Why didn’t they integrate a phone into this? I would have bought one if they had 🙁 I’ve been looking to replace my Treo 180g and this looked like it would have done the job.
I don’t understand why some of you derive pleasure in mocking corporate enterprises that are beginning to see the light, with regards to free software and open standards. Isn’t it better to encourage Nokia and friends to continue to support free software and open standards whenever and however they can, as opposed to persecuting them?
Personally I like my phones to be phones and not try to do everything, this device as it is interests me, but I certainly wouldn’t consider it if it did have a phone. If you want connectivity when you are out with this device just use a Bluetooth phone.
I think this is absolutely the way to go for Nokia. This may set precedence for companies using OSS. I’m a KDE fan myself, so hopefully theres a company out there willing to do the same for the KDE project. Either way, this is a big boost to Gnome and the OSS movement as a whole. I’ll have to look into some Nokia phones now.
Nokia are not seeing the light, they are attempting to get better press, if they see the light they will do a u turn and come out against software patents in the EU.
I don’t understand why some of you derive pleasure in mocking corporate enterprises that are beginning to see the light, with regards to free software and open standards. Isn’t it better to encourage Nokia and friends to continue to support free software and open standards whenever and however they can, as opposed to persecuting them?
No, better would be if Nokia STOP lobbying for software patents in Europe. Not so nice now right?
..they can actually shift 500 of the flipping things. Am I the only person who thinks this thing looks like a neat toy but is in fact precisely useless?
Nokia worked on the DVB API for Linux, together with convergence GmbH. They contributed to the Linux kernel (IPv6, ATM, several drivers). They are a member of OSDL for quite a while, signed a distribution agreement with Loki Games in 2001, presented a Linux-based DVB receiver in 2000.
And Linus Torvalds won the Nokia Foundation Award in 1997… 🙂
So what if Nokia is a strong software patent supporter? How does that play into GNOME accepting donations from them? We can take their money and still lobby against software patents. If Nokia wants to throw money at their patent opponents, so be it.
You can’t really even dream that a huge company like Nokia would change its mind about software patents just like snapping Ollila’s fingers. Nokia really doesn’t take any risks in this matter, and neither would any of you, if it was your company. But Nokia’s attitude is getting better little by little. Their direction is definitely right, and I see no reason to complain about that.
One way of seeing this is that it’s money that Nokia will not be able to use for lobbying, heh.
This is not a donation, but an investment. They plan to sell many more tablet, since now virtually every geek thinks “hey, nokia is not evil anymore!”. So, albeit indirectly, Gnome is making Nokia make greater profits and consolidate its position of a lobbyst.
I’m just glad the GNOME project gets some more money, apart from the obvious PR attempt.
As an open source developer I do not see these moves as hostile acts. I vote we give them enough rope to hang themselves and then criticize, you never know, maybe they’ve had a change of heart.
It could be that Nokia is actually sharing. Yes it is possible they have a corporate consciousness and are NOT out to back stab all things FOSS. Keep this in mind before dawning your tin foil hats.
of Microsoft and that is why they are doing this. Open source is the most viable means of defeating MS in the long term and Nokia probably just watched MS slowly inch up on palm’s lead. Ms will do the same in the cell phone market.
Basically Nokia is supporting linux before its too late.
“I don’t understand why some of you derive pleasure in mocking corporate enterprises that are beginning to see the light, with regards to free software and open standards. Isn’t it better to encourage Nokia and friends to continue to support free software and open standards whenever and however they can, as opposed to persecuting them?”
Yes, of course. Still, you can’t really persecute a corporation — it is not a living thing with feelings and what not. Furthermore, it should be remembered that public corporations never do anything unless it is in *their* best interest. They can’t — by-law they must serve their shareholders and that means they must always maximize the bottom line. If they are giving handouts, it is not for the sake of charity alone. Yes, of course it is nice to recieve donations and good-will is generally in order. Still, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t bear some scepticism. Have you ever heard the parable of strangers bearing gifts?
Do you people ever do anything except bitch about what people donate? If they donate money, it doesn’t matter because they don’t open source all of their software, or because they support software patents, or because they use the wrong license, or because they’re a large business, or because they don’t have them same favorite color as you. Nothing is open-enough, or free-enough, or helpful-enough, or ever enough to receive much more than RAWR THEY COULD DO MORE or RAWR THIS IS MARKETING.
Most of the time it seems doing nothing to contribute to the development of open source software is typically better for a business than the opposite, because then the frequently noncontributing peanut gallery ignores your existence.
I’ll be waiting for mini-RMS’ complaints about Nokia’s forthcoming financial contributions to GNOME.
Sheesh … get a live. Showing off a video of the Gnome CVS version and it has problems … great news, well done. By the way it has nothing to do with this article.
Personally i am using Gnome 2.10 with Ubuntu and it is simply works. It is a pain to go to work and having to use Windows.
– It’s a CVS version, so it’s bound to have problems.
– Showing off a video of the Gnome CVS version and it has problems.
The problems with the Toolbar malpracticing, as well as the Nautilus not willing to copy is also a problem found in stable distributions such as Ubuntu, Redhat or Novell Desktop. I think before you Rick and Elmo start shouting off your incompetence in the public, better get off and review the stuff you are using. Clearly it’s people with lack of clue and lack of programming who respond here. Ubuntu is a distribution, they have dozens of paid people who work on fixing stuff localy. But we speak about GNOME and not Ubuntu.
People bash if the companies don’t cooperate, people bash if the companies cooperate…what else? Should Gnome limit personal donations to certified saints, martirs and virgins?
Since Nokia is using Gnome on their new tablet anyway, it’s _great_ news that they decided to give some money back.
“The problems with the Toolbar malpracticing, as well as the Nautilus not willing to copy is also a problem found in stable distributions such as Ubuntu, Redhat or Novell Desktop”
Oh … big deal, yes there are things that are broken in Gnome. The main and worst part of the video showing were applications crashing all the time, leaving generally an impression that Gnome doesn’t work … this misrepresenting the facts. Gnome (on Ubuntu, since it is the distro i use) works great and i yet have to see an application crash, although i do not use dia so ia can’t say).
” start shouting off your incompetence in the public, better get off and review the stuff you are using. ”
i do not need to ‘review’ the stuff i am working with, as i work with it on a daily basis … and it simply works, this at least has been my experience.
“Clearly it’s people with lack of clue and lack of programming who respond here. Ubuntu is a distribution, they have dozens of paid people who work on fixing stuff localy. But we speak about GNOME and not Ubuntu.”
Who is clueless? Yes, well done Ubuntu is a distribution and Gnome a Desktop Environment. Therefor you should have noticed that it is pointless to talk of Gnome detached from a distribution, as you need the distribution to run Gnome. And therefor it is perfectly normal to speak of Gnome on <distribution> works great or doesn’t … that was the whole point, that Gnome 2.10 on Ubuntu (red hat, novell) works fine and stable.
“People bash if the companies don’t cooperate, people bash if the companies cooperate…what else? Should Gnome limit personal donations to certified saints, martirs and virgins?
Since Nokia is using Gnome on their new tablet anyway, it’s _great_ news that they decided to give some money back.”
On the surface, yes. What does that mean when you say “give some money back?” Are the people actually writing the software asking for money in the first place? This stuff is written largely by volounteers and it is willfully *given away for everyones benefit* so lets not forget where the real charity is coming from (hint: it is not Nokia). If you ask me, it would be far more appropriate for Nokia (and all corporations) to make donations anonymously or at least without any fanfare. How many normal people do you know who have donated to a project (or anything) only to put out a press release saying so? Is it a gift or are they trying to buy something?
It seems only corporations and the very wealthy are inelegant in such matters. Besides, the mere fact that they have made a donation must still weigh-in against everything else that goes into making a determination of their character and intent. If a real evil person (go ahead, choose your most hated politician) donates to a charity, does that make them not evil? BTW, I’m not saying Nokia is evil in this case but that’s not the point anyhow. Because it sure sounded like you might be suggesting that we raise a banner for Nokia. Uhm, sure go knock yourself out but I reserve the right to not take such an idea too seriously.
About as interesting as any other marketing exercise from a large corporation….
Why didn’t they integrate a phone into this? I would have bought one if they had 🙁 I’ve been looking to replace my Treo 180g and this looked like it would have done the job.
John
First using open source software, then the patents, now this. Go Nokia!
Nokia is trying to appear friendly to the OSS crowd… and I also wonder if they are just pretending.
If money = pretending… they can “pretend” all they want!
How about donating a bunch of the 770s to the core GNOME developers as well? Who else could make this device shine even more?
I don’t understand why some of you derive pleasure in mocking corporate enterprises that are beginning to see the light, with regards to free software and open standards. Isn’t it better to encourage Nokia and friends to continue to support free software and open standards whenever and however they can, as opposed to persecuting them?
Of course this doesn’t include all sales but only those of “the Developer Device Program”.
Personally I like my phones to be phones and not try to do everything, this device as it is interests me, but I certainly wouldn’t consider it if it did have a phone. If you want connectivity when you are out with this device just use a Bluetooth phone.
Palm is going to Linux. Nokia first step to Linux via this GNOME platform make me happy. Hope this will be adopted into NG Nokia mobile phones
I think this is absolutely the way to go for Nokia. This may set precedence for companies using OSS. I’m a KDE fan myself, so hopefully theres a company out there willing to do the same for the KDE project. Either way, this is a big boost to Gnome and the OSS movement as a whole. I’ll have to look into some Nokia phones now.
Nokia are not seeing the light, they are attempting to get better press, if they see the light they will do a u turn and come out against software patents in the EU.
I don’t understand why some of you derive pleasure in mocking corporate enterprises that are beginning to see the light, with regards to free software and open standards. Isn’t it better to encourage Nokia and friends to continue to support free software and open standards whenever and however they can, as opposed to persecuting them?
No, better would be if Nokia STOP lobbying for software patents in Europe. Not so nice now right?
It’s a shame for the Gnome project to accept donations from one of the most PRO-SOFTWARE PATENTS companies in Europe. Shame on you, Gnome.
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By Anonymous (IP: —.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) – Posted on 2005-05-31 16:44:57
How about donating a bunch of the 770s to the core GNOME developers as well? Who else could make this device shine even more?
I think they already did this to a small degree at GUADEC.
Could be wrong but PlanetGnome had some of the developers talking about getting the product there I think.
If their motives aren’t exactly pure, but the profits are good, look for a shift in attitude from manufacturers.
There may be room to criticize Nokia, but let’s not be too reactionary, shall we?
..they can actually shift 500 of the flipping things. Am I the only person who thinks this thing looks like a neat toy but is in fact precisely useless?
Nokia worked on the DVB API for Linux, together with convergence GmbH. They contributed to the Linux kernel (IPv6, ATM, several drivers). They are a member of OSDL for quite a while, signed a distribution agreement with Loki Games in 2001, presented a Linux-based DVB receiver in 2000.
And Linus Torvalds won the Nokia Foundation Award in 1997… 🙂
it’s a shame by gnome leaders: in spite of recent “donation” of patents, nokia is STILL one of the biggest supporters for software patents in EU!
So what if Nokia is a strong software patent supporter? How does that play into GNOME accepting donations from them? We can take their money and still lobby against software patents. If Nokia wants to throw money at their patent opponents, so be it.
You can’t really even dream that a huge company like Nokia would change its mind about software patents just like snapping Ollila’s fingers. Nokia really doesn’t take any risks in this matter, and neither would any of you, if it was your company. But Nokia’s attitude is getting better little by little. Their direction is definitely right, and I see no reason to complain about that.
It’s a shame for the Gnome project to accept donations from one of the most PRO-SOFTWARE PATENTS companies in Europe. Shame on you, Gnome.
One way of seeing this is that it’s money that Nokia will not be able to use for lobbying, heh.
I’m just glad the GNOME project gets some more money, apart from the obvious PR attempt.
One way of seeing this is that it’s money that Nokia will not be able to use for lobbying, heh.
This is not a donation, but an investment. They plan to sell many more tablet, since now virtually every geek thinks “hey, nokia is not evil anymore!”. So, albeit indirectly, Gnome is making Nokia make greater profits and consolidate its position of a lobbyst.
I’m just glad the GNOME project gets some more money, apart from the obvious PR attempt.
Yeah, let’s ask a sponsorship from SCO too.
As an open source developer I do not see these moves as hostile acts. I vote we give them enough rope to hang themselves and then criticize, you never know, maybe they’ve had a change of heart.
It could be that Nokia is actually sharing. Yes it is possible they have a corporate consciousness and are NOT out to back stab all things FOSS. Keep this in mind before dawning your tin foil hats.
of Microsoft and that is why they are doing this. Open source is the most viable means of defeating MS in the long term and Nokia probably just watched MS slowly inch up on palm’s lead. Ms will do the same in the cell phone market.
Basically Nokia is supporting linux before its too late.
The Nokia 770 Internet Table rocks. I want one so badly. They have some more info and pics of it on their site:
http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/770
“I don’t understand why some of you derive pleasure in mocking corporate enterprises that are beginning to see the light, with regards to free software and open standards. Isn’t it better to encourage Nokia and friends to continue to support free software and open standards whenever and however they can, as opposed to persecuting them?”
Yes, of course. Still, you can’t really persecute a corporation — it is not a living thing with feelings and what not. Furthermore, it should be remembered that public corporations never do anything unless it is in *their* best interest. They can’t — by-law they must serve their shareholders and that means they must always maximize the bottom line. If they are giving handouts, it is not for the sake of charity alone. Yes, of course it is nice to recieve donations and good-will is generally in order. Still, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t bear some scepticism. Have you ever heard the parable of strangers bearing gifts?
Do you people ever do anything except bitch about what people donate? If they donate money, it doesn’t matter because they don’t open source all of their software, or because they support software patents, or because they use the wrong license, or because they’re a large business, or because they don’t have them same favorite color as you. Nothing is open-enough, or free-enough, or helpful-enough, or ever enough to receive much more than RAWR THEY COULD DO MORE or RAWR THIS IS MARKETING.
Most of the time it seems doing nothing to contribute to the development of open source software is typically better for a business than the opposite, because then the frequently noncontributing peanut gallery ignores your existence.
I’ll be waiting for mini-RMS’ complaints about Nokia’s forthcoming financial contributions to GNOME.
You already trolled that video on slashdot. It’s a CVS version, so it’s bound to have problems.
Sheesh … get a live. Showing off a video of the Gnome CVS version and it has problems … great news, well done. By the way it has nothing to do with this article.
Personally i am using Gnome 2.10 with Ubuntu and it is simply works. It is a pain to go to work and having to use Windows.
– It’s a CVS version, so it’s bound to have problems.
– Showing off a video of the Gnome CVS version and it has problems.
The problems with the Toolbar malpracticing, as well as the Nautilus not willing to copy is also a problem found in stable distributions such as Ubuntu, Redhat or Novell Desktop. I think before you Rick and Elmo start shouting off your incompetence in the public, better get off and review the stuff you are using. Clearly it’s people with lack of clue and lack of programming who respond here. Ubuntu is a distribution, they have dozens of paid people who work on fixing stuff localy. But we speak about GNOME and not Ubuntu.
People bash if the companies don’t cooperate, people bash if the companies cooperate…what else? Should Gnome limit personal donations to certified saints, martirs and virgins?
Since Nokia is using Gnome on their new tablet anyway, it’s _great_ news that they decided to give some money back.
“The problems with the Toolbar malpracticing, as well as the Nautilus not willing to copy is also a problem found in stable distributions such as Ubuntu, Redhat or Novell Desktop”
Oh … big deal, yes there are things that are broken in Gnome. The main and worst part of the video showing were applications crashing all the time, leaving generally an impression that Gnome doesn’t work … this misrepresenting the facts. Gnome (on Ubuntu, since it is the distro i use) works great and i yet have to see an application crash, although i do not use dia so ia can’t say).
” start shouting off your incompetence in the public, better get off and review the stuff you are using. ”
i do not need to ‘review’ the stuff i am working with, as i work with it on a daily basis … and it simply works, this at least has been my experience.
“Clearly it’s people with lack of clue and lack of programming who respond here. Ubuntu is a distribution, they have dozens of paid people who work on fixing stuff localy. But we speak about GNOME and not Ubuntu.”
Who is clueless? Yes, well done Ubuntu is a distribution and Gnome a Desktop Environment. Therefor you should have noticed that it is pointless to talk of Gnome detached from a distribution, as you need the distribution to run Gnome. And therefor it is perfectly normal to speak of Gnome on <distribution> works great or doesn’t … that was the whole point, that Gnome 2.10 on Ubuntu (red hat, novell) works fine and stable.
“People bash if the companies don’t cooperate, people bash if the companies cooperate…what else? Should Gnome limit personal donations to certified saints, martirs and virgins?
Since Nokia is using Gnome on their new tablet anyway, it’s _great_ news that they decided to give some money back.”
On the surface, yes. What does that mean when you say “give some money back?” Are the people actually writing the software asking for money in the first place? This stuff is written largely by volounteers and it is willfully *given away for everyones benefit* so lets not forget where the real charity is coming from (hint: it is not Nokia). If you ask me, it would be far more appropriate for Nokia (and all corporations) to make donations anonymously or at least without any fanfare. How many normal people do you know who have donated to a project (or anything) only to put out a press release saying so? Is it a gift or are they trying to buy something?
It seems only corporations and the very wealthy are inelegant in such matters. Besides, the mere fact that they have made a donation must still weigh-in against everything else that goes into making a determination of their character and intent. If a real evil person (go ahead, choose your most hated politician) donates to a charity, does that make them not evil? BTW, I’m not saying Nokia is evil in this case but that’s not the point anyhow. Because it sure sounded like you might be suggesting that we raise a banner for Nokia. Uhm, sure go knock yourself out but I reserve the right to not take such an idea too seriously.