“Fans of BeOS still mourn its untimely demise all these years after the release of R5 and subsequent sale of its assets to Palm. Now ZETA, a successor to BeOS, has been released. Naturally, we had to review it.”
“Fans of BeOS still mourn its untimely demise all these years after the release of R5 and subsequent sale of its assets to Palm. Now ZETA, a successor to BeOS, has been released. Naturally, we had to review it.”
I realy liked those Moving tabs, Yt 1.0 (aka Dan0) doesn’t support those… this is 1 more reason why i won’t even try it.
And what’s the matter with that “Preference” app? Where is the BeOS simplicity?
A rather good review, too bad about the poor quality screenshots thought that was explained in the review.
…Zeta didn’t put more work into the theme engine. Looks like they only implemented half of what’s needed. The buttons don’t change much (they appear to only change in color and size, but not in form) the window decorator changes and the scroll bars. The rest stays the same. That makes the “themes” look ugly.
Islam is not dissimilar to other religions, except in that its adherents seem to be rather conservative and violent after extended following. You know the type.
Christianity and Judaism have their disadvantages too though, so really Islam is not too different. Except that for some reason, Muslims have been unable to make a convincing case in favor of public acceptance. They haven’t been able to control their outbreaks of violence, and their lack of success can only be explained by the negative effects of Islam.
This leads me to think that Islam is perhaps not as innocent as its advocates claim. If it was it would be nonviolent, wouldn’t it? But the incessant rage of the typical Muslim is a damning indictment of the negative effects of Islam.
Islam is not dissimilar to other religions, except in that its adherents seem to be rather conservative and violent after extended following. You know the type.
Christianity and Judaism have their disadvantages too though, so really Islam is not too different. Except that for some reason, Muslims have been unable to make a convincing case in favor of public acceptance. They haven’t been able to control their outbreaks of violence, and their lack of success can only be explained by the negative effects of Islam.
This leads me to think that Islam is perhaps not as innocent as its advocates claim. If it was it would be nonviolent, wouldn’t it? But the incessant rage of the typical Muslim is a damning indictment of the negative effects of Islam.
Islam is not dissimilar to other religions, except in that its adherents seem to be rather conservative and violent after extended following. You know the type.
Christianity and Judaism have their disadvantages too though, so really Islam is not too different. Except that for some reason, Muslims have been unable to make a convincing case in favor of public acceptance. They haven’t been able to control their outbreaks of violence, and their lack of success can only be explained by the negative effects of Islam.
This leads me to think that Islam is perhaps not as innocent as its advocates claim. If it was it would be nonviolent, wouldn’t it? But the incessant rage of the typical Muslim is a damning indictment of the negative effects of Islam.
Islam is not dissimilar to other religions, except in that its adherents seem to be rather conservative and violent after extended following. You know the type.
Christianity and Judaism have their disadvantages too though, so really Islam is not too different. Except that for some reason, Muslims have been unable to make a convincing case in favor of public acceptance. They haven’t been able to control their outbreaks of violence, and their lack of success can only be explained by the negative effects of Islam.
This leads me to think that Islam is perhaps not as innocent as its advocates claim. If it was it would be nonviolent, wouldn’t it? But the incessant rage of the typical Muslim is a damning indictment of the negative effects of Islam.
I just shoved an iPod shuffle up my ass.
What does this has to do with BeOS or with this site at all?
Too bad Gassee’s ego got in the way. We might be running BeOS on Apple hardware these days. Instead the proprietary Microseft piece of shit Windows XP system running on 16bit Intel Pentio processors is the dominant platform.
Stupid Eugenio stop modding me down. What I’ve said is the truth. Enjoy your proprietary piece of shit Microseft XP system.
there never was an 16 bit pentium. stop stoopid trolling, then you don’t get modded down. x86 is at 64bit as is windows. os x still doesn’t support 64bit gui applications.
so your “better than yours” attitude isn’t even very founded.
Is the BeIDE the same?, I presume it must be, I left R5 because I couldn’t effectively debug my code.
Did any IDE substitutes come along?
I’m currently working on a new IDE for the Haiku/BeOS/Zeta platform, but I’m not done yet. It will be commercial and sold separately by me. You can find details here: http://s93114613.onlinehome.us/
AFAIK, the only IDE (as opposed to GUI editor) that’s really distributed with Zeta is the old BeIDE, and it is likely exactly the same one as shipped with older versions of BeOS, because Be didn’t write a lot of the code.
It looks nice but slipping in a new kernel before release killed it compatibility with a lot of hardware and not just old stuff newer systems as well. I can’t speak for anyone else but I can’t activate mine so I get nag screens every few minutes. I have posted in the forums over there but have recieved no responses yet.
I had the same problem until I entered a letter for what I was reading as a one in the nactivation code … worked after that. tale a closer look at the activation code. The font that was used could have been clearer on the card.
PalmSource has no plans to develop BeOS as a desktop OS. How much would they want to sell the rights for? I would be willing to pay £200 for BeOS R5 to be released under a BSD license. How many other people would? Would it be possible to raise enough to make this worthwhile for PlamSource? Would other companies be willing to put money into the pot to be able to use BeOS code in their products?
As it has been stated several times, there is no way that the code could be opened up. There is too much licensed closed-source code.
To be honest I think you’re better off donating the cash to the Haiku project. They’re picking up pace and if the developers could afford to take time off work and focus full-time on hacking up Haiku, they could probably have a runnable LiveCD out by the end of the year.
Haiku is the way forward as it’s also developed with the future in mind.
Ok, all other cons aside… one big, totally unneccessary minus in Yeta 1.0 is tons of all kinds of 3rd party apps. Not only are many of those of poor quality and take up space, they are also totally beside the point.
And it is not just silly games, but other SW too. For instance, I’ve got nothing against Beam E-mail Client, but default install should just set up live mail queries, as this is kind of uniqe and very clean concept-wise.
The point here is that the default install should showcase typical OS usage and its technology – leave costumisation to the users, they know best!
I remember there were some movements to buy the BeOS source some years ago.
But after the Haiku progress in last years it is not actual any more I think.
Of course, Apple just decided to go with the intel chip now —- proprietary AND with TCPA.
>>>I remember there were some movements to buy the BeOS source some years ago.
“Movements” meant paypal donations totalling a few hundred dollars —– vs. 11 million dollars price tag paid by Palm.
I’m wondering what happens if i try to look at ArsTechnica pages in BeOS Mozilla browser – left side of text is invisible/outside browser window.
That started after ArsTechnica site redisign quite long ago.
Anyone else with that problem?
http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=223&slide=1…
“proprietary piece of shit Microseft XP
system.”
are you just an idiot or are you insane?
Does anyone know where you could still get a legal copy of the R5 Personal Edition? I’d love to try it out on my older PC hardware.
you can get it here: http://www.bebits.com/app/2680
but it is said not to be working with more than 768MB ram installed. there is also something called beos max wich should support up to 1Gig of ram, which is basically a hacked version of beos 5 personal edition.
the last time i tried it, it was a little painfull to get working right on modern hardware.
but from what i have heard, zeta is still very buggy itself.
keep in mind that all of this is second hand knowledge. since i never got all that enthusiastic with beos it is been quit a while since i tried it.
thanks!
is fat
lmao
Zeta 1.0 supports up to 2Gb of memory and works on all memory configurations above that.
Computer is on…
Computer is on fire…
Bummer!
Ars didn’t like the beos boot manager screen (bootman) but actually I rreally liked it. I still use it to select which OS I want to start on boot, while I already removed the beos partition.
Is there a way to run beos executables in linux?
So, you won’t buy Zeta just because it doesn’t have sliding tabs. OK, but i was wondering which OS you will use. Do you only BeOS R5? Is there another OS with that feature?
Ditto. not buying because of lack of features. That, and YT sucks.
R5 still works perfectly fine for me. I have no problems with it. The drivers coming from Haiku mitigate the hardware support problem.
YT is not the future of BeOS, it’s the past – and it’s a dead-end.
reviewer should install the vesa accepted driver off bebits for decent video support under vmware.
http://bebits.com/app/1105
Damn, I must have been hallucinating about AST as well as all the other minor vendors then.
It’s a pity that documentation is impossible to use consistently, and that things are perhaps not fully documented. For example, he mentions he needed VMWare to take screen shots. Well, that’s simply not true! If you press the Print Screen button (memory is hazy on whether it needs a modifier: I just do it) it will dump a copy of the screenshot to a file. yT would be much better able to convince people of the value of things if they had it properly documented, it seems. Of course, having not read what’s distributed with Zeta myself as of yet (note: I know from posts on the yT forums that my older SMP P3 system with SCSI will not work with Zeta R1, because they screwed up both SCSI and SMP support in various ways) it may also be that the reviewer didn’t bother actually reading what documentation was distributed with the system. After all, let’s be fair: if you were to review a linux distro coming previously from an all-Windows experience, imagine how many things you’d be flummoxed by, if you chose to presume to go and do things without even thinking about reading all the “read me first!” type of documents!
He needed VMware to take screen shots of the install process, something you can’t do with native print-screen. And if you read the article, you may notice that the “read me first” document was in German on his English install, and that some of the other documentation was missing. Clearly he at least attempted to read the docs.
It’ll be sorely missed by myself too.
I’d be much happier if YT added useful things, not removing them and adding stupid themes.
A nicety would be automagic tab arrangement, if you open eg a new netpositive window it will be displayed under and a bit more to the right of your parent window. Why do that if you have sliding tabs? You can just as well let the tab slide to the other side of the window and just have it fullscreen, or do that only when you click the resize buttons on the tabs.
Why didn’t they do that?
It’s not yT removed sliding tabs. It’s Be inc. Zeta is based on so called BeOS Dano – BeOS 6 alfa or maybe beta. Whatever.
I happily booting to Dano with some Haiku inside
. It’s nice, quite stable, clean and done in Be way. But I do not have updated kernel, CUPS, ugly preference panel and so on.
The reviewer seemingly didn’t get the concept of “Tracker” and “Deskbar”. I wonder if it’s really that hard to understand, as Deskbar is a fairly obvious name.
Has anyone managed to get the ndiswrapper working.
Yes, I’m using NDIS wrapper.
Read the forums at yellowtab for detailed HowTo’s.
Just a correction: yT didn’t remove that feature. Be Inc. rewrote the app_server, so the sliding tabs were already like that when Dano showed up.
I think you had a great idea. Maybe yT didn’t do that yet because they didn’t think about that.
Please, post that in their forum. Something like Mac OS’ Exposé would be great too.
But maybe yT didn’t have the time, or that feature may have a lower priority in their timetable.
See ya,
Franx