The FreeBSD Project is excited to take part in the Google Summer of Code 2005. This project endeavors to fund students to contribute to an open source project over the summer break. The URL for NetBSD’s suggested projects is here.
FreeBSD/NetBSD Summer Projects
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If you are not traveling this summer and has nothing to do. There are a few ideas there that would drive FreeBSD foreward.
I would like to sign up for one of those userland projects
Would that be sufficient for a project? Improving what one can in the kernel?
The BSD Installer already works with FreeBSD so it would be pretty easy for someone to take the new release framework to press a livecd with the BSD Installer on it.
If anyone is interested in this project please drop me an email and I can help out with any questions.
SecureMines : Add meta-data to the system in order to trap intruders and provide and audit log.
This one looks particularly cool!
Anyway, the whole initiative sounds like a great plan for a student’s summer break.
it seems that NetBSD is being run
very, they seem to understand the
rules of google well, have created
some difficult but doable projects
and seem to provide the mentors
I’m sure the other projects will do
as well!
Summer break is -as its name suggests- should be a break. Go to the beach, and forget those evil computers for a short time!
I might take part in those, I’ve got 10 weeks of freedom (and not much to do) after my exams.
Seems to me you’re wrong. (yeah, I know you’re just trolling, but anyway..)
First counterexample that comes to mind: “Rewrite CVSup in C”.
If I knew the plethora of GPL/GNU/Linux distributions a bit better (the number reached 408 at distrowatch.com), I could tell exactly *how much* wrong you are – but I can’t.
Burning 408+ CDs is a heck of a hassle.
s/how much/how/
Seems to me all FreeBSD’s projects can be solved by using GNU/Linux.
Yeah, you’re right. It’s terrible having a stable and consistent system. A stable, consistent system is a huge problem and it must be solved. Not to mention all the documentation. Geez, they waste thier time on that? Who needs good documentation anyway, right? What are those BSD people thinking?
Seriously, those projects seem to be pretty neat. The NetBSD project are especially interesting. I really wonder how the heck they plan to pull off a BSD licensed version of XFS and JFS. That’s interesting! Both projects seem to be looking into UFS journaling as well. I hope they combine their efforts on that.
The NetBSD team is also planning a WiFi browser, a BSD licensed version of pgp (this is something usefull for both open source and commercial organizations) and a whole lot more.
The FreeBSD team seems to be wanting to finish their Xen port. That will be interesting. Then I’ll be able to run multiple FreeBSD instances on one machine. Awesome! The idea of rewriting CVSup into C isn’t a new one, but it seems like it’s finally getting done. I hope it runs as fast as the old CVSup or faster. That would be great!
All the BSD projects seem pretty interesting. I’ll be looking forward to what becomes of all the projects afterwards. I hope they’re able to complete them all or at least get a good start on them.
I couldn’t care less about Google, but I like the idea of important OS projects posting lists about what they need to have done. This will give me something to program on the weekends.
http://www.netbsd.org/contrib/projects.html#mmu-less
That’s interesting for me using mmuless microcontrollers.
For the majority of features listed in this page
Ermmm… you haven’t even read what’s there I think. The majority of the features have nothing to do with linux at all. So, go away and troll elsewhere.
ps. Question: can we say adam’s post is the par excellence example of the “linux zealot?” Is zealotry when someone posts offtopic comments (with wide generalizing statements) about how $his_favorite_os is better than the one discussed in the topic.
As to debian: care to point to the OpenOffice.org 1.9m105 .deb please? Oh, almost forgot: Hungarian version please
(yes, binary fbsd versions is available including almost all localized builds).
i wasnt aware any linux distro had released bsd licensed versions of those filesystems.
please point me to them.
you may not see the value in something, but then again, your opinion doesnt count in others deciding to take up those tasks.
“I am talking about kernel and other related issues.”
??
The only kernel related issue in that page has to do with the ‘linuxulator’.
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/summerofcode.html#p-kernel
So, yeah.. I’d pretty much expect that Linux is ahead in this, being already good at running *its own* binaries – hopefully..
“For the majority of features listed in this page; GNU/Linux has already had for awhile.”
Besides the fact that, as molnarcs said, those projects have nothing to do with Linux..
Even if Linux were ahead in some of those features, I would say.. so what? There are very appreciated features that FreeBSD has and Linux hasn’t: the first one that comes to mind is jails.
http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/papers/jail/jail.html
Solaris zones are conceptually based on them:
http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/solaris_zones.html
The second one is Soft Updates, that in various cases (not always; that’s why now journaling is also needed) is more convenient than journaling:
http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~vino/fs-perf/papers/su-vs-j-abstract.h…
http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/usenix2000/g…
“As for stability and consistency, there is Debian GNU/Linux and the Linux Standard Base.”
You couldn’t choose a more unfortunate example to prove your point.
The most recent version of the Linux Standard Base encourages *RPM* – and states that a future version might *require* it..
http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.0.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Co…
http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.0.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Co…
I don’t think that the Debian folks are very happy.. and in fact they aren’t: it’s well known that LSB is under major criticism, especially coming from Debian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_Base
Moreover, as for Debian’s stability, everybody knows at what price it comes – i.e., having OS and packages that were in vogue in an antediluvian era..
Btw this was one of the reasons why distrowatch.com, that used to run on Debian, now switched to FreeBSD.
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://distrowatch.com
On top of this, for what concerns the use as web server, FreeBSD beats Debian 2.500.000 to 800.000
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/06/07/nearly_25_million_acti…
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/03/14/fedora_makes_rapid_pro…
.. and that’s it. Now, I understand your trolling mood, but I’m not very interested in prolonging the discussion.. This thread is about BSD projects – that is, btw, projects released under an academic and liberal license, that goes to the benefit of the *whole* software developing community, without discrimination.
Conclusion: Don’t like FreeBSD? Install Debian, run it, have fun. I’m sure everybody here will suffer very much because of your choice – I know I will. Oh, the suffering.. – but time heals all wounds: we’ll learn to live with it.
P.S. to whomever might be interested: I’ve just noticed that the page with the projects proposed by FreeBSD has been updated. It looks like Brooks Davis – which is, among other things, a FreeBSD clusters guru
– added a couple of ideas..
“care to point to the OpenOffice.org 1.9m105 .deb please? Oh, almost forgot: Hungarian version please
”
ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC68…
ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC68…
enjoy
There is BSD jail available for linux
http://kerneltrap.org/node/3823
There are other (better) alternatives too – SElinux, linux VServer (http://linux-vserver.org/) or Xen.
The most recent version of the Linux Standard Base encourages *RPM* – and states that a future version might *require* it..
You should read better
“The distribution itself may use a different packaging format for its own packages, and of course it may use any available mechanism for installing the LSB-conformant packages.”
http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.0.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Co…
It’s true that the hungarian version is available for debian too. But from the page you linked, it seems that nonetheless there are fewer languages available for debian – I count 23, against 45 for FreeBSD.
ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/SRC68…
ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/1.9m105/
There is BSD jail available for linux
http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.0.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Co…
Actually I think *you* should read better the second link I posted.
http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.0.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Co…
“Supplying an RPM format package is encouraged because it makes systems easier to manage. A future version of the LSB may require RPM, or specify a way for an installer to update a package database.”
I meant Hungarian, not hungarian
(..and btw, I meant Debian, not debian. Maybe I’m too good on this one, but what the heck…
“There are other (better) alternatives too – SElinux, linux VServer (http://linux-vserver.org/) or Xen.”
Since I can’t make an accurate comparison between their functionality and the BSD Jail functionality, I must give you the benefit of the doubt. As far as I know, I can’t deny with absolute certainty that BSD Jail functionality *might* be present on GNU/Linux.
But on the Linux Standard Base I was right, and your correction was wrong.
Pavel Janik (leader of the czech OOo localization team) builds packages only for several languages. This is not a complete list of languages available for Debian.
A future version of the LSB may require RPM
You know, future is future. Besides that Debian can manipulate rpm packages (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/lsb-rpm, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/rpm)
In fact, I have installed OOo to my Debian machine using rpm packages (and the install script).
But I thing we are off-topic…
i wish there is such a project list for people want to work on linux. why there is no one like these?
If you by linux means the Linux family of operating systems you will be pleased to note that Ubunut has a rather huge list .
Pavel Janik (leader of the czech OOo localization team) builds packages only for several languages. This is not a complete list of languages available for Debian.
Ok, but if I understand correctly, the OpenOffice recent localized versions (for ex. 1.9m105) are more available as FreeBSD packages than as .deb packages (45 languages vs. 23 languages).
Beyond the particular example, I think this was molnarcs’ point.
“i wish there is such a project list for people want to work on linux. why there is no one like these?”
Clicking here –> http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html <– will make the names of the participating organizations magically appear.
For all of you people hoping to sign up for google’s wonderful program please just note a few things: you have to be a university student and they are only accepting 200 people/projects. Oh and the project lists from mentor orgs are just ideas… they have said it is much better to come up with your own idea, that is as innovative as possible…
It seems that all OpenOffice.org packages for FreeBSD are marked as BROKEN. Is that bad?
http://www.freshports.org/search.php?stype=name&method=match&query=…
>It seems that all OpenOffice.org packages for FreeBSD are marked as BROKEN. Is that bad?
Nope. OpenOffice.org packages are here:
ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/1.9m105/
Oh, and RTFM, it helps
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-p…
(Anyway, I didn’t know you were interested in FreeBSD)
http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10718&limit=no#381718
BROKEN: “rtld depends on _end symbol. type make -DTRYBROKEN to see how to upgrade your rtld”
Well there anonymous, how perceptive of you. You have found something that is several months out of date. Now if you actually did your home work you would have noticed:
“2005/Feb/5: Dmitry Morozovsky (marck) send me a patch for rtld.c for 4-RELENG. Update the ports as well. Hope rtld problem solved completely both 4 and 5 series.”
This tasty little tid bit can be found on the FreeBSD/OpenOffice porting web site. The link is list below for your enjoyment.
http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/
Please stay in school and let the big boys do there thing.
Side note: Ulib, damn, your on fire!!! Tis a damn good thing.
Just for clairfication, its patched and there are binaries available for those who don’t want to compile from source.
Thanks for pointing to the binaries ulib.
>Side note: Ulib, damn, your on fire!!! Tis a damn good thing.
That’s what happens when I drink too much coffee..
We got men covering our backs.
@ulib (IP: —.50-151.net24.it):
OpenOffice.org packages are here:
ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/1.9m105/
Sorry, my bad. I meant OpenOffice.org “ports” seem to be marked as BROKEN. (I tend to forget that FreeBSD calls source packages “ports”.) No, I don’t trust OpenOffice.org binary packages for FreeBSD — tried them several times with FreeBSD 4.7 and 4.8 and they never worked (some dependency problems or wrong library versions or something like that). Compiling OpenOffice.org from the “ports” tree takes ages (and you need to manually download several java packages) but it resulted a working OpenOffice.org in my case. So I’m sorry to see that all OpenOffice.org “ports” seem to be broken.
Anyway, I didn’t know you were interested in FreeBSD
Interested, yes — which doesn’t mean that I plan to install it in the near future.
@Anonymous (IP: —.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net):
Well there anonymous, how perceptive of you. You have found something that is several months out of date. Now if you actually did your home work you would have noticed:
“2005/Feb/5: Dmitry Morozovsky (marck) send me a patch for rtld.c for 4-RELENG. Update the ports as well. Hope rtld problem solved completely both 4 and 5 series.”
Apparently the patch didn’t work as planned because all OpenOffice.org “ports” are still marked as BROKEN at freshports.org, which is usually very much up-to-date. If the patch had worked, they’d probably have corrected the info.
>> Anyway, I didn’t know you were interested in FreeBSD
> Interested, yes — which doesn’t mean that I plan to install it in the near future.
Read again that remark of mine: it was sarcastic – I know you’re here just for trolling.
All time the same, please I want to read about the notice not about stupid war between “terrible enfants”
Sorry, I really think I’ve overdone it already (spent the night up for studying, hence my being way too “flammable”). I’m calling it quits now
Thanks martin for the link. I did google search for ooo debs before posting – and didn’t find that page. I knew that someone somewhere probably built .debs for latest oo.o – my problem is with the someone, somewhere, probably part.
Please, read that broken message carefully!
For others who may not know this: there is one version of FreeBSD ports that works across all FreeBSD versions. If the port fails to build for a still supported version of FreeBSD, it will be marked broken. In this case (quote from Makefile):
.if (${OSVERSION} < 503001 && ${OSVERSION} >= 500000) || (${OSVERSION} <= 492000)
BROKEN= “rtld depends on _end symbol. type make -DTRYBROKEN to see how to upgrade your rtld”
.endif
You see? oo.o port works for FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 5-stable and 6-current. IF you try to build it for 4.x you need to update your rtld to make it work, that’s all.
http://www.google.com
type in ‘openoffice 105 hu deb’
press ‘I’m Feeling Lucky’
😉
Ok, ok, I retract my comment (or at least that part of it)
) Still, searching for other phrases didn’t work (different naming conventions for packages I guess (the english version looks like this in freebsd: OOo_1.9m105_FreeBSD54Intel_install_en-US.tbz)