Submitted by Acer has stated that it will be pushing Linux aggressively on its laptops and netbooks. The company is already heavily promoting Linux for its low cost ultra-portable netbook range out later this year, but senior staff have said that Acer will also push Linux on its laptops. Acer has already started selling Linux in its Media PC business but this should now spread, according to Gianpiero Morbello, vice president of marketing and brand at Acer. “We have shifted towards Linux because of Microsoft,” he said. “Microsoft has a lot of power and it is going to be difficult, but we will be working hard to develop the Linux market.”
Acer Bets Big on Linux
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I’m new to Linux.
This seems to be good news…. for the moment. As many have stated, Microsoft may wave some money to their faces and all that…. but I’m going to be optimistic. It may be Novell’s (Microsoft’s slightly less evil twin) Suse Linux Enterprise…. but I’m hoping they optimize the hardware for most of the popular distro’s.
Ubuntu 8.04 seems to have got hardware detection down pretty good…. and the next version promises even better wireless networking and maybe even 3G/3.5G connectivity (sayonara ndiswrapper).
Here’s hoping more manufacturer’s follow suit….including my favorites, NEC and Fujitsu. 
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2008-06-06 12:51 pm
Woot!!!
Well, I would first wait and see what really is going to happen.
There is a certain likelyhood that Acer is doing that because they want to have a better price/feature set from Microsoft.
Why do i have the feeling that this will last until Microsoft waves some money in front of them. Maybe because of OLPC? maybe because of ASUS?
These day Linux seems to most big hardware companies to be only a leverage to get some discounts out of Microsoft.
These day Linux seems to most big hardware companies to be only a leverage to get some discounts out of Microsoft.
Probably true, but either way it will create a Linux market, because continually squeezing Microsoft will bleed them dry eventually. If the money stops, the incentive for cheaper wares gets stronger.
Most of Microsoft’s attempts to deal with Linux don’t seem to have been particularly successful. Get the Facts outlived it’s usefulness. SCO ended up bankrupt, despite Microsoft’s funding and they’ve yet to prove there’s any truth to the so-called patent violations ….
Edited 2008-06-05 00:19 UTC
At some point Microsoft will start to call these company’s bluffs. That’s when things will get more interesting.
Its great that Acer wants to push Linux, and we know that they are currently going to offer it on their upcoming Eee competitor, but I would like to know what some of their other plans are for their lines?
What distribution?
– If it stays it’s own (which I believe they use their own on Aspire One), will it remain cost effective instead of using another distribution as a base?
Will it be customized (like Dell including DVD playback)?
Will it be advertised?
Will it be pushed into retailer stores?
Just searching through their website, I couldn’t find any of the media center PC’s that are supposed to have Linux, and only saying that they will be aggressively pursuing Linux leaves a lot of questions.
I sure hope they do ship with DVD playback software enabled and all that. It’s just too much of a hassle for some newbie to have to figure out how to add DVD playback to an OS he/she isn’t even familiar with. Besides, there’s only 1 legal DVD playback software out there: LinDVD.
LinDVD is the only legal option if you live in the US, or countries affiliated with the US 4th reich. The decss work around is perfectly legal, it’s the DMCA that’s horridly illegal.
Dave
DeCSS is a Windows program.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS
Linux DVD players use libdvdcss … which has never been challenged in court.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss
“libdvdcss is not to be confused with DeCSS”.
Unlike DeCSS, libdvdcss does not use a cracked DVD player key. Therefore libdvdcss itself does not “copy” anyones IP.
Good points – I actually did mean libdvdcss btw, my bad!
Dave
The last two Acers I bought came with Linpus Linux. I installed Windows and Ubuntu on both. At least in the case of the laptop (last year), Linux was mentioned on promotional flyers and ads.
Have you seen the “Acer One” – EEE PC Killer? Looks nice:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/03/acer_launches_one/
I particularly like the part about possible HSDPA support.
It runs the “Linpus” distro which I’ve never heard of before. I’m assuming this is either RH or Debian based?
(or is that what they wanted me to say………)
According to the comments on that link, it is based on Fedora.
Since the last Linpus release (9.4) was in late 2007, I assume it is either Fedora 7 or 8 based.
(no Idea if any of this post is accurate or not as it is based on a single comment.)
Either way, the One looks good.
Edited 2008-06-04 23:25 UTC
Year of Linux Desktop.
Need more be said?
Edited 2008-06-04 23:04 UTC
I think last year was the year of Linux as Dell started selling machines with Linux on it. After that the other hardware suppliers followed.
It’s not a year of Linux Desktop. It’s a year of Linux Netbook
You had to go and say it “year of the Linux Desktop”.. just like every year since ’95.
The heck with “The Year”.. it’s come and gone.. Linux based OS work fine as a desktop but everyone will always have there preference and always claim that this is or is not the year of the XYZ Desktop and death of the UVW Desktop.
Use it or don’t; stop looking for everyone else’s approval and agreement because for some, there will always be an infintesmal reason it won’t be their year of the Linux based OS.
(Rant directed generally rather than at an specific poster)
As for Acer, we’ll have to see how it works out in the end. Dell has kept it going though still lacks marketing and obfuscates the website. Asus is playing both sides but as a hardware manufacturer they should be leveraging software competition.
With the decline of the benefits of the EeePC (or evolution into just another little notebook), we’ll have to watch how the subnotbook market goes now that other contenders are joining in.
I always did like Acer, now I know why
100 pounds more for a windows xp model with less battery life, I think that sway a lot of people to the linux model, if only for price.
This would go very well with the Ubuntu Netbook remix that is being worked on at the moment, since its being targeted specifically for this type of device. Ubuntu would be the perfect match for Acer, and they are aready working with Intel on the same type of platform. I definitely see Ubuntu being the platform of choice for the netbooks era and Acer would do well to pay attention.
Some of these new gizmos look very nice; some not so nice. I guess it will be a few months before Intel’s Atom beds down, though.
I’m suspicious of quite a lot of the Linux noise around these new “laptots”. You’d think that if some of the hardware companies – many of them big names – behind these new machines were really serious, they’d be using solid and well-known distros. Instead they are using no-name stuff and home-brew. It’s hardly a vote of confidence in Red Hat/Fedora, SuSE, Mandriva or Ubuntu all of whom have topnotch, tried and tested desktop offerings.
This couldn’t be, could it, because the Far Eastern hardware outfits don’t give a rat’s posterior about Linux itself, and probably don’t understand it as an eco-system either. It’s just cheap and Microsoft, caught napping, didn’t have a ready OS to slot into the machines. As others have pointed out, wads of cash are only too likely to decide this one. Like any company, Acer are betting big on profits, not on an operating system.
I’m looking forward to see what the Dell offering turns out to be like, or even a Mac one which would be really k.
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if the linux community itself understood the concept of ecosystem we wouldn’t have all of these distros. There would be one OS called Linux and you could play with it any way you want but it wouldn’t be an official linux OS.
“if the linux community itself understood the concept of ecosystem we wouldn’t have all of these distros. There would be one OS called Linux and you could play with it any way you want but it wouldn’t be an official linux OS.”
We could call it PCLinuxOS
if the linux community itself understood the concept of ecosystem we wouldn’t have all of these distros. There would be one OS called Linux and you could play with it any way you want but it wouldn’t be an official linux OS.
It just won’t happen. Some distros have feature A, whereas other have feature B, and then while it would be possible to have both A+B in a distro there is also the feature C which isn’t compatible with either..Ie. distros are aimed at different kinds of groups and uses. Some distros are a lot better suited for f.ex. running servers, while some of them are aimed at very old hardware and need to be light, and so on.
Besides, there isn’t just one version of Windows either…you need two hands to count the different versions of Vista for example.
You’re right.. but ideally, there should be only one version of Vista too.
And anyway, you’re comparing apples to oranges. If I compile a program in one version of Vista, the same executable will almost always install and run unmodified in any other version. I don’t have to re-package/modify it to run on a different version. And in most cases, it’ll also work on all versions of XP and 2k.
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You are twisting the truth there.
Vista only apps will never run on XP, no matter how hard you try…
Compiling an application from source will run on any Linux distro, and with a little modification, on BSD systems too !
BUT, I think you meant pre-packaged applications from one system will not install correctly on another.
hmm… well for Debian based Linux distros there is the Alien package, which will convert RPM files in DEB files.. and vice versa.
So lets look at the whole Linux packaging.
DEB = Used on Debian based systems, Debian, Ubuntu, Mepis: Can be converted by Alien
RPM = Used on Redhat based systems, Redhat, Fedora, Mandriva: Can be converted by Alien
TGZ – Used by Slackware based systems, Slackware, Vectorlinux: Source code tarball that should compile on any other system.
So, can you now tell me how I can install Halo 2 on an XP machine ?
your win64 compiled apps run on win2k?
And that is both Linux’ strongest and weakest points. Choice is good, but only if your market is capable of making use of the choice. Your average computer user doesn’t give a flying **** about choice, they just want it to work. Too much choice is confusing, and therefore undesirable.
All the people pushing Linux just must not be able to look at computers and software from the eyes of the average user, cos Linux keeps making the same mistakes.
One DE. One package management system. One distro. That is the ONLY way Linux will go forward in the market. We’ll still be here in 20 years with Linux having 3% of the market I honestly believe, unless things change.
Dave
I don’t believe it has anything to do with choice.
Linux is just a kernel. The OS is Mandriva, Ubuntu, Linpus, Xandros, Fedora, XP, Vista and OpenSuse.
Mandriva packages are not compatible with Ubuntu packages, yes. But neither are Windows XP packages with Fedora ones. Here it’s not a problem of unity. Mandriva is united, and so is Fedora, Ubuntu and Windows XP.
And yes, 1000 copies of Windows XP are sold when one Ubuntu is installed. You believe it’s because Ubuntu is not compatible with Mandriva? I don’t think so. Look at reactos. reactos is (at least aims at) compatible with windows. Do you know reactos? How many people know Reactos?
The problem is elsewhere in my opinion.
I’d point out the egg and the chicken problem. Applications are not ported to Ubuntu or Fedora because almost nobody use them, whereas everybody use Windows. Everybody use Windows because the apps are available. People know windows and they buy Windows because their neightbour use Windows.
Ubuntu and Mandriva have a compatibility layer (wine), which is almost stable at version 1 (release candidate 3 as I speack). Reactos is fully compatible. Most Windows apps work on wine and therefore on Ubuntu and Mandriva. And yet, people don’t know it.
The biggest problem here is marketing. Mandriva is free. Mandriva has not the same money as Microsoft to advertise and will never pay Acer to put their OS on their computer. Another chicken and egg problem. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This always has been and this always will be. The monopoly sustains itself and nothing can change that.
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I can’t believe that you’re using ReactOS as an example of the failure of open-source to get a userbase. ReactOS is not “fully compatible” as you state, and it’s currently alpha-quality software at version 0.3.4. It tells you right there, in bold, on their web-site that it’s not for everyday use. Perhaps you’re claiming the same for Wine, but regardless of whether it’s at version 1.0 or 3.0, it does not run every Windows application flawlessly.
There are many reasons why it’s taken Linux a long time to gain a userbase, but your argument that “it hasn’t happened yet, so it’s never going to happen” is just a big blanket denial of all future developments. If that were fair, we wouldn’t even see the mainstream Linux devices that are appearing now.
Firstly, don’t nitpick me about Linux is only the kernel, I’m well and truly aware of it and was probably using Linux before you were (circa 97). I used Linux as a generic term, because that’s what most people do (mistakenly I do admit).
Yes, I know of reactos – alpha quality software, probably always will remain alphaware due to the small numbers both using, and developing it.
Microsoft is part of the reason why Linux is not seeing further adoption, but only part of the problem.
Get out and talk to ordinary users – ordinary people. You will see that the vast majority of them both dislike computers, and do not understand both the technology, and how to use them, at least to varying degrees. Herein lies the problem. When someone doesn’t understand something, they dislike complexity, or choice. Choice means more things to think or worry about, or to try and understand. When people just want to use something to get the job done, they don’t want to have to think about it. The trained monkey scenario is sadly quite true in the average home/workplace.
All this choice – Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse, Mandriva and so on and forth only splinters the Linux machine. The same applies to package management systems etc and desktop environments. Linux needs to adopt the freebsd approach – one system. It’ll make things easier for adoption by system manufacturers. At the moment, Linux is a nightmare to ensure compatibility. Imagine you’re a super application writer like Adobe. Getting a Linux release of Photoshop will probably not happen, because making it install on a current Linux distribution might be easy, but on all of them, with different system locations? Doubtful, complex and expensive. Making it work on older Linux systems with different versions of glibc? Forget it. Whilst Windows isn’t perfect, it’s a helluva lot better than Linux in this respect. Something made for Vista will almost certainly (in most cases) install on Windows 98 and vice versa.
Dave
For the type of user that you describe, a Linux ULPC (such as the EEEPC or this new Acer One) is actually an ideal and non-confusing choice.
The OS is pre-installed, all the useful applications are pre-installed … you don’t have to get anything extra, no setup required, turn it on and go … and most importantly you don’t have to bother about hard-to-understand choices … you can just turn it on and go.
Meanwhile, because the kernel is Linux and the drivers are open source … no-one who does want to make a different choice is excluded either. Just put Mandriva 2008.1 or Ubuntu Remix on your machine if you want to … the machine runs Linux, and if it runs one Linux it runs them all.
Best of both worlds. Everybody wins.
Is the goal to kill Microsoft?
Is the goal to take the market?
Is the goal to have great software that can be studied?
For many, the goal is simply good software without synthetic limitations.
“Linux” is the commodity part which many have chosen to build there own specialized distribution with. Turns out, it supports a boggling wide array of different uses.
There is just one Linux; there are multiple distinctly different but very similar OS distributions that choose to use Linux as there kernel.
I like Mandriva OS which happens to use the Linux kernel. Other’s like Debian OS while Ubuntu OS is the favourite in the media.
(I just get so tired of “there should be only one distribution” crap because choice and evolution through darwinism are two of the biggest strengths)
That’s pretty irrelevant, given the fact that Xandros, for instance, is Debian based. It’s a bit outdated but it’s stable.
Please don’t forget that in order for Linux to make an impression on non-fanboys it has first and foremost to be stable. Believe me, nobody cares what the distro is.
No-name stuff and home-brew, irrelevant categories in the Linux/FLOSS world. Four years ago, nobody had ever heard of Ubuntu.
That’s obvious in any corporocracy. But are you claiming that Novell does? Or IBM? Don’t be shocked if I tell you that they’re in it for the money too, and nothing else. No FLOSS “ideals” there either. Just a model of making money.
“Four years ago, nobody had ever heard of Ubuntu.”
And in four years’ time, how many people do you think will have hard of Linpus, a name that sounds like a nasty boil? I suspect you’re making a false comparison. Hardware makers are interested in profits from hardware; they have no commitment to a Linux distribution, unless they think they are in a business different from the one they are actually in. Canonical have made Ubuntu a success because they are interested in Linux and F/OSS.
Actually, I’ve read that the Dell ultra-mobile may pack Ubuntu, which is surely good news. Which means that Dell owners can look forward to some solid support from a large community of developers and a solid upgrade path for years to come. Somehow, that’s got to be rather more than Linpus-fanciers are likely to get. I mean, how many Far Eastern hardware companies are known for supporting their products rather than dumping them after 6-12 months?
I was merely stating that being “no-name”, “home-brew” means nothing. There isn’t any kind of moral obligation on the part of OEMs to install distros like Ubuntu. Ubuntu is simply not as stable as RHEL, Xandros, Debian Stable or other distros that many Linux hipsters look down upon because its either corporate, or old, or non-shiny, or whatever. Stability and things being extremely well-tested is a thousand times more important than the latest Compiz plugin running on the latest X.org beta.
Sorry for asking, but what point are you trying to make? Of course they are. They’re not a charity. Do you think they care about non-FLOSS software? They don’t care as long as it works for the consumer and it works for them.
Obviously, you’re right about that last part, but your scorn of the non-cool distros is just not realistic.
What do you mean, that people that just want to use their laptop are going to RTFM, JFGI and scroll down thousands of Ubuntu forums? Who says that a company cannot give support?
There is a difference between Linux fans and Linux users. My dad would never google a problem with his Linux desktop, he calls me. And he’s right. Why do Linux fans, a group among which I could count myself, pretend that all Linux users are studying for their RHCE??
What’s that about? In what sense are Asus, Sony, Lenovo, Acer, MSI, Toshiba, Fujitsu Siemens, Samsung, more likely to give consumers the finger than HP, Apple or Dell? Does it matter what the origin of the corporation is? It’s all more or less a multinational business anyway.
This is about corporations finally becoming a bit more independent of MS. That’s in itself an interesting development, especially since this is not a one-dimensional process. Xandros is clearly a MS satellite, a more interesting question would be if this Linpus business is *less* so. I suspect it actually is more independent.
Don’t forget on every Asus Eee there’s a few bucks in it for Microsoft. Most people don’t even know, though.
Didn’t Nintendo just recently stop supporting the first or second generation console? hehe.. must be just another far east company dropping the product 6 to 12 months out.
It doesn’t matter … Linux is Linux. Different distributions package together different application sets … but there is only one Linux kernel.
The drivers are part of the kernel. The fact that Acer runs Linpus Linux means it runs the Linux kernel, and that Linux drivers exists for all of its hardware.
That means I can put Mandriva 2008.1 on it, or Ubuntu Remix, or any other Linux varinat designed for one of these ULPMC machines … and it will run. Guaranteed.
All of the applications are the same anyway … OpenOffice 2.3 running on Linpus Lite is the same application as OpenOffice 2.3 running on Ubuntu.
It doesn’t amtter one whit if Linpus Linux does not exist in four years time … your machine will still be supported by some Linux distribution somewhere, and you will still be able to run all of the latest updates of the same applications.
Don’t sweat it … and don’t get so mired in Windows-think.
You are right in what you say – all these distros are great
But what happens when (say) ubuntu upgrades from 8.04 to 9.xx? When all those acer “laptot” users click “upgrade my distribution” and it has some flaw that renders it inoperable on all those laptots?
Acer suddenly is faced with a support nightmare across tens of thousnads of users and horrific bad press, and the majority of these will be casual users without a clue how to fix it -> call Acer, who may not even be able to do anything once the damage is done.
that is why they won’t trust their name to an external entity, no matter how good it is right now, they want confidence and testing on their own distro they control.
They can do what Dell does and have Canonical support the OS themselves. Not only does Canonical get user feedback and customer service experience but Acer doesn’t have to support the OS themselves other than your basic troubleshooting steps. They can roll the cost of service into the price of the netbook or provide an extended service package where users can pay an extra fee for Canonical’s service. I mean this is how companies like Red Hat built their corporation, the distro is free, its the support that people pay for.
EEEPC uses Xandros (based in turn on Debian). Xandros is based in Canada.
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=xandros
HP 2133 mini-note uses SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10.
MSI Wind uses SuSe.
Wallmart’s Cloudbook uses gOS, which in turn is Ubuntu-based.
Acer uses Linpus Lite … which in turn is based on Fedora.
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=linpus
Dell already uses Ubuntu … so Dell’s upcoming mini-Inspiron is most likely to use Ubuntu remix, IMO.
I’ll believe this when Acer cleans up their website to be alt-os friendly, and gets rid of the “best viewed with IE6…” bullshit.
Until then, I chalk it up to “me too” marketing.
Besides, I tried to find some more info in their site and got this:
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HTTP 403.9 – Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected
Internet Information Services
More information:
Microsoft Support
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So much for betting big on Linux
;D
Even if Acer vents the Linux thing to get a discount from Microsoft it is still great news. The simple thing that another hardware vendor will sell linux PCs is great news. Microsoft was caught with the pants down. Maybe Bill $ Steve will try to put together a Windows version for Acer, maybe they will even succeed. Still the fact that Acer will offer an alternative to Windows, is great news. The market share of Linux will go only up. Steady but up.
“ACER is pushing aggressively to secure big discount on it’s Windows volume liscense agreement with Microsoft, by saying they’ll sell Linux (and to not actually bother), they’ll scare Microsoft, get a big discount like the OLPC folks did, and profit.”
You SERIOUSLY think ACER wants to waste money selling Linux to a few Zealots?
A: Nup!
Sadly, I have to agree. I don’t think that Acer has the stones to primarily offer Linux (because, let’s face it, the market for Linux is still nascent) so, really, this just seems to be a play to reduce its Windows OEM licensing costs. We can confirm this within a few months by going to Acer’s website: If they aren’t promoting Linux models, we’ll know they were full of it.
Edited 2008-06-05 02:20 UTC
They dont sell Linux, they sell computers. They really dont care what OS is on it as long as a) it is cost effective and b) the customer is happy with it.
“You SERIOUSLY think ACER wants to waste money selling Linux to a few Zealots? ”
So analogue everyone who lacks $1000 is a zealot?
* Acer sold millions …
* Asus sold millions …
* Dell Sold millions …
Etc …
They are all increasing there GNU/Linux offers and even GNU/Linux is behind the netbook category …
Reality is that there is no zealot as reportaed by anonymous coward like you and others here but millions of clients and that the OEM are making sure they are competiting for that high paying market category.
That don’t mean Windows won’t be offered , just yet , just that it’s not going to be the only choice available on some models.
Care to provide anything to backup your claims? Dell wouldn’t tell how much they sold last time they were mentioned in an articel here on osnews.
But reality is what you claim it is..?
And thats good as long as i don’t have to pay some linux tax insted of a windows tax.
We already established numerous time before That I unlike you don’t make claims or lies or inuendo …
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8541837412.html
http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/tags/Linux/default.aspx
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2005/05/03/acer-starts-…
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071105-game-changer-asus-eee…
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49297132,00.htm
http://gizmodo.com/5012578/msi-wind-priced-to-kick-assus
I know Dell or OsNews don’t really have an interest in keeping you up to date , since your into bulshit and lies and being a coward …
No , Reality is what I say , I dont make claims.
GNU/Linux is asked by clients , unlike Windows witch Microsoft bribe it’s way into the default.
Theorically Computer from OEM should be available without an OS or with the OS of your choice or with all the OS an OEM can offer on the model. Otherwise your in a Monopoly ( witch Microsoft is convicted off ) or collusion situation ( again Microsoft was convicted of this ).
Apple is the exception as they create there own hardware and there own OS. They also provide the tools to install other OS an don’t bar anyone else OS from there computers.
You making your usual claims doesnt make it established…
What a waste of time. You fail yet again at providing anything to backup your claims. The only thing you can show is that the Mac outsells both linux and windows.
Sadly for you i don’t have to lie to make my point unlike you. I don’t have to provide bs claims either again unlike you. But do provide the dell numbers.
But in the real world what you say arent reality.
What clients? I’m happy to pay for my software but i don’t pay for crapware. Hence i don’t wanna pay those OS taxes.
I’d take a computer without a OS everyday in the week.
You started out so good but then you failed yet again. You don’t get a monopoly from OEMs only selling pc’s with an OS. And you don’t get convicted for having a monopoly you get convited for misusing the power that comes with the monopoly thats how it works in the real world but in your world it migth be different.
I dont make claim and yes it’s established , sorry for your usual delusion.
I agree , your dumb and usal shit are a real waste of time.
I failed nothing , I showed , as alwats that I was right and offered many site that provide the information you requested. as always it’s not sufficient to please your nonsense and fabultaion.
No It shows that GNU/Linux sells in the millions , that the numbers are on records that many vendors are starting to push more models too and that they make deal at the default level too. Learn to read properly in english …
Your delusionnal , your the one lying right now and all the time ….
I don’t make claim , your the one always making BS and you provided absolutely NOTHING.
Same offer as always stop being a coward and lets meet in court to prove your point …
The one reported in the links I gave that you suddenly went senil in seeing , being included in my last comment …
Yes so ? It’s personnal preference and like I said , the market nor anyone don’t really care about fullfilling the need of an online personna … The GNU/Linux industry and the GNU/Linux clients on the otehr end are beginning to be satisfied in greater number.
I failed at nothing , have never failed responding to you and never will …
Reality and the courts around the world disgaree with you , as usual…
You don’t live in the real world Hamster … that’s why you hide your real name.
http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=microsoft+convic…
I replyed to you , it is satisfactory for everyone else who is not a moron or coward like you.
What would you call it then?
The only dumb thing i have done recently is replying to your posts and by that feeding a huge troll.
Uhh big words from a small mind. Do provide those quotes you say show the so called high sale of linux computers.
It seems your the one with reading and understanding problems. But again you should provide quotes to backup your so called facts.
And yet your the only one that was cougth in a lie. Again i might add.
You got something almost right. I do not provide all that much. I unlike you do try to make sure my claims are backuped by facts. Without me having to provide a bs logic like yours on them to make them fit.
And i would bother because? A quick look shows that most of your posts arent to good. And most arent in touch with reality either.
First link tells os that OSX outsells windows and that the auther personal seems to think that linux will outsell them both.
Guess the millions of clients must be those asus predicts they will sell in 2008.
Second link tells os that dell will be at Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit. I see thats a big deal.
Third link tells us nothing about numbers but only that acer will be selling linux computers. Who really cares?
Fourth link tells us about asus again without numbers. One could think you wrote it if only it wasnt written by someone with a sane mind.
Fith tells us that dell will join the party with yet another small laptop. Wonder if they will make it same say they do it with the ubuntu offerings.
The last link tells us about the MSI Wind. This one can also be bought as a windows version. Wonder why that is if linux is all that..?
what industry and what clients are you talking about? You claim that i could see what clients it was by reading your links but yet again you failed and was cought in a lie.
You fail as usual at providing any thing to backup your so called argument
Because you say so right?
I do not live in the kind of world you live in thats right. I don’t live in my parents basement.
You might wanna learn the meaning of a monopoly it surely would help you. But then again so would makeing sure your so called facts are facts.
“What would you call it then? ”
Recorded facts.
“The only dumb thing i have done recently is replying to your posts and by that feeding a huge troll. ”
No , you don’t respond or participate you simply insult me.
“Uhh big words from a small mind. Do provide those quotes you say show the so called high sale of linux computers. ”
At least I have a mind … I gave you full article.
” It seems your the one with reading and understanding problems. But again you should provide quotes to backup your so called facts.”
I said something witch I backed up with article , that enough for normal people …
“And yet your the only one that was cougth in a lie. Again i might add.”
I made no lie I said Asus , Dell , Acer sold millions of GNU/Linux computer and provided source article to backup that facts. You are the one lying when you say it’s not enough and that those where lies …
“You got something almost right. I do not provide all that much. I unlike you do try to make sure my claims are backuped by facts. Without me having to provide a bs logic like yours on them to make them fit.”
No I was 100% right your not providing anything and are just making up lies as usual.
“And i would bother because? A quick look shows that most of your posts arent to good. And most arent in touch with reality either.”
Easy money then , but we both know your the one always lying and know that my comment are accurate , they just show the opposite of what you want people to believe.
“First link tells os that … Wonder why that is if linux is all that..? ”
You just confirmed that you did not read entirely the link I gave , sure you took what you wanted from them but the real summary differ from your reworded fabulations …
“what industry and what clients are you talking about?”
GNU/Linux , GNU/Linux desktop , GNU/Linux OS , etc …
“You claim that i could … and was cought in a lie. ”
I don’t make claims I said anyone not biased and lying like you can see the numbers I am talking about in the links I gave.
“You fail as usual at providing any thing to backup your so called argument”
Now they are arguments … I did not fail to substantiate my facts about what I said with links that provide information on different vendors.
“Because you say so right?”
Nope , Because the judges and court said so , I am just remembering them and mentioning them.
“I do not live in the kind of world you live in thats right. I don’t live in my parents basement. ”
You live in your parent hatics , nice of for you …
“You might wanna learn the meaning of a monopoly it surely would help you. But then again so would makeing sure your so called facts are facts.”
I got it right , but we both know your an illegal lying coward , You don’t care about fact , reality and the truth or being right , you only care about insulting me.
See you in court when you grow up kid.
Well then it shouldn’t be a problem to show the rest of us those facts now would it? Unless it’s because they arent real facts.
Now why would i insult you? Your are one meaning less troll so why even bother?
What does that help you if they arent telling us what you want us to know?
Now i can make up some fact aswell and throw an artical about something else aswell. But that wont help my arguement. Just like it wont help you when you link to an artikel about some shitty small laptop that should be a asus eee killer. Now how does that tell us anything about the millions of copies you talked about?
Quote the article… It cant be that hard when you continue to claim it’s there.
You do talk big but fail do deliver… You remind me of small dog. More sound then bite.
You have yet to provide anything to back up any of your arguments and yet you claim your posts are accurate..? Your surely must be joking.
I just read the articles. I don’t have a need like you to provide my own logic on the article to make it fit into my world view.
Ahh to hard to figure some bs answer out?
Oh so i’m biased aswell now? Towards what?
But where were the millions of computers numbers in the articles? Was it that estimate from asus for their sales in 2008 you were refering to?
You remember something and then apply your own logic to make it fit. But yet again you are wrong. It is not illegal to have a monopoly. Hell Microsoft don’t even have one. You would know that if you knew the meaning of a monopoly.
Well you might get it right in your own little pathetic world but in the real world your wrong.
Thats something you don’t want to notparker. Any sane judge wont by your bs either.
You should send you guardian angle here on the site a cookie for keeping a hand over you. Notparker was an angle compared to you. But then again i wouldn’t be surpriced if you and notparker are the one and same person.
I did …
Learn the meaning of troll … If I am meaningless why is your account mostly reply to me ?
They do , you just decide to declare them invalid.
You actually make up fact , you say I am lying all the time and that I am wrong and that the article don’t state numbers , wicth are all false …
Why ? I gave you the full article , we both know your not going to agree with anything I will write , so it’s pointless to point the numbers in the article witch you will dispute.
Failure according to you is to deliver 5 article on the subject with number in them … it’s actually achieving the objective in reality.
My recorded facts are all backed up , I am not the one claiming they don’t exist , you are , And your the one who is a joke.
That’s what you did you fictionnalized and fabulatory summarized them. There is more content then your summary let on …
I don’t need BS , I got reality
You always have been , toward any opposite of what I will say. your like a scripted answer of an opposite.
Read them again …
No , that’s what you fixated an want to point to , read the rest … follow the links in the article too.
No , because then that would be fiction and lies , that’s your domain.
The board game no , the control over an industry as a recognized monopoly tru illegal moves yes …
They are condemned as one …
[/q]You would know that if you knew the meaning of a monopoly. [/q]
You keep reversing reality , it’s you who as a problem accepting reality , when the court declare you as a monopoly , you are one … Hamster legal interpreation of reality is considered meaningless.
Like I said meet you in court over that kid. Until then your coward made lying comment are just that.
1. I am not notparker.
2. It’s easy money then for you , but reality is your the one making libel under a coward name and saying bullshit.
Cookie is for children like you so that they behave.
You are contradicting yourself you say , I am notparker , but then he was an angel and bla bla bla.
you know “I hate you and I will lye and disagree with you all the time” is shorter and simpler. I don’t know any of your post that are not resumed by this.
done responding to you in this thread.
You know i wasted enough time on you. Your nothing but stupidity in it’s purest form. A complete waste of fresh air. You failed to deliever any thing to backup your claims yet again. But thats not something new when it’s you.
No wonder linux wont take of with people like you talking about it.
I am truly sorry for comparing your with Notparker though. Not for your sake but for Notparker. He actually said something usefull at times.