MandrakeSoft today announced the immediate release of Mandrake Corporate Server 2.1, a Linux solution that provides large accounts with critical business server functions, plus MandrakeSoft’s famous “user friendly” touch. The Corporate Server includes MandrakeClustering tools. The new Corporate Server offers all the tools needed to create a full-featured enterprise network, complete with the latest up-to-date software and
security updates.
Mandrake Corporate Server 2.1 Released
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“MandrakeSoft’s famous “user friendly” touch”
that’s a joke right?
Seriously though, I don’t really see anything that makes this product stand out amoung other “Advanced” server releases from Red Hat and SuSe or even really from the ProSuite or download versions…other than the inclusion of clustering stuff…put is that enough to differentiate it?
>that’s a joke right?
Nope, that’s part of their press release.
Yeah I know..i meant “They” are joking?
throwing together a bunch of hacked config tools dosn’t make something “user friendly”
maybe mandrake is not friendly with you because you are an advanced user. But for somebody like me, and many others, mandrake is user friendly. you can not make assertions like that. is like saying police is not violent because they have never hit you.
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“because you are an advanced user”
That has nothing to do with it
being intuitive, creating a more consistent interface between the drakTools, getting rid of technical/jargon terms in the interface…that is user friendly.
Hey, I won’t lie I use Mandrake…have ever since I bought my very first Linux package which was Mandrake 6.0 and have been using Mandrake ever since (on my main machine)
I am on the cooker mailing list, have a machine for exlusively running cooker and beta releases…
anyway…my prime example: DrakCronAt
Not to mention the fact that it is named different things in different places so you don’t actually know what tool is what…the interface is tooo much.
The interface is too cluttered..i don’t suppose they have ever heard of “Progressive Disclosure”
a new user isn’t going to know what half of the options and things they are supposed to select or enter info into are….
and calling it “Cron & At Front End” in the menu dosn’t mean a damn thing to the average user.
Ok, maybe the way they name their draktool not very consistent for an average user but one thing I know that I could set up a Mandrake box running Squid/DHCP server. Setting up my Samba to share file/print server with windows clients with a few clicks from mcc. Could you do that with Red Hat? Yes, of course you could do everything w/ RTFM and launch ‘vi’. But that’s not for newbie or even for an average user.
They start thinking buisness. Good. It is nice to give away their distro but it is better to offer a professional service…
They are also hiring some people in marketing.
I think they are going in the right direction.
By the way I am a Mdk/SuSe/RH user & I don’t remember what MS means….
NB:
yes I know I will have to try Debian.
Why are they so anxious to get out 9.1 and release this all of a sudden? In need of some cash maybe?
Maybe they should test their software before they release it. Redhat might not add all the fancy packages mandrake offers, but at least they _work_. I dumped mdk a while ago in favor of redhat just for their bugs. You can’t have it all, a lot of packages, all the latest and few developers.
I do hope that mandrake has a better staffing to handle the updates on their SNF or MNF releases and this one than they have on the 9.0 release where security updates come late sometimes.
The release hurry might give them a bit of credit in the short run, but the bugs will kill them in the long run.
Disgruntled customers will leave them to never return again.
1) Will the corporate server be available for download?
Me thinks no, but just wondering.
2) Is the corporate server entirely GPL?
Why are they so anxious to get out 9.1 and release this all of a sudden? In need of some cash maybe?
Maybe they should test their software before they release it. Redhat might not add all the fancy packages mandrake offers, but at least they _work_. I dumped mdk a while ago in favor of redhat just for their bugs. You can’t have it all, a lot of packages, all the latest and few developers.
The packages on Mandrake 9.0 is quite outdated IMO, compared to it’s competition… With RedHat, that’s fine, cause they pretty much added their own touch to the interfaces, and slashed features off of software. KDE 3.0? Gnome 2.0? Mozilla 1.0.1?
No one is forcing you to update it either, but heck, with Mandrake, there is just no simple way of upgrading the software (URPMI, even though better than anything RH has to offer, still offers up quite a few dependancy problems), but the bug-squashing updates are there.
Heck… Mandrake with a tweaked up interface, KDE 3.1, GNOME 2.2 would be nice. Argh. Maybe it’s just me…
Bleeding edge is nice… probably the reason why I like Gentoo, but Mandrake… It’s just easy, and a shitload easier than RH 8.0.
These releases don’t have major rewrites either, it’s just CD’s filled with updated packages, so just click to upgrade
.
RH, mind you, has loads of bugs… Oh… can someone say NVIDIA drivers? And oh, I RTFM, posted in forums, and in #redhat. Psssh, I’m sure there are loads of RH users out there, but I really dislike the way it modifies common software to make it more integrated (take XMMS and KDE). Ah well… There’s my rant…
Mandrake has Wizards… RH doesn’t. The config tools are not wizards (no wizards? pre-XP desktop levels)… So I still believe, Mandrake is the better desktop Linux… Ah…
Of course, there will always be the bunch of you who claim, RedHat isn’t a desktop OS.
“Ok, maybe the way they name their draktool not very consistent for an average user but one thing I know that I could set up a Mandrake box running Squid/DHCP server. Setting up my Samba to share file/print server with windows clients with a few clicks from mcc. Could you do that with Red Hat? Yes, of course you could do everything w/ RTFM and launch ‘vi’. But that’s not for newbie or even for an average user. ”
You can setup your Samba server via point’n’click GUI from SWAT or Webmin on any distribution. Mine’s running on Debian Sarge. Also, Redhat Phoebe (beta), has a GUI Samba tool.
You can setup your Samba server via point’n’click GUI from SWAT or Webmin on any distribution. Mine’s running on Debian Sarge. Also, Redhat Phoebe (beta), has a GUI Samba tool.
Have you ever used redhat-samba-config? or was it samba-config-redhat?
Yah sure, it has a GUI front end, but it requires you to create users too, which can be quite a hassle with new converts…
Ever use Mandrakes? Control Center > Samba > Share Files, Printers, Make Home Folders accessible to Owners > Workgroup, DONE…
And hey, it just works, just like in WindowsXP. No creation of SMB users required. No Passwords needed. It just works.
I don’t see that in RH 8.0, nor does redhat-config-samba come close.
I thought Mandrake filed for bankruptcy?
Who’d be dumb enough to buy a product from a company that’s likely going out of business?
@thinking_it_over
If I’m not mistaken, the chapter 11 style bankruptcy they filed with the French gov’t is for restructuring and rebuilding. It doesn’t mean that they are completely dead, yet….
Personally, I wouldn’t spend a dime on anything from any company that filed chapter 11, more importantly, a company that routinely employs a business model of begging for money.
@thinking_it_over
If I’m not mistaken, the chapter 11 style bankruptcy they filed with the French gov’t is for restructuring and rebuilding. It doesn’t mean that they are completely dead, yet….
Personally, I wouldn’t spend a dime on anything from any company that filed chapter 11, more importantly, a company that routinely employs a business model of begging for money.
If they don’t have a major business plan to change the way they do things, hopefully, someone will atleast benefit from their work. An acquisition? Probably not.
As for the begging part… That would be there position in a market… They have a great distro, but it’s just not the best. They don’t have the best support. It isn’t the easiest. It isn’t the fastest. It isn’t the most stable distro either.
It’s just good. The popularity of Mandrake was probably due to an easy distro that was FREE…
But unless they can really get their act up, start challenging Lycoris, Xandros, Lindows… Or switch on a parth to start challenging RH on the business front, forget it.
Maybe it’s just time for someone else to take over what Mandrake has done, and create something new.
So many useful Drak Tools.
i dont agree. the mandrake club is growing by leaps and bounds
Mandrake is fast. Mandrake is very very stable. i have used it
since about 7.2. Mandrake looks nice, we just got the new KDE
3.1 test rpms and they are nice and KDE is much faster than before.
go to google groups and then alt.os.linux.mandrake
its the best google group around.
Mandrake is changing their business model, some. they will continue
to give back to the community the complete distro. they just arent
gonna give it out for fee at the same time they release their next
version.
u are correct, the tools are wonderful. we will continue to use them.
and come on now. Mandrake is the easiest distro to use. u can at least
admit that. its apparent u dont care for Mandrake that is ok. dont run
down a distro because u dont use it.
and be honest. Mandrake is definately the easiest to get up and running and the easiest to use. bar none.
later
Sorry, but How can you say that Mandrake is the easiest distro ?
Did you use the latest SuSE, REdhat or Xandros ?
Don’t be biased, Mandrake is loosing the Desktop market on Linux, that is a fact
I dont agree. Mandrake is a lot easier to use as Redhat. Even easier to use as Redhat 8.0.
I dont like Suse, but I know, its a good and userfriendly distro. The fact is, I dont like the yast tools.
daniel
Hah! Ahahahahaha….
Good one…
A Gentoo system is easier to get up compared to an RH 8.0 box…
Mandrake is easy… Xandros, Lindows, Lycoris is easier…
But RedHat? Ah, that still requires hours of battling bugs, dependency problems, and many hours downloading the “real” versions of common software.
RH… Nice Interface. Neat GUI tools, but it’s nowhere as easy as Mandrake.
“But RedHat? Ah, that still requires hours of battling bugs, dependency problems, and many hours downloading the “real” versions of common software. ”
What a crock, install apt and you are already nearly done.
“A Gentoo system is easier to get up compared to an RH 8.0 box.”
No it isn’t, I know I use both.
Installing APT4RPM itself is a hassle… Oh, I thought it would be easy… Download Apt4rpm, and Synaptic…
Problem occurs, Apt4RPM requires me to have another package? What? It’s dependency hell trying to fix dependency hell…
Yah, I admit exaggerating the RH install a bit (ran into a crapload of problems with RH8.0 and my Ti4200 and monitor).
But RedHat simply is NOT easier than Mandrake.
As for patrick… Those $99 distro’s a far easier than Mandrake… RH seems more “refined” than Mandrake (which is a bunch of packages and wizards slapped together, which is fine… cause their’s also the minimal install option). I love Mandrake mind you. My first distro, and I’m still using… even though I also use Yoper, Gentoo, and RH.
Now only if I could use those Wizards in Gentoo…
this has been what it takes for me to get the last several Mandrakes
up and running. i put in the cd or as of late the dvd, reboot,
answer a few questions, make the drive the way i want it and then
it installs. no problems. then do the updates at the end, grab me
a cup of coffee and its over. my video always works, my sound
always work, my software works.
p.s. if i want to write a document i still have to do that all on my
own.
i am using ibm scsi drives and they are set up perfectly.
i have a printer, an older panasonic, i have to tell it to emulate
a hp printer, no problem.
as far as having problems most if not all people dont have problems
installing Mandrake.
it does take a few minutes after the first install to get the desktop
to look the way i want. i keep icons and backgrounds and such
on cd so i can put them in.
and no i havent used any other distro as of late. i have used suse
in the past , i enjoyed it and next to Mandrake its my second choice.
i never could get yast to do some of the stuff it was supposed to do,
but that has been awhile.
red hat, well red hat has never before pushed the desktop, i never
went there because of that and also because of the bad pr red hat
puts out. i dont think the , we own linux stuff does them any good in
the long run. i dont believe the , we hate mandrake stuff that has
been put out benefits linux in the long run.
there is one thing that Mandrake has besides a great distro and that
is a Mandrake community. we dont bash each other, we dont talk
hate all the time, we in the community are working to make the
next Mandrake the best ever. yes, the people that join the Mandrake
Club are decided even as i speak what is going into the next version.
there is so much to be done and the people are getting invovled and
doing it.
dont bash Mandrake, if u dont want and if the community of people that
are involved in it dont suit u then fine. if u want to go with a distro
that will make moves against the linux community when they feel for
whatever reason it is in theri best interest then do it. if u want to
explore other avenues please do so, but how about letting the
people and Mandrake be themselves without all the hassling .
just thought.
Mandrake is not losing the desktop to anybody. Mandrake is
helping Linux to win the desktop for the people. its your way
of thinking. last i read Linux had about 2 percent of the desktop.
what is with some of u. there is room in the world for lots of different
versions of Linux or i guess i should say distros.
u seem to read somebodys pr and its negative against Mandrake
and then u repeat it like its the truth. its amazing. how will LInux
ever grow and welcome more and more people with everybody
bashing everybody.
no offense but your comment about how they are losing the desktop
to whoever is nothing more than pr that has been circulated by
red hat. stop for a moment, next time u read something and ask
yourself , where did this come from. who put this out and why
did they put it out.
i believe red hat is afraid of Mandrake. why. because Mandrake makes
a desktop that most people when they use it like it. period. im not
saying red hat cant do the same, but the nasty pr says a lot about them.
i am an american and it is sad that red hat the american version of
linux has to be the mean , bully, own u , version. this is a form of
abuse. unfortunately so many people without even realizing it
are following the abuse gang.
think about it.