GNOME 2.13.2 has been released. Odd-numbered versions of GNOME represent developmental branches, hence this is the second development release on the road towards GNOME 2.14 in March 2006. You can compile this new test release using these jhbuild modulesets. Now, can you hear the new Zipdisk Mount Error Dialog HIG-compliant console beep?
So where is guh-nome going these days? What can we expect in 2.14? Will they finally do something about performance?
I’d say you can expect more of the same incremental progress, and no, if anything theyre going to make GNOME slower in the short-to-medium term by adopting Cairo for GTK rendering.
Its possible a Cairo-based GNOME could end up faster at some undefined point in future if they enable support for a GL backend, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Some work (a ~25% speedup) has been done on pango (the excruciatingly slow font/text layout engine) which has been responsible for a lot of the sluggishness, in GNOME, but Cairo is going to push GNOME even further away from being a viable option for users with non-accelerated graphics.
Uhm…GTK+ utilizes Cairo since the 2.6 releases, and I haven’t had any notable slowdown. Work is underway make it hardware-acceleratable.
The upcoming 2.14 release will include many performance and memory optimizations. Reduced memory comsumption by GTK+ (well, that’s not actually GNOME), improved login time, and others, you already named Pango optimization.
Cheers
Cairo has been in stable releases of GTK (e.g. 2.8) since August 2005.
No 2.6 releases of GTK depended on Cairo, or used Cairo for rendering any widgets that I am aware of.
“Cairo has been in stable releases of GTK (e.g. 2.8) since August 2005.
No 2.6 releases of GTK depended on Cairo, or used Cairo for rendering any widgets that I am aware of.”
You’re right of course, got those mixed up. But saying that “GTK+ will incorporate Cairo in a future release” is still incorrect.
Cheers
Are you sure its GTK+ and not GNOME? I hear differently.
Im actually relieved now.
There was another comment on “Linux is Poo” comment. Now there isn’t. Where did it go? Who is this guy, and how did he get 1 point for trolling?
I don’t know where it went. I am not the only moderator here.
Proposed Modules so far:
-atomix
http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~pearl/gnome/atomix.html
-deskbar-applet
http://raphael.slinckx.net/deskbar/
-fast-user-switch-applet (being intergrated into Gnome-menu)
http://ignore-your.tv/fusa/
-gnome-screensaver
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeScreensaver
Screenshot(old): http://blogs.gnome.org/attachment/rodrigo/2005/07/26/0/gnome-screen…
-Pessulus
http://www.gnome.org/~vuntz/pessulus/
-Gnome-power-manager
http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-power-manager/
-Sabayon
http://www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon/
Screencast: http://www.gnome.org/~alexl/sabayon-screencast.html
Performance related:
– ~1 sec startup
– Pango speed up
– File I/O ( Gedit, etc)
– Gnome-system-log ( Gnome 2.12: 43sec — Gnome CVS: 2.1 sec)
– Tons more…
Clearlooks-cairo with animations:
Checkbox/Radio animation:http://files.myeburg.net/work/progressbar_anim/progressbar_anim4_xv…
Slider animation:http://files.myeburg.net/work/progressbar_anim/animated_slider.avi
Progressbar animation: http://files.myeburg.net/work/progressbar_anim/t.html
Edited 2005-11-16 23:36
You forgot istanbul
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting
It is incomplete (recording not smooth) but looks promising with the use of theora format.
This is interesting: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirteen_2fPlatform
It seems GNOME 3.X will break old programs, but at least they’re concentrating on less libraries, it seems the dependency list will get shorter which is good IMHO.
Slight clarification, GNOME 3 is what will be created if back compatibility needs, for some reason, to be broken. If all possible future changes can be made without changing the ABI, then there would be no version 3 at all. That’s pretty unlikely though.
…but is there any word in fixing some of the annoyances? I mean, I like GNOME. Its look and feel is perfect for me (although I use KDE on another machine). But there are minors quirks everywhere. For instance, Evolution got no problem with an IMAP box hosted on Cyrus but it doesn’t behave correctly with my IMAP box on Courier-imap. Cancelling the password prompt doesn’t work (I’m getting another one). In some cases, quitting before a connection is established freezes the interface. The toolbar preferences (detachable and text below icons) are not consistant to all applications, strangely including some of the integrated ones (gedit comes to mind). Mounted shares from the interface (eg. remote SMB/SSH locations not loaded from the standard mount command) are not available to all applications…
Okay, it’s getting quite a boring and tedious rant. The upcoming features look interesting (especially fast user switching and the promising gnome-power-manager), but is there any team to polish the mature parts? As far as I remember, I believe I had that toolbar quirk in 2.0 or 2.2… I guess there’s the Bugzilla, but I don’t think it’s the proper place to request such stuff.
Somebody could enlight me?
Evo works fine with my courier-imap server, and did in 2.4 series as well. 2.5 series does fix a few other bugs I had in 2.4 series, though.
Do you have folders in your INBOX? For me, that’s where it chokes.
Evolution got no problem with an IMAP box hosted on Cyrus but it doesn’t behave correctly with my IMAP box on Courier-imap.
Have you reported this to the Evolution team? This and the other bugs you mention will get fixed if people report them. The developers have to know about problems in order to rectify them.
The problem with reporting bugs on evolution is that evo just sucks in pretty much every way. Try using it with exchange. Totally non-functioning. Additionally, as the previous poster mentions, it freaks out and hangs constantly if you try to do too many things at once or if you try to cancel an operation. Just really bad software all around. Compare it to Outlook and it is an absolute joke (that it is a ripoff makes it even more pathetic). Compare it to Thunderbird, which has substantially less functionality, it is still a joke. At least thunderbird basically works as advertised. If anyone ever asks me about evo I tell them to run the other way. Those that don’t listen always end up saying they should have listened.
I agree. The exchange plugin is horrendous. Completely unusable. What gets me is that obviously there is no error checking going on because the plugin crashing brings down the entire evolution app as well as the desktop calendar etc. Quality software.
thank your lucky stars you don’t use korganiser. then you would know all about ‘quality’ software that hangs every few hours.
why did you post as fooo and then agree yourself to give the impression that your viewpoint has any credibility?
you kde fanboy!
Try using it with exchange
Sorry, I don’t use Evo at home to put Exchange at home. I use it with local Courier-IMAP and it works perfectly.
it freaks out and hangs constantly if you try to do too many things at once or if you try to cancel an operation
I don’t experience this with Courier-IMAP. Perhaps that’s due to the Exchange plugin.
Just really bad software all around
Exchange plugin is not representative for all Evo.
Compare it to Outlook and it is an absolute joke
I use Outlook at work every day and I can say without hesitation that Outlook is tedious and a joke compared to my Evo at home. I activated the nested view in Outlook (2002) and it’s still unusable, especially compared to Evo. The only thing that comes close to ease of use of Evo is Outlook 2003.
So, that you think that Evo is a ripoff of Outlook looks strange to me.
Guess I could try, but my last experience with bug-buddy didn’t go so well…
Yer. Does anyone know why it’s called guh-nome and where that came from? Gnome the word is certainly pronounced with a silent ‘G’ where I come from. Is it geographical differences in pronunciation or is the name Gnome just plain embarrassing?
While many people spell the the project as “Gnome”, its proper title is “GNOME”. Originally, this was an acronym which stood for the GNU Network Object Model Environment, which, as an acronym, sounds like a stretcher. The GNU project pronounces their name as “guh-noo”, so GNOME follows that lead by pronouncing the project as “guh-nome”. However, since the acronym is a bit anachronistic and since so many people are spelling the name as “Gnome”, I envision a day where we will have a good number of people pronouncing the name with a silent ‘G’. It mostly does not matter. Just like the pronounciation of Linux.
Well, I answered your question, but in the future, you can save yourself the trouble of waiting for a reply and wasting space on these boards by looking up such things on Google or in the Wikipedia.
Unless you are a troll. I do not really know. You seem to have a -1 for some reason. You do not seem like one to me, though, so I am guessing you were marked down for the reasons I gave in the previous paragraph, which seems a bit unfair, even if you are a bit off-topic.
Cheers
And some people pronounce it with a G-sound like in ‘gold’. G + nome = Gnome. Not all are native english-speakers so most people in DK are pronouncing it with a hard G.
We do pronounce Linux right though, but the danish pronounciation equals the swedish one
While many people spell the the project as “Gnome”, its proper title is “GNOME”. Originally, this was an acronym which stood for the GNU Network Object Model Environment, which, as an acronym, sounds like a stretcher. The GNU project pronounces their name as “guh-noo”, so GNOME follows that lead by pronouncing the project as “guh-nome”.
Nope, that’s answered that. Now that you’ve pointed out the acronym GNOME it does seem to make a bit more sense. Obviously I’ll have to be careful with some peoples’ sensitivities around here…….
I’m using Gnome 2.12 on Gentoo and I like this one a lot. I’m allready using Gnome-power-manager and Gnome-screensaver on it and the total package feels really consistent, I love it. The speed is a none issue for me at the moment, but I will not complain when they optimize it.
Gnome is the reason I enjoy computing at home and it reminds me of the Amiga I use untill 1998. For me the Linux desktop is (almost) now. There are two things missing for me at the moment, a functioning bibus for references in my OpenOffice.org (really needed in a science job) and webcam communicating with MSN and yahoo users. Then I really don’t need another OS.
This is a little off-topic, but have you considered learning LaTeX for typesetting? The results look very proffesional too.
People frequently suggest that KDE dump Qt and switch to GTK+. That makes absolutely no sense, there’d be tons to loose and no gain. Except of course, horrible performance and. The only thing that could be considered a plus among it’s users is that it they can develop proprietary software.
I have a real suggestion though: How about Gnome dump GTK+ and switch to Qt? It has everything to gain including documentation, an easy & sexy API, and awesome performance — atleast compared to GTK+.
“How about Gnome dump GTK+ and switch to Qt?”
because they’d have tons to lose and nothing to gain. why would they want to switch to a clunky, less attractive, poorer performing toolkit with a licencing problem when they already have the best available toolkit on linux today.
You sir, need a reality check.
“I have a real suggestion though: How about Gnome dump GTK+ and switch to Qt?”
That makes absolutely no sense, there’d be tons to loose and no gain. Except of course, horrible performance and.
Just tried 2.13.2 with jhbuild and i’m impressed, seems faster and lighter somehow plus stable as hell. Installed it with Slackware as debian had build issues and many dev packages to install.
I’m pleased with the way gnome-2.13 is progressing, but please, bring back gnome-run in the menu and console in right click on the desktop as default.