Does anyone know if there is actually a G5 (or similar) PPC board that you can purchase that isn’t apple hardware? Every PPC board that I’ve found has been outrageously expensive, and I’d like to have a PPC just for linux (no sense paying the apple tax if you’re going to not use OS X).
You’d probably have a hard time finding one made by someone other than Apple, and still being at a decent price point. Since Apple ships PPC boxes in much higher numbers than any other PPC hw makers, they are able to get much better pricing for them, even with their “tax” counted in.
pegasos ppc will set you back quite a lot, for a G3 or G4. Memory is only 133Mhz on Pegosos2 boards.
@pojo
Mac Mini is the only practical solution to getting G4 PowerPC hardware at a reasonable price.
“None-apple” hardware would mean, it doesn’t come with OSX, but then whats the point of buying PowerPC arch *without* OSX and paying *a lot more money* for the hardware itself?
Yeah, I’ve looked at pegasos boards, but they are very pricy for what you get, and you only get a G4 (slower than a Mac Mini too). The IBM blade center is also very pricey, each blade was > 2500 if I remember correctly (too lazy to go and look up right now).
I was just thinking for a bit though, and I was wondering that since Apple mainly uses commodity hardware, and since the G5 works with the HyperTransport bus, if you could modify something like a nForce 4 motherboard, and mount a G5 on an adapter card that had the pins for the 939 socket and and stick an OpenBIOS for the bios. The only thing that would be needed is a memory controller for the PPC (since the AMD64s have one built in) but the bus is the same, and a tweaked OpenBIOS to tie it all together.
Of course, I am not a hardware engineer. Just a software engineer and so I don’t know the 5,000 reasons why this is impossible.
Yellowdog linux is a very powerful distribution. now it is used to crunch numbers in submarines. i think they won a contract last year and they are providing support to the Navy and L-Martin.
i wouldn’t be ashamed by running Yellowdog on my Imac G5. 🙂
I’ve never been sure what all the fuss about Yellow Dog was. When I tried it on my iBook and PowerMac it was the buggiest and worst Linux distro I’ve ever used. Ubuntu works much better. I might even try the new Fedora PPC. Yellow Dog doesn’t even seem to have a place anymore as it is just based off of Fedora.
I agree with that. I don’t see what the fuss about Yellow Dog is. Their packages are out of date, their support for Apple hardware isn’t exactly better than other distributions like Debian or Ubuntu. There are less packages on YDL as well and they aren’t as easily upgradable as Debian or Gentoo.
What happened to YDL guys, they are supposed to be PPC exclusive (if one can say that), and still no sound support, so much for having the power of 64 bit processor and not being able to do sound or video editing. Do the guys at YDL use YDL themselves or are they running Mac OS X (might even be running windows). It has been almost 2 years since the G5’s where launched and it’s high time sound was supported on the G5. How many years before we get sound support on G5.
I can imagine plenty of reasons to choose Linux over OSX on G5 hardware. However, A/V editing isn’t one. OSX is incredibly well equipped for this kind of task and has all the professional apps you could wish for. Putting Linux on this hardware and trying to edit A/V with it would seem masochistic in comparison.
Linux does work great as a network server or for heavy duty number crunching though!
still no sound on the G5. once that is working, linux on the G5 would be a wonderful desktop machine.
I thought YD was mac hardware centric? If not G5 64-Bit what then? IBM pSeries machines?
Does anyone know if there is actually a G5 (or similar) PPC board that you can purchase that isn’t apple hardware? Every PPC board that I’ve found has been outrageously expensive, and I’d like to have a PPC just for linux (no sense paying the apple tax if you’re going to not use OS X).
You’d probably have a hard time finding one made by someone other than Apple, and still being at a decent price point. Since Apple ships PPC boxes in much higher numbers than any other PPC hw makers, they are able to get much better pricing for them, even with their “tax” counted in.
You can try getting an IBM blade server that runs the PowerPC 970 (G5) though: http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/bladecenter/js20/more_info.htm…
Terra Soft sells Apple hardware with Yellow Dog preinstalled. I’m not sure if it is cheaper though.
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/apple/unique_var.shtml
I’m not sure if they offer g5 boards, but try googling pegasos ppc.
pegasos ppc will set you back quite a lot, for a G3 or G4. Memory is only 133Mhz on Pegosos2 boards.
@pojo
Mac Mini is the only practical solution to getting G4 PowerPC hardware at a reasonable price.
“None-apple” hardware would mean, it doesn’t come with OSX, but then whats the point of buying PowerPC arch *without* OSX and paying *a lot more money* for the hardware itself?
Yeah, I’ve looked at pegasos boards, but they are very pricy for what you get, and you only get a G4 (slower than a Mac Mini too). The IBM blade center is also very pricey, each blade was > 2500 if I remember correctly (too lazy to go and look up right now).
I was just thinking for a bit though, and I was wondering that since Apple mainly uses commodity hardware, and since the G5 works with the HyperTransport bus, if you could modify something like a nForce 4 motherboard, and mount a G5 on an adapter card that had the pins for the 939 socket and and stick an OpenBIOS for the bios. The only thing that would be needed is a memory controller for the PPC (since the AMD64s have one built in) but the bus is the same, and a tweaked OpenBIOS to tie it all together.
Of course, I am not a hardware engineer. Just a software engineer and so I don’t know the 5,000 reasons why this is impossible.
Dood, just get it over, hit “evilBay” and get a used G5.
Yellowdog linux is a very powerful distribution. now it is used to crunch numbers in submarines. i think they won a contract last year and they are providing support to the Navy and L-Martin.
i wouldn’t be ashamed by running Yellowdog on my Imac G5. 🙂
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read the article:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7789
THIS IS REGARDING THE SAME ARTICLE IN CASE YOU CAN’T ACCESS THE PREVIOUS ONE.
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/news/2003/2003-08-06.shtml
I’ve never been sure what all the fuss about Yellow Dog was. When I tried it on my iBook and PowerMac it was the buggiest and worst Linux distro I’ve ever used. Ubuntu works much better. I might even try the new Fedora PPC. Yellow Dog doesn’t even seem to have a place anymore as it is just based off of Fedora.
I agree with that. I don’t see what the fuss about Yellow Dog is. Their packages are out of date, their support for Apple hardware isn’t exactly better than other distributions like Debian or Ubuntu. There are less packages on YDL as well and they aren’t as easily upgradable as Debian or Gentoo.
What happened to YDL guys, they are supposed to be PPC exclusive (if one can say that), and still no sound support, so much for having the power of 64 bit processor and not being able to do sound or video editing. Do the guys at YDL use YDL themselves or are they running Mac OS X (might even be running windows). It has been almost 2 years since the G5’s where launched and it’s high time sound was supported on the G5. How many years before we get sound support on G5.
I can imagine plenty of reasons to choose Linux over OSX on G5 hardware. However, A/V editing isn’t one. OSX is incredibly well equipped for this kind of task and has all the professional apps you could wish for. Putting Linux on this hardware and trying to edit A/V with it would seem masochistic in comparison.
Linux does work great as a network server or for heavy duty number crunching though!
Look nobody but Apple has complete sound support on Apple Hardware.
The soundchips are a custom design, as is the circutry that supports sleep.
Apple has not released specs. Apple, to my knowledge, has no plans to release specs.
YDL still hasn’t managed to reverse engineer either.
Oh, and fan speed? YDL’s support of the custom chips that control fan speed is also iffy.