Submitted by The $100 laptop designed by the Massachusetts Institute for Technology and the One Laptop Per Child association, previewed at the World Summit on the Information Society conference in Tunisia last week, will be using a Redhat Linux variant as its operating system.
MIT 100USD Laptop To Run Red Hat
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Anonymous“Mankind is just going further and further from nature and god in this way. If we all would be just simple farmers living of the land with natural farming all would be so easy. ”
Posting this from your tree kiosk are we? farming isnt so simple, have you tried it…
but actually I agree with you somewhat that we need to get back to the basics because I think soon we will probably be forced back to the basics by a major event…… I have started learning how to live off the land again, feels really cool too. Start realizing how worthless computers really are, except to stay in touch and learn of course
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Will it be possible for people in the western world to buy one fo these?
It will make my daughter happy 
2005-11-27 3:56 pm
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For a $100 this laptop is pretty shitty.
You can get a $150 ipaq or $300 desktop that is 100 times the computer.
Really, these should be given away free. (and Bill Gates should have to pay for it all
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They’ll have to crank the thing for 10 minutes just to give the laptop enough battery life to boot!
Watch out for flying turtles.
Because if you look closely, you will be able to see the Windows logo key on the left side of the keyboard.
This laptop will also apparently run Windows XP, but not well.
If I was MIT, I would’ve taken Ubuntu over Red Hat. Mac OS X would be nice, too.
A Windows key can be seen at this link:
http://laptop.media.mit.edu/images/laptop-front.jpg
Beside the fact that this doesn’t seem a very clever observation, i guess that they’re using standard and cheaper keyboards instead of custom ones.
Beside the fact that this doesn’t seem a very clever observation, i guess that they’re using standard and cheaper keyboards instead of custom ones.
In the video posted earlier, a representative of the project mentioned each country would (or could?) get it’s own customised keyboard.
I have another design thing. Why have they made the mouse pad so wide? Will it not be in the way when you are using the keyboard?
I have another design thing. Why have they made the mouse pad so wide? Will it not be in the way when you are using the keyboard?
Because it doubles as a scroll pad and a space to draw on.
* Scroll pad: Flip screen over so that scroll pad is on back. Use fingers on pad to ‘scroll the screen’.
* You can draw on it with a stylus.
Most keyboards on this planet are produced with the Windows logo key on them as par for the course; it has nothing to do with your political powernerd anti-MS zealotry.
This project isn’t about promoting open source so why do you care? This is about providing technology resources to kids who otherwise would not have access to those resources. This is about helping kids, not promoting the agenda of the open source community.
This project isn’t about promoting open source so why do you care? This is about providing technology resources to kids who otherwise would not have access to those resources. This is about helping kids, not promoting the agenda of the open source community.
This is factually incorrect. MIT rejected an offer from Apple to include free copies of Mac OS X on these things, precisely because MIT thought it was important and valuable that the design be as open as possible for both hardware and software. They want other initiatives to be able to pick up the design, and for the cost of manufacture only, duplicate and improve upon it. Open source was therefore part of the package and part of the design process from day one. MIT didn’t select open source because they were pushing an open source agenda, it just so happened that the open source agenda meshed perfectly well with their goals.
But the poster was correct, it’s not about pushing opensource, it’s a “just so happens opensource worked” here as you pointed out. And MIT rejecting apple doesn’t mean the project is any more a “pushing opensource” project, just means that what apple was offering didn’t fit where they were going. Clearly MIT likes some of the aspects Opensource gets them, but it seams very clear its in no way a Opensource project, or a Pushing opensource project. Its simple a “using opensource” project.
“Its simple a “using opensource” project.”
So be it. It is in the true spirit of Open Source: it is donated to mankind in order to be used, free in all meanings of the word.
This is factually incorrect. MIT rejected an offer from Apple to include free copies of Mac OS X on these things, precisely because MIT thought it was important and valuable that the design be as open as possible for both hardware and software. They want other initiatives to be able to pick up the design, and for the cost of manufacture only, duplicate and improve upon it. Open source was therefore part of the package and part of the design process from day one. MIT didn’t select open source because they were pushing an open source agenda, it just so happened that the open source agenda meshed perfectly well with their goals.
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In case you haven’t already noticed,the crowd bashing the choice of RedHat for the OS of this $100 laptop consists mainly of the Usability Crowd who are for the most part *APPLE FANBOYS*
These guys are basically pissed off for a number of reasons:
(1) That an GPL’ld open source (Linux) OS was selected to run this laptop.
(2) That they (UI Advocates) have little or no say in the development of said OS.
(3) That the developers and users of said OS have little or no interest in the opinions of UI advocates whatsoever consering software design and have openly stated so.
(4) That the Free Software/Open Source Movement refuses to allow themselves to be used as a source of free research and development testing for the half-baked User Interface design ideas and reseach projects the UI “community” wants to dump onto them.
The UI movement just can’t stand the thought that Linux and other Free Software/Open Source projects can succeded *WITHOUT THEIR BLESSING*, so you’reseeing these kinds of vindictive attacks from them.
So you want them to spend money from the tight 100 buck budget and use it to make a custom key that doesn’t have the windows logo on there? Please, stuff like that is why it’s cheap, they didn’t waste money on non important things.
This is just a prototype anyway.
they wanted cheap… keyboards like this are a commodity item..they cost @ $4. That is why its there. certainly you can find another nit to pick
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This ought to give RedHat an interesting crash course in usability. Linux certainly passes the “grandma test” in performing user tasks, but there are still occasional administration tasks that require going to the command line prompt or are otherwise not posted in an obvious place. Most of these today involve getting various kinds of hardware to work (e.g., PDA syncing, sound cards), so they might avoid that problem by simply refusing to support such hardware.
But Windows users will be used to the idea that absolutely anything that can be done to the system can be done and undone from a GUI. Advanced users like the idea that they can easily do sophisticated things from the command line that are actually quite difficult to accomplish in Windows, but new users will not have this perspective.
I’m really not trying to start a RedHat-vs-XP flame war — I’m a Linux user myself (Ubuntu on the desktop, RedHat on the servers) and I think Linux is ready for widespread desktop adoption in corporate environments where it is administered by more knowledgable people. I think it still needs polish before it’s as easy as XP for a novice user to administer. (It’s already easier to administer than NT though.) The network manager, for example, at least as recently as FC4, didn’t handle ethernet connections in the automagic way that XP does. Little bits of polish like that will go a long way. Hopefully this rollout will make such little problems more obvious and cause them to be fixed quickly.
-Tavis
I think you are in many ways right, but let’s not forget that this computer has no hard drive. This probably means that the OS sits locked down on some kind of flash device. I can’t imagine it needing much configurability, but if you do screw up the configs, you zap the RAM. To upgrade the software, you go to your school’s computer lab.
Redhat bought their way in with a $2,000,000 “donation” to the project. That’s why their are many equal or better choices for the default OS; yet they weren’t chosen.
Redhat bought their way in with a $2,000,000 “donation” to the project. That’s why their are many equal or better choices for the default OS; yet they weren’t chosen.
There’s a place for cynicism but there’s also a place for understanding the bigger picture.
“Buying their way in” is a very strange way to look at the situation. The project wouldn’t exist without the financial support of folks like Red Hat. It’s not like this was all ready to go and the devices ready to ship and then some company stepped up and bribed their way in because, oh, that $100 laptop charity program is going to be so profitable. The reality is that Red Hat has been one of the major funders of the project, making it possible to develop these devices from the ground up in the first place. If Novell or Canonical want to throw wads of cash at similar projects, they’re more than welcome.
This is a good thing that Red Hat has done. Will they benefit at all, other than through good karma? Sure, they’re going to stick a desktop variant of their product in front of hopefully millions of users, making this the largest usability test for Linux on the desktop in history, which will allow them to improve their products even more. And since that product is entirely made up of free and open source software, we will all eventually benefit from those improvements. I just don’t see how it’s possible to spin Red Hat as the bad guy in this.
What the hell are these people thinking. $100 laptop for the “poor”. Get them some clean water for god’s sakes. Why does everyone think all people need computers. I would worry first about educating and feeding these people so they can then afford a real computer. WTF? How does a cheap laptop solve the worlds problems? People need to be clean, fed, sheltered FIRST!
Because computers take the place of water, don’t you know.
I know. People are retarded. Give them food, shelter and a better place to live.
Give them water that isn’t contaminated with dead and toxic material.
but hey, now they have laptops to write blogs about how shitty their lives are, all thanks to MIT.
if you give a man a fish he will eat for a day, if you teach a man to fish he will eat every day.
If you give a man a laptop – he will eventually learn to do your job for one, one thousandth of the pay..
Why not get them food, water and computers.
Several people can work on more than one problem at a time, and if affordable computers can improve the quality of their education it’s helping them out in the long run while others help them out today.
“Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life” — I don’t know who said this.
I would worry first about educating and feeding these people so they can then afford a real computer.
You want them educated but you don’t want it done with computers because they cost money? Don’t other forms of education also cost money? Why spend that money on education either when some will still starve or sicken?
OK, then, what is your plan and why aren’t you carrying it out and actually doing something useful instead of complaining about the plan of someone who *is* doing something to educate the world’s poor (and who may know a little more about how the world works)?
We aren’t exactly talking about handing these out to Amazonian tribesmen here. The assumption is that the target will be poor nations that still have a viable education system, yet lack the overall resources to train young students in technology.
What the hell are these people thinking. $100 laptop for the “poor”. Get them some clean water for god’s sakes. Why does everyone think all people need computers. I would worry first about educating and feeding these people so they can then afford a real computer. WTF? How does a cheap laptop solve the worlds problems? People need to be clean, fed, sheltered FIRST!
A combination of idiocy and hubris. Few of the morons from MIT in this program have actually been to the Third World to know that the biggest challenge to the people that live there are so incredibly fundamental that access to computers is almost inconsequential: Childhood immunization, clean drinking water, adequate food and shelter, disease prevention (condoms, education, etc), basic literacy, political stability, fuel/electrical power, etc. Computers are so far down the list that it’s almost laughable to consider them as workable tools in the Third World until infrastructure catches up. What do you expect from a bunch of Ivory Tower Psuedo-Intellectuals?
A combination of idiocy and hubris. Few of the morons from MIT in this program have actually been to the Third World to know that the biggest challenge to the people that live there are so incredibly fundamental that access to computers is almost inconsequential: Childhood immunization, clean drinking water, adequate food and shelter, disease prevention (condoms, education, etc), basic literacy, political stability, fuel/electrical power, etc. Computers are so far down the list that it’s almost laughable to consider them as workable tools in the Third World until infrastructure catches up. What do you expect from a bunch of Ivory Tower Psuedo-Intellectuals?
You haven’t read what MIT posted.
For one, the laptops are being bought by the national governments for use by the people there; it’s not a gift. These are fully customizable devices. The keyboards are localized. The software and content changeable. All run from the local country — for better or worse.
Secondly, I think the folks at MIT qualify as actual intellectuals. Did you apply to MIT? Did you get in? Did you graduate?
I don’t think you read what he wrote. He’s not claiming that they’ll have to BUY these devices, he’s saying it’s a waste of money on OUR part to try to give them computers when they need condoms, and wireless when they need water.
In response to you, who’s to say that the government will actually deliver them? Or are they just gonna say “Hey, high-tech toys!” and keep them for their friends? How are these governments supposed to afford them anyway if they’re ‘poor’?
(Answer: This is meant for developing and developed countries, not stagnating ones. Places like India, Singapore, Germany, the State of Massachusettes, where there is some stable infrastructure around to give poorer students a leg up on.)
I don’t think you read what he wrote. He’s not claiming that they’ll have to BUY these devices, he’s saying it’s a waste of money on OUR part to try to give them computers when they need condoms, and wireless when they need water.
Who’s giving who what? Case in point…
Brazil
* Brazillian government buys 1 million laptops from one of the mega international conglomerate companies builiding these. (MIT won’t…they are working on the design, not production!)
* Brazil as a society: Do you really think they need condoms? Do you think they need sex ed too? Speaking as a prudish USA-American, I’d seriously doubt that the Brazilians need us to help them with condoms.
In response to you, who’s to say that the government will actually deliver them? Or are they just gonna say “Hey, high-tech toys!” and keep them for their friends? How are these governments supposed to afford them anyway if they’re ‘poor’?
The poor ones WON’T BUY THEM. I never said otherwise.
If those governments choose to waste thier own money on handing out 1 MILLION — that’s the minimum entry amount — 1 MILLION laptops to a few 10s of thousands of special friends…it sure sounds like they can do that. Sounds like Brazil (and other countries) will be wasting thier own money. Not mine. Not yours. Thiers.
(Answer: This is meant for developing and developed countries, not stagnating ones. Places like India, Singapore, Germany, the State of Massachusettes, where there is some stable infrastructure around to give poorer students a leg up on.)
Another thing we agree on.
(Comments on my spelling or grammar will be ignored.)
If these laptops are to be a success, the makers need to allow for other flavours of Linux to be installed in some way – Ubuntu in Africa, perhaps, Connectiva in Latin America, various flavas in the Far East, etc. The more “home-grown” the laptops feel the more popular they are likely to be and the easier it will be for folks to take pride in what they do with them. And besides, quite a few of the more repressive countries may well use having to take Red Hat as an excuse for rejecting the whole deal. Still, kudos to Red Hat. Mr Gates, with all his billions, couldnt come up with the goods.
Naw, instead, he spends the billions in donations to research in fighting AIDS and Cancer, as well as some attempts at staving off starvation.
As a university student, a product like this (minus the green case and yellow “antenna”) are appealing to use in the classroom to take notes. I don’t need a large screen (10″-12″ is fine) and I don’t need X-Windows. I just need a terminal with Pico or Nano installed to type my notes.
Preferably, the computer would have a rechargeable battery and have a removeable MMC or SD flash card. Laptops are an easy target for theft, are bulky to carry, expensive (I would not buy a used one w/ 30 warranty).
I had a Palm pilot but the apps I found not useful esp for “word processing”. I think a system like this with a pre-installed Linux would do well. MIT should reconsider.
Heck make the laptop in NA $200 or $300 to subsidize the cost for the poor countries. I’d have no probs with that.
Same here. I’d pay £200 for something like this. Small laptops currenlty all cost in excess of a £1000 and hoping to run something else than XP is futile.
The reason that these laptops are not being sold individually is not because the creators are against selling to “non-third-world-citizens”- it’s because in order to get the cost below $100, many of the parts are purchased in extreme bulk. This model does not scale down to the individual; it’s probably only applicable to states or countries who are going to buy many thousands or millions of these things.
Offering to pay $200 (or even £200) for a laptop is very generous. However, with the extra cost of buying the components individually, there might not be anything left over to donate.
Bah, you are implying they are giving away these laptops for those poor hungry kids. I’d agree that is silly. But, I do believe it is not the case. I’d think the targetted kids are fed already. After getting the basic needs, what do you think they’d need next? Education, of course. These laptops can speed up the educational process, which is great. I mean, neither the donators nor the donated would expect the donation to flow forever, wouldn’t they?
I believe the point was that it would be much better spending huge sums of money on feeding and sheltering children that are dying and unfed, rather than technologically modernizing the lives of those that are already living well.
I believe the point was that it would be much better spending huge sums of money on feeding and sheltering children that are dying and unfed, rather than technologically modernizing the lives of those that are already living well.
The governments of those countries can not afford either food or laptops.
The governments of the countries getting the laptops are paying for the laptops; it is a gift to the citizens, not a gift from some do-goody-foreign group.
Many of you should forget about the technical details of this laptop, get out of your cubes, and take a plane or boat to the Third World. Governments in that part of the world are renowned for their greed and corruption. Of any donations that you send to them, some large portion will be “repurposed” by government middlemen — which is a euphemism for “stolen” — as a means of financing their retirement. Even if these laptops find their way into the hands of poor children, it is entirely likely that many (if not most) of them (or their families) will sell them to pay for goods (ie. livestock, materials, weapons) that help support their daily existence. The churn of dollars in these countries could, in fact, make things worse for these people by helping to foment chaos and civil war. The basic problem is that people assume that infrastructure is adequate (it isn’t) and there will be accountability to get these machines in the hands of those that deserve them (there won’t be). I’m constantly amazed at how smart people can make such basically flawed proposals without consideration for their practical impact on human beings. People living in the Third World are human beings but they are also living in extraordinary circumstances which Westerners cannot possibly imagine. Solve the basic problems and you make it possible for these people to own computers. Until then, you’re wasting your time.
I’m constantly amazed at how smart people can make such basically flawed proposals without consideration for their practical impact on human beings. People living in the Third World are human beings but they are also living in extraordinary circumstances which Westerners cannot possibly imagine.
Once AGAIN…these laptops ARE NOT FOR THOSE PEOPLE. THEY ARE FOR the ‘2nd world’ (ie. ESTABLISHED AND UPCOMMING) countries not the ‘3rd world’!!!! You know; parts of eastern Europe, SE asia, stable and growing parts of Africa, Central America, South America. Brazil and Singapore are NOT THIRD WORLD!
Get off your 1960s ‘starving people in India’ high horse. It doesn’t apply in this case and it is quite dated.
I agree with your comments. Besides reducing the cost of printed textbooks, I believe one of the articles pointed out another benefit in education and reason for Open Source is to explore and learn to tweak these things. So thatll give people a creative outlet, encourage self-learning, and a chance to learn technology so they can lift themselves out of poverty
It’s a mistake to divide the world into “rich” and “poor”, where the rich have everything and the poor have nothing. There is a whole spectrum of wealth in the world, and millions could potentially benefit from this MIT scheme.
Definitly. I’m not poor at all – a few thousand dollars in the bank, and these laptops look pretty sweet – I would buy one for $150. It’d need to have a hard drive though…
Is this Slashdot?
The info that it will run Red Hat could already be found in a linked article two weeks ago.
That is, these two links.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12664
http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/11/14/apple.offered.os.x.to.mit/
But well, obviously news is still news if it was not yet written in the headline.
So as this MIT 100$ dollar Laptop is such popular news here, I would like to propose some more headlines, which you can spread over the next weeks (I’m sure you can find some other articles as a peg):
“MIT 100USD Laptop only 85,- in Euro”
“100$ Laptop: Full-blown OS with browser, office suite and email included”
“MIT Laptop: Up to 15 million laptops shipped by first quarter of 2007?”
“100USD Laptop: Ignored in South Africa?”
Being a news editor around here must be fun.
Well, we didn’t announce that it would run RedHat as clearly as we do with this item. It’s in interesting topic of discussion (namely: which OS this thing should run) and hence I posted it. Previous discussions focused too much on the hardware of the thing.
For the people who think it’s a bad idea to give them computers …. : Not all people in Africa live in life critical circumstances. A lot, but not all.
We used to have a slogan here in Belgium for development aid posters: It’s better to teach somebody how to fish then to give him a fish.
We can give them support for the rest of their lives, if they don’t start to get things sorted for themselves, we’ll have to continue support them.
So, if we start giving them computers, they will start to use them and eventually get somewhere one day. Education is a kickoff for a lot of things.
Red Hat as a choice ….: What else ? MIT is American, they would never consider SuSE (formerly German) or Mandriva (French and Brazilian). GPL ? Who cares. Sorry Debian.
“Sorry Debian.”
I would also have thought that Debian could have been a better choice, as nobody can accuse Debian of being commercial in any meaning of the word.
I would also have thought that Debian could have been a better choice, as nobody can accuse Debian of being commercial in any meaning of the word.
Heh, I hadn’t thought of that yet. Good reason indeed.
And yet since Red Hat donated money and probably really wants their distribution on these things, they’re probably also customising the distribution themselves for free.
If they had gone with Debian they would have to get volunteers to do the job for it to cost the same as using Red Hat, and even then most people want commercial support for a product they ship so they have someone to turn to(and/or blame) when it doesn’t work.
GPL ? Who cares.
Can you please explain? RedHat Linux software is GPL.
Okay, you’re a fool.
Nearly all core software in the GNU/Linux operating system is released under the GPL. Certainly all GNU code is, and the Linux kernel is. Debian, Red Hat, all of it. All GPL.
Nearly all core software in the GNU/Linux operating system is released under the GPL. Certainly all GNU code is, and the Linux kernel is. Debian, Red Hat, all of it. All GPL.
Yes, all is free software and open source (both), and much of it is GPL, though not all of it is GPL. Apache is one example. There are plenty more.
Social aspects aside (I want to replace my PowerBook with this, give me one!!!
) there’s a couple of must-do technical hurdles before the device really works okay:
1. Sleep/fast bootup (will they use 128MB of the precious Flash to store a running image?) If not, the bootup needs to be around 5-10 secs. This device will “die” a lot…
2. No swap space. Flash cannot be used for that, which means either you limit the total RAM really to 128MB (bad choice) or teach applications to “die” peacefully (and be restored). So far, I think only Nokia N770 (Maemo) does this on the Linux front, are there others?
2b. Existing Linux apps won’t be able to run “co-operatively” if the above kill-and-restore technique is used. They will hog too much memory. Don’t expect this computer to be your average Red Hat surfing board. It won’t.
3. Scripting languages. (I hope this is what they mean by the “programming support”). C/C++ is not for the African Kid, let alone this machine. Don’t expect gcc on it, won’t fit. Have things pre-compiled, and programming done in languages like Lua, Python, or Ruby.
4. Developer community. I would love to help out this project, seems they don’t have a working mechanism for that yet. I hope they will…
-asko
Social aspects aside (I want to replace my PowerBook with this, give me one!!!
) there’s a couple of must-do technical hurdles before the device really works okay:
Most of these issues have been handled in custom distributions already. Here is one list;
http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Mini_Distributions
Ideally, they could use something like Peanut Linux and strip out things that aren’t needed on the laptop. Knoppix uses an effective loopback compression scheme that might be easily adopted to increase the amount of usable flash.
128MB of flash with 512MB RAM is actually a reasonable amount of space for a customized appliance like this laptop.
Well, none of the distros listed there had anything to say on “swap” issue. And I believe the laptop had 128MB of RAM, not more?
Well, none of the distros listed there had anything to say on “swap” issue. And I believe the laptop had 128MB of RAM, not more?
1. Who needs swap on a small system?
2. They said 512MB in the news conference. The site says 1GB.
This is from MIT’s site: What is the $100 Laptop, really?
The proposed $100 machine will be a Linux-based, full-color, full-screen laptop that will use innovative power (including wind-up) and will be able to do most everything except store huge amounts of data. This rugged laptop will be WiFi-enabled and have USB ports galore. Its current specifications are: 500MHz, 1GB, 1 Megapixel.
http://laptop.media.mit.edu/faq.html
>1. Who needs swap on a small system?
>2. They said 512MB in the news conference. The site says 1GB.
Well, the 1GB is the hard-disk-kinda flash, not RAM (compare to iPod).
Where did you get the 512MB RAM from? With that, they wouldn’t need swapping, but with 128MB they will. Or reducing the multithreading seriously (only one application open at once).
>>1. Who needs swap on a small system?
>>2. They said 512MB in the news conference. The site says 1GB.
>Well, the 1GB is the hard-disk-kinda flash, not RAM (compare to iPod).
Good. 1GB is gobs of space. We agree on something.
>Where did you get the 512MB RAM from?
…er, from the news conference? Is this a trick question?
>With that, they wouldn’t need swapping, but with 128MB they will. Or reducing the multithreading seriously (only one application open at once).
I’ve heard 256MB as well as 512MB. Not 128MB, though.
Even if they are only going to target 128MB, it’s still a lot of room. No swap needed…because other devices and smaller ones don’t swap. Anything. PDAs, for one. Why is it hard to believe that it can’t be done when the device is called a ‘laptop’?
I don’t want to argue on this
but I believe the issue is realistic, essential, and so forth. Don’t know how Qtopia-based PDAs do it, but I’m pretty sure PocketPC devices are able to “hybernate” applications, and then call them back alive as if they were all the time. Otherwise, my iPaq simply wouldn’t be able to hold alive all the applications that pop up from beneath if you start closing the topmost ones. (actually, there isn’t even a concept of closing an app, in most cases, it does keep something like 10 most recent “alive” at least).
Anyways, let’s close the discussion, see what happens?
I don’t want to argue on this
but I believe the issue is realistic, essential, and so forth. Don’t know how Qtopia-based PDAs do it, but I’m pretty sure PocketPC devices are able to “hybernate” applications, and then call them back alive as if they were all the time. Otherwise, my iPaq simply wouldn’t be able to hold alive all the applications that pop up from beneath if you start closing the topmost ones. (actually, there isn’t even a concept of closing an app, in most cases, it does keep something like 10 most recent “alive” at least).
None of that is swapping.
Anyways, let’s close the discussion, see what happens?
So, you hate to loose too, eh?
Given the US attitude, in a few years, red hat will be bought by one of the US companies like IBM and sue MIT for using Red Hat.
And every thing is back to square one.
So its better to use fully free OS like Ubuntu or totally open source Fedora, but not corporate RH.
“So its better to use fully free OS like Ubuntu or totally open source Fedora, but not corporate RH.”
and who do you think is spending money on Fedora?. Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical so its pretty corporate too. RHEL is entirely open source just like Fedora.
“And yet since Red Hat donated money and probably really wants their distribution on these things, they’re probably also customising the distribution themselves for free. ”
They donated money and they are also modifying their distribution in their own expenditure. Nothing is being done for free dude.
“A project funded by Red Hat runs Red Hat software! Wow! ”
This is news because Linux and open source software has been choosen in favor or Apple and Microsoft product even when they both offered to fund the project. This is also news because Red Hat is donating a bill of millions of dollars with no direct revenue
Yeah, poor children will learn linux
and we don’t now how to make ANY INSTALLATION WORK FINE !!!!!! :p
btw, I am dieing to buy it
A project funded by Red Hat runs Red Hat software! Wow!
As I posted in an earlier topic, it’s obvious that the corporate sponsers of this project are just going to choose their own products instead of the best [free] solutions.
Hurray, Thom has learnt where to put the Dollar sign. Clever boy.
A link for those who yelled that they should instead be “feeding the poor”:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,363663…
A link for those who yelled that they should instead be “feeding the poor”: