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The release candidate of Ubuntu Linux 5.04 is available.
Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.
Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli
http://kubuntu.org/hoary-release-candidate.php
Great to see that also Kubuntu RC has been released simultaneously. I’ll wait for a week and give that one a serious try.
Well, it looks like play time for me
. I just love new releases. So I guess that I will be up till 3 in the morn, and calling into work tommorow…………hehehehehe.
~Alan
Now to make a livecd based on ubuntu repos that lets you install and works a little better.
qemu segfaulted in the preview release. I know this application is not in the supported repo, but still, it does work in plain debian testing. I hope it is fixed now, or will be before the final release. Beside that, there is always the problem when firefox just disappears, no error message, nothing. Again, this is due to some plugin, java or mplayer, both unsupported…
I already ordered mine from their website, I can’t wait.
been using the hoary release in beta for some time now. works great for me
* GNOME 2.10 — Very fresh… Released yesterday!
* X.org 6.8.2
* Kickstart compatibility for automatic installations
* Several new desktop package-management tools to make it even
easier to stay up to date
* An ultra-fast boot process, with optimized init process and
special optimizations for the hotplug system
* Improved hardware support on a range of platforms — laptops in
particular gain improved suspend/hibernation support and processor
frequency scaling
* Unified and improved hardware detection between the install and
live CDs, which gives us live CDs on powerpc and amd64 too
* A range of improvements related to internationalization,
translations, and different keyboard layouts, including a
new smart keyboard selector that guesses your keyboard based
on keypresses
* A load of new Ubuntu-specific documentation, thanks to the
hard work of our community documentation team
* Instant messaging, desktop publishing, office productivity,
with vorbis playback and Python 2.4 ready out of the box
* Enhancements to the hardware abstraction layer to provide you with
BIOS, CPU, memory and LSB data (infrastructure for the upcoming
hardware database)
* Enhanced proactive security due to privilege minimization of many
processes which previously ran as root. This work reduces the impact
of many potential security vulnerabilities.
* The very best of the 100% FREE / LIBRE application software world.
* Much, much more!
That dude who said 2005 was the year of Arch was way off. 2005 will be another year “of” Ubuntu. And like most of the following years will be as well ;-). It really seems like Ubuntu is unstoppable. If they are serious about those Hotplug boot optimizations, this should be really awesome. Of course, Gnome 2.10 can’t hurt
.
give it a try if you haven’t already –
The bad news is that there are still some serious mysterious issues with Ubuntu on select systems that the developers can’t figure out. My system for example (athlon64 based) can’t run Ubuntu for more than about 5-30 minutes before it hard locks (it got worse with recent kernel update).
Mind you, that RedHat 7.3, 8, 9, RHEL 3 WS, Fedora Core 2, Fedora core 3, Solaris 10, Windows XP Professional, DragonFly BSD, FreeBSD 5.2 do not have this problem, so I it’s an Ubuntu issue not mine…(I can work for hours in any os *except* Ubuntu without problems)…
This version of hoary still hangs during boot up.. the last message being
ata1: command 0xa0 timeout, stat 0xd0 host_stat 0x21
This is a SATA harddisk issue which previous versions of warty and hoary had..
I have Hoary Preview in my laptop and its a pity I cant get to install it in my work computer..any workarounds?
A live CD that actually works on my Powerbook (sans Airport Express)
Mine also. It’s very sluggish even at console. I have eMachine T6212, amd64 3200+ with built-in ATI PCI Xpress video card. When I type at console, it pauses word by word. FC4-Test seems to run fine. I’m gonna try Mandrakelinux next.
2005 will only be the year of Arch if people decide en masse they want to dispense of every programmable convenience and do everything the hard way…which isn’t going to happen. You can mark this as a troll but whatever thought I had about adopting Arch went out the window after reading the interview with the development team on this site.
Why is it 5.04 and not 5.0? Why did it go from 4.whatever to 5.04? Is that latter part of the version just randomly generated?
Have the Ubuntu guys got the sound to work on the G5’s, I mean how much longer do we have to wait for sound support. This is bad, the G5’s rolled out in Sep 2003 and this is almost April 2005, how mch more do we have to wait for issue like sound not working etc. It looks like none of the Linux distributions out there are serious about the mac platform and are doing us mac users a big favor by porting linux.
I similiar install issue on Mandrake 10.2 RC1
go figure?
ubuntu worked fine.
it’s for april 2005
Ubuntu is the only project I know about who numbers its versions this way. 4.10 made reference to 2004 October, and 5.04 means 2005 April. The next version will be 5.10, in upcoming October.
“It looks like none of the Linux distributions out there are serious about the mac platform and are doing us mac users a big favor by porting linux.”
Except for a very few, yeah, pretty much.
The fact is that demand for Linux on Macs is orders of magnitude less then for Linux on x86. The fact that they already run an excellent UNIX-like OS out of the box is a big part of that.
IIRC, even YDL doesn’t have good sound support, and YDL specializes in PPC.
This is one of those times I really wish Apple would pull head out of ass and release a few specs.
Maybe this time sound will work for me. I actually did try to rebuild alsa from source per the relevant thread in the Ubuntu forums, and that didn’t help either. I also hope the inability to edit menus is fixed. If not, I might try this solution:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
I am missing Slackware more and more every day. I do still love Ubuntu Warty, but I don’t like the general direction Gnome seems to be going these days. Since Ubuntu is Gnome-centric, and KDE/Kubuntu is not an option for me, I think I’ll start looking elsewhere. I trust Eugenia’s opinions, so Arch may be in my future as well.
“Since Ubuntu is Gnome-centric, and KDE/Kubuntu is not an option for me, I think I’ll start looking elsewhere.”
Why isn’t Kubuntu an option? It’s Ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome, not a completely different distro.
Why isn’t Kubuntu an option? It’s Ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome, not a completely different distro.
Sorry, I should have been more clear: KDE is not an option for me, therefore neither is Kubuntu. The only problem I’ve ever had with Ubuntu as a distro is broken sound support in the Hoary preview, which may be fixed by now. My real issue is with the direction Gnome is going, which is not the fault of the Ubuntu team.
I’ve never been a fan of KDE, and until very recently I’ve loved Gnome. I still love the Gnome- and GTK-based applications; it’s Gnome as a DE that is starting to bug me. It’s getting slower for one thing, which may not mean much to most but I’m running old hardware for the foreseeable future. I’ll stick with Warty for the short term, but I’m shopping around again for a good, fast, lightweight distro with good hardware support.
KDE is faster
I agree, but speed is not the only reason I use my DE, GNOME may not be as fast as KDE but is aceptable and certainly not a showstopper for all the feautures GNOME offers to me, so despite GNOME is not as fast as KDE, for me is still the best free DE around.
If you like Gtk apps, can’t you just apt-get install xfce and continue to run Ubuntu?
If you like Gtk apps, can’t you just apt-get install xfce and continue to run Ubuntu?
Newer packages are available at this repos.
deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main
If you like Gtk apps, can’t you just apt-get install xfce and continue to run Ubuntu?
I’ve actually done that, but not with XFCE. I built and installed Blackbox 0.70 and ROX-Filer from source on Ubuntu Warty, and it was okay except that I lost some of the best things about Gnome: “Plug and Play” USB mass storage detection; Nautilus-CD-burner stopped working; some instability with pure Gnome applications.
I didn’t try XFCE because I’ve never liked it. It’s fast, and nice-looking, but it feels so incomplete, even compared to Blackbox and Fluxbox. My ideal setup will most likely be Slack 10.1 or Arch with Blackbox or Fluxbox as a WM and running Gnome/GTK apps. I’ll have to suck it up and live without the comforts of the wonderfully-integrated Ubuntu/Gnome desktop.
Then again…maybe I *will* give KDE another try under Hoary. So far I’ve heard wonderful things about KDE 3.4; maybe the stuff I don’t like about it will be straightened out this time around. And if not, I can always try something else. That’s the beauty of the open source world after all!
<em>Why is it 5.04 and not 5.0? Why did it go from 4.whatever to 5.04? Is that latter part of the version just randomly generated?</em>
That is probably because it is going to be released in April [4th month] 2005
So 5. from 2005 and .04 from April…
P.S. Even I had a hard time figuring that out 😉
Hi, why dont you read before posting? The asnwer about the version was already explained
I tried Ubuntu 4.10 on my IBM Thinkpad and everything worked fine except my braodband was slow. Every other OS I have tried didn’t have this problem. Anybody else have this problem and why just Ubuntu? I will try the new version when it is final and see if this happens.
Yeah, DNS lookups on IPv6 is the culprit here (due to buggy DNS servers I once read). Doesn’t seem to be a problem in Hoary, though.
You can work around this by disabling the IPv6 module (look on the forums for details).
Anyone with a succesful install before I waste my time.
Just installed Kubuntu. Works fine.
R3000Z, what do you mean? ‘Anyone with a succesful install before I waste my time.’ Hell, Ubuntu has taken the Linux world by storm! Of course there has been succesful installs! This is really a great distro. You’d be doing yourself a disservice if you don’t try it.
Anyone with a succesful install before I waste my time.
I’ve successfully installed the Hoary preview on a fairly standard machine. It’s an ASRock K7VT4A+ motherboard with onboard NIC and audio, a Duron 1GHz CPU, 512MB DDR400 RAM, and a Radeon 7000 (VE) 32MB AGP video card. The ONLY problem I had as far as hardware support was the VIA 8235 onboard sound; it was recognized but I could never get any sound out of it. I’m not sure, but this *may* have been fixed in the Hoary release candidate. I’m almost positive it will be fixed in the final release; this is a popular sound chip and I can’t see the Ubuntu developers leaving so many people without sound.
As for the installation process itself? Well, the only thing easier (to me) is Xandros or Linspire. Actually, I find Slackware easier as well, but only because I’ve been using Slack since 9.0 and it gets easier to install every time. I have heard of some people with exotic and/or extremely outdated hardware having issues, but it’s very rare. Basically, if you have a fairly modern system (no more than 4-5 years old) you should have no problems.
Laptops are another story; every one is different and you really don’t know if you’ll have a smooth install until you try it. However, Hoary so far has had much better laptop support than Warty, which was not so bad anyway.
and then upgrade via apt-get when the -final appears, will you end up with the same system as if you installed the Hoary -final iso?
I have a so called “exotic” machine, fairly new amd64, 3000, nvidia chipset, wireless net(dlink di 520), and it hasn’t been easy to get it running smoothly. I had to do alot of reading to get it to the state it’s running in now, which is 99.9% excellent. Having said that, this ubuntu runs better than any other true 64 bit that I’ve tried. Most can’t get past the nvidia chipset, sata , wireless. With the excellent help i found in ubuntu’s website and user forums, it’s running good now. I also have Mepis running, and Xp, and Centos4(although not much luck with it ,so far!) The only way I could get the wireless running, was to look carefully at the differences between Mepis and Ubuntu in /etc. I copied over all the files from Mepis to Ubuntu that had anything to do with networking, and bam! It works, it’s ugly, but it works. The reason I use Ubuntu64 bit is simple: Unreal 2004 64bit. If you don’t have 64 bit os , and wonder what the fuss is about, look at the difference in speed. Hoo momma, is the power of 64 bit computing going to shock folks in the next few years! For anything multimedia, or graphical in nature, it’s alot faster. Excellent work Ubuntu, can’t wait for the few small glitches to be ironed out in the final.
Is Kubuntu – or the newest KDE at all, for that matter – usable on a computer with 128 megabytes of RAM? I would like to try it out. The computer is otherwise better up-to-date, it’s just the amount of memory that’s the bottleneck.
I wouldn’t try running KDE on a machine with 128mb of ram. Realistically you’ll get the best experience out of something like fluxbox/blackbox, or even perhaps XFce. KDE could probably be trimmed down a bit, but I’m not sure how you’d go about it, nor just how much it could be trimmed down by. KDE is a great desktop, but it’s not light by any means. I’m not sure about gnome.
I have ubuntu running on an old 233mmx/96mb ram laptop, and gnome is sluggish. Fluxbox runs fine though.
I have Intel D915GAV motherboard with intergated video and audio, so I wonder if they’re going to work in Hoary. Warty LiveCD was able to launch X on it, but had issues with display picture size (the picture seemed to not fit into the screen); the same with AltLinux Sisyphus which, unlike Warty, even managed to boot into X after installation. I didn’t try audio, but suspect there may be problems with it too, since the chipset is fairly recent.
Has anyone had success with this hardware?
I updated from “Warty” but I cant see the “Ultra-Fast-Boot-Process” here. Do I need to change something?
If you like Gtk apps, can’t you just apt-get install xfce and continue to run Ubuntu?
I tried that on the 5.04 preview posted last week. Ubuntu’s apt-get server doesn’t have a recent build of XFCE on it and although I managed to download one eventually (4.1 i think, from the Community apt-get server) it was pretty broken. No option to change screen resolution, FFS !
If anyone can point out an apt-get server that offers a working recent XFCE build for Ubuntu I’d be very grateful.
I’ve just made the switch between the gnome-desktop and the K-desktop on hoary preview and it seems to be faster and less memory consuming (subjectively). But but when ubuntu was eating about 90 megs to boot on my laptop (256 megs available), the kde-desktop seems to boot with about 75 megs, which would make Kunbuntu basically suitable for 128 megs machines. I’m not too sure about the figures for a stock Kubuntu since my system is definitely too warped and the kde packages from the preview are still buggy. Can anybody confirm (no flamewar pls)
While my system now works, I have a similar issue about system freeze after 5-10 minutes under X. Reported the error and they made me do many tests from memtest86, etc, etc. I always tell them that Ubuntu was the only system freezing. Neither XP nor Arch with I also have installed had problems at all.
Thanks Jay for the heads up. I will give Hoary a try. Other than that Ubuntu works perfect for me.
Well maybe the comment that 2005 will be year of Arch Linux is a little bit exagerated, but lets see some facts:
1. Both have the latest DE at the moment (Gnome 2.10, KDE 3.4, XFCE 4.2)
2. Ubuntu is a bit bloated. Example: why my laptop need a RAID service trying to boot up always.
3. For multimedia, sorry but Ubuntu sucks, even with all the plugins installed, movies play a bit slow. Arch do it perfectly.
4. Arch do not follow releases, so there is no need for an apt-get dist-upgrade, after editing your apt.sources and pointing to the new version tree (some Warty users done that with Hoary repos). The normal upgrade system updates everything. pacman -Syu
5. Arch will need to run X config program manually, and done other things manually, but it’s very easy to do that. On the other hand, you don’t need to add repositories to your system to be able to install sun j2re, flash, acrobat, media codecs, etc.
A lot of people on AMD systems were reporting about things being slow a few updates ago in Hoary. Not sure if it is better.
I use it on both a Pentium-M 1.6 (wireless worked out of the box) as well as a 2.8 Prescott w/dual displays (also worked out of the box). It is no slower than Warty was for me. One was a fresh install, the other I just did an upgrade using apt-get.
Great so far, but I have some bugs w/firefox (the update feature doesn’t work), and they have no plans to have gaim 1.2 in the final release for some reason.
They have a stupid versioning number system.
5.04 means “2005, 4th month (april)”
As you can see (and they know already, see their FAQ) this makes a release in the year 2100 flawed
IMHO they should just use a more sensible versioning system. For example, 2005.1 (first release of year 2005)
The ubuntu install is one of the slowest i have ever seen. It installs about 100 python packages, and after it finishes installing packages, they need to be “configured” which takes really long.
I don’t know if ubuntu will be usable on 128mb, but i can vouch that kde will work and be usable, since i have a machine at work with 128mb and a PII-300mhz using kanotix
i’m one of the amd64 users that ubuntu refuses to work right for.
actually after installing it the boot loader errored out, i think error 15. so i grab my vectorlinux disk pop it in install, hey now that bootloader won’t work either. so i grab a debian disk. GUESS WHAT that didn’t work either. i have no idea what went so horribly horribly wrong but yeah, suffice to say i’mma give it a couple more releases before i try it again.
sound was broken for me from the start. Had to run some cryptic amixer command line to get it to work. BZZZZZT. Installer selects the largest resolution that the monitor supports as the default. For me on a 22″ CRT that was 1900something x 1400something .. christ the fonts looked like the text in those miniture bibles. BZZZZZZZT. both issues have been commented on in bugzilla. They seem to be bugs that are getting ignored. That really blows.
Installer selects the largest resolution that the monitor supports as the default. For me on a 22″ CRT that was 1900something x 1400something
It’s a bug, not a feature. That’s the way it’s supposed to work. If the fonts are too small for your liking, I would suggest increasing the font size instead of decreasing monitor resolution. Also check that X detected the ppi of your monitor correctly – should be something 85-90ish on your monitor.
sound was broken for me from the start. Had to run some cryptic amixer command line to get it to work. BZZZZZT. Installer selects the largest resolution that the monitor supports as the default. For me on a 22″ CRT that was 1900something x 1400something .. christ the fonts looked like the text in those miniture bibles. BZZZZZZZT. both issues have been commented on in bugzilla. They seem to be bugs that are getting ignored. That really blows.
Er, this is not a *bug* hence isn’t treated as such.
Sounds doesn’t work for some, I know this is annoying, but sound doesn’t work by default for me on XP either (very common AC’97 audio here).
You resolution SHOULD be the maximum possible, if you have a system capable of 1280×1024 you don’t want it to be on 800×600.
I recently installed ubuntu, but I need to access files on my external hard drive (previously used by XP). I can mount without a problem, but ubuntu doesn’t recognize the files or file folders. It is mostly mp3’s, Office 97 docs, and pdf’s. I tried mount -t vfat /dev/sda1… but with no avail. Any suggestions?
Just type linux vga=791 when prompted at the beginning when the installer starts up. Works fine for me.
Mind you, that this isn’t the default behaviour, which is fine I suppose.
“As you can see (and they know already, see their FAQ) this makes a release in the year 2100 flawed
”
Why? 100.04 and 100.10 – what’s the problem?
I assume you use vfat file based on your post. How do you have it set in /etc/fstab file?
Here is what I have for my external USB HD under Ubuntu 4.10:
/dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 vfat noauto,user,umask=0 0 0
The to mount it, I just type
mount /mnt/sda5
This has worked well for me so far.
Ubuntu 5.04 automatically detects and mounts the drive under /media directory. (I am not at home right now so I can tell for sure).
Well, I have no idea how it is set. I am at work, so I won’t be able to check until later today. Thanks for your help though. Sorry for the lack of info, as I am a newbie.
With vfat, there are also some nasty codepage options for other languages than english. I’m sorry I can’t explain more, but I’m neither a Windows user nor a USB stick owner, so I don’t know exactly what the options are.
Tried the LiveCD portion and it worked very well on my Laptop. Ordered some CD’s to pass around and will try the full install on one of my test PC’s. So far I would say good job!
“Re: DSL broadband speed
By Jay (IP: 208.60.223.—) – Posted on 2005-03-31 04:26:14
Yeah, DNS lookups on IPv6 is the culprit here (due to buggy DNS servers I once read). Doesn’t seem to be a problem in Hoary, though.
You can work around this by disabling the IPv6 module (look on the forums for details).”
Good to know. I noticed the same sluggish speeds when I tried out the preview release. I guess I didn’t read enough to figure out what it was. I was also not really that impressed with Ubuntu overall, just my opinion.
If I didn’t like to fiddle around with my desktop software so much, I could see using it.
Until Ubuntu (and every other distro) can learn to write drivers for PCI wireless networking cards … i sleep through these releases and use Windows XP with Object Desktop.
“As you can see (and they know already, see their FAQ) this makes a release in the year 2100 flawed
”
Why? 100.04 and 100.10 – what’s the problem?
That’s what I was thinking, though they’ll have a problem when they reach the year 3000, I’m sure 995 years is long enough for them to decide what to do.
Two Questions if I may…
If you where on the Warty CD list do you have to re-list yourself to get mailed Hoary CD’s?
And is the Xfce version in Hoary’s apt-get repos the newest one?
Any help thankfully accepted.
/X
1000.04 and 1000.10 – What’s the problem here?
If you where on the Warty CD list do you have to re-list yourself to get mailed Hoary CD’s?
You have to login at http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and update your order.
1000.04 and 1000.10 – What’s the problem here?
Apart from the Ubuntu wiki and others probably joing about the Y2K problem, I can’t see any real problem. 🙂
Ok, so 4 doesn’t mean the forth year of releases and when it reaches 1000 it can’t mean the year.
But one could say that the flaw is to base time counting on this Jesus guy. Just define out 2000 as year 0, and the versioning isn’t flawed anymore. 😉
“But one could say that the flaw is to base time counting on this Jesus guy. Just define out 2000 as year 0, and the versioning isn’t flawed anymore. ;-)”
Since Jesus realy wasn’t born in 0 (rather 4 B.C. IIRC) we might as well call 2004 for year 0 as that was the first year of Ubuntu. Hence we’d be in 1 A.U. (Anno Ubuntu) and next year should be 2 A.U. and so forth. 🙂
And is the Xfce version in Hoary’s apt-get repos the newest one?
yes