“It’s our biggest leap forward since the original Macintosh in 1984,” Apple Chief Executive Steven Jobs said of the release of OS 10.4 Tiger. Certainly, Tiger is proof that Apple isn’t ignoring its traditional business. Many of its features are the kinds of behind-the-scenes capabilities that are unlikely to attract much attention but are nonetheless important.
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Many of its features are the kinds of behind-the-scenes capabilities that are unlikely to attract much attention but are nonetheless important.
I’m guessing this is a reference to the Core-whatever stuff, as opposed to improvements in the interface and apps? I’d agree that some improvements won’t, by themselves, be noticed by users. However, if it makes it easier to develop good apps, and therefore attracts developers and gives developers more possibilities, it will have an impact. Hopefully we’ll see a new slew of great apps.
A lot of apps got a face lift and new features in Tiger as well, so it is not all under the hood stuff.
Core-features along make me want to upgrade.
I’ve been putting off the purchase of a new PowerBook while awaiting Tiger. I’ll order once Tiger is pre-installed. I think there is a fair bit of pent up demand, not just for Tiger but for the tired hardware needing updates. (new Power Macs anyone?)
Almost everything seems available to other operating systems today.
I’ve been impressed that previous OSX updates have sometimes improved performance on my older or less than stellar Macs. Jaguar and Panther both seemed that way. Anyone here running a pre-release that can tell me how well it runs on say Mini level hardware? I have a 1.25 eMac which is about the same specs. I’m not sure if I’ll upgrade to Tiger or just wait and get a G5.
examples ?
Anyone have any detailed info or links about the “behind-the-scenes capabilities”?
I was at an Apple store the other day and eyeing a nice new Macintosh laptop. I am mostly a Fedora Core linux user. I was playing around with the desktop and it struck me as odd how older versions of the mac os were more intuitive than the new version. I remember how easy it was to find my files in mac os 9. It took me a while to figure how to do all this stuff in osx. OSX sure looks great though — so much eye candy and bouncy things! Weee! 😉
If I needed better multimedia integration and iTunes I would probably buy an Apple but I like getting my OS free so I will stick with Fedora Core 4.
wierd that you say that, i found that the old Os 9 and below were horrible at file management, files were all over the place.
Os X has great standards for where files go, ie, prefs, cache, etc. And developers use these standards. So you can find stuff easily. Anytime i had to fix an Os 9 machine at work years ago, it was a joke finding where stuff was.
Ps, you say if you had more money you’d get a mac, then you go on to talk about its intuitiveness. bad argument
I found it a bit difficult (for a few days) when I made the switch.
Its not that OS X is not intuative, it’s that you are used to MacOs 9
As for price…lets not get into that. When I was shopping around for a laptops, I found way more expensive x86 machines than my powerbook (and they were bricks too!) when comparing comprable machines ofcourse
Go to their site and look at the full list of features. There are a lot of very incremental type features. Things like adding JPEG2000 support are probably considered under the hood; so would be adding OpenGL 1.5 support.
i too would be interested how tiger will run on say a mac mini in comparison to panther. it would be nice if there was even a slight improvement. its like a free hardware upgrade, but not really
http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeatures.html
Here is some benchmarks. They show tons of computers so your computer should fit into the range. Tiger improves on every aspect. Lets see Windows do that 3 versions in a row.
Also, check out the user interface section, big improvements.
http://www.mactouch.com/IMG/gif/Tiger_Benchs_MacTouch.gif
Take a look here and you can find a wealth of info on every aspect of the developer scene for OS X.
http://www.apple.com/ca/macosx/developertools/
Most notably:
http://www.apple.com/ca/macosx/features/coreimage/
and…
http://www.apple.com/ca/macosx/features/coreaudio/
For those yearning to see Tiger performance. http://www.mactouch.com/systeme/dossier_tiger_article78.html#sommai…
It’s a chart of XBench scores. Keep in mind that it is a synthetic benchmark and the usual caveats apply.
Nevertheless, the results are still *amazing*. A G4 gets an average 30+% increase by moving to Tiger!
//They show tons of computers so your computer should fit into the range.//
Yah, all except for the Mac Mini … which is the system we’re all asking about. Feh.
“It’s our biggest leap forward since the original Macintosh in 1984,” Apple Chief Executive Steven Jobs said of the release of OS 10.4 Tiger.”
I really don’t think that an integrated search, and a collection of ‘one click widgets’ qualify as a “great leap forward”.
(He is starting to sound like Gates…)
Ease of development is a great thing, but will it make a big difference to users if the slew of great apps take months (or years) to materialize?
Tiger may be an improvement, but I don’t think it will be a turning point in the history of computing…
Yah, all except for the Mac Mini … which is the system we’re all asking about. Feh.
Use your head. Find the closest to your hardware (probably an iBook G4 1.2) and ballpark it. Reading a bar graph that shows a % improvement across the board isn’t rocket science.
The question was: will it run on a mini? If it is an improvement (which this benchmark seems to indicate), then if the damn mini runs 10.3, it’ll run 10.4 with smiles.
“Yah, all except for the Mac Mini … which is the system we’re all asking about. Feh.”
well, uh, just match up your cpu. the 1.25 alu powerbook, should be around the same spec, seeing that the mini is basically all laptop parts.
Perhaps they don’t have access to a mini? They can’t benchmark _all_ Macs.
Of course it’s marketspeak. Jobs is above all The Ubermarketeer. What else did you expect him to say?
“It’s a refinement of 10.3 with some small improvements here and there.”
Yeah, that will sell well.
Neither is benchmarking an actual Mini … which have been available for about 90 days.
But I suppose I should expect generalisations from Apple fanbois.>>
And they’re not benching any of my computers:
PowerBook g3 500
iBook g3 600
iMac g3 350
PowerMac 867 Dual
So I guess the proper solution is to piss and moan instead of figuring out the closest solutions and ballparking it from there, eh?
One think I have come to find out is that with each release of OS X, things get much more optimized. Mac OS X 10.1 was sooooo slow. Mac OS X 10.2 was faster, but Mac 10.3 was EXTREMELY faster than any other release… On the same hardware (which is 800Mhz with 780MB of RAM)!
I know that Mac OS X 10.4 will be worth the upgrade for the improved performance and features.
Hate it when Apple does this.
Sure MS will copy from Tiger. I wonder where Apple got the ‘inspiration’ for their desktop widgets? Konfabulator anyone?
no.. they got it from their desktop tools idea that THEY created back in the olden days.
Konfabulator did a bad job of ripping it off as well.
And they’re not benching any of my computers:
They’re not benching any of mine (800 iBook G4 or 450 PM G4), either, but there are similar enough machines to give me reason to think that they’ll both perform better. As was the case with Jaguar, G4/G5 machines will get the most benefit, because even more things will be altivec-optimized.
the jump to tiger includes a new kernel, new BSD layer.. new Quatrz layer.. new Multimedia layer, new compiler, and new APIs.
on top of that, they provide new system services that reformulate how users store and access data on their computer.
seems like a big upgrade to me… but if you are complaining that they are throwing in some low priority stuff like JPEG2k, well.. would you rather they wait for 10.4.1? then the only enhancements will be major ones worthy of being part of 10.4.0 … according to you at least.
I’ve been waiting to upgrade to Tiger, since the first rumor of it appeared.
Should be a nice step up from 10.2.8 me thinks.
One fun thing to speculate about is how Tiger might impact Longhorn’s schedule…or at least how it impact’s the perception of Longhorn.
After all, Windows fanboys always say “oh, that’s in Longhorn.” But LH keeps slipping further and further out. The more features Apple ships now, the more perceived pressure there is on LH.
If anything, it goes to show that Mac OS X has an architecture that can handle rapid development. The underlying stuff is still NeXT-based, which is way older than NT…and yet they can not only crank out OSs faster than MS (with substantially less budget), but they can crank out solid OS releases consistently without major issues.
Plus, the OS gets faster with every release. When’s the last time that happened on any other platform?
Camper, I’m sort of new to the Mac scene so I never had a chance to use 10.2. Was there a reason many didn’t update to 10.3? I’ve noticed there’s still a sizable number using 10.2.
That’s true.
10.1 was almost unusable…on a Ti 550 Powerbook…
But now on an Emac 1 ghz with 768 MB Ram it is very responsive.
With some little apps like Quicksilver I definitively prefer to work with it then with XP at work.
Just can’t wait for my new powerbook next week..
I think it (people still using 10.2) is due to money, and the fact that 10.2.8 is pretty stable and usable as is. I did upgrade, eventually, mostly because of the Exposé features I guess.
For Tiger, the “Parental controls” will be the selling argument for me. They alone would suffice. Has any other OS got such things nicely integrated?
like?
My wife won’t let me upgrade her IMac from 10.2.
It’s stable and that’s her biggest concern.
I’d like to put her on 10.3.8 and bump up her memory from 256 to 768, but, she think’s the computer is “Thinking” when it slightly pauses when she switches to other apps. So, it works for her.
You wrote:
If anything, it goes to show that Mac OS X has an architecture that can handle rapid development. The underlying stuff is still NeXT-based, which is way older than NT…and yet they can not only crank out OSs faster than MS (with substantially less budget), but they can crank out solid OS releases consistently without major issues.
Plus, the OS gets faster with every release. When’s the last time that happened on any other platform?
The underlying stuff is still NeXT-based, which has been developed for over 16 years that continually refines, expands and has been tested so heavily that this allows many of OS X’s features to be rapidly developed which is then passed onto Apple’s developers.
Uncle Jobs or Steve Jobs as people know, is not telling anybody how to use a mac but is demoing what one can do on a mac, unlike many CEO’s who think it would be below them to do the demo themselves and have a member of the staff do it for them. He give the demos a personal touch, besides he is also the person who tests out beta (alpha) softwares for Apple. We buy stuff that suits our need, if MS Office does I would buy and I have. We are customers lets be mature enough not to have personal biases creep in. There is no Uncle Jobs, Steve is just showing what Apple’s got and what you can do with it.
You gotta love it when a company’s products just keep getting better.
bravo
And once again, the enormous gap between feature parity and maturity is glossed over. Boy do a lot of people like doing that.
Spotlight: A lot like Beagle, to be sure. However Spotlight has a modular search infrastructure that will be supported by all your favorite proprietary applications. Spotlight supports natural language queries, can query all data in resource forks, and is mature and stable today, unlike Beagle which is still in the early alphas.
Windows has no counterpart to Spotlight. It will come with WinFS, whenever that is. 2007? 2009? Who knows…
Spotlight and Beagle are both extended rip-offs of BeOS LiveQueries. The difference is Spotlight was designed by LiveQuery inventor Dominique Giampaolo from Be, whereas Beagle is just yet another blatent OSS rip-off with no real innovation.
Dashboard: Hey, it looks a lot like Konfabulator. But hey, Konfabulator looks a lot Mac OS Desk Accessories.
CoreGraphics: The only counterparts of this are Qt’s Arthur and XAML/Avalon in Longhorn. Maybe in the future someone will make a hardware accelerated XUL renderer, but it’s doubtful that would be powerful and extensible enough to pull off the awesome visual hackery of the angled talking heads in the next gen iChat AV.
Automator: Powerful Unix-like scripting for the GUI world. Now what rivals this exactly?
H.264: A open and standardized MPEG-4 AVC codec, offering pretty much the highest quality video compression out there.
Scanned the list of the 200+ new enhancements…not one stood out as a reason to upgrade from 10.3. On the other hand it seems kinda crappy that i have to buy a new version of OS-X in order to get updated iCal,Chat and other software….Wasn’t Microsoft prosecuted on this same type of thing(software bundling) not long ago? I think iwill hold off for a while before i consider upgrading.
Apple keeps stating how easy the mac is to use, but they made the mistake of not making the mac easy to develop … where’s basic? RealBasic doesnt count, as it’s a pos, but still.. it’s better then nothing, I suppose …
ten years behind? then why are tiger’s flag features already implemented in linux applications (ex. beagle, gDesklets)? then why are GNOME and KDE way more configurable than aqua could ever hope to be?
yes, apple has built a great OS, but it is not as revolutionary as they say it is.
Just why would you say RealBasic is a “POS”? I’ll grant you, it’s no xCode or Codewarrior, but at the end of the day, as an OO-based basic IDE and compiler, it’s pretty damn good, especially when you can compile to Linux and Windows as well…
BTW, completely off topic, but… has anyone else get a new Dell Catalog? Check out page 5 with the laptop “expose” they have going on… the picture of the guy using his Apple powerbook in the airplane I think is a nice touch in a Dell catalog. Also, because of it’s location (it looks like it’s coming out of the Dell screen like a thought bubble), the designer gives the impression of the Dell laptop “dreaming of being a Powerbook”, albeit a older one perhaps.
The joys of stock imagery and no one paying attention at Dell marketing.
> So what’s really new ?
> nothing much.
> The same old Apple hype ahead of a new release – YAWN.
Yeah I agree I’m getting sick of all the hype around OS X, we all know it’s the best desktop UNIX based OS out there, we all know the hardware just works, we all know we can expect it to be faster than the last release.
Yawn – thanks Apple…
BRING ON TIGER!
Beagle is in deed years ahead of Spotlight… Wait, where did it go again?! Oh, it crashed! Let’s see, my Tiger beta has been running with Spotlight for 120h non stop and it appears fine…
gDesklets is also way ahead of… Wait, I meant SuperKaram… Eerrhh, I mean Konfabula… Oops, I mean Mac OS… Hey!
On a serious note, please do not compare between alpha/beta software and stable releases. It’s like comparing between Apples and Oranges (pun intended).
>Your computers are worthless poo … who would go out and buy a iDoorstop g3 to use with Tiger? I’m talking about benchmarking the latest OS on a *new model currently on shelves* … I guess that IS too much to ask.
Is it too much to ask for you (a troll) to wait for OS X 10.4 to be released before you expect benchmarks for it? Oh wait can you give me benchmarks for Longhorn running on a Pentium 4 yum-cha box? Or what about Linux-3.0.1 on the same box?
Damn you trolls are boring!
“So what’s really new ?
nothing much.”
You’re so right. Spotlight, Dashboard, Automator, QuickTime 7, Core Image, Core Audio, VoiceOver and iChat 3 with 3-way video and 10-way audio conferencing are such tired old hat.
“The same old Apple hype ahead of a new release – YAWN.”
The same old trolling ahead of a new Apple release – YAWN.
> where’s basic…
10 PRINT “LFMAO”
20 GOTO 10
That has to be the best comment here, well done!
Avid XP user, want to get a PHAT Mac system…I really hope they launch the multicore bad boy soon with a serious upgrade in graphics cards cause the ATI R520 is coming out soon along with the R600 next year. Apple just seems so damn behind in hardware especially grphx cards. DO you guys think Apple will get an SLI setup?! THat would rock!!! More graphics power is always good. Tiger looks very impressive and if you guys are wondering if I am gonna switch…hell no. I just like having different computers and different OSes. I am just in need of a change in scenery is all.
>>”Once again, OS X proves there is no reason to care about Linux whatsoever. Linux is ten years behind.”
>Another of the clueless speaks. You know nothing of Linux if you think that. You should stick to OSes that offer maximum handholding.
The fact that you responded like that means you really have no idea about OS X, while it’s an unfair comment to make about Linux – seriously where is the commercial application support for Linux? OS X is the desktop UNIX OS at the moment, Linux is no where closer to being a real contender than it was years ago. No commercial apps, no standard package management, compatibility issues between distros, damn compatibility issues between upgraded versions of the same distro. I’m sure there will be compatibility issues between some apps on Panther and Tiger but these will be fixed a hell of a lot quicker than you would see it happen in Linux. All this Apple forces you to upgrade stuff kind of goes out the window when you consider certain apps can’t be compiled on Linux without certain upgraded libs, which can’t be compiled without a new version of glibc which kind of says YOU UPGRADE NOW OR YOU DON’T USE THIS OPEN SOURCE APP.
MacOs X is a corporate product. It is really tightly integrated and controled so that performance is guaranteed and it is produced by a company that has all to loose on the computer market if it gets it wrong and very deep pockets at the moment. So they won’t get it wrong.
Leave linux distros alone. It’s what gives a cheap PC the potential to be a great machine for whoever cares. I do.
So I will get Tiger for my ageing powerbook and keep hunting for the perfect linux distro (I think ubuntu or libranet are good candidates), since it’s the only decent widely available PC OS out there.
But please, go on, keep fighting it out, I’ll get both personally.
“””Sure MS will copy from Tiger. I wonder where Apple got the ‘inspiration’ for their desktop widgets? Konfabulator anyone?”””
Well, as has been stated in OSNews before, where did Konfabulator get their ideas? ObjectDesktop anyone? The same eye candy and tools have been around forever.
“””Your computers are worthless poo … who would go out and buy a iDoorstop g3 to use with Tiger? I’m talking about benchmarking the latest OS on a *new model currently on shelves* … I guess that IS too much to ask.””” (In reference to someone with G3’s)
Nice. Shows the maturity level of many, not all, posters in OSNews these days.
“””//Reading a bar graph that shows a % improvement across the board isn’t rocket science.//
Neither is benchmarking an actual Mini … which have been available for about 90 days.
But I suppose I should expect generalisations from Apple fanbois.”””
“””Of course it’s marketspeak. Jobs is above all The Ubermarketeer. What else did you expect him to say?”””
Whatever. There is a large list of improvements. Benchmarks have been posted showing speed improvements. The Apple site itself has a rundown of new and improved applications… The latest iLife and iWork suites…
It is obvious you people who naysay “just don’t like Apple” so you take every opportunity, whether it makes sense or not, to bash Apple and its products.
You are no better than the Windows-haters or the Linux-haters. Someone could smack you in the head with a 20 pound sledge hammer and you’d say “that didn’t hurt” as your brains spill out onto the ground.
Yeah, this will probably get dumped by Eugenia… and maybe I am just overreacting because I have a headache to start with, but criminy, you people whine, complain and post the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever seen?!? My 4 year old sounds more mature… and he is downstairs whining because he wants another drink before dinner…
Stop being such a whiner. Use what little chunk of grey matter you have and think about what you are saying. They benchmark something with the same CPU, Bus speed, etc. but that doesn’t matter at all? The only way you are remotely correct is that the mini has the least amount of VRAM (I think the powerbooks come with 64 by default, no?)
“The fact that you responded like that means you really have no idea about OS X, while it’s an unfair comment to make about Linux”
Um, excuse me. The guy said Linux was 10 years behind. That’s bullshit. As for your other arguments, I would offer that there will be trade offs for whatever OS you pick. Yes, cost is one of those. I realize for some of you money is no object.
Linux doesn’t work for you? Sorry. For a lot of us though, it’s just fine. We get by without commericial support, find the apps we need, make the adjustments we have to, save a lot of money, etc. No, probably most open source apps don’t match up with top end several hundred dollar apps, but they’re good enough.
The package management issue is an old argument. Debian, Ubuntu, Mepis even Linspire. No problem. Other distros users will tell you the same.
Ten years behind OS X? No. Not quite as refined? So what?
As my qualifier, I will say I have a G3 Imac with OS X 10.3.8. I like it a lot. I think OS X is great, but there’s no call to be ripping on Linux just because you’re happy that Tiger’s coming out.
you people whine, complain and post the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever seen?!?
So true. Constructive comments for or against any OS I like, especially if it’s something I haven’t thought about before. What I can’t stand/don’t understand is:
A) People lying about OS’s. This site is visited by hundreds of experts daily. Who are you trying to kid?
B) People lying about OS’s. Why?
C) People lying about OS’s. Really, why?
I don’t agree that Tiger is as significant as 1984, but it certainly has the potential to be powerful. At the moment, it’s just another OS upgrade. In 6 months time apps will have been updated, new apps will be created leveraging Tiger technology and widgets will be everywhere…then you’re looking at a a seriously capable system.
Matt
I dont see what the big deal is with spotlight anyway. Heck I know where I put my files at anyway I doubt I would ever need anything like spotlight. now I do agree there are idiots that dont know where they put their files so it would be a big deal to them.
“Tiger may be an improvement, but I don’t think it will be a turning point in the history of computing…”
Yeah, you’re right about that. The turning point came with Panther.
“Sure MS will copy from Tiger. I wonder where Apple got the ‘inspiration’ for their desktop widgets? Konfabulator anyone? ”
Better check up on your OS history, Bucko!
i think extra benefit of spotlight is that it indexes the contents, not just the location. that way if you know you have a file (or list of files)with a key word, you can search for that; and not open each and every doc.
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that is not my point. I am fully aware that the OSX desktop has developed those features far better than any other one has. my point was that linux is hardly “ten year before” OSX.
I dont see what the big deal is with spotlight anyway. Heck I know where I put my files at anyway I doubt I would ever need anything like spotlight. now I do agree there are idiots that dont know where they put their files so it would be a big deal to them
This isn’t always the case. I have a <u>very</u> specific filing system for my ‘real work’ however most of the reports are upwards of 25 pages long. If I think back now to January and say “I wonder which report had that one-line quote about XXX when compared to YYY”. I’m never going to remember the document name, let alone where it is.
With spotlight I just type in XXX YYY and within seconds the exact document I’m looking for is in-front of me.
Matt
mmm, this misconception here is that spotlight is for finding files you’ve misplaced.. which it isn’t its for queries..
you can say “i keep my files well organized”, but no one is saying otherwise..
for example, do you keep your files so well organized that all your CYMK images from the previous week are in one folder?
or maybe you organize your drive so well that you keep a files sent to you from one person in regards to a certain project in one folder with their contact information..
if you organized everything like this you would be stuck spending all day updating your organized files not to mention the hundreds of duplicates you have..
spotlight allows you to save a smart folder (like the smart playlists in itunes) which when opened automagically update their “contents” (obviously the files aren’t physically moved into the folder).. it will be a very huge addition to work flow.
thinking its just for finding files is silly.
Grammar cop said it better than I can. Apple hasn’t talked about smart folders nearly enough, they are the BEST thing in Tiger in my opinion.
right.. I think a more elegant way to put it is that spotlight is a way to organize and find CONTENT.. not files.
“I dont see what the big deal is with spotlight anyway. Heck I know where I put my files at anyway I doubt I would ever need anything like spotlight. now I do agree there are idiots that dont know where they put their files so it would be a big deal to them.”
Actually if you understood what Spotlight is then you would know its not about finding files. You can already do that in MacOSX, its about finding and indexing content of files and metadata almost along the lines of digital asset management.
If macs were really that good. They would be the ones with
a 90% or so desktop maket share instead of Microsoft Windows.
Okay, so Spotlight is a little bit of improvement over BeOS (circa 1998) in it’s ability to index and use metadata…
Whoopie…
But it will be nice for the few percent of people who need it.
It’s just not “1984” material.
(1984 material would be the iTunes DRM…)
it really is that good. and there are lots of nice things about not being the dominant player (as far as users go). spyware, adware, virii, etc, last time i checked, being the best did not automagically mean you had marketshare and succeeded–from what i have heard, VHS vs BetaMax(sp?). BetaMax by far the better format, but for some reason couldn’t get marketshare.
[i]”If macs were really that good. They would be the ones with
a 90% or so desktop maket share instead of Microsoft Windows.”</i?
They would if:
(1) The Apple board hadn’t fired Steve Jobs
(2) Apple hadn’t cut a deal with Microsoft that underminded their bussiness
(3) companies(DELL,HP,etc.) would give up the money they get from Microsoft to distribute PC’s only with Windows
(4) People woud be smarter and realize 100% dependance on Microsoft is a BAD thing
(5) People in IT/MIS would stop spreading FUD about Mac OS X/Linux when they don’t know anything about either because they’d lose their jobs to only knowing Windows
(6) People would actually try alternative Operating systems with an open mind (every OS does the same thing different ways so every OS will feel “weird”)
(7) People would wake up and realize that Mac OS X & Linux are virtually the only OS’s going anywhere
“If macs were really that good. They would be the ones with
a 90% or so desktop maket share instead of Microsoft Windows. ”
Actually a majority of people prefer cheap and accessible hence WalMart, Ford, Dodge and Chevy not that these are bad either.
And majority dooesn’t make you better. Roaches outnumber humans a million to one and probably more but that doesn’t make them better in my opinion.
I think Tiger makes those Longing for a Longhorn sick because we will get some some of those features in a few days and Longworn is still Longdrawn, and by the time Windows users prepare for that Longhorn there will be 10.5 ready to tear into that Cow.
YMAN…NICE!
“Okay, so Spotlight is a little bit of improvement over BeOS (circa 1998) in it’s ability to index and use metadata…
Whoopie…
But it will be nice for the few percent of people who need it.
It’s just not “1984” material.
(1984 material would be the iTunes DRM…)”
Actually its a big improvement given that the original BeOS is DOA and as far as signifiicant just look at Beagle and WinFS.
It is a big deal you just would rather not admit it. I am sure when WinFS comes out people will make it to be a quantum revolution in computing unparalled in the history of mankind foreshadowing all technological improvements from the last 10,000 years including the wheel and splitting the atom. At least that will be thhe MS funboy spin.
Oh give me a break the only thing worthwhile is spotlight and lets see yahoo desktop, msn desktop, google desktop what other one is there for xp that do the same damn thing…. its annoying to see apple blow a simple feature up…. wow konfabulator built in basically… hmmm last i saw there was a port starting of konfabulator for windows…. Lets not go down the road of “ms forces companys to use windows” no they dont HP can drop windows go for it.. they’ll bomb what you think they should switch to ? LINDOWS LOLOL, and no im not a fanboy of MS infact my office has 5 linux boxes and 5-6 windows 2k3 servers and a dozen xp laptops… and i still perfer windows as a desktop os …. AND YES i’ve used mac osx tiger…. WOW it was great… but still wasnt impressed and im back on xp
Maybe if applewould have got off there asses and standardized the 2 button mouse a dozen years ago instead of that annoying 1 button mouse it would have gotten more notice 
JUST KIDDING im being sarcastic so dont flame me i know the normal mouses work uggg.
All os’s have there issues and MAC OSX DEFINITLY has its own i have even had mac people sit down and list them off…..
You know when i lost my interest in apple! When those idiots started saying in public how microsoft was copying… with spotlight and some other stuff… when it was blatantly proved that Microsoft had been developing it years ago far before mac even thought of it … you dont see microsoft in public making assinine acusations.
LOL why did i even read the stupid new features page i just glanced and the first thing made me smack my head and close the page….
Burnable Folders
Burn a CD or data DVD directly from the Finder by quickly creating a “burn folder” where you can drag and drop the files you want to save.
Oh wow you mean you can drag the files to the cd or dvd and,…… wow… click burn in explorer… oh i mean finder what a wonderful revolutionary idea… or wait maybe they made “fake folders” that link to the cd wow talk about a useless feature just drag it to the CD in XP and click the text that says “burn to disk”
never owned an apple in my life but always been interested.
will the mac mini be ‘upgraded'(?) to ship with tiger when it is released?
“When those idiots started saying in public how microsoft was copying… with spotlight and some other stuff… when it was blatantly proved that Microsoft had been developing it years ago far before mac even thought of it … you dont see microsoft in public making assinine acusations.”
You mean something like this: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22524
Yes, when Tiger ships, all mac mini’s will be delivered with Tiger. And if you can’t wait until the 29th, get your mini today and get the tiger-upgrade for $9.95
Your probably a troll but I’ll bite. Apple patented the Spotlight content search technology in the very beginning of 2000, before XP was even thought of, let alone Longhorn. Want proof?
http://www.tuaw.com/2005/01/28/apple-spotlight-patent-predates-micr…
or the unbiased patent itself which even explains the algorithm…
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u…
Spotlight is a CONTENT search, not a file search only. Spotlight is able to search all attributes of a file as well as all clear text, which means if you actually DO something productive with your computer and have many files, this is the best way to search.
And for the record: The only time Microsoft will make something that doesn’t suck will be when they start selling vacuum cleaners.
[QUOTE]Burnable Folders
Burn a CD or data DVD directly from the Finder by quickly creating a “burn folder” where you can drag and drop the files you want to save.
Oh wow you mean you can drag the files to the cd or dvd and,…… wow… click burn in explorer… oh i mean finder what a wonderful revolutionary idea… or wait maybe they made “fake folders” that link to the cd wow talk about a useless feature just drag it to the CD in XP and click the text that says “burn to disk” [/QUOTE]
err, we can already do that in Panther
>Linux doesn’t work for you?
Well actually I’ve used Linux since 1994 and in 2003 I swapped from Linux to OS X on the desktop because I had it with waiting for the so called Linux desktop revolution, it’s never coming!
My wife won’t let me upgrade her IMac from 10.2.
It’s stable and that’s her biggest concern.
Bless the misses’ heart, GoodMove
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She should have no worries about Panther. It’s rock solid.
By now, I’d wait for 10.4.1 [I do think there’ll be some bug fixes required however good it is], but I wouldn’t use 10.3.8 as an intermediate anymore. Tiger is right around the bend anyway. The extra RAM is a no-brainer. OS X LOVES RAM
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Although the user features are very important to lure in the doubting customer, it’s the underlying stuff that makes the system so yummie. Core graphics are going to make the graphics developers drool and H.264 is going to be a boon for everyone developing movies.
And all the stuff that’s under the hood is just adding muscle to the machine.
I appreciate the Zen Linux users feel when configuring a network card and using arcane incantations to make the drivers FEEL the fabric of the card, but I’m actually lazy tat way. If I plug in the cable and it just works, you know, that’s plenty fine for me.
And then I was even surprised when I installed iSight. I thought about having to make some changes to settings, but what iSight really needed was to be plugged in and turned on. It felt uncanny
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As a Linux user you’ll want to open the 6th seal to the gates of hell to find that last bit of connecting code that you can carry to the light and into Nirwana. I’m convinced there’s a tremendous kick to be gotten from finding out what pin to address on the motherboard. I rather prefer to be writing than to find out what the correct port is. That’s not saying it’s a good thing, I find myself being dumber about command and control than I was 5 years ago. But what can I say? Do you want me to break the thing so that I have to find out how to fix it again?
Tiger is going to be the r0x0r. It’s definitely appearing on a hard drive near me real soon now
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Burnable folders has improvements that you don’t seem to understand. Its integrated with spotlight, first of all. That means burnable folders can be burnable smart folders. Second of all, its not the file in the folder, its just a pointer. So if you are doing backup, you just click burn and it goes out and finds those files and burns them. No need to create a duplicate disk image to be burned. This is excellent, simple backup built right into the system, plus it makes burning quicker (no need to create that disk image beforehand)
You no longer need 5GB free HD space or Toast Titanium to burn a DVD.
The components are out there in other systems, but to have it tied together seamlessly in the OS like this is a big step. Next class will be conducted promptly after more FUD is posted. Dismissed.
Athough i’m an Linux fan in hart and soul i congrattulate all
MacOsX users with their new Tiger release.
I use Microsoft Windows every day without any problems but i look over every day to Apple and OSX. This seem to be one generation ahead.
[i]LOL why did i even read the stupid new features page i just glanced and the first thing made me smack my head and close the page….
Burnable Folders
Burn a CD or data DVD directly from the Finder by quickly creating a “burn folder” where you can drag and drop the files you want to save.
Oh wow you mean you can drag the files to the cd or dvd and,…… wow… click burn in explorer… oh i mean finder what a wonderful revolutionary idea… or wait maybe they made “fake folders” that link to the cd wow talk about a useless feature just drag it to the CD in XP and click the text that says “burn to disk” </>
Umm…they’ve had burning since OS 9…well before XP. Maybe even earlier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_9
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http://saturn.med.nyu.edu/it/help/burner/index3.html
They are just listing features that have received some sort of imnprovement.
Once again, OS X proves there is no reason to care about Linux whatsoever. Linux is ten years behind.
Ugh, what a horrible comment. I can give you one good reason I use Linux instead of OS X: it is all free! By going to linux I have saved hundreds of dollars each year. I also like being able to choose the window manager I want and all the free applications out there. Linux is not ten years behind. It is very easy to make a simple Linux application using Python and GTK2 — both cutting edge programs.
But, I like all three: OS X, Linux and Solaris X.
With the mac I can run, OS X, Linux( YellowDogLinux for example ) and Windows XP( wish they’d compile their DotNet library to Native code in XP ).
I use linux.
So what?
This article was about Mac OS X. A new version of Mac OS X and its features is what we should be talking about not some damnable troll fest with statements like who is behind the other in development or who ripped off whose interface or even who is better.
Congrats to the OS X users. From one *Nix to the other all the luck in the world people.
What people are failing to realize is this.
A file search utility can only find files or text in a file.
Spotlight finds content inside of PDF files even if it is a map with a city name on it, it will find it. I don’t know how that’s done but they showed a demo of it. This is far past MSN, Yahoo, Google, etc. search capabilities.
Combined with SmartFolders you don’t have to keep searching over and over for the same thing. You can create a smart folder which will automatically update when you add new content to your hard drive.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t like Apple, Microsoft, Sun… when you’re in charge of an OS X box and you have to do your daily work (or even read RSS, Mail, find somebody in your address book, make some appointments, etc.) You just realize how easy OS X is to work with.
Try it. You will realize that not even Ubuntu provides that. (to name one). I like linux, heck I even use OpenBSD. But the excitement of work with OS X is unique. I feel almost like I felt when OS/2 Warp was around the corner; except that this time the horizon looks even better and the features are more appealing.
And I write this from my Powerbook, having finished spending 4 hours with four Tablet PC (XP 2005 Version). They caught some series of worms and stuff (and they even use Firefox!). The darn worm was really intelligent
I have been able to save ’em all, and while I was installing Microsoft Antispyware Beta 1 I laughed… because, isn’t it funny that Microsoft had to release that tool? The software even told me that I should install the new “Bodyguards” (Security Agents) that were going to protect my boxes… LOL!!! It’s hillarious.
The users were paranoid, swearing that they didn’t open attachements; I believed ’em. If we only had choosen JAVA instead of .NET… sigh.
Anyways, I can’t afford panther now, it’s 149€ in Europe (with taxes included)!
If I could get a student discount… that’d be 89…
Thumbs Up!
PSt: linux is NOT 10 years behind. Linux doesn’t have the same profesionalism that OS X has with Apple. After all, linux is just a Kernel. OS X could as well run a Linux Kernel (ok just a dream)… Maybe novell will help the linux community. But they have a harder work, since i386 has a wider range of hardware (uncontrolled and cheap).
…already have panther. Sigh..