The challenger has called for a “shoot-out” over whose dual-core chip performs better. Question is, can it shake Intel’s corporate dominance?
The challenger has called for a “shoot-out” over whose dual-core chip performs better. Question is, can it shake Intel’s corporate dominance?
Intel will break it’s corporate teeth.
This challenge is pretty pointless right now. Intel have already admitted that for example their dual cores are sub-optimal, and they have announced new architecture that is going to be better than what they have now.
Would AMD take up a similar challenge, when they know that their competitor currently have better offerings? Doubtful.
By your definition, all challenges are pointless.
Nobody ever makes a challenge unless they are pretty sure they can win, do they?
Would AMD take up a similar challenge, when they know that their competitor currently have better offerings? Doubtful.
Should AMD wait?
What AMD should do is work on their production capacity as well as ensuring that this current lead is not just a statistical blip in the long run. Getting overconfident will only bite them in the end.
Does AMD have the ability to produce enough chips to replace Intel in any major manufacturer’s lineup?
Until they do they’ve little hope of unseating Intel despite thier performance advantages.
it’s sort of a catch 22, can’t build more fab plants with out larger market share, can’t get larger market share with out more plants.
We all remember when AMD struggled to follow Intel offerings, only being able to compete on price. Now AMD is the leader, having a de facto domination on 64bit x86 platforms with customers as important as Sun and IBM. Intel finally admited that Itanium is a piece of horsecrap and released their EM64T patch for the aging and inefficient Xeon line. And now they’ve rushed to come up with a dual core chip, despite having spent the last couple of years saying that HyperThreading was good enough. Me? Not buying anything made by Intel ever again.
Itanium is one really cool cpu with one big problem. It’s a pain in the butt to program for, as the ISA leaves practically all the work to the compiler and the software programmer.
Me, never bought an Intel processor. AMD only. and I bought quite a few over the years.
If Intel is to stop their nasty threats to companies that will not buy their ships, AMD will be the king of CPU market. AMD chips do not suffer from the legacy designs the Intel chips do. The only problem IMHO that AMD is suffering from right now is the “quantity” of chips they can produce.
AMD has good reason to call for such a challenge. Not just that all of their current dual cores offer superior performance but AMD has several new low-power architectures in the works which will possibly outperform Intel’s new Merom, Conroe, and Woodcrest platforms.
AMD hits the benchmark issue with a line in the ad’s text that reads: “Obscure benchmarks need not apply.” An Intel spokesman declined to comment on any of its rival’s claims concerning the performance of its chips.
That’s because the claims are true. AMD offers better, faster chips at a lower cost. He can’t really argue with that.
This is just a marketing ploy to further cement in the minds of geeks everywhere that right now AMD is kicking Intel’s behind on all fronts. It’s smart to, because geeks like me enjoy the good products coming from AMD these days, and everyone likes to see a live underdog in any competition. Intel has already declined as was expected, so for a while AMD can say hey, we gave them a chance to step up and they declined, because we simply have a better product and they know it. What AMD really needs to do now is blanket the market with adds claiming watt for watt (just like pound for pound) supremacy. AMD will likely never surpass Intel, so those hopes for a new chip leader are nothing more than vapor ware, but AMD is forcing Intel to try and innovate again, and that benefits everyone.
Once again, AMD is playing stupid games. How about getting your yields up? How about some profits? How about a P/E ratio that’s not “infinity” (div/0)? How about not taking the SCO approach with a lawsuit-based long-term profit strategy? How about enabling the market before you release products nobody can use (ahem, 2 years w/o mainstream 64bit OS)?
AMD has better things to worry about than challenging Intel. Actions speak louder than words.
If AMD was supposed to wait for MS to release a 64bit OS first, then we would still be waiting for those 64bit CPUs. Someone has to start you know.
And how about stop spreading bull?
Looks like the original poster’s IP block resolves back to Intel:
2.52.55.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer fmfwpr02.fm.intel.com.
Sound the troll alarm!
Nice rhetoric, sounds very political. Almost as if you are well informed.
But then you call these games stupid. You know they’re not. You know how these games shape the future and what effect they have on profits and revenue. Oh yeah, you know all about that stuff, don’t you?
Lets keep playing these games. Lets see how much you can take.
Maybe we can make Intel wish they never touched TCPA, and all that other stuff that gives them a bad name when we explain it to the ignorant in clear and simple terms.
Being anti-competitive gets you nowhere. Do we have to spell it out for you?
“How about not taking the SCO approach with a lawsuit-based long-term profit strategy?”
The SCO approach? What you mean sue and hope someone buys your blatantly unfounded lies? oh wait…intel does coerce customers to stop dealing with AMD.
“Actions speak louder than words.”
I agree, having to “coerce” customers to stop delivering competing products because your own are so lacking shows great desperation
I agree its a pointless challenge what are they going to prove and to whom? They think they a grandma in Kansas is going to run out and invest in AMD if and when the beat intel? Is this the best AMD’s marketing department has? What they need to do is have their processors used to build some kind of humanity enhancing type super computer and then run ad’s on TV showcasing this. “AMD working for the future of mankind” kind stuff. They alos need to make AMD a household name like Quaker Oats or Oreo Cookies. So the mindless masses walk into Bestbuy look at the AMD sticker and say hey! AMD! i saw that commercial on TV! the one with the Monkey the ballon animal! I will take one of those PC’s!
Your comment is perfect. AMD lacks brand recognition. Everyone knows intel because they have been exposed to the “intel in side” advertisements throughout their computer lives.
AMD builds good products that are more than equal/better/cheaper than the market leader and they need to get their name out there while they are in the lead technology wise. Challenges like this are good for cementing their current clients, however to get more market share they need general public exposure and news worthy events.
Still all in all I like AMD, and I like Intel… but I love how they push each-other forward advancing technology… I only hope this heats up a lot more while being cool and energy efficient. Average people would be more than happy with a Athlon ABC that is 15% slower than Brand XYZ as long as it is cheaper…. how do you think they will feel if they only knew that Athlon ABC was 15%+ faster than XYZ and is still cheaper…
XYZ = Intel P4/Xeon lines if you remember to carry the 1 and brush your teeth at night.
“Hyper-Threading is one of those things where the pluses are very difficult to separate from the minuses.”
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2005May/gee20050513030458.htm
if amd is telling the truth then amd is being smart
“Actions speak louder than words.”
Couldn’t agre3e more,so time for actions let’s rumble:-)
AMD does not get it. Intel the largest chipmaker in the world a company that has exclusive contracts with apple and dell and other server and desktop computer makers and
a company that brings in alot more revenue then AMD. In other words AMD has nothing their marketing is not up to the status of Intel. AMD CPUs might be faster it really depends on the type of application,but that does not matter Intel still owns the CPU market share and brings alot more cash then amd
Right on – it’s about the marketing and positioning. This contest won’t prove anything we all don’t already know.
Microsoft OSs have long been inferior to others that came and went. Why? Marketing.
I can find countless other examples where the product wasn’t the best but dominated the market.
And don’t give me that crap about bullying, monopolistic practices, etc. At the end of the day, it’s about who runs their business smarter and better from many different aspects; it’s not about how obnoxious Hector can be today.
And don’t give me that crap about bullying, monopolistic practices, etc. At the end of the day, it’s about who runs their business smarter and better from many different aspects; it’s not about how obnoxious Hector can be today.
Blackmailing customers in order to stop or limit their access to competing products is smart? With the guilty verdict in Japan, and with many other countries currently investigating, I would have to disagree with that. Looks more like stupid to me.
There was no “guilty” verdict in Japan. Intel disagreed, did not admit any culpability, but did agree to change a couple of business practices because of subtle differences between US and Japanese law about how volume discounts are given.
That is not “blackmail” by any definition.
Japan simply made “recommendations” to Intel, and Intel accepted the recommendations.
So you’ve seen the entire spread of documents from the court case? Oh, yeah, you haven’t, because they’re not available. Your’re SPECULATING.
The other countries also have subtle differences in their laws, which AMD is attempting to exploit. See the SCO parallel again?
So I maintain: don’t give me crap about antitrust or bullying or “blackmailing” or anything like that.
http://news.com.com/Intel+to+abide+by+Japan+FTC+recommendations/210…
I love how people convict Intel in the “court of public opinion,” as if you’re privy to more than what AMD says in a 48 page marketing piece.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
See what tactics Intel uses:
http://www.swallowtail.org/naughty-intel.html
“Intel’s compiler: is crippling the competition acceptable?”
NO.
Thats more than enough… Intel is a bully!
Building video encoders I discovered there are certain operations that amd performs just a little bit better, I could squeak out adding a third camera on them but the intel machines of equivalent speed could only handle two. I give no quarter to bullies either and have been happily buying and selling nothing else since.
When it comes down to is AMD needs more friends…
Where is the AMD Only companies? Use less enegry per GHz/MHz and go after Intel. They need to think of the notebook market.. only rising from here on out.
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My only problem with AMD (I love their Chips) is their reliance on third party Chipsets. Via, Sis, and Nvidia are the main players here. Via is hit and miss, Sis is usually good enough not usually a performance winner, but Nvidia is great. I don’t like NVidia making you reliant on third party drivers for network and what not when they release new chips, but their wares have seemed stable and fast for me.
On the Opteron Front It is mostly a Nvidia game