Hyperion has replied to the litigation started by Amiga Inc. “Whilst it is not Hyperion Entertainment’s policy to comment on ongoing litigation, we would like to reassure our customers that development of AmigaOS 4.0 related components is still ongoing and will continue apace during the duration of the litigation with Amiga Inc. […] We welcome the opportunity to finally present our case in a court of law which was regrettably the only remaining avenue after Amiga Inc. repeatedly and consistently stonewalled any attempt to resolve the outstanding issues. […] In closing, we would like to remind dealers and other third parties that distribution of Amiga OS 4.0 without the prior permission of Hyperion VOF and certain third party developers is illegal under EU, US and international copyright legislation and therefore entirely at their own risk.”
Hyperion screwed up badly by being so far behind with development and breaking contract details.
But Amiga Inc will probably screw them even more after suing whats left of their money.
I REALLY hope OS5 has really had development or AINC could be screwed without an OS. It’s a sad state of affairs.
And so the saga continues …
….what you sow.
RIP Hyperion.
You know, I am usually not one to say “Hey, what’s this doing on OSNews?”, and I’m sure this is of great interest to someone. And I know that we’re all supposed to be interested in all this cool OS related news.
But more than anything, Amiga news reminds me of a bad daytime soap.
It just goes oooooon and oooooon and ooooon, year after year after year.
And nothing ever seems to actually happen.
Perhaps I should pay more attention. Soaps are really boring until you pay enough attention to really get into one.
Until then, you don’t really care if Sheila decides to have the baby, or if Wayne and Melissa ever get back together, or if Jennifer dies, or if Jack ever recovers from his cocaine addiction, or…. if Amiga sues Hyperion.
If all else fails, maybe they can sell the Amiga name to a TV network and they can do a miniseries. đŸ˜‰
Edited 2007-05-01 23:36
I know there is a lot of nostalgic Amiga users, but, all this maremagnum of licensing issues, sues, patents, expensive hardware and all that complications, are not needed anymore for that OS/Hardware…
Let’s play on AROS (www.aros.org) and let these guys fighting on.
>>I REALLY hope OS5 has really had development
<the matrix>There is no OS5</the matrix>
Nostalgic Amiga users :
– It’s the buy and sell and takeover of the Amiga,
– it’s the waiting time,
– the long, very long delays,
– the vaporware,
– the BETA motherboard that cost just too much to play with a Alpha/Beta OS.
Now it’s litigation and a “classic” PC for 500$ with less than stellar spec.
Can I ask why their is still Amiga Fans? Why not poor all the loving for AROS?
Just my .02$
“Can I ask why there are still Amiga fans?”
T,FTFY. And that’s a valid question, if we can skip past the nostalgia excuse. I romanticize my ancient Mac Plus past with the best of them, for instance (which is probably why I don’t dig all this newfangled NeXTOSX stuff), but I just don’t have the will to chase it. And that’s even knowing I can emulate 68k and PPC. Come to think of it, having that option might make the difference.
Spellcheck wrote:
Because we have the best ever made OS.
An OS simple and linear and lightweight which responds our commands immediately.
It not spies us, nor uses stupid registers or hidden services, neither has cryptic /usr, /bin, /src, directories full of unuseful devices and neither requires a degree in information tech to being used.
We are benign pleasantly addicted by this OS and we can’t live without it, once we discovered its ease of use. đŸ˜‰
When the question is asked, “why are there still Amiga Fans?” the usual answer is that the Amiga was far ahead of it’s time, blah blah blah. Now that your average handheld two-double-A battery operated video game machine easily outperforms the best classic Amiga in every way, this reason doesn’t really stand anymore. But that was never the reason why there are _still_ Amiga Fans. There are still Amiga Fans because AmigaOS was a very _comfortable_ OS. It was sophisticated enough to do what you want, but didn’t contain a lot of stuff you didn’t need. It was friendly — for example case-insensitive file system — powerful, but simple enough for an interested user to really understand.
People still want to maintain that experience. They’ve had it before — they know it’s possible — and they hope for it again. BeOS was another OS of that style. Innovative, friendly, simple, and of course, desktop-oriented, which is really what we are talking about here.
I feel that Linux in general and Ubuntu in particular is very slowly “finding” this, although it’s built on a more-complex-than-strictly-necessary foundation. Feisty Fawn is smooth (responsive), most stuff is “there”, and it’s becoming more of a joy to use. It’s quirky enough (brown theme for example) and has enough neato-features, both visible (beryl, although this isn’t official), and appealing only to the techs (xen) where home users can feel that they are “really on to something”, much like someone who gets a nice feeling when they see the brand of car they drive has a representative in the race car world.
I’d love to distill what the “key features” are for an OS that gets adored, as an exercise in cognitive science.
Is it just me, or is the specific wording (“at their own risk”) a sort of backhanded way of encouraging it?
“Is it just me, or is the specific wording (“at their own risk”) a sort of backhanded way of encouraging it?”
I was thinking the same thing… the *EXACT* same thing.
No matter who wins, Amiga, Inc. or Hyperion… in the end, only the Amiga fanbase loses.
“No matter who wins, Amiga, Inc. or Hyperion… in the end, only the Amiga fanbase loses.”
Yes, all two of us. The blokes that litter the Amigaforums are only in it for the daytime soap.
Sadly, the real Amiga fans left a loooooong time ago. Hey couldn’t stand watching all the forum flame warriors beat the poor dead horse over and over and over again…
You know, it’s not that horrible that people continue to use these recent Amiga articles to advertise AROS (a non-Amiga operating system). You just mod the ads down and go on.
But when they won’t even bother to use normal English… *grumble*
Wow. How did that get modded down? o_o;
It’s off-topic at the very least, and mild flamebait at worst.
Thats what happends when they dont embrace Open Source.
Greedy company business suit guys take over and get the cash that are invested and amiga-fanboys spent over the years .
Amiga.inc is ran by business-maffia guys not enthusiastic programmers.
I hope the fanbase boycotts it completely , they dont deserve better.
Meanwhile i’ll just use AROS
Edited 2007-05-02 03:54
Perhaps it’s time the Amiga community follows the BeOS comunity and abandon hopes of a “real” AmigaOS making a comeback and instead put their efforts in to an opensource clone of the original. Isn’t AROS chasing this goal?
You really don’t want to open up *that* can of worms.
No name you see.
I believe AROS has to reach a certain point for people to switch. That is, to have a;
Browser
Email (YAM)
UAE Emulation
A couple of more applications
That’s it, and I think people will switch en-mass.
…I’d be a happy man.
The UNIX-like OS’s have a cryptic directory structure where all of the files are stored, Windows isn’t that great despite all of its supposed popularity, MacOSX is repackaged Darwin BSD and, like Windows, consumes lots of memory. WHAT’S LEFT!?
Haiku with an integrated UAE engine (Just double click a 68k Amiga app and it launches in own window like a native app) would be an interesting next gen Amiga methinks.
Let’s be honest here, I’ve used an Amiga as well and saying that the Unix-like operating systems have cryptic file systems compared to the Amiga is just wrong. In Fact the Amiga OS is very unix like in a lot of ways. But in my opinion that is what makes it great!
Amiga has C, Classes, Devs, Expansion, Fonts, L (what the hell is L?), Libs, Locale, Prefs, Rexxc, S, Storage, System, Tools, Utilities, WBStartup.
Plus you always have the info files that serve as icons, but not all files have icons (which I think is a good / bad thing) I do love the Amiga operating system, but really like the Unix file-system as well. If you simply do a little reading on both of them you’ll know why they are the way they are.
Leech wrote:
No please… Amiga has very few of Unix like… FORTUNATELY…
It uses the slash to navigate the directory “/” but this is the only similar thing…
Then Amiga filesystems deal with Devices and peripherals with their proper name:
DF0: DF1: HD0: HD1: (Device floppy 0 and 1, Hard Disk 0 and 1, and so on)…
Devices are entity of their own as in DOS/Windows, and not inscribed into the filesystem…
True…
And you don’t see the difference with Unix/Linux?
Names of system directories are created for HUMANS and to by read and understood directly by HUMAN BEINGS…
In Unix you have /bin /boot /dev /etc /home /lib /lost+found /mnt /proc /root /sbin /tmp /usr /var
Unix seeems an OS created for people who suffered a mayor brain syncope and lost their capability to talk as HUMANS…
LOL!
again Unix-like systems just proof to be created for geeks who want to keep their knowledge over the masses.
Unix is eliteist, Amiga is for the masses.
Also AmigaOS has no necessity to delay with obliged capitals…
A file named HelloWorld, or helloworld or HeLlOwOrLd will be reckognized from the OS despite of the fact how it is written…
This is another feature that keeps Amiga an OS for HUMANS and do not force you “the average JOE USER” to squeeze your brain to remember how it was the correct name of the file you are searching for…
Also Shell of Amiga advice you of the deletion of a file, does Unix shell still miss this useful information?
It is just a matter of commodity.
You can have files with icons, or files without icons.
But you can force the system to show all files with virtual icons if you desire to.
Files and programs with icons have a major benefit.
You can store additional information into the icon (and infact the suffix for the icons in Amiga is .info)…
Perhaps for example if you open a program, and you modify its .info file, then you can store in it some additional informations such as for example:
– the request to open the program in the resolution that you want (800×600 or 1024×768, etc.)
– a minimal stack to run the program (4096, 8192, 32768, 65536, and beyond)…
You can add The request to open it minimized, or on s separate screen, and so on…
If we make a summary then we can say that:
1) The phisical icons into Amiga are used to run a program wih a simple click
2) phisical icons of data files are used to open the datafile into the productivity application who created the data.
3) icons into Amiga can be used to store addictional data. For xample icons of programs can store the options that you usually type in a command line of a shell
But the best of Amiga is that you can get rid of any icon and use Directory listers, or also use simly the command line interface Shell.
Raffaele wrote:
UNIX sucks manhood in *grouping* files together (i.e. the dir/FS structure), but it shines in the way that it has a virtual filesystem which wrapps around the real filesystems, u can mount any device (filesystem) at whatever and as many locations in this VFS as u desire, I like this very very much, it’s very customizable obviously, sadly, UNIX sucks unstoppably at everything else related to the FS structure (oh and its bloat anyway).
Regarding icons, those really should be locked up in a dir in the same dir that contains the icons right now, preferably it should be like this, if there is this dir “Quake” (containing the game files) then the custom icons should’nt go right into the root but something like this:
if we have..
PATH/TO/Quake/ (the root)
PATH/TO/Quake/file1
PATH/TO/Quake/file2
then there shouldnt be..
PATH/TO/Quake/file1.info
PATH/TO/Quake/file2.info
but..
PATH/TO/Quake/_System/Icons/file1.info
PATH/TO/Quake/_System/Icons/file2.info
The reason it is better is because right now the icons (info files) are hidden by default, but if one opens the shell and types “dir” those will show up, and thats annoying. So what to do ? someone would say “ok lets just hide them in the shell also” but then whenever you’d do “dir” the command would report “X hidden files”, you’d wonder what those are and you’d everytime investigate those.
However if those would be contained by – say – “_System/Icons/” then “_System” would not need to be hidden in the shell solving the problem. (I run WinXP and I HATE having the custom icons right next to the files)
Also the shell needs to support these info files (at least the DEFAULT TOOL attribute) for convenient shell usage.
Edited 2007-05-04 00:19
@ __xodam__
You wrote:
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Well you gets things complicated as in Unix…
Keep AmigaOS simple.
Experienced people are not afraid of seeing both file1 + file1.info, and it does not harms the systems, neither harms the command SORT of all files.
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AmigaOS Shell (the command line interface) does not have these problems…
first) Fior example tou can assign a STACK to a program simply invoking command Stack just before the program you have to run…
Amigashell DH0:/paintprograms> Stack 65535
Amigashell DH0:/paintprograms> ImageFX
“DEFAULT TOOL” option into .info (icon) file simply opens the program which originated the data file in the beginning…
For example an image file which has been originated by DeluxePaint will have DPAINT as DEFAULT TOOL.
Invoking the icon it just will open DeluxePaint program, and then it will loaded the image file.
From Shell you could open easily data file by any other compatible program by invoking datafile as an argument.
Amigashell DH0:/programs> productivity_program (space) datafile
Or again you could load the datafile by using productivity program standard OPEN menu option
Amigashell DH0:/programs> productivity_program
(then with menu you open the file you want)
Third) You underestimate Amiga programmers.
In these 21 years of AmigaOS there were created many tools to interact Shell with .info files.
You can easily find the “.info modify tool by shell” that match your preferences into Aminet big repository of all Open Source development ever made for Amiga.
http://www.aminet.net
Where are the higher end hardware specs?
Hyperion is a complete joke IMO.
Edited 2007-05-03 02:32
Good Question. I think the high-end specs were supposed to follow the low-end specs but with the litigation pending, I think these things will have to wait a while. One thing that’s a fair certainty is that it will NOT be multi-core/multi-processor since AmigaOS 4 doesn’t support these architectures at this time.
Amiga was the best desktop OS of it’s day. Too bad the world went from lean and fun to how-complicated-can-we-make-it systems.
UAC in Vista — you gotta love the Mac commercial with the security guy.
“You’ve come to a sad realization, allow or deny?” -Allow.
“its day”