“Well Red Hat came out with 8.0 and I was cautioned about trying out a new release and that maybe I should wait for 8.1 to come out. I was going to follow that advice but I got tired of my sound not working so I decided it’s either going to be Red Hat 8.0 or back to Windows XP, but one way or the other my sound was going to work.” Read the full article at Linux Orbit.
Yesterday, I installed RedHat 8.0 on a IBM Thinkpad i1300 laptop for my young brother and it went so smooth. I ain’t newbie, which I am able to know what to do such as use nousb and nopci to get CD boot works and installed. After that, disabled usb in the grub and etc. It loads perfect.
It’s funny thing that I leave everything by default for my brother. I didn’t touch drivers and etc. My brother added the old wireless ethernet card and it recoginzed by automatic. Within a minute, he’s on the Internet connection already while he was not able to get it works in Win2k/XP works at all, because of driver issues.
Now, he’s telling everybody how rules RedHat 8 is, because everything is just work a lot quicker than in Win2k/WinXP. He only need it for school, so no game or anything fancy apps. Just OpenOffice.org, XMMS, MPlayer, Opera, Phoenix and very few other stuff, he’s a happy man. 🙂
I asked him, if he think it can be replace Windows? He answered, “Not yet, because a lot of missing games, professional apps and etc. But, they are pretty close to it so far, thought.” Well, I agree with him even thought I use FreeBSD as my main desktop, no Windows in single of my boxes.
First you say that you didn’t want to mess around with installing drivers manually for your sound card on your prior RedHat installs. But you seem to have no problem in installing and uninstalling between RH7 and RH8 just to get your modem working. Doesn’t make much sense to me and it still doesn’t seem like you’ve achieved your “install and just work” methodology. Interesting read none the less.
…such stupidity for advertising ;-)))
This guy only miss the very classical, but everytime sooo good : it’s rock ! and, more serious, a strong sample with the little sister aged of 6, who had an incredible uptime of more than 2 hundred years, only feasible with RH8 of course, and innocently stating : “i definitely prefered it to the evelish Bill/Steve system”. Ho yeah ;-)))
And the best of all, they advertise for a free product. Ok, the quality of the advertise match perfectly the price of the product, but decency limits exist for everything.
Stop them, please, stop them ;-)))
Xavier, learn english and stop trolling. If you dont like linux, fine, thats your right, but your post is USELESS, so is mine, but someone’s gotta tell ya to shutup. Feel free to mod us both down OSNews ppl.
“This guy only miss the very classical, but everytime sooo good : it’s rock !”
Um, what’s up with the whole “it’s rock!” thing? Did you just learn these words and now have to use `em every time you feel like subjecting us to your inane “Linux stinks” ramblings?
u r perfectly right, mate. i installed RH8 – no sound at all …
I used Suse – coudn’t detect the mouse among other anoying stuff. Linux is too messy and not mature enough for the desktop. there is no consistency either. wait another five years or so ….. but then M$ and Apple will still be far ahead of the pinquins. It’s a catch up game for the open source and it won’t change. The desktop belongs to M$, period; exclamation mark and what have you.
“”Um, what’s up with the whole “it’s rock!” thing? Did you just learn these words””
Well, i have readed that so often from the Linux zealots, that i have thinked this is some kind of politeness formula. It’s not ? Curious, with nautilus crashing every 2 minutes, this obviously could not be a marking of the product ;-)))
Red Hat 8 on my minitower works fine. It is a plain old Celeron 500 mutt on a cheap SiS chipset. Slow, but steady. xfce helps a lot.
My Dell Latitude C600 laptop (which is on the RedHat HCL) is another story. I had to remove RH8 and reinstall Win2k (which gives me zero problems on either machine). About once a day, Linux would just go to into a coma. I don’t know how else to say it. The screen would suddenly go blank and the PC would not respond to mouse or keyboard input (and yes, all power management was disabled). There was nothing left to do but power down. Of course, that left X in a mess on the next boot. When it worked, it was great (though still a little too complex for average users), but in the end it wasn’t worth the hassle or possible data corruption.
It’ll get there someday.
“Well, i have readed that so often from the Linux zealots, that i have thinked this is some kind of politeness formula. It’s not ?”
You don’t know? How cute. In this case, why are you using a phrase the meaning of which you basically do not know? Don’t you think it’s just a little bit unethical?
“Curious, with nautilus crashing every 2 minutes, this obviously could not be a marking of the product ;-)))”
In your single, isolated case, hon. You are making invalid inference based on the insufficient amount of data. Yet another example of your vile intellectual dishonesty.
Off topic, do you actually enjoy publicly making a total fool out of yourself? Daresay I, you have a masochistic streak somewhere in you.
I have insalled and setup Many many windows and linux boxs, in fact i have setup win boxs all the way back to 3.1 and dos workstations.
and even recent releases of win2k and winXP, there are devices and cards that have issues. just so, if you use supported hardware it will work out of the box, all distro sites have a hardware list. read it.
i have my kids on a linux workstation(RH8) running KDE, and they are prefectly happy , they can do anything they could do /or want to do in windows.
it has not crashed and has not had any
issues….
they watch movies, listen to there Cd’s what ever they want..
Further more:
i have users that insist on using these odd ball mouse’s that tend to have driver issues and then cant figure out why there computer does not work they way it should.
i have a users using NT4 workststion and is try to use some odd ball trackball mouse and her computer as issues because of it and i gave ir a standard MS mouse and everything was good. same thing in linux.
if you want to use odd ball stuff dont complain if it is not supported out of the box.
i think a normal users can be very happy with any modern linux desktop…..and never complain…..
Nex6
<U>“Curious, with nautilus crashing every 2 minutes, this obviously could not be a marking of the product ;-)))”
In your single, isolated case, hon. You are making invalid inference based on the insufficient amount of data. Yet another example of your vile intellectual dishonesty.</U>
I am not sure for the ‘isolation’. Nautilus crash every two minutes with : mandrake 8.x ( not 9 ! just because 9 had never want to start ;-))) ), RH7.3 and RH8 ( but good progress with nautilus 2.x, it do not leaves anymore those very aesthetic nautilus.xml files in every libs ;-))) ), and Gentoo 1.4RC1 too.
Bad luck is certainly the only explanation…
In your single, isolated case, hon. You are making invalid inference based on the insufficient amount of data. Yet another example of your vile intellectual dishonesty.
Actually, I think it’s more than fair. If you try to install an OS (or anything for that matter) and it simply crashes or will not go on, you have every right to voice your opinion.
In fact, this goes right in line with the wild stories I see posted by the Linux zealots who say they’ve tried half their life to install Windows on a certain computer and couldn’t do it, but their 2yo def-mute, paraplegic, autistic niece installed an LFS system on the same machine in 30 minutes with no help and no manual. So, what goes around comes around
“Actually, I think it’s more than fair. If you try to install an OS (or anything for that matter) and it simply crashes or will not go on, you have every right to voice your opinion.”
Precisely! Opinion, as opposed to bashing or trolling. Just because a certain OS would not install on my computer, I am not going to go to OSNews and purposefully, excuse my language, poop in threads about that OS. The issue here is not how good or bad Linux (or any other OS for that matter) is, the issue is Xavvy’s way of voicing his… um… “opinion”.
“In fact, this goes right in line with the wild stories I see posted by the Linux zealots who say they’ve tried half their life to install Windows on a certain computer and couldn’t do it, but their 2yo def-mute, paraplegic, autistic niece installed an LFS system on the same machine in 30 minutes with no help and no manual. So, what goes around comes around
“
True that. Nobody benefits from zealotry. However, as it seems to me, Xavvy is being an anti-Linux zealot, which him in the same exact category as pro-Linux zealots: fanatical morons.
in SOVIET RUSSA the Red Hat installs YOU!
oh wait… is wrong website…
n SOVIET RUSSA the Red Hat installs YOU!
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“I am not sure for the ‘isolation’. Nautilus crash every two minutes with : mandrake 8.x ( not 9 ! just because 9 had never want to start ;-))) ), RH7.3 and RH8 ( but good progress with nautilus 2.x, it do not leaves anymore those very aesthetic nautilus.xml files in every libs ;-))) ), and Gentoo 1.4RC1 too.
Bad luck is certainly the only explanation…”
Mayhap. Or, it is something else. However, a person bragging about his 25 years of IT experience on every OSNews corner, should know better than simply bash an OS just because it didn’t work for him. Sorry to break the news for you, Xavvy, but nobody likes whiners — and that is exactly what you are doing here: trolling and whining how Linux didn’t work for you.
If it didn’t — well, get over it, use another OS, and stop your infantile sniveling. Your little personal OS miseries are your own problem. Thus, please, keep them to yourself. Don’t waste the bandwidth.
For starters:
“red>Editor’s Note: You can uninstall packages several different ways. Knowing what’s available is the only impediment to a new Linux user”
Nice to see objective reporting /sarcasm. There’s plenty of impediments in the way of a new user to any operating system, knowing what’s available is only one of them.
The article was pretty good, but let’s face facts, grandma ain’t going to reinstall the old OS, scour the net for drivers, reinstall the new one, install said drivers… Most likely she’s going to grab hold of the nearest Linux savvy relative around and say “Fix it…pleeeeeaaaaase”, which brings me to my actual point.
There are many comments around the board that contain something similar to “My aunt/uncle/wife/child/cousin who’s just come back from being marooned on a desert island since the 40s/self/etc are using win<version>/Linux<version>/MacOS<version>/etc and find it’s the best thing since sliced bread and would never go back to using win<version>/Linux<version>/MacOS<version>/etc”. I don’t have a problem with that, use what makes you happy, but did they set it up themselves or did someone else set it up for them? When (Not if, all OS can be screwed up by their users) something goes catastrophically wrong, or even if something just isn’t working, will they be able to fix it on their own?
I just get the feeling that somewhere along the line the question of “Which OS is best?” has got confused with “Which OS installs most easily?” (Note: It’s a ridiculous question anyway, only you know the right OS for you or does mom still choose your underwear?).
In the vast majority of cases the end user isn’t the one that installs/configures the OS, they usually lack the confidence/knowledge/permission to do so. So I think a much better question for determining OS worth is “How easy is it to fix a problem?” and as far as I can see none of the OS with large user bases address this issue particularily well for the casual user.
“Curious, with nautilus crashing every 2 minutes, this obviously could not be a marking of the product ;-)))”
In your single, isolated case, hon. You are making invalid inference based on the insufficient amount of data. Yet another example of your vile intellectual dishonesty.
I hate to break it to you, but I and several friends had the exact same experience. Please refrain from pulling the isolationist maneuvers. They won’t work.
I have the same notebook. I used RH 7.2 on it fine, and got the sound working. You have to pass noathlon to the vanilla kernel at boot time. groups.google.com is your friend. Yes, you’ve gotta either a) patch the stock redhat sources, or b) upgrade to 2.4.19 to get the sound to work. The modem drivers (although I’ve only used ’em a couple of times) you can download. IIRC, they’re a binary kernel modules. I have ’em on a floppy if I ever need to use them. The biggest problem with these notebooks is the buggy ACPI system, which he didn’t address. I’ve yet to find something that’ll support power management correctly. The development kernels sorta work (i.e. the gnome battery meter works), but I get a kernel panic whenever I plug in the power adapter.
The US Government and its agencies are evil , killing millions a year . It is good to finally see a show of solidarity against them . Lets all unite and crush the yanks!
I’d just like to point out that not 5 minutes ago I used Knoppix to wipe out WinXP on a Presario 1700T and D..A..M..N isn’t it a sweet set-up.
Tomorrow I get to spend a little time recompiling for ACPI and my stupid Conexant modem, but this is a faster / easier / more-comprehensive installation than I’ve seen in a long time. The fonts aren’t too ugly either.
I’ve never installed Debian before, so I get to wade into that whole world tomorrow. I’m APT-GETting as we speak, and I’ll be updated in 10 minutes [oops! whatyaknow, it’s done].
Isn’t Knoppix the work of one person?
Why do you have to bash Linux in every thread here? I’m, for the past three months, been a mainly Windows user. I see its qualities. They are good for some people. Linux is not good for you, so big deal. Must you start a flamewar in every Linux-related thread? No.
Personally, if I could get my Windows-only DSL provider to work with Linux, I would dump Windows. Using Linux now for me is using dial-up – no thanks there. (Besides, my DSL voes should actually be blamed on my monopoly provider. Not in the same sense as Microsoft is a monopoly, but a government sponsored monopoly).
Installed the OS itself. The new install uses X-server instead of framebuffer install so I had to set resolution to 1024×768 as I booted into the install. This sucked. Bust on this all you want. The rest of the install was uneventfull.
Every IT guy that ever set up a desktop from scratch will tell you that installing the OS is the easy part. Getting everything right for the user after that is the pain.
Ok before I even started the install I put some things like flash, Realplayer, Adobe Acrobat, and JRE plugins on a CD. Was that all? Oh no, I run a laptop with both an Ethernet and a modem. That is right. Winmodem so I grab the ltmodem stuff. I also get apt and synaptic. I grab some gtk2 xft rpms from Matt Hall they are on apt now but were not then including the hard to compile gstreamer and rhythmbox stuff as well as gnumeric and abiword. Grabbed the latest XFT mozilla from mozilla.org because I am on a frickin’ laptop. Make sure that is on the CD with all Windows fonts in a tarball from another box.
Ok know I am ready to get down to business. I installed my plugins.
Most were rpms or installable binaries. The one that was not was flash. I hate that damn plugin sometimes.
Put the thing on my work lan and do all the RHN networks BEFORE I install the newest rpm for the ltmodem stuff. Test it and the modem works and my plugins work. I install mozilla, apt and synaptic. I bring up synaptic and hit update to get all the package lists.
I then choose through the synaptic gui all the multi-media stuff I want and get xine, xine-libs, totem and a bunch of multi-media libs and i8kutils. Install gstreamer, rhythmbox and other stuff off of CD.
Then I untarred the fonts into a font dir. I used the KDE font installer even though I usually use Gnome to install the MScorefonts so that me and my wife could see them. I took some other fonts from themedepot and hadess’s site and threw them into the .fonts dir. Now I can just drag and drop with fontillus but that was not available when I first installed the system.
I wanted the Function key combos to work for lowering and upping my volume so I put this in the .bashrc
i8kbuttons -u “aumix -v +10” -d “aumix -v -10” -m “aumix -v 0” -r 100 &
My multimedia keys now worked and I was happy camper.
I installed my loki-games and Castle Wolfenstein and I was set.
The key here is that this did not take me very long to knock out at all. It might have taken me two hours to not just install the OS but to tweak out the box just like I wanted it. Still, I knew what I wanted. I wanted all the plugins for linux immediately. I knew the multi-media apps I wanted. I knew where to go to get those special rpms not on apt.
Do the research. Get the stuff you want ahead of time. Windows does not come with the plugins. Windows comes with some multi-media but everyone I know on windows still download winamp for example. Redhat comes with a little multi-media but not all you want either. Could Redhat be better –hell yeah pay for the mp3 license and just be done with it.
I do not know how windows would handle the multi-media keys from a fresh install but that was a definite extra step and the ltmodem stuff should come with every distro. I am sure in this regard Windows had the edge.
Remember, it is an alternative OS. It does not take forever to get the box right if you know what you want and how to get it. Check to make sure your hardware is compatible and get prepared ahead of time. Remember Redhat is just a distro not an OS. The OS you are putting on your system is one supported by a few companies but mostly by volunteers who just love doing this. It is still an alternative OS and treat it like this. If you want Windows without MS no linux will please you. Stay with XP. If you hate Windows itself and want a x86-based alternative give RH8 a try.
What protocol does your DSL provider use? Verizon uses PPoE, which Redhat supports out of the box. All you have to do is give it the username and password, even though it’s not officially supported, it works fine.
PS,
I’m downloading Redhat 8.0 now, but Mandrake crashes so often, it’s kinda hard.
Even if you win a chat room argument, you’re still a loser.
Let Xavier express his opinions, and he might let you ignore him.
I think it’s funny because I agree with what Xavier says in principle only.
What is trolling anyway? Is that what you call expressing you opinion even though it isn’t popular? Was Martin L. King a troll? Was Lincoln? OHMYGOD Am I?
Why do you have to bash Linux in every thread here?
Good question, but you haven’t read me complety, i bash W2K as often as Linux. Nautilus ( well mainly the 1.x release ) crash very, very often ? It’s not my fault. You will be reassured about Linux if i am saying that nautilus crash have no consequence ( just, after the tenth crash, need to kill some remaining process ), while a crash of explorer ( every time i burned more than one cd ) force a reboot to be sure to continue safely. You feel better now ? My point is that i want to use Linux as only system, let’s say in one or two years, and i am really sure that speaking in “rock’n roll” term is not the good solution to see it improved. The same for W2K, the same for Unix, the same for os/390, the same for Apple, and so on, and so on.
But i think you’re right when speaking about bashing. Just note two points, first i do not feel obliged, and in fact i don’t, to insult users of other OS; second, another best question is certainly why the Linux zealots feel obliged, and in fact do it, to insult users of other systems. Don’t you think so ? You are not tired by this attitude ? I am.
I’m, for the past three months, been a mainly Windows user. I see its qualities. They are good for some people. Linux is not good for you, so big deal. Must you start a flamewar in every Linux-related thread? No.
Linux is very good for the batch classical system. It’s pityfull, but running, for the gui and the desktop.
Personally, if I could get my Windows-only DSL provider to work with Linux, I would dump Windows.
If you have some money for, try a DSL-modem connected by ethernet, this kind of modem acting as IP NAT router regarding from your computer ( and do a self DSL logging, with parameter you have initialy set, regarding from your provider ). So your communication is pure IP, i hardly doubt that your provider test the presence of some smb or ntlm communication ( but maybe they do it ), which mean that is working outstandly. I’m using an EICON one ( DIVA model ), but i’m sure that Linksys or Netgear, or other are equally good.
My 2 cents
“Using Linux now for me is using dial-up – no thanks there. (Besides, my DSL voes should actually be blamed on my monopoly provider. Not in the same sense as Microsoft is a monopoly, but a government sponsored monopoly).”
Or just try an old box with W95 and PROXY+. It’s rock !
Sorry ;-)))
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I think a much better question for determining OS worth is “How easy is it to fix a problem?” and as far as I can see none of the OS with large user bases address this issue particularily well for the casual user.
I agree wholeheartedly on this point.
I can’t claim to have a wide OS experience, but the old MacOS was a system that you could explain troubleshooting processes to pretty much anyone; you install something new and your computer starts crashing when not running that program? Restart with extensions disabled, then bring up Extensions Manager, find the new extension(s) (easy enough, since sorting by date is possible), and disable them, then restart again with extensions enabled and see if the problem is gone (and 9 times out of 10, it would be).
I think many different systems, including the newer MacOS X, should take a leaf from this book; using a UNIX-like system doesn’t mean that system administration has to be made difficult. It’s just that up until now, it has been, based on the testimony of numerous administrators, in addition to users.
It is a bug of Nautilus, and currently they are trying to fix it (or have fixed it already, I’m not sure, run up2date to check). I personally didn’t experience that. So it seems it only affects a minority of users, but the pattern of which Nautilus crashes, I don’t know.
Besides, while being the default, when you install RH, you can also install KDE. It acts almost the same. Why not use Konqueror?
PPPoE. But the strange thing is that it could never get configured. I tried my father’s office PPPoE DSL provider (a competitor to Telekom Malaysia), it worked perfectly on the same machine and installation. While with Telekom Malaysia, it doesn’t work. So I blamed it on the ISP.
Besides, I have heard Mac users getting the same problem too.
Good question, but you haven’t read me complety, i bash W2K as often as Linux. Nautilus ( well mainly the 1.x release ) crash very, very often ?
Just to note that Nautilus 2.0.x is far more stable (and faster) than 1.x. I never used Nautilus 1.x for more than 30 seconds after the first try. On GNOME, when I have to, I used GMC. But before GNOME 2, I was using KDE 3 most of the time. And after KDE 3.1, the same would happen.
while a crash of explorer ( every time i burned more than one cd ) force a reboot to be sure to continue safely.
On Windows 2000, you never need a reboot when Explorer crash. I never seen Explorer crash more than once a month, but that’s probably because I don’t use its cousin app, iexplorer.exe all that often (a Opera junkie, myself).
But when explorer crashes, Ctrl-Alt-Del, click on Task Manager, go to Processes and scroll down to explorer.exe, select it, and press the “End Process” button. You would find the desktop and taskbar dissapear. Then go on the “Applications” tab, select “New Task” and open explorer.exe in your Windows folder (either C:Windows or C:WinNT.)
The process is fairly similar to Windows XP, whom I have experience far more Explorer crashes although lately been using it less than Windows 2000.
another best question is certainly why the Linux zealots feel obliged, and in fact do it, to insult users of other systems.
I normally blast them, bash them, or if their numbers are too much (like on Slashdot), selective bash their arguments (picking the most intelligent arguments and refutting them). The same goes for zealots for Mac and Windows. In fact, your probably think I’m some kind of Linux zealot, but well I have heard far more accusations of me being on Bill gates payroll (I genuinely wish so) than being a Linux zealot :-).
You are not tired by this attitude ?
Very. I was once, BTW, a Linux zealot. But then I matured. I started to see things objectively. Why? All of the sudden, I have a surging interest in business (well, it wasn’t all of the sudden), and found that Microsoft is just up there because they are smart, not mean. Who hired private investigators to go though their chief rivals’ trash? Who spend 4 years to rewrite a browser? Who controls a piece of software “standard” that they claim was community dirrected?
Not Microsoft.
If you have some money for, try a DSL-modem connected by ethernet
Actually, yes, I employ that kind of modems. My modem is currently connected to a network switch via a Staight CAT5 cable using MTIX.
Sorry, BTW, for being so hard on you. You actually didn’t present your arguments in a nice way. Some one mention that anyone with a opposing view can be considered a troll under our defination. Well, at least both Martin Luther King and Ab Lincoln didn’t bash the whites senselessly, rather provided good arguments for their cause.
Ok, people try Linux, but for some reason it doesn’t work like they want. Sometimes it doesn’t even install correctly (but that happens to Windows too). Then people start complaining about RH8 or other distro on every web site they visit (OSNews seems a favorite one)
Well… Instead of *wasting time* complaining, please report bugs to the vendor!
Redhat 8 doesn’t install correctly on you PC ? Well, go to http://bugzilla.redhat.com, create a new (free) account and report the bug! *REPORT THE BUG* !!! So next release maybe it will work!.
Please let’s stop with these looong threads about Linux working or not. It’s not perfect. We know. So let’s help RedHat or Mandrake making it more bugfree.
So when RedHat 8.1 will ship, it will run on more systems.
Thanks.
It seems every week there’s a new review of some distro that seems to focus entirely on the install or first impressions.
The sad thing is that most of these reviews aren’t even timely. While I applaud the efforts of reviewers/editors, reviews of RedHat 8, Mandrake 9, etc, should be focusing on long term experiences at this point IMHO.
Well i installed RH 8.0 on my prostar laptop and it runs fine it saw everthing even my wireless card. so yeah linux still has some more ground to cover but a lot of it is on the third party end. Need more ppl to use linux so hardware and software vendors start making linux drivers and software. Thats all thats really missing is third party support. i wish ever company was as good as nvidia when it comes to driver support.
I’m sorry guy, but every time I read one of your “It’s Rock !” posts I just cringe. Could you please move the exclamation point next to the last word like this “It’s Rock!”. Then, once you’ve mastered that task, please use the correct vernacular “It Rocks!”, if indeed that is the idea you are trying to convey.
I realize this is nitpicking, but it would really make my OSNews experience a nicer one if you would put forth the effort to make these small changes.
Thank you in advance.
he needs to either wait for RH 9 when kernel 2.6 will be used, or compile his own kernel with the ACPI patch compiled in and enabled.
Argh.. yeah I wish he’d stop using babelfish for translations.. it’s doesn’t rock!!
“ I hate to break it to you, but I and several friends had the exact same experience. Please refrain from pulling the isolationist maneuvers. They won’t work.”
These are not any “isolationist maneuvers.” Simple statistics and logic, that’s all. If indeed various Linux distributions were worthless, we wouldn’t have so many people using them with “Nautilus crashing every 2 minutes.” Apparently, Linux does work for quite a lot of people. Therefore, any stipulative, absolute existential statement a la “Lunix stinks” is disregarding a vast body of counter-evidence. One cannot make a viable conclusion based on insufficient and/or limited data.
like I said, this is simple logic.
`Nautilus crashing every 2 minutes.” Apparently, Linux does work for quite a lot of people.
There is strictly no connection between nautilus and linux. I mean technical connection. Of course somebody may observe that Linux have no other choice than those poor products for it’s gui and desktop part. Kde is worst than gnome, if you can imagine that possible of course ;-)))
Nautilus crash since 10 years on every Unix. A strong point of nautilus is it’s constancy.
It’s a fact for IT, as ocean are filled with water for geography ;-)))
Learn English.
This is an English-language site, so if you want to make posts, LEARN THE GRAMMAR. I’m tried of trying to decipher what the hell it is you’re trying to say.
I don’t make posts on Spanish tech sites, even though yo hablo espanol un poco.
Sin embargo, yo no escribe que yo no sabe.
You should do the same.
Since everyone is picking on Xavier, can I ask what is the deal with your smiley? Does it have a double chin or something ? :-)))?