This could be a decisive moment for the software market. Microsoft’s big cash cow is the Windows/Office combo. If you look through the company’s financial reports, you’ll see that profits come mainly from Windows and Office. This means that Windows sales support the existence of other products and services. An unexpected drop in demand of Windows could cause a domino effect. At the moment this seems highly improbable because Windows desktop market share is over 90%, even though there is an increasing interest in MacOS X and Linux.The next Windows version, named Longhorn, should be released during the fall of 2006. Obviously Microsoft is trying to keep people interested by annuncing every month, or more often, some news about which features will be included, or that will not be part of it. There is also a parallel strategy to keep open a stream of money until Longhorn is released: Windows XP Professional x64 Edition. Microsoft hopes to fill this 18 months long period with an updated version of Windows XP.
So, could anything unexpected happen? Could any competing platform shake up this market?
Linux ? No, I don’t think it could be called a desktop for “mom&dad”. At least not yet. And there are various barriers to its widescale adoption in businesses.
And we need something unexpected. A surprise.
Let’s try to correlate some recent news:
January 11, 2005
During his keynote at San Francisco MacWorld, Steve Jobs confirmed that Tiger (MacOS X 10.4) will be released in the first half of the year.
February 21, 2005
“Intel Corporation today announced the availability of five new processors for desktop computers with support for 64-bit memory addressability through Intel Extended Memory 64 Technology (Intel EM64T). Intel plans to ship EM64T on versions of every newly introduced Intel desktop processor.”
March 11, 2005
“Apple will officially announce Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger’s release at an event in early April and will begin shipping the operating system within two or three weeks afterwards, Think Secret has learned.”
March 31, 2005
“Microsoft said that Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Standard x64 Edition, Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Enterprise x64 Edition, Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Datacenter x64 Edition, and Windows XP Professional x64 Edition all had been released to manufacturing, in time for a scheduled release in late April.”
April 11, 2005
“According to Microsoft and Intel estimates, 2005 will be the year when, for the first time, the vast majority of new server hardware and high-end workstation shipments will be 64-bit capable.”
So, let’s immagine that…
April 29, 2005
Apple releases Tiger.
Apple releases Tiger for PC.
Nobody knows if this is going to happen with the Tiger announcement, but when a MacOS X release for PC does come, and I’m sure it will, it will be a surprise for everyone. We know that Steve Jobs likes secrets, and such an important move will be kept secret at any cost, even if it means moving the development labs to Mars. So let’s proceed with our speculation…
Announcing MacOS X availability for PCs 18 months before Longhorn would leave Microsoft bewildered, because they will be ready more than a year later, and without some innovations already included in Tiger. Do you remember what Bill Gates said on Longhorn and WinFS ? Well, Tiger includes Spotlight.
The first result would be sales competition with Windows x64, and an unexpected challenge to some easy money Microsoft plans to make.
Releasing Tiger only for 64bit processors would be good strategy. It would:
- Take advantage of 64bit optimizations included in Tiger for G5 CPUs.
- Avoid performance and compatibility problems with older PCs (x86-64 cpus were introduced in 2003 by AMD.)
- Focus the marketing effort toward people that are already planning to buy a new computer.
- Focus on systems with a medium-high price to stay in the range of Apple’s hardware prices.
- Oblige people with a 32bit PC that want to try MacOS X to buy a new computer: hoping they choose Apple’s hardware too.
But there is another advantage. Apple will have more than 2 years to work on the next MacOS X version, and it could be announced in the first half of 2007, just 6 months after Longhorn availability, putting Microsoft on yet another catch-up cycle.
If Apple hopes to take any marketshare from Microsoft, catching them unawares will be an essential part of that strategy. Microsoft has proven itself to be tenacious when under threat, so it would be in Apple’s best interest to keep pressing, and not allow Microsoft to hold the title of the “newest and most modern OS” for very long. If Apple could pull this off, it would have the double effect of gaining a new customer, but also luring away Microsoft’s valuable early adopter customer base. And where the early adopters go, the steady stream of regular users who listen to them will follow, as older PCs are decommissioned and replaced with 64 bit ones.
When a “switcher” chooses to install MacOS X on his PC, three things will happen:
- Apple’s market share grows up (percentage)
- Microsoft’s market share decreases (percentage)
- Apple gets money for the license (Microsoft had already got the money)
But when a new PC is bought, and the buyer could choose the OS, and if he chooses MacOS X something different will happen:
- Apple’s market share grows up (percentage)
- Microsoft’s market share decreases (percentage)
- Apple gets money for the license (Microsoft gets nothing)
If this scenario occurred the market would truly be shaken, and for 18 months whoever bought a new computer could choose between a brand new MacOS X Tiger, or a 64 bit version of plain old Windows XP (originally released in 2001).
And you, what would you choose?
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I could see Apple issuing a limited license for OS X to a few companies like IBM, or Sony, or HP at some point in the future to extend the breadth of the platform. But throwing an x86 version out for every beige-box manufacturer in the world like some Windows or Linux isn’t gonna happen. One of the attractions of the Mac platform is the tight integration of the software and the hardware. If they do license out OS X, you can be sure it’s only going to be to a few companies that have the expertise and the resources to likewise maintain that integration. I doubt Apple is going to tolerate leaving the quality of their user experience at the mercy of hardware vendors that they have no input with. As often as not, problems people complain about with Windows are actually hardware issues. I doubt Apple wants to find themselves in the same position.
Guys, I think some of you are really missing one point: OS X is by far the most advanced OS there is. It’s not really only a matter of look or interface design. It’s also the most user-friendly and it’s got the best UI miles ahead of the rest. That’s a fact, you cannot deny it. Everyone that has studied just a bit of interface design would agree on that. But it’s not just that:
Mac OS X’s architecture is far superior to Linux & Windows. Doesn’t matter how many Dock or Exposé clones you can find: I happen to have been a user of those for quite a long time, but they’re memory hungry, they aren’t based on a server-client window scheme, and they collapse quite often or hang up from time to time. And are not system integrated.
Quartz Extreme & Quicktime (and now Core Image and Core Video) make a solid basis to develop powerful graphic effects at virtually zero performance hit, and are able to update the contents of the window while transforming it (try that, clones), or to let you interact with it.
Some guy noted out that all the major features in Tiger would be out for GNU/Linux in two weeks. That’s not gonna happen any time soon, my dear friend. Spotlight technology has to be built into the core of the system. The Dashboard is much more than just a bunch of widgets, and it benefits from Exposé technology. Automator is based on Applescript, so leave that one out too. H.264 – Quicktime 7… no way soon, but maybe not that far. iChat AV is faaaaaaaar superior to any IM program out there.
But on top of that is that out-of-the-box look that Apple has, that makes sure that everything is going to work at the first time. It does work always. Everything. That’s amazing. No dependency error, no library needed, no compiling. I’ve spent years struggling with those errors trying to install linux software, some times it worked, some times it didn’t. Sometimes I had to get some new drivers for some new peripheral, sometimes I did not… but it’s that lack of consistency that hurts linux. OS X is working now. It’s everything Linux wants to be, and more, but now.
“And I suppose you have source to back up these numbers, right? ”
Source : Moulinneuf
You mean your too incompetent to know about it and to confirm it by yourself :
Number of internet user worldwide by the UN , Number of internet user wordwide by Internet stats , number of computer desktop shipped worldwide , number of computer estimated to still be in use worldwide , number of download of GNU/Linux , BSD worldwide. Number of big GNU/linux company clients and Number of big BSD company ( excluding Apple ) etc … its the compilation of many of those source where I get the midle ground numbers as the accurate numbers are almost impossible to come by ( it ship everywhere from many place and not everyone reports it ).
“Yeah, in some pre-alpha form that will be finished two or three years if not abandoned before.”
Apple is copying GNU/Linux in this release and as added some nifty little trick wish can be easily added …
“Even resolution switching doesn’t work properly (the max refresh rate of lower resolution are locked to the max refresh rate of the highest resolution).”
It be fun that you provided details of what your talking about ( hardware , software , who’s the pro doing your support and install ) :
whe have x.org which dont do that , Xfree dont do that either , Xi Graphics dont , Nvidia and Ati dont either, etc …
“F/OSS is getting better but the “it’s already better” attitude is hurting the movement since people buy the hype, realise this is lies and won’t come back.”
Lies ? oh yes You cant run Microsoft office on it without some crossover or wine program and you cant run the apps from apple or windows without an emulator , beside that it ship with more software natively for a cheaper price , is more stable when installed properly and is cheaper to upgrade.
BTW if it dont work as you put it why is our code used in BOTH Apple and Microsoft product …
You frickin “apple people” make me ashamed to enjoy computers in any way whatsoever, regardless of the OS. I only saw one or two posts refer to Apple as a hardware VENDOR (do you people even know what’s inside your pcs? do you think it’s all made by Apple? oh, that’s right – you don’t care and don’t want to know) and others full of typical condescending remarks ala the idiot dems when we lost to Bush…again…which I didn’t think was possible. But oh don’t underestimate the ability of gifted elitist genius informing the lowly peons of what they SHOULD and SHOULDN’T be using or doing with themselves… And the constant whining of “I just want to get my work done!”. Well what the hell do you think the “rest” of us do every single day? We all WORK. We use what we’ve got! What we like! What we’ve chosen! Linux, OS X, XP…I’ve got several of each! Where do you people get off simultaneously speaking for and insulting the majority, bitching about minority status (oh why aren’t we all as brilliant as you?) and then when it’s suggested or dreamed about that one thing might be operable with another, wailing and writhing in throes of death and pain about the sanctity of the platform and how the fabric of society will be torn asunder. “MARRIAGE should be between a MAN and a WOMAN!! There is no other way!!! Anything else de-values the meaning of what I have!!!” Is that what you mean? No of course not…because you’re all open-minded, intelligent, creative, writing-types who defend choice above everything as well as getting all the WORK in the world done while the rest of us lie around on our asses rebooting our fingers to the bone as a result of ignorant choices, deformed faces, and hunchbacks. Sure we’ve got poets, painters, writers and musicians, but they’re all butt-ugly, and certainly not as talented or hip as those who use OS X!
Listen to yourselves. Good grief. This is how you make your case? This is the tone you use to convince and convey? You want people to “vote for your man”? Or use your OS? Good luck with whatever else you’re destined for. Especially if it involves anything outside a circle of like-minded friends few in number.
Oh wait…
This “Apple is indie and punk” business is tired. Yeah, it’s punk like Greenday is a rolls royce is a volvo is a U2 edition iPod which doesn’t record video straight from my tv…
ahhh…feel better now.
>OS X includes gcc. This means that a 64bit application for a G5 could work on x86_64 with a simple “make build”.
>BSD people know that. Take a look at NetBSD: 1 src tree more than 40 platforms.
>So you don’t need to “port” your applications…
Yes thats great. First we’ll assume that every Macintosh program used one development platform (which they didn’t). Then we’ll assume that one common development platform is gcc (which it isn’t). Then we’ll assume that every person who has written a program for the Macintosh in the past 10+ years will be compelled to a.) feed the source code into gcc with “makex86binary” flag on and redistribute it or b.) make their program open source so that others can recompile it.
Now back to the real world; who would develop for OSX86? Scenario A: Apple releases it right away (as this article suggests) and they release a relatively dead operating system (nothing works except maybe Apple programs) who wants to use that? And why would they compete with themselves (OSXPPC) Scenario B: They announce it, oh say a year in advance? That basically marks the death for OSXPPC since most people will jump ship to the least expensive hardware platform. A chain effect follows, people will stop buying PowerPC hardware and software in anticipation forcing developers to make the shift. But where do they shift to? OSX86 is a year away. I can tell you where I would shift to, and it would not be an yet-to-be-released operating system. There is unfortunatley no way that this would work out.
Dude, you should probably chill out a bit, maybe go outside and walk it off… I got your first part about Apple not being a vendor. Actually they are. They sell hardware and solutions (thats a vendor in my book). Did they actually solder every little piece in the computer? No, but which computer manufacturer does? Did they “design” alot of the components? I’m pretty sure they did, unless I’m mistaken. As for the rest of it… sanctity of marriage, rebooting our fingers to the bone, whoa… what?
>…it’s punk like Greenday is a rolls royce is a volvo is a U2 edition iPod which doesn’t record video straight from my tv…
Huh????
Seriously… think about decaf. You’ll live longer.
“All Gods are on our sides , All Country are on our side , we have more people , they are willing to work for free ( as in no cost at all ) , our projects never die , our software cant be bought , where working 25/8 400 days a year ( no mistake some of us pull one , two or three or more jobs at the same time ).
And Reinforcement is on the way .”
Okay… now really. Huh?
What??
What world do you live in?
Dude. The world isn’t black or white, win or lose, good or bad. Learn the variations, understand the economics of life and all the grays and complexities that it involves (and no, I don’t just mean the economics of the software industry), and understand humanity in general. Come back in 10 years (after your friends with yourself again) and laugh about your former idealism.
btw…
“..and I aint your friend , my friend are people I have known for more then 10 years.”
Be more open and friendly. It only takes a moment to make a new friend when you’re a nice and engaging person. Why would you shut out other people?
There is an old saying… the person who has most to fear of theft is the one most likely to be a thief.
To me, your little 10-year friendship thing above seems to me that you don’t wish to trust people to easily, because you yourself are not trustworthy, and know what bad things you would do if given trust.
Perhaps you’re not like that? From your other comments, I think that’s the exact opposite of what you are, but that’s not what your 10 year comment says. Maybe you should rethink your attitude then and understand other people, and their viewpoints, and learn to accept and trust them. You wouldn’t feel so upset about something as inane as an Operating System for your computer then!
Not if Apple keeps releasing crappy hardware updates…!
Last update (due today Wednesday) dual 2.7 ghz with 250gig max HD, and only 1 (one) optical drive, and outdated mediocre mobo that only supports pci-x slots. Are you friggin kidding me???
No matter how well Tiger performs it won’t make up for appalling hardware, and updates.
Where’s the 3Ghz by two years ago?
“Seriously… think about decaf. You’ll live longer. ”
I dont drink coffee at home or daily … thks for having my health at heart.
“What world do you live in? ”
Same as you … I just got a better accurate and wider picture of it then you do 😉
“Dude.”
I aint dude , you have me mistaken for somebody else.
” The world isn’t black or white”
I know you missed grey 😉
“win or lose”
I know you missed win – win and loose – loose 😉
“Learn the variations”
Everyday 😉
“understand the economics of life”
There are no economics to life , economics are a human based.
“and all the grays and complexities that it involves ”
Trying everyday.
“and understand humanity in general. ”
I understand humanity in general.
“Come back in 10 years (after your friends with yourself again) and laugh about your former idealism. ”
I can point and laugh at you right now , your so full of yourself that you think you can even begin to know me or what I am all about , I am laughing right now at people like you who wonder the world thinking nothing really mathers and that they cant be realy part of it. You cant control the world , but you can participate and influence it.
“Be more open and friendly.”
I am open , I am friendly , I just know the meaning of friend , and I know its uses , someone who have to say that they are your friend usualy arent …
” It only takes a moment to make a new friend when you’re a nice and engaging person.”
I disagree , friend are those people that are there for you in your time of needs. True friends are people who go above and beyond of there way to help you everyday.
“Why would you shut out other people? ”
I shut out other people ? no … Beeing in disagreement and opposing view is not shutting others out … Its called free thinking, and knowledge.
“There is an old saying… the person who has most to fear of theft is the one most likely to be a thief. ”
actual saying : dont believe in misquoted old saying from people you dont know on the internet.
” your little 10-year friendship thing above seems to me that you don’t wish to trust people to easily”
Nothing little about a friendship going on 10 years , I guess you dont and cant know that ;-), and trust as nothing to do with Friendship. Friendship take time to build.
“because you yourself are not trustworthy”
Trust is earned over time , friendship are built on time , calling everyone your friend is just an insult to your real friend if you have any 😉
“and know what bad things you would do if given trust.”
you obviously dont know me , at all 😉
“Perhaps you’re not like that?”
No perhaps …
“but that’s not what your 10 year comment says.”
Your choosing to missinterpret my words as no bearing what so ever on my life and my relationship with others.
“Maybe you should rethink your attitude then and understand other people,”
Or maybe not , and I do understand other people.
“and their viewpoints”
I prefer my global view , then some uninformed clueless bias
from some amateur , and I am sharing it with them 😉
“and learn to accept and trust them.”
I tolerate them , accept them , no , trust them no , they are part of and accomplices in the problem.
“You wouldn’t feel so upset about something as inane as an Operating System for your computer then!”
I aint upset , OS aint inane , otherwise why are you discussing it/them ? on a OS news/discussion website?
Oh no , thats right you where discussing your false perception of what a friend is and trying to make me agree with it …
Os are inane : close your computer and walk away , no computer work without an OS …
The only thing empty , insubstantial , laking significance , laking meaning and point is you. But you can choose to learn
to be part of society and not just try and judge them.
You’re hosed.
Recompile yourself. You obviously need a new kernel.
Free software… what? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…
If you only knew the power of the dark side…
I think most PC users will have a serious issue with Apple expecting $150 out of them ever 6 months for a .1 increase on the OS.
Apple cultists all do whatever Jobs says, but the kind of PC users who would install OSX for the first few years would not be willing to buy an upgrade every 6 months for the same price as their initial purchase.
And think about it: Mac OSX barely has any popular software, which computer users were the ones who’ll drop everything they already know, the software they’ve become familar with, and the large amounts of free tech support(friends/friends of a friend) for a fledgling OS that will always be 3rd in line, behind Mac Hardware and Mac OSX?
If they had put OSX on x86 years ago, around the time of Windows 95’s first appearance, and kept it there, then Apple would have had a chance at the PC market. Unless there’s a major change in PC architecture(beyond x86-64 – maybe pure 64 like Itanium), I personally don’t see OSX or ANY future Apple PC products reaching beyond the niche market status.
I really don’t think this is likely at all, but it is possible.
NeXTStep and therefore OS X support fat binaries. All future programs could be distributed with PPC and x86 binaries. I’m sure that most programs would work fine with a simple recompile in Xcode. Developers could recompile and make a downloable installer that would take the original media, install the files needed, and install an updated fat binary. A slight inconvenience yes, but not what everyone seems to be making it out to be.
To the person that said iTunes for Windows looks like iTunes on OS X, maybe apple has a port of Cocoa to windows. After all, there was a port of OPENSTEP to Windows NT.
“You’re hosed.”
No 😉
“Recompile yourself.”
No need …
“You obviously need a new kernel.”
Really , why ?
“Free software… what?”
It seems simple enough for me …
“If you only knew the power of the dark side… ”
There is no emotion; there is peace.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no passion; there is serenity.
There is no death; there is the Force.
I know exactly the power of the darkside. But do you know the power of free ?
If you read this thread the very least you can conclude is that Apple does invoke the passionate debate
.
Sleeping with the Tiger this weekend
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/Not worried about how fast the chip happens to run, more interested in how the system performs. Quite well, thank you very much
>The so-called high performance chips consume a lot of >electricity and generate too much heat
Both 90nm AMD64 and PPC970FX consume about the same amount of power (watts).
Reference.
PPC970FX
1. http://www-03.ibm.com/technology/power/newsletter/august2004/articl…
AMD64
2. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041115/pentium4_570-20.html
Why not the following:
Apple removes G5 and replaces by AMD-64-CPU in their hardware setup.
Apples still wouldn’t be able to run Windows
PC’s wouldn’t be able to run Mac OS X
There you have it.
Could be done (technicaly and marketing-wise)
Are you sure about this? I’m pretty sure I can change the refresh setting of my display.
Well, I can change it. My monitor can do 75Hz at 1600×1200, 100Hz at 1152×864 and 144Hz at 800×600… However, if I set the Modes to 1600×1200 (otherwise, X.org chooses the highest resolution), 75Hz is the maximum refresh rate I can select for all resolutions. I can select 60, 65… but not 100 in 1024×768/1152×864. Reproduced in Debian (with Xfree), Gentoo, Ubuntu, Fedora and Arch.
Is the refresh range correctly set in your xorg.conf file?
Sure. I entered the HorizSync and VertRefresh given by the manufacturer and the monitor (via EDID) and I even tried to omit them since the nv/nvidia driver can read the EDID information.
It’s nothing really important, but it’s the little things that say that Linux is ready for desktop, but not polished enough for everyone.
“You’re hosed.”
No 😉
Definitely
“Recompile yourself.”
No need …
What makes you think that?
“You obviously need a new kernel.”
Really , why ?
You don’t have the module to comprehend that. You need kernel 2.6.12.
“Free software… what?”
It seems simple enough for me …
If you say so.
“If you only knew the power of the dark side… ”
There is no emotion; there is peace.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no passion; there is serenity.
There is no death; there is the Force.
That’s knowing the light side…
I know exactly the power of the darkside. But do you know the power of free ?
Given that I use OpenBSD for servers and Mac OS X on desktops, I guess I do. But I am far from a FOSS Zealot. OpenSource is nice, but at some levels, you do need a company behind. Open source will never rule as long as we keep using money to do things. Don’t bother, you won’t get it.
As much as I may dislike Microsoft’s politics and software (some), it is because of Microsoft that a whole generation of people have had access to a computer. When Macintosh was insanely expensive, when Unix was only available in expensive servers, when OS/2 was a freakking IBM thing (killed by marketing) when linux was just a void main() function…
Microsoft introduced Win3.x, later 95, later 98… etc.
Yeah, those things were ugly, but it was all you granma had…
So the world can live without FOSS. It would not be that cool, but it’s possible. Remember, money can kill anything. You only need it.
“Definitely
”
Interesting …
“What makes you think that?”
Due to my job , I have to see a doctor and a shrink on a weekly basis.
“You don’t have the module to comprehend that. You need kernel 2.6.12. ”
2.6.11.7 is stable. I have the one you mention and many others another machine.
“If you say so. ”
I just did 😉
“That’s knowing the light side… ”
No , thats knowing and understanding the light side.
” Given that I use OpenBSD for servers and Mac OS X on desktops, I guess I do.”
No , to Understand the dark side you must have worked for and at Microsoft , some UNIX company , SCO or SUN or IBM in the 80’s. Apple and OpenBSD even do they dont meet my high standards are what I call grey side and are sometime ally.
“But I am far from a FOSS Zealot.”
Beeing a FOSS zealot is a good thing. For everyone.
“OpenSource is nice, but at some levels”
No , at every level.
“you do need a company behind.”
No …
” Open source will never rule as long as we keep using money to do things.”
Open source and money are two different things and one dont exclude the other. I will add that in Open Source a lot of money is/whas/will be mismanaged.
“Don’t bother, you won’t get it. ”
Actually I get the innacurate point your making , Its you who dont get reality.
“As much as I may dislike Microsoft’s politics and software (some), it is because of Microsoft that a whole generation of people have had access to a computer.”
No , but then again your not old enough to remember what the 70’s and 80’s where. Micrososft did participate , dont get me wrong on that.
“When Macintosh was insanely expensive”
Macintosh where never insanely expensive , they helped create something new , and back then there whas no ATI , no LG , no Nvidia , no Asus , no Quanta , no etc …
“when Unix was only available in expensive servers”
Server there whas no server back then 😉
“when OS/2 was a freakking IBM thing ”
OS/2 is still an IBM thing :
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/os/warp/
“(killed by marketing) ”
No , it whas killed by management.
“when linux was just a void main() function… ”
GNU/Linux came in 1991 , after Linux failure and change of license , Microsoft as been around since the 70’s , GNU/Linux whas not supposed to be in use anywhere by anone from any company according to some …
“Microsoft introduced Win3.x, later 95, later 98… etc”
I tought it started with Dos …
“Yeah, those things were ugly, but it was all you granma had…”
There whas no computers in the days of my Granma , there where no cars and no phone either and no tv , etc …
“So the world can live without FOSS.”
It whas FOSS who created everything … Its just a return to what should have never happened.
“It would not be that cool, but it’s possible.”
No , but then you dont know much about anything.
“Remember, money can kill anything. You only need it.”
Remember you being false and wrong and innacurate all along , that shows why all by itself.
You cant kill an idea who’s time as come.
>>”But I am far from a FOSS Zealot.”
>>Beeing a FOSS zealot is a good thing. For everyone.
Being a zealot is never a good thing, no matter what.
Crusades, anyone?
I rest my case.
Thurrott:
“5:50pm
This one’s bizarre, but we heard at lunch today that Apple is unhappy with the PowerPC production at IBM and will be switching to Intel-compatible chips this very year. Yeah, seriously.”
http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=46175&cpag…
On the surface it sounds like an amazing idea. There’s all this installed hardware, let’s make the software run on it. But as others have said, that flies in the face of Apple logic love. Like it or love it, in the Apple world the hardware and software are one. It’s why it (mostly) works. It’s what the elegance is all about.
It’s also why Apple will never be a majority player again.
But I’d rather have Apple be a minor player than for people with x86 machines getting their first impression of OSX as the beach ball spins, spins and spins as it tries to find its way through a maze of incompatible attached devices.
The driver nightmares alone would set Apple’s reputation back ten years. And we all know we don’t want to go back ten years with Apple!
“Being a zealot is never a good thing, no matter what.”
Being a zealot is always a good thing, they are the one making sure the world turn as it should.
Example of Zealot :
United nations
Oxfam
Red Cross
Peta
FSF
etc …
They go the distance protecting others with zeal, they put a check on bad behavior of others who are harming others.
“Crusades, anyone?”
Crusade are never a bad thing.
“I rest my case.”
And in doing so loose it …
2 : a zealous person; especially : a fanatical partisan
United Nations aren’t Zealots, they’re cool-headed leaders who recognized the need to convene to prevent another war. That’s not a Zealot.
Neither is the Red Cross. Having never heard of Oxfam, I can’t tell you where they stand.
PETA and FSF, however, are very much so Zealots. PETA encourages firebombing, terrorism and any means necessary to acheive their moral ideal, ignoring the lack of universal morals. FSF doesn’t quite go so far, but they are generally represented by trolls who make the world a worse place for everyone else.
The Crusades WERE a bad thing. They were a series of wars by groups of Zealots who felt the need to impress their views on others.
And I “loose” nothing, though I believe you might’ve lost the meaning of most of my arguement.
“United Nations aren’t Zealots”
United Nations are zealots , it take a zealot to go in the face of someone with a gun and say lets talk peace. You cant understand if you havent done it personnaly.
” they’re cool-headed leaders ”
No , thats what you see on TV , its as nothing to do with the real work of the United Nations, and those who do it.
“who recognized the need to convene to prevent another war. That’s not a Zealot.”
No the first role and goal of the UN whas to prevent all war at all cost , its as grown into something else.
” Neither is the Red Cross.”
Wrong again they help everyone regardless of there cause , it take a zealot to go help someone who his trying to murder people and what you believe in. Again you cant understand if you have never participated in such an event.
“Having never heard of Oxfam, I can’t tell you where they stand. ”
You cant tell me anything as you know nothing your anonymous , your ashame of who you are , find yourself and then comeback and come talk to me.
I doubt your really interested but here is a link :
http://www.oxfam.org/eng/about.htm
“PETA and FSF, however, are very much so Zealots.”
Yes and its a good thing.
“PETA encourages firebombing, terrorism and any means necessary to acheive their moral ideal”
No , but then again some extremist criminals are know to have been part of peta in the past , they do not speak for this group and are not speaking in there name.
“ignoring the lack of universal morals.”
there are no universal morals , otherwise somethin would strike you down as soon as you do something immorals …
“FSF doesn’t quite go so far, but they are generally represented by trolls who make the world a worse place for everyone else. ”
No , the FSF is not represented by trolls , and no one who associate with the FSF make this world a worse place to live in.
“The Crusades WERE a bad thing. ”
No , the Crusade where a good thing , but then again you dont know what the crusade where all about.
“They were a series of wars by groups of Zealots who felt the need to impress their views on others. ”
You just prooved my point …
“And I “loose” nothing”
Your posting as anonymous , you lost at minimum respect for yourself and who you are.
“though I believe you might’ve lost the meaning of most of my arguement.”
No , because your word are meaningless , proven wrong by millenia of studies and its not an argumentation as you provided nothing at all to back up your view.
– You dont know the meaning of troll.
– You dont know the meaning of Zealot.
– You dont know what respect for yourself is.
-= Moulinneuf
walk away I am not interested by anything you have to say , I know them as wrong and immorals , real people who have something to say put there name beside there writtings.
Ashamed of who I am? It’s the internet, I left an IP, which is exactly what you left. Anything else is completely fakable. I left no name because I felt no need.
It doesn’t take being a zealot to help people, it takes being a caring person. If you care about life, then you can do it. They’re not fanatical, thus denying themselves from being a Zealot.
As for PETA, they have hired atleast one known terrorist to go around to schools and talk to students about PETA. On multiple college visits, he has explained how to make a fire bomb. All under the employ of PETA. So yeah, I’d say he’s speaking for PETA.
“You cant tell me anything as you know nothing your anonymous , your ashame of who you are , find yourself and then comeback and come talk to me.”
That’s merely insulting someone because you can’t provide a valid arguement. You attack the fact that I was posting as Anonymous, when you yourself posting under a name are no less anonymous.
“there are no universal morals , otherwise somethin would strike you down as soon as you do something immorals …”
While you have a point that there are no universal morals(which would be what I said, by the way), the rest of your arguement doesn’t relate to the topic at hand.
“No , the Crusade where a good thing , but then again you dont know what the crusade where all about.”
The Crusades were a series of wars in which a whole lot of people died, because christians felt the need to go in there and take over another country. If you say that’s a good thing, you’ve obviously lost touch with reality.
“Your posting as anonymous , you lost at minimum respect for yourself and who you are.”
“walk away I am not interested by anything you have to say , I know them as wrong and immorals , real people who have something to say put there name beside there writtings.”
Again, you decide to attack a moot point rather than present any type of arguement. If I were going to do the same, I would attack your constant errors in spelling and grammar, and the general feel of an 8 year old attempting to sound sophisticated to claim the high ground in an arguement.
You, sir, have proven that you are unaware of facts, and that the opinions you present are unjustified and, knowing this, you choose to point out the fact that I’m posting as Anonymous instead of with an equally anonymous name, rather than back up any of your spurious arguements, and, fearing that I might return and point out what I have, attempt to tell me to walk away, and claim to be not interested in what I have to say.
Finaly decided to join the respectable who use a name or a nick 😉
“I left an IP, which is exactly what you left.”
Unlike you I leave my real life name and an adress that as been working for more then 10 years , I aint ashame at all of what I say.
“Anything else is completely fakable.”
well as anonymous yes , as a real identity its punishable by law.
“I left no name because I felt no need.”
Thats called no respect for your ancestry , who you are and of what you represent , when your somebody honorable.
“It doesn’t take being a zealot to help people”
I agree , everyone can , but it seems to me that the zealot are those do a large part of it , exactly because there zealot who know and understand the consequence.
“it takes being a caring person.”
When it become a danger situation those who care as you put it tend to not go and do ther ejob , happens all the time.
” They’re not fanatical, thus denying themselves from being a Zealot.”
NO , and thats your problem , you mix fanatical extremist with a fanatic , fanatic are someone who care about something deeply , what you mean to say is you can be caring a zealot and not be an extremist. Zealot are not dangerous , they tend to be really stuborn , but that because they know better and live in a world full of fanatics.
“they have hired atleast one known terrorist to go around to schools and talk to students about PETA.”
Terorist dont exist , you mean a criminal or ex-murderer , and I am sure he dont go around school for that purpose and if he does go there for recruting its the job of the school to stop him , because I am sure peta aint agreing with him, but even criminal and ex-murderer can be people of light.
” All under the employ of PETA. So yeah, I’d say he’s speaking for PETA.”
Report him to PETA , and the police and the school authority , you an accomplice and part of the problem if you see it happen and do nothing. I am sure when he does taht he is not speaking in the name of peta.
“That’s merely insulting someone because you can’t provide a valid arguement.”
NO , I have serached for a point and all you do is personnal insult and being in direct disagreement with me , you offer no proof to back up your claim and where doing so anonymously.
“You attack the fact that I was posting as Anonymous”
You posted no fact and yes where doing so anonymously , disrespecting me and even more yourself.
“when you yourself posting under a name are no less anonymous. ”
You really are a moron its my real name and a working e-mail adress , I am not a fucking coward like you ! ( done being nice )
“which would be what I said, by the way”
No you said there is a univesal morals , just scroll back , even you can do that …
” the rest of your arguement doesn’t relate to the topic at hand. ”
I give you too much respect and reply directly to you own nonsense. I agree this as gone way off topic.
“The Crusades were a series of wars in which a whole lot of people died”
Yes …
” because christians felt the need to go in there and take over another country.”
No …
” If you say that’s a good thing, you’ve obviously lost touch with reality. ”
War are never a good thing , but not doing them like in this case would have been even worst. You dont understand at all what the crusade where about.
“Again, you decide to attack a moot point rather than present any type of arguement.”
I have presented fact , point and argument , all you have to do is agree with them or be on your way and live in your false constructed world and bubble.
“I would attack your constant errors in spelling and grammar, and the general feel of an 8 year old attempting to sound sophisticated to claim the high ground in an arguement”
My grammar and spelling is perfect , and I speak like a man would to another man , if you cant understand you own language we can try mine or another one , I doubt you would be able to basicaly communicate with me in any other.
“You, sir, have proven that you are unaware of facts”
I and not you provided them , you are the one in absolute error.
“and that the opinions you present are unjustified and”
Unlike you , I dont present my opinions or fairy tales or fabricated reinvented history.
“you choose to point out the fact that I’m posting as Anonymous instead of with an equally anonymous name”
I post with my real name , with my 10 year old e-mail , with the support and respect of my entire ancestry. SOmething your too ashamed to do.
” rather than back up any of your spurious arguements”
I did as the expert I said : you know nothing of zealot , of history of the crusade of anything at all and whats worst are ashame of your parent , familly and ancestry. I dont have to provide more as your unable to discuss something you havent studied or learned or been taught.
“fearing that I might return and point out what I have,”
I do not fear the coward who hide in anonimosity. I do not fear anyone.
“attempt to tell me to walk away”
I am not attempting , I am telling you again , I won , you will never get me to goble your lies , this is going nowhere , now walk away and do something else.
“and claim to be not interested in what I have to say.”
I never spoke of my interest , i spoke of you having no new interesting fact to propose as so far you offered only shame and lies.
Being the grown up , and seeing as you whont let go , this is my final reply , in this thread to you coward !