In the days after Donald Trump won November’s presidential election, immigration and civil liberties advocates began assessing how the new president might carry out his promises to create a registry of Muslims and deport millions of undocumented immigrants. Almost immediately, it became clear the Trump administration would need data, and a lot of it, in order to not only peg people’s religious affiliation and immigration status but also allow federal agents to verify their identities and track their whereabouts. Information that could be used for such purposes is collected and stored by a variety of state agencies that issue driver’s licenses, dispense public assistance, and enforce laws.
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In Washington state, The Verge has learned, Democratic governor Jay Inslee has directed members of his policy and legal staff to work with a handful of state agencies to identify data that could be utilized by Trump’s deportation officials, and how, if possible, to shield any such information from federal authorities engaging in mass deportation. In California and New York, Democratic lawmakers have proposed legislation to block state data from federal immigration authorities. Democratic legislators have also proposed bills in Washington state, California, New York, and Massachusetts that would prevent state data from being used by federal authorities to build a registry of people belonging to a certain religion.
The Republican party, Trump, and its supporters are avid advocates of states’ rights, so I’m sure the Republican Trump regime will welcome these moves with open arms.
Thom, you’re trying too hard to coin the term “Trump regime.”
In your previous post about Trump, you said it no less then four times in only a few sentences. The count is two for this one.
I don’t disagree and I’m not a Trump supporter, but it’s getting old fast.
Nah, his rhetoric got old a long time ago. The majority of people who read tech blogs lean left (such that he’s preaching to the choir), and the ones who don’t are never going to have their minds changed with posts like this, making them little more than pointless rants.
And those of us who lean in the honest direction of our values, on a case-by-case basis, roll our eyes and sigh at the pointless attempt to group us all into one extreme or the other. It really is getting old.
What, that is completely ridiculous, there are just as many right leaning tech enthusiats as there are left. The issue is, the left has a dominance on most of our media, so of course you will see more Trump hate. Which by the way has no business being on a tech blog. I’m a moderate, even voted for Obama, who unfortunately turned out to be the worst president of my time, even more so than Bush Jr. The point is, left, right, it’s all nonsense invented by people who want to divide our nation. Trump didn’t divide this nation, the media has. Where were all those angry protestors when Obama put a travel ban on Iraq, Iran and a few other muslim countries, the same identical Travel Ban that Trump is now just reinforcing, there was none because the media didn’t tell you to.
calden,
I’m responding because I think there’s still a chance to correct a misunderstanding here. Obama did not issue a travel ban. At times his administration put out travel advisories, and Obama’s “ban” never actually banned legal visa holders from traveling to the US, instead he suspended some visa applications. Hopefully everyone here can appreciate that this is very different from Trump’s order.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-trump-travel-ban…
Trump banned selected foreign born nationals from returning to their homes, families, and companies in the US. This is why companies like Google and Amazon got involved with Trump’s ban. Regardless of our opinions about Trump and Obama, their immigration policies are factually not “the same identical Travel Ban that Trump is now just reinforcing”.
Again, I’m hoping this helps to clarify some of the misinformation that’s been touted by the Trump administration. Otherwise, carry on.
Okay fair enough, though I don’t agree with banning Green-card holders, I do agree that we need to close the border up until such time a proper, stricter system can be put into place. Look, I’m an American living in Europe and I have no doubt that even the most staunch liberal amongst you would be a Trump supporter over night if they actually saw for themselves what was happening here, it’s nightmarish.
I was in Berlin for New Years Eve, my party had to hide in a restraunt, who thankfully opened their doors to us, because hordes of angry immigrants, who in that night; raped, molested, killed and destroyed property. They did so with little to no Police interference, simply because they were just to overwhelmed.
Now, not all Muslims are like this of course not, however and this is a big however, when almost 100% of Islam followers now want Sharia law and the fact that the Quran contains more than 100 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule, well, call me cautious, especially after what I and 100’s of thousands of Europeans have seen, experienced continue to do on a daily basis. I mean the Turkish Airport have signs warning their citizens against the rape epidemic in Sweden.
What else would you call it?
Trump administration, like every other government. Otherwise you have cognitive dissonance. Some have already made up their mind so Trump must turn into their worst fears.
Ah,like the Jinping administration, Jung-on administration and Castro administration?
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That’s…………..generally what they’re called in America sweetheart. See above about cognitive dissonance.
And in America, we use the word Regime to describe the type of behavior exhibited by the Trump Regime.
What behaviour? See cognitive dissonance above.
Yeah. English Dictionary defines regime as “a government, especially an authoritarian one”. So, no, not feeling the cognitive dissonance. An authoritarian doesn’t compromise. When Trump wants a supreme court justice, he tells Mitch to go nuclear. That’s an authoritarian talking. We’ll see what the next four years hold, but so far, Trump’s regime is a regime.
By the way, see “Regime”, Oxford English Dictionary.
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Looks ever more like cognitive dissonance……..
The only authoritarian actions we are seeing are those who don’t like the result of the election that happened for very good reasons and are probably more afraid for their own pointless jobs.
The travel ban, I’m afraid, is based on a piece of legislation derived by Obama and passed by congress. Trump’s order merely enacts it. There is nothing authoritarian about it, but, the cognitive dissonance says we have to see authoritarianism everywhere and Trump must be Hitler. He must be. If he isn’t many people are going to look very stupid…….
segedunum,
Not for nothing, but vtpoet’s comments are entirely factual, it’s immediately obvious if you just look it up yourself.
I’m sure you realize what Trump and Conway do when the facts don’t look good: pivot to other talking points and attack the other person for bias without ever addressing the points made. You’ve chosen to follow this script too, but isn’t this boring and amateurish? Clearly nothing of substance can be discussed this way. Yet Trump fans seem to love it; he made it through and won a whole campaign on emotional rhetoric with barely any substance at all.
Before you attack me (and I expect no less from you, go ahead and surprise me
), just think about this: attacking people and institutions with no specific plans to actually fix anything is not productive except in it’s capacity to bring about disorder and destruction. For some Trump supporters, this is likely part of his appeal. Trump’s presidency is looking a lot like Lord of the Flies. But I know there are others who actually wanted Trump to make their lives better through his promises, the problem is his chaos, deceptions aren’t going to make that happen.
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All he’s done is issue a bunch of executive orders, all within the legal and historically accepted bounds of the office, with the exception of the immigration freeze, which is being challenged through the courts as it should be when legality is in doubt.
Come back to us when he actively starts ignoring courts, overriding the law/constitution or congress.
By the way, see “Regime”, Oxford English Dictionary
No worse than the previous. Which is bad enough as it is.
“Bad” is relative. But give it time. And being that there are endless protests, judicial blocks, and whispers of mutiny amongst ranking members of his own party, I’d say Trump wins in that category too.
Amazingly enough, it actually is worse. This bunch of incompetent clowns make Bush Jr. look like a good choice. This is going to be even more hilariously stupid than when Reagan was president.
Edited 2017-02-06 03:02 UTC
That’s…..not really what they’re usually called in the US, sweetie.
Usually you refer to them as regimes. Well, except for Russia since Putin is your new BFF.
Riiiight, meanwhile Obama bombed the countries that Trump banned and nobody said shit. Of course he had a D after his name so that was okay, well that and the mainstream media would scream “that’s raciss!” if you dared say shit about their little tin god Obama.
https://counterpropa.com/obama-bombed-muslim-nations-trumps-travel-b…
Meanwhile the list was made by Obama, several countries such as Kuwait have likewise banned immigration from the same countries for the same reasons, and the USA has lost dozens to terrorist attacks in the past 2 years on its own soil.
Of course its not gotten as bad as Europe where you have the head of the police in Sweden telling their women they can’t go out at night in less they are in packs to keep them from getting raped, kids being warned away from pools because they will be sexually assaulted, oh and $50 billion Euros a year and rising bill from all those unemployable immigrants on the dole in Germany alone.
Call us names all you want but we REALLY don’t want to end up like you guys in Europe, or should I say Europistan or is it too soon?
bassbeast,
If Obama had bombed the entire countries just as Trump’s order bans entire countries, then rest assured there would have been protests, but Obama did not do that. Obama increased the vetting process in order to get a visa, Trump actually banned people who have legal visas punishing legal immigrants through no faults of their own. Even if you like what Trump has done, comparing this ban to what Obama did is a false equivalence.
If you want to criticize Obama’s actions, then seriously go right ahead, but he is not the president now. Not to put too fine a point on it, but where the hell were you (and Trump, Conway, and supporters, etc) when Obama actually did it? Obviously this is just lashing out retroactively so that Trump can deflect from his own responsibilities today. During the campaign, Obama-bashing served a purpose. But as president, Trump’s a big boy now, he can’t keep blaming others. This isn’t “The Apprentice” any more. A president needs to step up and take responsibility not only for himself but also for the entire administration. Even staunch republicans should agree with this, no?
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You can say what you want since OSnews is not hosted in the banana republic of Trumpland. It’s called free speech, maybe you guys will have it one day.
Cabal? Juntu?
Yeah, it’s more like a banana republic.
A certain person on Youtube says: Banana Republicans.
I don’t think this will help conversation though.
This conversation wasn’t really going anywhere anyway.
As opposed to the old regime of importing guest workers to replace IT graduate workers ?
The old regime was / is so charitable importing refuges and guest Indian workers on h1b to replace American graduates
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O7wVsvoM6tE&feature=youtu.be
Maybe you should have a better educational system and you wouldn’t have that problem? You know, one where everyone can go to school and higher education doesn’t cost you a minor fortune.
Bless. Some people seem to think they know what the problems are.
Are you aware that many foreign high school graduates have better STEM skills than the average US 4 year college STEM graduate?
H1B visas are used so people can be paid less, or at the very least paid the same money and have to work twice the hours. It’s amusing seeing people continually wheel out the ‘education and skills’ argument.
BS. The problem is that most Americans have never been academically challenged at any stage of their schooling. They get a high school diploma for merely attending classes and degrees for gaining the most superficial understanding of a subject. American universities even inflate undergraduate level courses (eg law, pharmacy, dentistry and veterinary science) to ‘doctorates’.
H1B visas have nothing to do with education.
Can borrow Stefani Germanotta or Sarah Silverman’s WW2 german outfit. To complete his regime. After they’re both done advocating overthrow of government, assassinations and/or terrorism, of course. That would be rude otherwise.
Isn’t that the point of the 2nd Amendment?
Trump is the best argument for the 2nd amendment, though probably not his intention.
The “best” argument for the 2nd Amendment was always about killing people — originally, southern slaves — always was and always will be. The vast majority of guns sold aren’t designed for huntin’ squirrel, they’re for killing human beings at close range or en masse.
Or about free citizens killing people in defending themselves and their liberties from kings and an autocratic state.
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No, educate yourself as to the history of the 2nd amendment.
History might be more nuanced than you believe and historical events the product of a mixture of objective conditions and the motivations more than one person or group. Certainly the American revolutionaries would have been influenced by Magna Carta and ideas of liberty that motivated there rejection of crown rule, hence;
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Perhaps you think that Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Roger Sherman, Robert Livingston and Thomas Jefferson. wrote the declaration of independence simply so they could keep slaves – I think most historians would see this as rather one dimensional view of history.
Heresa link that you might or might not find interesting http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/89vand.pdf
Obama CLEARLY was the best ever advertisement for the 2nd amendment. Sales of firearms skyrocketed under him precisely because the government grew in both power and especially GDP (through more debt than all previous presidents combined). The Trump administration is looking to cut the federal workforce by 20%. Hopefully that’s just a start. He’s trying to slash and burn regulations. He’s also supporting the 2nd amendment. All of these policies are the opposite of what historical tyrants do. And a large part of the population is acting like the world is coming to an end. The rest of us are hoping to breathe a sigh of relief as government hopefully starts to get the hell out of our lives and stops forcing us to fund stupid crap that goes against what we believe in.
I mean, they cut state agencies’ access to the press, congress’ first vote was to get rid of their ethics committee and they’re appointing people that want to destroy the agencies that they head.
That’s beyond authoritarian, that’s quite literally a sabotage of the country and straight up being a traitor regime.
Whatever information they need they already have since Obama deported more people than any other president. But of course, no other presidents before existed.
There doesn’t need to be a ‘registry’ and there will be no mass deportation.
Is this site turning into a blog for political views now where there will be an article every time Trump tweets ‘something’?
Obama’s definition of “deport” was that anyone turned away at the border was “deported”. Try again please.
Only in the sense of the right to own slaves, maintain segregation or engage in voter suppression.
All three the historical domain of the Democrats.
So? They’ve now abandoned the Democrats and moved into the Republicans. Who cares about the label? Deal with the actual group of people.
More nonsense based on feelings not the law.
The Congress can legally deport any alien (or group of aliens) under the 14th Amendment. They can also legally prevent any group (eg Muslims) from entering the country.
Immigration and citizenship is a federal responsibility. The states have no legal power to hinder a deportation.
That said I doubt that there will be mass deportations.
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//More nonsense based on feelings not the law.
The Congress can legally deport any alien (or group of aliens) under the 14th Amendment. They can also legally prevent any group (eg Muslims) from entering the country. //
More nonsense based on feelings not the law. See “The Establishment Clause”. Deporting any group based on religion violates the Establishment Clause. Congress can’t willy-nilly or legally deport any group for religious reasons.
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The Congress can deport any alien without providing a reason. Coincidentally many of those deported aliens may be Muslims. End of story.
BTW I believe that the (vast) majority of Americans would actually support the mass deportation of Muslims.
Your belief is not rooted in actual research, that’s just your opinion. Considering the most recent data I could find, you’re very wrong.
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/02/poll-shows-trumps-muslim-ref…
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/13/14250944/donald-tr…
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/02/03/poll-trump-proposals…
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/most-voters-disapprove…
Trump is the best contention for the second revision, however most likely not his aim.
Immigration is a “FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REPSONSIBILITY” under the United States Constitution… This means that the States do not have any say over the rulings.
If you had any intelligence whatsoever, you would have known that. Whatever is NOT in the CONSTITUTION goes to the States, like marriage equality, abortion rights, etc…
But I wouldn’t expect anyone with the intelligence of Dirt to understand that.
You should work harder to educate yourself on Tech, because you suck at Politics.
probably destroy what little moral currency america has left in this world.
In just 2 weeks:
He referred to a federal judge as a “so-called judge” because he didn’t like his opinion.
He implied the American gov’t is a dirty killer, just like Putin and other leaders who violently squash dissenting voices.
He gave the pacific to the chinese.
He told Australia to f*ck off.
He recruited more for ISIS than anyone on the planet.
He had a navy seal killed along with multiple children in a poorly-planned raid.
He golfed as he hosted (and profited from) private events at his club.
He showed his hand by not banning anyone from countries where Trump hotels operate.
His spokesperson repeatedly claimed there was a massacre that didn’t happen to scare idiots about muslims. Fake news from the top.
He is refusing the media access to his presidency, violating the first amendment and ignoring the fact that he’s an employee of the citizens, not the other way around.
He said women working in his white house need to “dress like women”. Thousands of working women replied with pictures of them in their work uniform asking if they were dressing appropriately for The Don.
And the one that really gets me stressed:
He appointed the Breitbart advisor to the national security council! A racist trash magazine editor is on the national security council! This is Nazi-Germany level stuff here.
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FREAKING DISASTER. America is in shock right now. No one wants to talk about it because there’s nothing to say. People are thinking crazy things, with the police departments going pro-Trump. A civil war is right under the surface.
This won’t end well. He’ll rob the country blind to enhance his own personal wealth (his only reason for existing) while berating us with constant lies and boasts. If we are lucky that’s all he ruins.
This man is a sexual predator, a con man, a crook, and an overall horrible example of humanity. He has no positive traits. Nothing you would impart to your kids. Teachers don’t know what to say to kids, b/c being the president is seen as validation for his despicable behavior.
There is such a cognitive disconnect amongst supporters of this DRUMPF REGIME. They are all anarchists, simpletons, racists, or charlatans themselves.
There is no other reason to give the keys to the worst among us unless you seek destruction.
BTW – 27% of eligible american voters voted Trump. Don’t hate all of us for that stupid 27%.
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The mainstream media hates him and colluded with the hillary campaign to defeat him. It’s well documented and all over wikileaks. They are the ones generating “fake news”. The media in the US needs to report the news, not make it. I’m glad the current crop of the corrupt democrat propaganda machine is getting taken to the woodshed by the administration. The problem is what’s going to fill the vacuum ?