“Apple on Thursday released Mac OS X 10.5.1 Update, its first maintenance and security update to the new Leopard operating system which is recommended for all users. Mac OS X 10.5.1 is available as a 110MB download and includes general operating system fixes that enhance the stability, compatibility and security of your Mac, Apple says.”
I just ran the update (38.something mb) for my intel 24″ (white) iMac. I experienced zero problems with the update.
Note: I did on the initial install of Leopard 10.5.0 due to an old Logitech driver that used APE (application enhancer). That was an easy fix after using another computer to go to Apple Discussions. Someone else had already experienced it and fixed it and I just followed their easy instructions.
So … Apple = Good. Logitech’s old drivers = Bad
I’m using software update and for me it’s 38.9Mb as well… will report how it worked
Vista started selling Vista on 30 Nov 2006. After almost a year, there’s no SP1. We’ve to wait until 2008. Apple however is already fixing the most serious bugs with this 10.5.1 pack – in 3 weeks.
It’s not surprising that Apple is getting so much momentum.
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//Apple however is already fixing the most serious bugs with this 10.5.1 pack – in 3 weeks//
Either that, or those bugs should have been fixed three weeks ago …
Oh, sure. Just like the many known bugs in Vista.
actually Vista design is so severely flawed, if you fix anything, it would break other stuff; that’s why is so painful for MS to release fixes for Vista; and they have to wait to test the fixes and fix the breakage after the fixes.
And you that how?
You’ve seen the source code, design docs?
Or you are just trolling?
actually, I have seen MS source code as part of my job. and it’s not pretty.
But that’s not the only reason. MS obsession with backward compatibility is a major headache for them.
Agreed. And it is the sole reason people keep buying Windows.
Few people deliberately ‘buy’ Windows. They walk into their local electronics or variety store and say.. “I’d like a computer please” and the sales guy baffles them with specs and stats that they don’t understand, before handing over a computer with whatever version of Windows is available at the time. That’s the simple reality…but you surely knew that already…
That’s because “few” people take the time to think about *any* purchase nowadays from major retailers.
Witness the idiocy of WalMart shoppers. Long live China.
//and the sales guy baffles them with specs and stats that they don’t understand, before handing over a computer with whatever version of Windows is available at the time.//
And that, of course, is Microsoft’s fault … not the idiot consumer’s fault.
I don’t run Vista, but my understanding is that there have been many OS updates since it was released, available via Windows update (just as OSX .0.1 releases are available via Software Update), and Vista has had numerous bugs fixed and had its performance increased as a result. Just because these aren’t called Vista 1.1.1 or whatever, doesn’t mean that they never happened.
Edit: Here’s a list of the Vista updates that have been released since Vista RTM’ed.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/browse.aspx?displaylang=en&produ…
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One has to concede, however, that many of those updates are ‘quick fixes’ – which hold the Microsoft policy of “don’t install unless you’re experiencing problems”. They haven’t had the same level of testing as their service packs so your mileage may vary on whether the wheels fall of the cart once installed.
With that being said, I don’t understand what the original purpose of the original post was; Microsoft and Apple have different patching policies. Apple release more updates with less fixes in each, where as Microsoft releases fewer service packs but more fixes in each service pack.
They’re different ways of approaching the same issue; personally I think that the Apple way of updating is a lot better; triage the problems the work through them rather than trying to aim for a huge number and as a result, biting off more than one can chew.
Getting back to the topic at hand, I don’t think it is at all relevant the status of Windows Vista compared to Mac given that Windows Vista and Mac don’t compete directly. Apple competes against OEMs with bundled versions of Windows, not with Microsoft directly.
What Windows Vista is doing, for most of us here, doesn’t interest us in the slightest. For me, I don’t really care; it doesn’t impact on me, and to bring up Windows Vista in a Mac related threat is simply a red flag waving in front of a bull – hoping to provoke a response from Apple and Microsoft ‘supporters’ (or users if you want to use a better term).
It didn’t take long for someone to throw Vista into this conversation to try to deflect the issue away from OS X. Good job on linking something that had nothing to do with the article.
There has been lots of updates for Vista. They are just labeled differently, and distributed differently. Just do a google search
To be fair, service packs contain a lot more fixes /updates than apple´s point releases and sometimes new features. I would say that each service pack are the equivalent of about 3 or 4 point releases.
I use vista for my laptop, but my gaming rig sure keeps XP. It’s faster, less resources and directX 10 isn’t that much different right now.
oh dear,
now I have a couple of broken permissions. But as it seems, I am not the only one.
But seems to be faster and more “light”.
Is that faster or less slow?
So far, I’ve seen folding@home running on 10.5.1 at 1.26 times faster than 10.5.0 but Tiger was 1.77 times faster than 10.5.0.
It looks better an with the progress bar fixed on permissions repair, you can tell where it is in its overly long assessment and repair now. What used to take 2 minutes, initially took 8 minutes or so with 10.5.0. I haven’t run it again with 10.5.1.
I did notice one anomaly. The revised firewall asked me if it was okay for natd to be contacted. Skype still doesn’t work with the new firewall.
I downloaded the one off the Apple website (rather than using the updater) and everything is working fine – I too have found greater ‘teh snappy’; on a MacBook with 2 gigs of memory. A few applications are now loading faster, boot time has been reduced, no strange application issues.
“In Security preferences’ Firewall tab, the “Block All” option is now called “Allow Only essential services””
Sooooooo is there no such thing as ‘block all’ anymore?
Is that in the same way there is no such thing as anonymity(sp???) / privacy anymore?
I believe it was simply renamed. It was a poor choice of words to begin with.
so why cant there be another option to ‘block all’ ? Is it so hard not to have any connections?
Unplug your ethernet cable / wireless router. That should pretty much block everything.
Sorry, I’m not sure what you mean. The previous “block all” and the current “allow only essential services” (which are one and the same) are about as close as you can get to blocking everything without actually pulling the plug.
but dont they count the time server as ‘essential’? I’m assuming the update server is also ‘essential’
I only use little snitch, not that I dont trust the apple firewall but I’m having problems with skype and a few other applications.
I just dont see why ANY of these services are essential and why there is not an option to block All traffic…
Sorry I am a reasonable big fan of OSX but I just dont understand apples implementation of the firewall over say little snitch.
If your going to tard it and give the user options of lots less and little then you might as well give the option of none too, since without little snitch I cant turn off things Apple deems safe… Believe me I think apple was right to clear up the ambiguity but I dont think it would have been any harder to block all rules and an option to block non essential rules.
Here is the beauty of Mac OS using parts of FreeBSD…
IPFW is the default firewall in a FreeBSD installation and Mac OS uses it as well. To block all incoming traffic you would just run the following command from Terminal as root.
ipfw add 50 deny all from any to any in
This should block all incoming traffic no matter who it is from or where it is going.
Of course we are … since running Leopard with the ARD fix I have had a repair permissions issue, I have since rebuilt and not installed the fix and not had this problem. I have also re-installed Leopard, not updated and successfully hack my UK iPhone. I have always liked being an early adopter but this time it hasn’t paid off.
But …. they [Apple] have come up trumps again, as a previous posted mentioned … 3 weeks for a fix, Vista users … <raspberry />
In my little [Geek] world there are only two people doing right at the moment and that is Apple and Ubuntu. These are the only two organizations that seem to really care about their user base. How can I say this? Easy … I felt the same when I developed Mambo! I loved seeing my users happy and these two major corporates seem to feel the same!
In the words, of Kevin Costner, build it and they will come, this IMHO is true of Apple and Ubuntu!
I am one VERY happy customer from both camps BUT I still run XP 🙂
TTFN!
MacOS X: a new OS update once every few months.
Winblows: a new service pack once every decade.
Take your pick.
It’s difficult to criticize Winblows when you have Bill Gates’s flaccid penis stuck down your throat.
Winblows = crapware for Joe Public. However, members of the Microsoft Defense Brigade might disagree.
Kernel panicked on the first boot after installing 10.5.1 but after rebooting again everything is running fine and things seem a little snappier as other people have noticed.
Okay. I’ve gone through three separate leopard installs without a single technical `burp` or fail. Two upgrades and one clean install. This includes the updates which is always part of a fresh install.
It’s so very refreshing not to have to spend an hour looking for a strange video or network card just to get a computer up-to-speed.
Has anyone running OS X been using the upgraded terminal?
I’ve noticed that ever since I installed leopard the performance hasn’t been great on my MBP, at least in terms of gui performance. I really started to notice it when I setup a new mac mini for someone and that thing made my brand new MBP 2.4 with 2GB of ram look like an old 1st gen mini. I know that the performance of the gpu included with the latest MBP isn’t that great, but the difference is really noticeable. It kind of has me worried, in-fact. I also still get the beachball, especially when dealing with an external harddrive. I haven’t had any major issues with leopard, the upgrade when off without any issues, but after using the brand new mini, now I’m not so sure if the upgrade wetn well.
Repair permissions takes longer than advertised.
The dock crashed, no idea how or why.
Overall 10.5.x is an improvement but as usual they still have a bad habit of changing things for changes sake.
e.g. International settings in 10.3 were pretty much perfect, they changed them in 10.4 and they’re nowhere near as good.
They’ve done the same with spotlight in 10.5, it brings up the results in a normal window instead of the old custom results window. This has removed the ability to only show the top 5 results in certain categories – which is very useful if one category has zillions of results and you don’t want to look at them. It’s made finding specific results much more difficult. I don’t know if I’d quite describe it as “broken” but it’s certainly a significant degradation in functionality and usability.
…and it lists the type of some docs wrong – an rtf file is now a “NSRTFboardType” whatever one of those may be…
Edited 2007-11-17 00:32