numb heads around the board.
I own a big farm of SGI’s, and do Video production with them. That’s why a laugh whenever I am told that I can’t afford a Mac. THough I admit Irix is not my personal desktop, but neither is Apple, and it probably never will.
Dude, I write Mac Software for end users. I know not a day passes when I don’t wonder *seriously* about some of them…
“Unmitigated Balls” does not *begin* to cover my colorful descriptions
As for Apple on your Desktop: As a Unix user (ok Irix, yuk yuk. Oh MAN do I feel for you…got away from that stuff years ago when I worked at NOAA. But i did always think the fiber optic link betwixt cpus was a damn fine trick…sorry digressing here) I’d say give one at least a kick or two.
The *problem* is getting over that hump of being associated with some of the more…crackhead element…that uses Apple products. Its tough for a lot of folks. I don’t know too many clean and sober folk that want to be associated with the Lunatic Fringe; but try to see over that
But like most things in life the “Cut off nose/Spite Face” thing rarely pans out in the end, and you could probably be *well served* by an Apple *nix laptop since you run a *nix biz.
If your the businessman you say you are, you’ll have the acumen to give it at least a peek. My advise tho is to stay AWAY from Apple retail on a weekend, try late hours on like a Tuesday and be *right up front* and tell them YOU HATE RABID APPLE USERS AND WANT NO PART OF THAT FOOLISHNESS. You’re a busy man, a *nix guy and ya’ need someone that knows *nix to give the “Businessman’s *nix Laptop” angle.
There is *nothing* like walking into a meeting with a 17″ to do a PP (ok, Keynote now…its much nicer) presentation by hooking *strait* into the projector, click, click, flying thru then having some tech (usually a Linux guy…tee-hee) try to bust yer balls, popping up a Term and getting down to the nitty-gritty.
But by *all means* do NOT take my word for it…see for yerself
-K
How is what apple is doing any different than what Microsoft did when it released Windows 95, a hybrid OS that could run 32-bit apps and 16-bit apps natively, while touting it as a 32-bit OS?
In essense its different because *Apple* has never said it was.
The Register, long known in IT for its even-keeled reporting (har-har) writes an article as if it were a *revelation* of some sort.
So there ya go
Problem is…
Bunch of me-too Mac Sites pick it up…in pieces and out of context. Remember, virtually no one goes back to the source. Had they done so, they would have most likely seen it for what it was: a boring tech article trying to be “sensational edutainment”…
Of course, as some misguide Mac Users are wont to do, they run with it, jump on it, “re-intepret” and article written in a suspect tone in the first place then roll it all up and bring it somplace like here.
A PO’d (but oftentimes MORE clued-in) *non Mac User*(…who will shortly be know as “PC Troll Luser” within 3 posts…regardless of whether or not they actually ARE a PC User) will point out some glaring hole in the MacRant du jour, probably with a bit too much sarcasm or dark humor for a MacZ that’s already off the ‘zak…
Then all hell breaks loose
Twisted “factoids”…direct quotes from the Evagelist…irrelevant and tangental TCO arguments…ad hominin attacks…poisoning the well…the whole thing, just like we learned in school.
The noise level goes off the charts. Small animals are harmed, hopefully someone interjects something REALLY SANE or REALLY FUNNY, things get point on point for a few posts, someone screws it up with a thinly veild “gay” reference or “yo’ momma” snap, lather, repeat
OK, I ve read through all these messages, most of them off topic, and complete crap written by people with no hardware/software expertise.
Every time Apple is mentioned here we get this crap, enough is enough.
To this person comparing home built Linux/Win PC with a brand name computer, get a life. It is not the same whether you like it or not, and will never be (by the way there are necessary stuff missing from your config. but I am not going there!) So yes you will pay more money for an Apple system. Happy now?
If you do not want to/cannot pay the price for a Mac, then don’t. Nobody is putting a gun on your head.
Buy what you need, and stop spamming this board with all that crap. If you like win XP then get it, if you prefer Linux then get that. If you feel that you want to spend a little more to buy a Mac, do it. But please stop this futile, childish war of OSs. This is ridiculous, off topic and very annoying.
Lastly, competition is good. If AMD was not there where would Intel performance be today? If Apple was not there we would most likely still use DOS. And think about it, why do you think IE has not seen any improvements in the past 4/5 years? Why do you think Microsoft is coming up with Longhorn in 2005/2006? Do you believe they need more programers? Or maybe that there is little incentive to move faster.
Choice is good, appreciate it. Now could we go back to topic pleeeeeease!
<Panther is a hybrid 32 bit and 64 bit OS.
..SNIP…
I’ve known all of this for quite some time…so methinks others just weren’t reading the press releases carefully or weren’t reading them all all, just reading headlines and comments and thinking that makes them informed. >
Exactly, I think anyone that was paying attention knew about this the day it was announced at WWDC (or before for those in the loop), reading some of the comments here I kept asking myself: Am I the only person who knew about this? Talk about making a mountain out of a non-news story…sheeesh!
The fact remains that even running non optimised 32 bit it will still be a big improvement over the G4.
I work on and quote on both the “Wintel/AMDows” and “Mac” hardware and software. The first thing i do when a new Machine/OS comes out it USE IT before i pass final judgement.
Some ppl like to not worry about having to pop on of a handful of driver cds back in when the OS goes to Hell – I reckon a Mac and Panther will suit them. You’ll get the folk though, that want to play with the innards of their puter and are more comfortable with “*fdisk*” and “howtodisablemessengeratstartup” – i reckon they’ll hate a mac and sneer at the apparent “extra expense” that the almost “seamless” support and applications suite of the Mac. At least half of these folk are pirating apps that cost more than a whole G5 is worth.
If only you guys would use your powers for good instead of evil………it takes all sorts.