It’s always good to get the reminders out that there ARE alternatives to FreeBSD. I currently am going through the process to try to get the NetBSD port on a dreamcast.
Anyways, I have noticed that the BSDs in general seem to be releasing more consistently as of late – is this due to a rejuvination due to increased interest, an optimisation, fear of solaris/linux encroachment, or a combination or another variable I have not considered? Input would be appreciated.
Anyways, congratulations once again to the NetBSD. This seems to be shaping up to be quite the release.
Well heres even another BSD thats not GUI install. people would run after BSD’s OS systems if that thy could install them. Theres PC-BSD that I have tryed..and it looks to much like candy. and the screen resolution is to big and will not let you set it.
Other than that.. the BSD Os’s are very nice. My fav is FreeBSD. But I have yet you install it.. I have been trying for about 8 years. So the only that I use is Linux. I was a windows user for years untill this Spyware thing started like wild fire. I have yet to install this BSD and have it to set up right.
Is there something about a plain text screen that scares you? If so, then you had better skip *BSD, because sometimes it makes you descend to the command line to do certain administrative functions. In a way, the text mode installer is a warning that this isn’t an OS easy enough for Aunt Tillie. In such a case, skip *BSD, skip Linux, skip Windows, and go straight to Mac OSX, and don’t look back.
and whats so great about the “graphical” installers other distros use? i put quotes around graphical since many of these installs really are text-based, its just text rendered through a GUI widget with mouse support. whoopee.
look at the new debian installer. really, whats the point of the graphical support? its just the old installer with a new UI.
anyway, who are these people who are so afraid of the arrow, space and enter keys???
Also if you complain that NetBSD is hard to install the major issue, imho, is how to keep your OS up-to-date.
Also packages, pkgsrc.org, are released every Quarter.
Other than that, I hope they are working on something to allow easy updates following the NetBSD tradition “it’s ready when it’s right” and also they are working on a way to release more frequently packages binaries due to the lot of money they had from recently donations, I’ve always liked NetBSD so congrats to the team.
damn right… Any one can install NetBSD, OpenBSD, Gentoo, Slackware, or nearly any other OS I ever tried.. But FreeBSD??!! Where does this installer come from?? I never understood anything about that install process…
And please, their handbook is just way too bloated to be read.
once i can afford to buy a decent test machine (at least 2 dual core opterons and at least 4gb of ram), i plan on doing benchmarks of current versions of menuet, dragonfly, freebsd, netbsd, openbsd, darwin, solaris, and linux… probably sometime next year…
I intended to install NetBSD on my tiny home server, but at the end, I had to go back to FreeBSD.
The system might be very nice, but unfortunately the NetBSD guide is far behind the FreeBSD Handbook. Mostly because of that, I find FBSD quite easier to use.
Does anyone know of any step-by-step tutorial which explains how to build FreeBSD-like jails on NetBSD? I guess it involves chroot and extensive use of systrace.
Hopefully the NetBSD team will invest time and effort to improve the documentation for NetBSD 4.0.
Run NetBSD or Linux, kernel modified after Your choice.
On my home server, NetBSD as Dom0, because I prefer pf, a firewall DomU-1 (netbsd, pf) with two nics (“Using PCI devices in guest domains”), fileserver DomU-2 (netbsd) to download things bittorrent, streamripper, etc, Tor/privoxy-server DomU-3 (Debian, convenient chroot scripts), Info-server DomU-4 (Debian/Woody, system built 3 years ago). All running at the same time, same server. And I plan to setup some webbservers for testing (Linux/NetBSD). And perhaps more to play with.
So depending on Your hardware and diskspace You can do many more things with Xen.
For me the NetBSD documentation have been enought to set up a Xen server with NetBSD as Dom0, recompile the kernels, build new systems, etc. When that fails, Google Handbook. Or else the brain.
It’s always good to get the reminders out that there ARE alternatives to FreeBSD. I currently am going through the process to try to get the NetBSD port on a dreamcast.
Anyways, I have noticed that the BSDs in general seem to be releasing more consistently as of late – is this due to a rejuvination due to increased interest, an optimisation, fear of solaris/linux encroachment, or a combination or another variable I have not considered? Input would be appreciated.
Anyways, congratulations once again to the NetBSD. This seems to be shaping up to be quite the release.
Well heres even another BSD thats not GUI install. people would run after BSD’s OS systems if that thy could install them. Theres PC-BSD that I have tryed..and it looks to much like candy. and the screen resolution is to big and will not let you set it.
Other than that.. the BSD Os’s are very nice. My fav is FreeBSD. But I have yet you install it.. I have been trying for about 8 years. So the only that I use is Linux. I was a windows user for years untill this Spyware thing started like wild fire. I have yet to install this BSD and have it to set up right.
Is there something about a plain text screen that scares you? If so, then you had better skip *BSD, because sometimes it makes you descend to the command line to do certain administrative functions. In a way, the text mode installer is a warning that this isn’t an OS easy enough for Aunt Tillie. In such a case, skip *BSD, skip Linux, skip Windows, and go straight to Mac OSX, and don’t look back.
All I’m saying in that there would be more user’s useing FreeBSD & other BSD’s if the installer was GUI
Or something kinda EZ. All I know windows is getting eat up this day and time, with spyware and Virus’s.
and whats so great about the “graphical” installers other distros use? i put quotes around graphical since many of these installs really are text-based, its just text rendered through a GUI widget with mouse support. whoopee.
look at the new debian installer. really, whats the point of the graphical support? its just the old installer with a new UI.
anyway, who are these people who are so afraid of the arrow, space and enter keys???
Well…
GUI doesn’t mean easy
TUI doesn’t mean hard
Also if you complain that NetBSD is hard to install the major issue, imho, is how to keep your OS up-to-date.
Also packages, pkgsrc.org, are released every Quarter.
Other than that, I hope they are working on something to allow easy updates following the NetBSD tradition “it’s ready when it’s right” and also they are working on a way to release more frequently packages binaries due to the lot of money they had from recently donations, I’ve always liked NetBSD so congrats to the team.
> also they are working on a way to release more
> frequently packages
I mean::: I hope they will work on a way to release binary packages more frequently.
Sorry for my bad English.
I’ll pay $500 to the one that can teach me how to install FreeBSD 6.0
damn right… Any one can install NetBSD, OpenBSD, Gentoo, Slackware, or nearly any other OS I ever tried.. But FreeBSD??!! Where does this installer come from?? I never understood anything about that install process…
And please, their handbook is just way too bloated to be read.
Take a look at:
http://netbsd.student.utwente.nl/rpaulo/
i think the reason for the rejuvination is to do with (1) better hardware support (eg usb, ipw), (2) more competitive performance and scalability.
Aren’t all RC’s possibly final?
lots of talk on many message boards on the relative merits of freebsd6, netbsd3, linux2.6 etc etc.
there are some decent, well designed test results posted, but mostly for old code. would like to see something dated november 2005 or later.
once i can afford to buy a decent test machine (at least 2 dual core opterons and at least 4gb of ram), i plan on doing benchmarks of current versions of menuet, dragonfly, freebsd, netbsd, openbsd, darwin, solaris, and linux… probably sometime next year…
The last ISO wouldnt run on dell 9100’s no SATA or USB support, Hope this one is better.
I intended to install NetBSD on my tiny home server, but at the end, I had to go back to FreeBSD.
The system might be very nice, but unfortunately the NetBSD guide is far behind the FreeBSD Handbook. Mostly because of that, I find FBSD quite easier to use.
Does anyone know of any step-by-step tutorial which explains how to build FreeBSD-like jails on NetBSD? I guess it involves chroot and extensive use of systrace.
Hopefully the NetBSD team will invest time and effort to improve the documentation for NetBSD 4.0.
Not jails but (perhaps) something better. At least it gives You more freedom of choice.
http://netbsd.org/Ports/xen/
http://netbsd.org/Ports/xen/howto.html
Run NetBSD or Linux, kernel modified after Your choice.
On my home server, NetBSD as Dom0, because I prefer pf, a firewall DomU-1 (netbsd, pf) with two nics (“Using PCI devices in guest domains”), fileserver DomU-2 (netbsd) to download things bittorrent, streamripper, etc, Tor/privoxy-server DomU-3 (Debian, convenient chroot scripts), Info-server DomU-4 (Debian/Woody, system built 3 years ago). All running at the same time, same server. And I plan to setup some webbservers for testing (Linux/NetBSD). And perhaps more to play with.
So depending on Your hardware and diskspace You can do many more things with Xen.
Diskpace a problem? Run Linux as Dom0 an use LVM (“Using LVM-backed VBDs”) and start Your NetBSD systems from there (http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/NetBSDdomU).
For me the NetBSD documentation have been enought to set up a Xen server with NetBSD as Dom0, recompile the kernels, build new systems, etc. When that fails, Google Handbook. Or else the brain.