Late last night Red Hat made available on its ftp web site a new beta of its upcoming Red Hat Linux 8.1 distribution, codenamed Phoebe 8.0.93 (they used the same codename as in the first beta a month ago (8.0.92)). ISOs here, documentation, release notes.
Red Hat Phoebe 8.0.93 is Released
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The perpetual question. 🙂 Can’t wait for the full release!!
RedHat has got us hooked. After the Bluecurve makeover, people are now a little excited to see if anything has changed or if there is any new eye candy. Count me in!
On the release notes, talking about that in the future RedHat will only support fontconfig:
NOTE: Two exceptions to the font subsystem usage outlined above are
OpenOffice.org (which uses its own font rendering technology), and
Mozilla (which uses fontconfig).
COOL! This beta’s Mozilla is Xft-enabled
I’m using a Xft-enabled Mozilla on my home RHL 8 and it blows away the ‘normal’ Mozilla.
The following packages have been removed from Red Hat Linux 8.0.93:
– WindowMaker – Resource constraints
Gimme the xft-mozilla and konqueror (which has beautiful fonts in RH8) is out of the window.
is the Red Hat Display configurator with support for Dual-displays. It currently only recognizes one card making it rather useless if you happen to have two screens. Then you have to configure it manually.
Is there an easy way to upgrade from the first phoebe
beta? I don’t want to download all 3 discs again.
“The following packages have been removed from Red Hat Linux 8.0.93:
– WindowMaker – Resource constraints”
I wish they would do more stuff like this. Red Hat is on three CDs which is far too much. Including all Window Managers out there is not going to help that.
Besides, if you are a big Window Maker user, you probably know how to compile it yourself, and if not, it will show up at freshrpms.
It’s a bit difficult to see what’s new compared to the old beta. Since they both have the same name the newer version has now overwritten the old one on all the mirrors I checked. At a a quick glance at least GNOME 2.2rc1 is in.
Perhaps this is a new trend, a beta each month until release? Sounds good to me
Anyone tried the new RH samba config tool? Any good?
>Red Hat is on three CDs which is far too much
The third CD is only 565 MBs. WindowMaker is only about 4-5 MBs. I am sure there was some space for it.
I agree that a distro should focus on ONE desktop environment (and make it right), but while RH has Gnome and KDE already included, I believe that people who only want to use RH as a unix server and only load X once every other moon, to actually do that by loading a very light wm, as WindowMaker or IceWM or one of the *Box instead of loading things they don’t need and that take resources like KDE and Gnome.
There’s no major changes, so a simple package refresh should be enough. Simply run rpm -Fvh against a mirror of your choice, for example: “rpm -Fvh ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/ph….
I haven’t tried it with this version but I’ve done it in the past and it worked fine.
Two things I would like to see is a way to have different hardware profiles, because I’d like to use two different display settings, one for the LCD, one for when the laptop is in the docking station. Same with network cards, I can’t get the docking station and wireless card to co-exist, when I switch I have to remove all ethernet configuration, and let the hardware tool configure the new device at boot-up. I’m a newbie though, so maybe I don’t know if there’s an easier way to do this.
Also, for wireless, the ability to store information about multiple wireless networks, and select between them as easily as you can with WinXP.
I love RH8, can’t wait to see all the new stuff in 8.1.
I use this tool that I wrote to switch between multiple configurations: http://www.fewt.com/traveler/
This distro ROCKS!!!
http://www.yoper.com
> I believe that people who only want to use RH as a unix server and only load X once every other moon, to actually do that by loading a very light wm
Erhm…
xinit
twm &
???
>Red Hat is on three CDs which is far too much
The third CD is only 565 MBs. WindowMaker is only about 4-5 MBs. I am sure there was some space for it.
Yes.. you are right in this regard. Although there is also bandwidth to consider. But when they haven’t made a huge cut, there is not really any point in cutting Window Maker.
I hope they get the axe ready for the next release and do what they can to trim it down to two ISOs. Hopefully where only the first one is necessary for a standard desktop install, although that is probably too much to ask for.
I would suggest having a repository of “extra software”. They could even label the last CD “redhat-extra”. With an easy way of getting this software, they could axe a lot of packages and still keep people happy.
They got rid of fortune? Tell me fortune-mod is just an expansion pack please, not the main thing
What I’d bloody well like to see is :
1. A DECENT package manager
2. Included or DOCUMENTED means to get multimedia support.
3. A menu editor in GNOME.
and proper fonts for all apps.
// COOL! This beta’s Mozilla is Xft-enabled
I’m using a Xft-enabled Mozilla on my home RHL 8 and it blows away the ‘normal’ Mozilla.//
PLEASE post instructions on how to do this! I’ve tried several times, without luck.
I’m using RH 8. Can’t get the Xft-enabled version to work!
Any helpful hints/links? Thanks.
You just need to download the special Red Hat XFT-Mozilla RPM from the Mozilla ftp site and install it.
http://www.tuxreports.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album23&op=modl…
This is from the previous beta.
http://www.tuxreports.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album23&op=.. .
The screnshots are from Phoebe 8.0.92 (beta 1), not from Phoebe 8.0.93 (beta 2)
and crappy screenshots they are.
no seriously, did the person who took them actually take the time to explore the system for some interesting screenshots, i guess not.
All they show is the installation, no different from the previous one, and the desktop, no difference either.
GNOME 2.2 is slated to have a menu editor, I believe. So if RH8.1 has GNOME 2.2 (I sure hope it does, assuming GNOME 2.2 isn’t about 2-3 months late in release, which I doubt), then it should have one.
According to this link
http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/schedule/
Gnome 2.2 will be ready next week. Enough time by planned release of RH 8.1 (April-May 2003). Maybe another beta realease until that?
how can I do this? I’m new to Linux, so I don’t know much about running things from console
I run redhat on my alphaand am updating to the 8.0 beta
right now. (A lot of work) and redhats additions to
mozilla are great. My gawd.
For newbies: got to http://ftp.mozilla.org under releases/1.3/RedHat…
grap the file: mozilla-1.3a-0_rh8_xft.src.rpm
then as root:
rpmbuild –rebuild mozilla-1.3a-0_rh8_xft.src.rpm
rpm -Uh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/alpha/mozilla-*1.3a-0_rh8_xft.alpha.rpm
umm for intel users (Why I will never know)
rpm -Uh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/alpha/mozilla-*1.3a-0_rh8_xft.i*.rpm
Wayto go redhat. You give value for my buck.
I’ve been looking at http://www.yoper.com and I can’t find much information. Someone want to give some Yoper features?
thx Don, but can’t I just run the rpm from console? anyways anyone know how I can do what Blackcat was saying on the 1st page?
To be honest I’ve never tried it that way. Since My primary
box is alpha and has my raid on it I tend to the compiling
by hand. I was primarly responding to an Anon post:
> PLEASE post instructions on how to do this! I’ve tried several times, without luck.
>
> I’m using RH 8. Can’t get the Xft-enabled version to work!
And not knowing arch etc I gave the general instructions.
NOTE: I forgot to say you need gcc 2.96 to compile it on
the alpha as gcc3 is still broke in some way.
P.S. Every talks about KDE, well kde is the worst set of packages to recompile.
Rimmer,
Yoper= Your Operating System
I installed many Linux distros and this by far has been the best. I installed it on a workstation at work and it is flawless. Everything works, speed is incredible, Xft enable, GL support for Nvidia and Matrox, cdrom automount, just amazing distro. I love it. And it is only going to get better. I ditched Windows right away at home once I did this install at work. Well I keep it for Counter-Strike still.
Check out this interview:
http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8149910525.html
Info about Yoper.com:
The best OS you have ever tried.
High Performance Operating System (optimized for 686 and higher).
Not a general purpose distribution, but a compact OS with ability to use packages from all other major OS’s. (rpm and tgz native, deb-support via
‘alien’)
The binaries we distribute are built from scratch using the latest original vanilla sources.
Uses the best features from other Operating Systems including hardware autodetection.
The following are the changes in details:
#USB recognition fix and USB keyboard support during install
#Upgrade to latest Software including kde-3.1.rc6 and XFree 4.3-rc
#Fontfix and support for Xft2 for all shipped applications
#NVIDIA fix and support for Geforce4
#Foomatic based printers fix
#Mouse wheel support
#Kbear Bugfix
#Mozilla 1.2.1 upgrade with Xft2 support
who are the freakin n00bs pulling this Yopie crap? Learn to use linux and hack xft properly. Even RH can do it better. XFT sux in yoper.
Your friendly hurd hacker.
<bait>
umm Hurd, I’ve heard rumours
can we say vapor ware…..
</bait>
comment I made today. ( I would pay 299 to have OS-X on my intel box)
The fonts in XFT-Mozilla look AWFUL! I lvoe Linux more than the next guy, but have anyone of you ever used IE?
Get the redhat-release rpm and install it. Then run “up2date-nox –nosig -u -v” and you will be upgraded to the new phoebe beta.
Want mozilla to rock? Here goes :
1. Open a terminal window, by clicking Hat -> System Tools -> Terminal.
2. Type in the following lines :
mkdir mozilla
cd mozilla
wget -rc ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.2.1/Red_Hat_8x…
rpm –nodeps -Uvh *
3. Restart Mozilla, and go to Edit -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Fonts.
There, change all the font choices except Proportional, to ‘Luxi Sans’.
In addition, for Monospace, set the size to 13, and set the Minimum Font Size to 13. Finally, remove the check for ‘Allow documents to use other fonts’.
4. Exit and restart Mozilla.
NOTE: I suggest installing the mozilla-crystal theme, to be found at http://www.kde-look.org
“Get the redhat-release rpm and install it. Then run “up2date-nox –nosig -u -v” and you will be upgraded to the new phoebe beta.”
whats it called? rpmdb-redhat-8.0.92-0.20021220.i386.rpm ?
It is called redhat-release-*.rpm.
I live with Redhat every day as my home OS. So, here we go.
1. Framebuffer console frame for boot messages. Yes, it is eye candy but so is a graphical login screen and I have used it on SuSE with a laptop and no it does not slow down the boot process. I own a laptop and reboot a lot and the transition from the graphical boot menu to the console boot messages back to the graphical login is harsh and unprofessional and just damn ugly.
2. Faster Services startup. The hardware detection through kudzu takes forever and xinetd hangs there for a extra 5 seconds.
3. i686 compiled packages. Redhat needs better optimized package sets. Packages should be compiled for the extremes. One set for the i386 compatible low end and for the normal range of the high end or the i686 compiled packages.
4. Package management. Tie the package management system to apt. The gui for the package management is really nice. However it needs to be tied to an apt backend to help resolve dependency issues and to give end users a higher number of packages than Redhat can or will. On first run, prompt the user if they want to use freshrpms warning them that redhat is NOT responsible for the content legal waiver blah…blah…blah.
5. By the same token, the up2date system should be enabled to allow for the download and the install of drivers from Nvidia and ATI and even enabled to handle MS fonts installation. Other online update systems handle this bit or that bit of my list but Redhat is the priemer linux distro and should handle all of it.
6. Include plugins and multimedia stuff. The plugins that Redhat can legally include like the Java stuff, Realplayer, and plugger should be included. Pay the mp3 licensing fee and for god’s sake risk to wrath of Microsoft and include avilib, and any other multimedia libs that do not obviously trouble like libdvd and other stuff.
7. Figure out the prelinking stuff or preloaded tricks or whatever is needed to get the large slow pain-in-the-butt c++ projects like Mozilla and OpenOffice to launch with some sort of half way reasonable speed.
Hurd, that’s the Os which has a partition limitation of 1 gig?
It’s amazing to me that other groups can take a micro kernel and develop an OS around it but RMS & Co. has been working on the hurd for what thirteen years now. Give up already!
You can install using rpm, deb, or tgz? This sounds like even more of a mess then Redhat. Am I wrong?
Okay I would like to defend RPMS.
They do have a good dependcy checking and tools to build even
more dependencies, and this is why people hate it. I
can build rpm’s where it lists all of the dependcies and
people complain that it can’t be used.
On the note of dependencies sit down and try to map out
all of the dependencies for ls.
The list to start at is libc, libcpml (alpha) a default
shell, kernel image , initd , etc etc
or at the bear minimum libc. Then libc expands into the kernel and some supporting stuff.
rpm work , there fairly easy to make (if mandrake would quit
fin them) and there is rufus.w3.org
Hey apt get may be fine for you but rpms are an complete solution too.
Donaldson
P.S. (Spelling, grammar == Lack of sleep) = true
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The fonts in XFT-Mozilla look AWFUL! I lvoe Linux more than the next guy, but have anyone of you ever used IE?
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Oh, yeah?! Look here then: http://www.geocities.com/pesho_pv/index.html (second image from top to bottom) and speak again! Grrrr!!!
> …or whatever is needed to get the large slow
> pain-in-the-butt c++ projects like Mozilla and
> OpenOffice to launch with some sort of half way
> reasonable speed.
As if their loading speed (or execution speed, for that matter) has anything to do with the language they were written in…
Perfectly tuned C code doesn’t make C a perfect language, and FUBAR C++ code doesn’t make C++ a bad language. (Same goes for any other combination of two programming languages.)
I did not say that c++ was a bad language.
I will say that the gcc c++ compilers have a problem with tracking RELOCs on libs during startup that makes the startup of such applications feel unnecessarily slow.
This is a noted problem and the whole bloody reason behind the prelink package.
This is an issue undergoing work by the gcc package folks and that a couple of interesting solutions have been tried in terms of speeding up certain apps.
It is not the language’s fault that the compiler itself has an issue. The KDE desktop folks have known about this for awhile and that is part of the reason that kdeint is used I believe (KDE folks correct me on this).
After using 8.0, I have these suggestions for Red Hat (anyone know where I can send them to?):
1) Make a Bluecurve theme for Mozilla so it looks consistent (like XMMS).
2) Terminal icon in the launchbar. Have they fixed it yet? Come one, 99% of linux users use the terminal, don’t hide it in system tools!
3) Add a nice gnome-based editor for coding c/c++. I couldn’t find one in the distro, neither on the internet. I had to install the KDE-based apps just to use Kate (which ate too much of my HD space).
4) Mp3 plugin. Other distro’s DO include it, so whats up with these legal issues? What I can remember the article that stated these issues was later assumed falls.
Oh, yeah?! Look here then: http://www.geociti es.com/pesho_pv/index.html (second image from top to bottom) and speak again! Grrrr!!!
Looks like the site suffered the OSNews effect
Man in the Arms: After using 8.0, I have these suggestions for Red Hat (anyone know where I can send them to?):
Remember that http://bugzilla.redhat.com is your friend.
<quote>Add a nice gnome-based editor for coding c/c++. I couldn’t find one in the distro, neither on the internet. I had to install the KDE-based apps just to use Kate (which ate too much of my HD space).</quote>
http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/redhat-8.0/anjuta/anjuta-1.0…
Anjuta is GTK1 based so it does not have the pretty anti-aliased fonts but otherwise is a great editor.
A GTK2 version called Anjuta2 is being made by entirely different group of developers. I use it but it is seriously beta and other people curse at it alot.
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Anjuta is GTK1 based so it does not have the pretty anti-aliased fonts but otherwise is a great editor.
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OMG… :rolleyes:
For your viewing pleasure: http://www.geocities.com/pesho_pv/index.html – 3-rd image from top to bottom, right screen.
This is Anjuta 1.0.1 (i.e. GTK 1.2 based). IMHO fonts are as smoo-o-o-oth as possible, or they aren’t? 🙂