Need a job? This classified posting appears to confirm that Microsoft is developing a new, original “next generation” shell to take advantage of the .NET framework for its next version of Windows. The ad says experience with “shell languages like PERL, Python and Bash” are a plus – interesting, I’d bet most of the experts in these areas are UNIX users.
Microsoft Next Generation Shell
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i think something is wrong with the main page of OS news, i didn’t see this post until i clicked on “news Archives”, i tryed to refresh the main page, and have booted into windows linux and beos in the mean time, and it shows the same page. sorry for not being related to the article.
That’s exactly what happen to me.
AOL
aol??
” i think something is wrong with the main page of OS news, i didn’t see this post until i clicked on “news Archives”, i tryed to refresh the main page, and have booted into windows linux and beos in the mean time, and it shows the same page. sorry for not being related to the article”
Same problem here (Mozilla and IE), i still see the IBM header as last newsitem. I had to login to the news via “www.linuxhomepage.com”. And no, i’m not using AOL.
” I think this is a bug in OS News page”. Fix it.
It was indeed stuck on an old version of the front page. It’s fixed now.
With many experienced IT people out of work in this country, why is this Microsoft job out in India? Doesn’t make sense.
Two words: labour cost
Most of the code finishing work in the software industry is moving towards India. Heck, even GNOME code have some Indian hired hands in it. Indian education system is highly based on maths (calculus) which helps Indians have a better egde in coding.
Remember, these programmers literary work for peanuts.
With many experienced IT people out of work in this country, why is this Microsoft job out in India? Doesn’t make sense.
I think it makes a lot of sense in a cold, harsh, economical kinda way: Indians are cheaper, and Microsoft is no charity institute for unemployed techies. They are a company and want to make money, like any normal company.
Remember, these programmers literary work for peanuts
Well: Peanuts can be better interpreted as Exchange Rate. At about Rupees 48 to a Dollar, a salary of Rs. 20,000 per month (enought to lead a comfy life!) translates to $416 per month.
I think rather than using exchange rates, we should try to see the Value of that sum of money.
They are a company and want to make money, like any normal company.
And that includes screwing over your own countrymen in the process. Money matters more to corporations than the quality of their products, the well-being of their employees, even the welfare of their nation. This is why I don’t support capitalists and their corporations. There are alternatives, like some GNU/Linux corporations out there that hire key developers and pay them well, not because its profitable, but because its right. Show me any corporation that says its more important to do the right thing than make money in this day and age. That’s why I vote with my money.
Could be something interesting coming from the Evil Empire. Object oriented command line language based upon .NET calls and independent of Windows.
Hurrah for overgeneralizations!
As much as most would hate to admit, Microsoft has undoubtedly improved its product line orders of magnitude over the past ten years; it’s fairly staggering, in fact. As monopolistic as they may be, they have definitely *not* let their product line stagnate, and whether you agree with their design decisions and priorities is of little consequence.
Regardless, this little project is something for which I am very excited. The one thing that’s been holding me back from going to a Windows box is the absolutely horrid command line. If they could get something comparable (or even better) to the traditional Unix shell, then they will have a convert right here.
Selling my soul? Who cares! =)
The one thing that’s been holding me back from going to a Windows box is the absolutely horrid command line. If they could get something comparable (or even better) to the traditional Unix shell, then they will have a convert right here.
Why don’t you just use Cygwin ? All the power of the linux-commandline under windows.
I guess you’ve never looked at one of the Indian contracts that Microsoft or IBM give out. Put it this way, there are alot of non-munetary rewards provided. Sure, their pay isn’t as much, however, considering that Microsoft India provides housing, meals, etc etc, then add on top of that, the fact that the cost of living in India is considerably lower than the US, the programmers still get a pretty good deal.
If the US want to maintain a strong dollar and make their labour uncompetitive, then, that is there own fault, not mine or the people who are getting the jobs in India.
that will allow me to actually scroll back the content of a dos prompt shell. Yes, I have bash for Win32 (even a natively compiled version, without the bloated n slow Cygwin dll), but I would really need to be able to scroll the buffer of the window. Right now, there is no buffer, at least in Win95/98.
Is there a utility that could help me?
That would be doskey that you are refering too.
xterm
Comes with Cygwin
Or get Win2K.
My experience with cygwin a couple of years ago was that it was pretty slow. Maybe I installed it wrong or something but ls should have been faster than it was.
Anyway, I’m curious about what MS is going to do with their .NET command shell. I personally think it would be cool if GUI file managers had more and better shell-like properties. I don’t see anything out there comparable XMLterm is sort of close in spirit but that’s it.
I can’t think of a reason why it couldn’t be done both better and first in OSS community.
but xterm on Win32 would require the Xfree86 port to Win32 which is slow beyond slow. Installing Win2k is out of the question, so… heck, there must be a solution :o(
William: don’t use Cigwin if sanity is dear to you. And most of the time, you don’t need to use it: the most common GNU tools, including bash, are ported natively to Win32. I can find you the link to one of the ports, if you want.
“I can’t think of a reason why it couldn’t be done both better and first in OSS community.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Amazing how you judge capitalism just by seeing how a non-capitalistic country, America, is runned. Besides, Microsoft cares for their employee welfare much more than most IT-related companies. If you check out the fringe benefits of being a Microsoft employee, specifically a engineer, even I, a Linux fan, won’t mind working there.
besides, by giving the job to India, aren’t they helping India, a poor nation? (a poor nation that has one of the fastest super computer in the world :-D)
besides, I doubt Microsoft wants Indian coders mainly for their cost, but rather on how well they get the job done. I’m quite sure Microsoft already have designed the shell back at Redmond, by having someone from a education system that emphasizes on maths, and with a culture that brought about things like the number “O”, I don’t think cost plays a important issue.
Cause Chinese developers cost the same. Pakistani developers cost the same. Russian developers cost the same.
Well, I would say, BTW, that capitalism is mainly Utopian. With pure capitalism, the one outlined by Adam Smith and Ayn Rand, politicians has little to gain from it.
Even with housing, meals, etc. and that the cost of living in India is way lower than in America, to Microsoft, it is like paying peanuts compared to a equalivent American programmer. I never implied that Indian programmers working for Microsoft live in such a poor and miserable state, their living conditions are much much much much much higher than that of a average urban indian.
Mario: I don’t need to anymore
and at the time I did I used DJGPP instead.
Gil: Likewise, I laughed so hard I cried.