Mozilla firefox 1.0.3 is out with some security fixes.
Firefox 1.0.3 Released
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Those “sluggish” links work identically for me (speedwise and otherwise) on firefox and MSIE.
Dissapointing compared to what Harald? Internet Explorer which has had known major vb’s for months…
It is outrageous that the Firefox guys didn’t make the perfect browser!
It is outrageous that they even attempt to improve their imperfect browser!!!
It is outrageous that they do not have every single feature everyone is looking for!!!
And of course it is even more outrageous they do it for free!!!
There is NO problem with Firefox loading these pages.
Either…
1) you are using winbloat with god knows what running on it to slow you’re entire computer down (probably)
2) you just want to complain with nothing to complain about
As far as all the other people complaining about Firefox updates…
1) Firefox 1x has been out for only a few months and things are getting fixed fast and correctly. MS has NEVER been this responsive EVER.
2) code or shut up
Now, stop complaining, spreading FUD and go learn something.
Or, turn your computer off because it’s not doing you or anyone any good.
Too bad Opera completely bombed the acid2 test. A step above IE6 though. The firefox image seemed to be the only one that was close. That shocked me since I believe that Konqueror had claimed full css 2.1 support.
I didn’t think Opera(8) looked too much worse than Firefox. Now IE6 was horrible. Haven’t had a chance to look at it in Konq yet. Remember this doesn’t just test css. It tests a whole bunch of stuff, and also throws in incorrect css statements to see if the browser ignores them or not.
http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/guide.html
Well scrolling is indeed more sluggish on example (B) but then it slows down opera and IE as well on my machine. But then I am on a Duron 750.
I was really basing my observation on the fact that it had the red background and the “Error” message.
Images are at the following link for anyone interested.
http://naylog.blogspot.com/2005/04/web-standards-acid2-test.html
How cute of you to ignore the root of the problem, the constantly discovered vulnerabilities in the Gecko rendering engine and its implementations. There would be no need for these patches if it had been written well.
Unfortunately, there is no such thing as bug free software. Even well will most likely have bugs, they just take longer time to find.
To get better security use more layers, write each layer to be unpentrable, and you will be safer, but never safe.
Well i wont switch my FF for any other browser in a near future.
I love the “tab” browsing.
“It did about the same as Firefox actually.”
Did you actually see the images from the link I put up? Opera did far worse than firefox. Opera 8 beta seems slightly better than 7. Still worse than Firefox.
I tetsted them both myself.
In FF, you do not see the eyes at all, you do in Opera.
Just because Opera happens to fail on the one part that results in the red bg, does not mean it did worse. It’s one piece. The eyes are one piece. There are other differences. They ARE about the same.
Did you actually see the images from the link I put up? Opera did far worse than firefox. Opera 8 beta seems slightly better than 7. Still worse than Firefox.
I’m a Firefox user, but I’d have to disagree. The Opera 8 picture looks pretty close to the FF 1.0 picture. The red background is a very visible problem, but it’s only 1 problem – ignore that and concentrate on the smiley face. Looking at the newer version of FF (presumably the same as Mozilla 1.7 would do) I think that looks best of all. But it doesn’t yet have the eyes (transparent PNGs).
That said, I am comparing the Opera Beta to the released version of FF, so it’s not really a fair comparison. When comparing it to the newer Gecko engine, it doesn’t seem as close.
But, of course, searching and installing all the goddamn extensions one by one does not require “mental energy” at all
Hah. I would certainly say that keeping up with extensions is much more work then Opera’s integrated features. But you don’t seem to be making the distinction between optional tasks and required tasks. Archatypal Grandma will be confused by clutter, while powerusers can parse clutter effectively. Opting in to a menu of features gives powerusers more choice and keeps confusion away from Grandma. Opera is gravitating in that direction, but without advanced features granted by extensions will never be a flexable, and never be as streamlined by default, as Firefox. Which is not to say that I do not appreciate the advantages of greater integration, or do not acknowledge the problems with the Mozilla extension system.
Andrew D:
How could that be possible if there is “interface clutter”?
I will certainly say that with the current betas, Opera is getting much better at addressing this problem. The menus look much cleaner, and much has been stuffed in Tools>Preferences>Avdanced. However, the ad bar, to my eyes, is a glaring problem. Without it, Firefox and Opera’s defualt widget count is equal. But with it, a row is taken up, and it is composed of widgets that are traditionally considered to be content.
Further, I am still bothered by Opera’s count of four drop down widgets, one of which is non-functional at startup, and the other lacking an arrow indicating it’s latent dropdown. Not to mention the weirdness that is the overlapping dropdowns present with the address bar.
“As I said, even with the text ad at the top – in the default Opera install – there is more browsing space available than in Firefox.”
I have a screenshot that says otherwise.
http://img108.echo.cx/img108/4648/foxvropera8vz.jpg
Further, is it possible with Opera, if you are a poweruser, to reduce the interface to one bar of widgets? (counting the menu bar, natch). It is with Firefox.
It’s trivial to change the interface in Opera. Just right-click and remove or reposition, or drag icons to where you want them. I browse with just an addressbar and page bar (no menubar or titlebar, even), and I could remove those easily if I so desired. No other browser comes anywhere near Opera in terms of customizability.
“”As I said, even with the text ad at the top – in the default Opera install – there is more browsing space available than in Firefox.”
I have a screenshot that says otherwise.
http://img108.echo.cx/img108/4648/foxvropera8vz.jpg“
If you looked at the entire browsable space instead of just the top you would see that there is more browsable space (look at the bottom and right of two pages) in the most recent versions of Opera over Firefox in the default installs.
Opera with Ads, default install. NOTHING changed.
http://members.optushome.com.au/~abdavidson/screens/opera_full_scre…
Firefox default install, NOTHING changed.
http://members.optushome.com.au/~abdavidson/screens/firefox_full_sc…
Look to the bottom of the pages. More viewable space in Opera. Even with text ad.
True, but if you get rid of the Bookmarks bar in FF the viewable size is identical. Then the only difference is that in Opera you have an ad bar, and in FF you have a status bar (which in my install has all sorts of interesting extension related stuff on it).
Of course if you buy Opera you would have even more space, but for me FF is the way to go.
Interesting!
Andrew D:
Firefox default install, NOTHING changed.
Err, no not exactly. You did alter Firefox: you opened a new tab.
See thus:
http://img233.echo.cx/img233/1632/foxop24hc.jpg
I know people who surf without tabs. Ah! But you say: “Tabs are an essential feature!” To which I would rejoin, “not more so then a status bar!” and then you would say …and so on and so forth until the end of time.
It appears to me that Opera is using a slightly tighter spacing between lines of text then Firefox, which I find interesting.
But regardless, thanks for pushing me to re-examine my untested assumptions. I am genuinely surprised that they tie in this regard.
emagius:
It’s trivial to change the interface in Opera.
I would say the same about Firefox, for most things.
Just right-click and remove or reposition, or drag icons to where you want them.
In trying to reduce widgets using that method I got as far as this:
http://img193.echo.cx/img193/7595/opreduce5jq.jpg
Which is comparable to the result using a very similar method with Firefox.
Can you share tips on how to proceed further? Is it also possible to selectively remove certain Menu entries but not others? And place buttons and fields next to the remaining menu items? These are things that I know about with Firefox, and that you seem to say are available with Opera. So I am curious.
“Err, no not exactly. You did alter Firefox: you opened a new tab.”
D’oh
Ok ok. So in the default installs, if you have 2 or more webpages open then Opera has more space than Firefox.
My point was not to say that one is better than the other in this regard, it was purely to get you – and others – to do as you said and “re-examine my untested assumptions”.
my post asking when you would support bg sound tag like Opera does was met with replies that were either ignorant or insincere. Nobody’s asking if you believe there should be background sound on webpages. In fact the embed tag from netscape came first if you think your personal preferences matter to anyone. The point is right now you have to write for two different browsers, and this is expressly because you people are too snotty and belligerent to add *one freakin line* to process a bg sound tag like it was a netscape tag. Any one of the programmers could end this hassle in two minutes instead of insisting on fighting the last decade’s browser war.
Object tag is an alternative for bgsound. I found that tag far superiour than bgsound because it can support more MIME including mp3. bgsound is not W3C standard while object tag is.
Example:
<object data=”music.mp3″ type=”audio/x-mpeg”></object>
http://webtips.dan.info/sounds.html
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/objects.html
http://www.petethomas.co.uk/multimedia-embedding.html
D’oh
Hey, I missed the status bar, you missed the tab bar. We’re only human.
“…to do as you said and “re-examine my untested assumptions”.”
I think we can all agree that it’s good when that happens. In that light, this exchange has just solidified my point about interface clutter, don’t you think?
Very good they launch a newer version with security updates.On gentoo it’s simple :”emerge mozilla-firefox” after which 1.0.2 is deinstalled (unmerged in gentoo speak) and 1.0.3 compiled (in my case with CFLAGS=”-march=k8 -pipe -O2 -fforce-addr”),and ten minutes later its usable.No hassle,don’t understand where’s all the fuzz about.
Mozilla 1.7 has been upgraded too (1.7.7), but Mozilla 1.8 still has open security vulnerabilities. Are they going to patch the 1.8 tree as well? I’m using it daily.
“I think we can all agree that it’s good when that happens. In that light, this exchange has just solidified my point about interface clutter, don’t you think?”
Nice try
So, your position is that Opera, with it’s defualt top widget area, that has more interface elements shoved into a line less of space then Firefox, is not more cluttered then Firefox?
I am confused as to how you can hold that position and be intellectually honest.
But how about some tweaks on the user interface also.
I use 56k so the block images button has now been moved to the tools menu bar making it inconvenient when you know of a website heavy on graphics.
Used to be a download extension . Can’t find it now.
the Mozilla suite 1.7.7 was released with the same security fixes
is anyone else getting tired of updating firefox? if feels like there was an update just the other day.
I feel the same way. I’m surpised it’s actually been 3.5+ weeks since 1.0.2. It hurts even more when your behind a firewall, which everyone should be.
Mozilla fixes the security and stability bugs as fast as they can, if it’s too fast for you you are not forced to upgrade (which is like 5 minutes of your time…).
The security fixes in this release were waaaaaay overdue.
So much for the timely patches promised by this group.
Very disappointing.
funny, other users said just the contrary two posts above. Between users who say patches are too frequent and those who say they come too late, I tend to think that some users really behave like spoiled kids asking for candy…
So when will someone please write an “auto-update” tool/extension for firefox, that will give us the “one click access” that MSIE has?
That’s one killer feature that FF could really use.
>So when will someone please write an “auto-update” >tool/extension for firefox, that will give us the “one click >access” that MSIE has?
>That’s one killer feature that FF could really use.
it’s been there since day one in the options, works fine.
heh at least there updating compared to IE
Between users who say patches are too frequent and those who say they come too late, I tend to think that some users really behave like spoiled kids asking for candy…
How cute of you to ignore the root of the problem, the constantly discovered vulnerabilities in the Gecko rendering engine and its implementations. There would be no need for these patches if it had been written well.
Not only that, but… Here’s how my upgrade to 1.01 and .02 went; Firefox alerts me that an update is available and I click download just to find out that it downloaded the entire Firefox 1.01(2) setup. It even took me longer to click through that retarded wizard than if I would have downloaded it by hand. Anyway, I download it and run it and it _seems_ to go OK. That is until I actually try to run Firefox. Something’s loading but nothing comes up. I click again, and again nothing. I clicked once more and then check Task Manager just to find out there are 4 instances of firefox.exe running and 4 instances of something called xpicleanup.exe. I stop all those and try again. Same thing happens. Finally out of desperation I uninstall Firefox and check its directory only to find out there’s still firefox.exe left. Hm. Select it and try Shift+Delete. Can’t delete it, Windows says it may be running or some service is using it. A quick look at Task Manager and a quick logout/login reveals that’s not the case. I try googling after how to remove a file if Windows says it can not do so. After some time I find a program called DrDelete which lets you select a file and it will delete it after the next reboot.
To sum everything up; it took me longer to successfully upgrade Firefox than if I would have downloaded Opera, installed it and configure it. Of course the fun doesn’t stop there. After reinstalling Firefox for some strange reason wouldn’t load my profile, so I had to move all files from my profile to /default. And did I mention that half of my extensions stopped working? Or that I had to redownload and reinstall Flash etc.?
If Opera wouldn’t be so god damn bloated I would have long ago switched this piece of shit browser. Not to mention that Firefox 1.0 never ever crashed or caused problems to me. 1.01 and 02 crash almost daily (02 not so often as 01) and seem to mess up when there’s embeded video on a page (if you close the tab/windows before the plugin is loaded Firefox will alert you that the plugin caused a problem and Firefox will start eating up 100+ MB RAM).
On a side note: What the hell is the problem with Firefox beeing so sluggish when you view a page with a static background? I present you exibit a, b and c:
a) http://www.pro-ymd.co.jp/zen/sample.css“ rel=”nofollow”>http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://brainstormsandraves.com/
c) http://twenty4.org/
So go back to internet explorer or develop your own browser
I just put it on 3 computers, and it ran fine in each. Of course I always uninstall and then install the new one.
I don’t even want to know what sort of viruses and adware Anonymous has going on.
You’ve obviously got a corrupted file(s) somewhere. Try deleting your profile, all plugins and extensions. Then install from scratch.
I’ve never had any problems upgrading, but I do wish they would add a silent or patch mode to their installer which wouldn’t require any user intervention.
I think the patch system is undergoing a major overhaul for 1.1, but maybe it was 1.5. The current one was just kind of slapped together, I think, because they thought the 1.0 version needed something.
My brother had Microsoft Anti-Spyware on his computer and it caused any browser derived of the gecko engine to run very sluggisly and somewhat buggy. Very strange, but a simple problem to fix–uninstall MS-Antispyware.
If you’ve installed a “installer build” over a “zip build” without uninstalling first, you’re going to have major problems.
It’s great to see the Mozilla team produce updates faster than before. Timely updates such as the one for Firefox that resolve security issues are what consumers need. Maybe Microsoft can learn something from this such as releasing security updates for IE and their OS in a timely manner instead of consumers waiting months for something.
Reason for pointing out the issue with Microsoft is that there are some people that tend to bash Firefox and Linux developers in general with out taking time to think before commenting. After reading the posts it seems a few of you are either against change or unwilling to do a little research and comparison prior to spreading FUD. Either way I’m happy to see a viable alternative not only for the Linux community but also Windows users.
seriously dude, aol still have dialup? you should try opera coz it will fly even on dialup. it even runs well on my cyrix p200+ running win95b.
“My brother had Microsoft Anti-Spyware on his computer … uninstall MS-Antispyware.”
I have a Linux machine at work in which I control my servers and my 100+ machines.
Remote administration is a great tool.
Thing is … I installed TightVNC to observe and control my w2k machines. In xp all I need is activate rdp. It’s actually a pleasure to work with the other platform now.
Anyways, I tested the micro$illy anti-spyware beta and it nabbed VNC as spyware.
I removed the beta and kept VNC.
“If Opera wouldn’t be so god damn bloated”
Bloated? It has more features built in, which you can ignore if you wish, with a standard interface that – even with a text ad up the top – provides more viewable area for your browsing, and is faster at rendering HTML and javascript and is a smaller download.
Yet its “so god damn bloated”?
why not have an auto update feature on firefox or at least one you can turn on if you want. So it will install any patches or updates for you.
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Aaron,
Firefox 1.0.3 already has this included in “tools/options/advanced”. I’ve not been so concerned about this feature since having Firefox updated is an easy process via YaST Online Update (similar to Windows Update) which is found in all Novell distributions (ie: SuSE Linux Professional, Novell Linux Desktop, etc). Though unlike Windows Update, Novell’s YaST Online Update allows updating of third party software. Anyway, the new update feature found in Firefox is available also on the Windows port.
Dark_Knight, I think the thing in Tools -> Options -> Advanced just checks for updates periodically, as opposed to actually installing them. You still have to notice the “update available” button and press it yourself to download and install the update.
Matt, word is that with 1.1, Moz’ll be able to send across smaller update files rather than full installers every time.
I have “Periodically check for updates” checked, and it doesn’t work. It didn’t work from 1.0PR to 1.0, 1.01, 1.02, and it wasn’t working today for 1.03. If it checks every week or something, screw it. I want them as soon as I open the browser again.
It’s great to see the Mozilla team produce updates faster than before. Timely updates such as the one for Firefox that resolve security issues are what consumers need. Maybe Microsoft can learn something from this such as releasing security updates for IE and their OS in a timely manner instead of consumers waiting months for something.
I would hardly call 7 security fixes in 3.5 weeks timely.
It’s supposed to check on startup and again every hour or so that Firefox is running. I’ve noticed it doesn’t seem to check right away during startup for me, though. Maybe it’s just waiting a few minutes.
I got opera. It’s good.
Too bad Opera completely bombed the acid2 test. A step above IE6 though. The firefox image seemed to be the only one that was close. That shocked me since I believe that Konqueror had claimed full css 2.1 support.
Safari is based on Konq, not Opera
I use FF because i’m used to it , lately gave a shot to Opera and I plan to buy it , I love the fact that is very fast (compared to IE and FF) . However, if you ask me, I will not return to IE soon . There’s no spyware on my win box since I stopped using it. What can I say , to each its own
If any of you that can please send them this suggestion, instead of sending the whole broswer,why dont you just send us the core updated files,which would save bandwith, time and reduce traffic on net, not many are lucky to have a broadband connection yeah.
thanks.
When will you guys stop being difficult and support the bg sound tag like Opera does
If any of you that can please send them this suggestion
They’re already aware of the problem. As I understand it, they had to go back to doing the full download for updates because of some incompatability problems with people who used zip builds rather then using the installer. They got rid of zip builds of releases for that reason. And they’d like to get back to just sending small patches, I believe.
Andrew D on Opera:
Bloated? It has more features built in, which you can ignore if you wish
Interface clutter requires mental energy to parse and ignore the parts you don’t need. Simplicity is a feature.
Bg sound tag? That is _not_ a part of HTML. I don’t care what Opera does, background sounds are intrusive and annoying. I would consider Firefox and any other browser not supporting it to have that as a feature, not a bug.
>So when will someone please write an “auto-update” tool/extension for firefox, that will give us the “one click access” that MSIE has?
You show me that button in IE, because I’ve never seen it – Firefox is far superior to that stinking pile of sh*t. When IE needs an update you first hear from some security site saying your whole system is at compromise, which let me add has been far more times than FF has put on us.
When will you guys stop being difficult and support the bg sound tag like Opera does
Not only the sound tag but i’d expect something as simple as the position:fixed CSS attribute to be supported, as “1337 0p3ns0urc3 browser” as firefox is.
Interface clutter requires mental energy to parse and ignore the parts you don’t need. Simplicity is a feature.
But, of course, searching and installing all the goddamn extensions one by one does not require “mental energy” at all, because it’s for the holy FIREFOX, and no one shall ever diss it for being plain and slow. If i’d want a plain browser on Windows, I’d instantly go for K-Meleon (same rendering engine, not even remotely as unresponsive as FF is) or Konqueror on Linux.
It seems like I’m seeing three threads here:
1) Firefox is making me update all the time
2) I thought Firefox was secure, why do I have to upgrade?
3) The Firefox upgrades don’t come fast enough.
It seems that no matter what the Mozilla folks do, someone is unhappy. I guess that’s life.
For those of you who are upset about the upgrades, at least the Mozilla folks aren’t forcing you to do it. Relax. And for those of you who are upset about security issues, get a grip. On a bad day, Firefox still outflies a “properly secured” IE. Why do you think admins at Penn State is telling users to chuck IE (see link):
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=55…
As for the last group, I suggest you follow the discussions over at Mozillazine:
http://www.mozillazine.org
and tell the people there. I’m sure they can come up with things for you to do to help the development process instead of just complaining. You don’t get something for nothing even with F/LOSS.
Well Put, thebin,,
People around here complain, complain, complain. It’s like a bunch of little babies. So your post was well needed and right on target. Thanks….just what I was thinking while reading down the list, since I missed all of yesterday at work.
“Interface clutter requires mental energy to parse and ignore the parts you don’t need. Simplicity is a feature.”
*shake head* Have you actually looked at the default installs of the latest Opera alongside the latest Firefox?
As I said, even with the text ad at the top – in the default Opera install – there is more browsing space available than in Firefox.
How could that be possible if there is “interface clutter”?
This seems to be another case of someone not actually knowing the facts and arguing on either historical ‘knowledge’ or fingers-in-the-ears bias.
“Safari is based on Konq, not Opera ”
I didn’t say opera was based on Konqeuror.
What I said was that I was shocked that Firefox did better that Konqueror in the acid2 test, as Konqueror claimed full css 2.1 support.
In fact, firefox performed best out if all browsers in that test, though not perfect yet.
Updates = Good
Why is everyone complaining about making thanks better?
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That is like complaining the fire trucks are too loud.
thanks = things
opps sorry..
“A”
the real news will be the 1.1 release. I would have expected it by now, and I guess that’s why I’m disappointed on the one hand, but happy things are moving security-wise.
<quote>How cute of you to ignore the root of the problem, the constantly discovered vulnerabilities in the Gecko rendering engine and its implementations. There would be no need for these patches if it had been written well.</quote>
Have you ever tried writing software? There is no one time software that can be written only once and never find implementation conflict or design incompatibility. I am not saying bugs here because bugs exists everywhere. What I mean is that their Gecko engine was designed, for example, for 5 years, so original features and security checks were all designed for these 5 years and supposed to be a bit longer. But since there is not only FF in the world, internet is getting common, computers are getting faster to decrypt passwords and OSes are getting insecure these days, so they are all affecting the original design of FF. There is nothing perfect in the world. Now FF team releases a patch, you should be happy because at least they are so active to work on something useful for all of us to use it for FREE!!! Please appreciate this kind of work even you don’t use it.
I like to listen to music of my choice when browsing the web, not that of some web designer who thinks it’d be cool to put music on their site. I do hope that if Firefox ever decide to support it, they make it easily disabled because it would be annoying.
On a side note: What the hell is the problem with Firefox beeing so sluggish when you view a page with a static background? I present you exibit a, b and c:
a) http://www.pro-ymd.co.jp/zen/s.” rel=”nofollow”>http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://brainstormsandraves.com/
c)