Submitted by “Most Linux people don’t know much about JBoss, the open source firm reported in talks with Oracle about a $400 million purchase. That tops any free software deals I can recall. Novell paid $210 million for SUSE in cash. So, what about this JBoss company? They did it without any initial outside funding, generated revenue and self-funded and stayed true to open source 100% while selling services.”
JBoss Is not Linux
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Matt Giacomini“Look its really simple , if it runs use or its service based of GNU/Linux its accounted for in the GNU/Linux industry.”
Our mortgage company has on linux server running the db that manages the transaction to the loans we sell on wall street. Our company is worth over $400,000,000 and did over a billion dollars in business last year.
Better add that to your bottom line
Wait we also run Windows, Solaris, and use Cisco hardware better add our figure to the windows, UNIX and networking industries too.
Oh crap wait we also write applications in Java and C# you better also……oh nevermind.
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Moulinneuf
“Better add that to your bottom line
”Its already accounted for , if it exist , dont worry.
Funny thing , is you guys think I said Google 100 billion whas included fully in the 700 bilion.
I said :
“First of all GNU/Linux is well over 700 Billion industry. Taking a single entity and calling it “Linux” ( because your a press amateur who dont know that Linux is the name of the kernel only ) dont make it the entire industry or an example case.
Red Hat the current GNU/Linux behemot is worth 3 billion , Google is worth 111.74. The press need to stop making comparaison between looser and winner and try to explain itself GNU/Linux.”
I never said GNU/Linux industry is worth 700 Billion because of Google is worth 100 billion , the point is rather that company who used GNU/Linux like Google are more numerous then people think and a lot of them are worth more then 210 milion. I also said that most report of it speak of the Computer and software sale in the US mostly. GNU/Linux touch way more then you guys realise. I also said that GNU/Linux is vital for Google business , not that they made 100 billion from it directly , But you guys are really funny, you really use all kind of straw man argument.
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Wasn’t JBoss feeling the heat of IBM’s hot breath in their necks already? IBM is a direct competitor if I recall correctly, and one with a lot of clout and eating into JBoss’ buisness model.
What I’m saying is that it seems unlikely Oracle would lay down that much cash and want to directly complete with IBM.
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They shouldn’t be as worried about IBM with Websphere as with Bea and Weblogic. Of all of the major java app servers, Weblogic is the most robust (I’ve worked with Jboss, Tomcat 3-4, Websphere, and Weblogic)
Boy have you got it backwards.
Oralce already does compete directly with IBM with databasing software.
First of all GNU/Linux is well over 700 Billion industry. Taking a single entity and calling it “Linux” ( because your a press amateur who dont know that Linux is the name of the kernel only ) dont make it the entire industry or an example case.
Red Hat the current GNU/Linux behemot is worth 3 billion , Google is worth 111.74. The press need to stop making comparaison between looser and winner and try to explain itself GNU/Linux. There is one in 5 company that use GNU/Linux that go bankrupt and extinct , the difference and since its open source and Free Software it never really dies , developper go work for other winning company , form new company or simply the company asset get bought an split to others ( Corel = Xandros = Linspire )
JBoss is a well runned winner in its sector hence it command a real premium that SUSE did not as SUSE whas a total bleeding money looser , it still is at Novell too , but its more on track to become profitable.
The company investors is also a why its doing good :
“JBoss, Inc. is employee-owned and venture-backed by Matrix Partners, Accel Partners, Intel Capital and Bain Capital.”
They also have an internationnal Team of manager that is really doing there job :
Marc Fleury, founder, chairman and CEO
Rob Bearden, chief operating officer
Bob Bickel, executive vice president of strategy & corporate development
Sacha Labourey, chief technology office and general manager of JBoss Europe
Scott Stark, vice president of development
Cary Smith, chief financial officer
Tom Cooper, vice president of worldwide channels
Shaun Connolly, vice president of product management
Brad Murdoch, vice president of services
Seriously give 400 million to anyone with half a brain when you know your company is worth at best 10 million and they will sale it to you. The only one who loose in this deal are the Oracle sharolders who bought a company 8 to 10 time over its real value. I just hope that they are buying a complementary product that will enhance there current offering.
that SUSE did not as SUSE whas a total bleeding money looser , it still is at Novell too , but its more on track to become profitable.
It’s the other way around. Suse had difficult times when they first started off in the face of Red Hat, but they made a focused distribution and brought out focused, well thought out stuff like SLOX. At Novell all of that good work has been undone to the point where SLOX, and any open source groupware, competes with Groupwise which they just will not admit is dead. Novell’s software and it’s open source philosophy are just fundamentally at odds.
“It’s the other way around.”
NO. Otherwise SUSE would have bought Novell.
“Suse had difficult times when they first started off in the face of Red Hat”
SUSE had difficult time when there R&D whas 30 time there income , there sale force whas too big and not making enough sales and when the VC capital stopped coming in and when IBM said *enough pooring money into that company.*
“but they made a focused distribution and brought out focused, well thought out stuff like SLOX.”
SUSE problem never whas its product , its proprietary strategy and its management failure to adpt to gnu/linux reality on the other end whas.
“At Novell all … will not admit is dead. ”
One bring in income the other dont , its as simple as that. IF SLOX whas beating Groupwise in sale they would open up Groupwise code and merge the two product , if its even possible.
“Novell’s software and it’s open source philosophy are just fundamentally at odds.”
No , its just hard to switch totally 180 degree when you been advocating something else for so long. Personaly , at the time I tought 210 million whas a very low price for one of the best GNU/Linux OS , But its the owner and buyer who decide on the price , there is a lot of details about SUSE sales that most people dont know or just dont care about anyway.
NO. Otherwise SUSE would have bought Novell.
YES. That’s exactly what would have happened.
there sale force whas too big and not making enough sales and when the VC capital stopped coming in and when IBM said *enough pooring money into that company.*
No actually, they got through that period. Their revenue was rising exponentially through products like SLOX, and with a trimming of their company they looked in good condition. All companies of Suse’s size and age back then experience those problems.
They also had a pretty clear direction, which is the single most important thing, and which Novell doesn’t have.
its proprietary strategy
Hmmmm, right. And Novell’s current is….what?
One bring in income the other dont , its as simple as that.
SLOX was bringing in income and it was rising much faster than Groupwise. Groupwise’s revenue has been dropping like a brick, and I don’t know one Novell using company who uses it. By that rationale they should continue to use Netware since it brings in the income. We all know they couldn’t continue to do that.
IF SLOX whas beating Groupwise in sale they would open up Groupwise code and merge the two product
No, it’s their attitude towards Groupwise. They want to pretend it’s still relevant. Protectionism of their baby, call it what you like.
No , its just hard to switch totally 180 degree when you been advocating something else for so long.
They’re still advocating that ‘something else’, and they’re certainly not turning 180 degrees to anywhere.
“YES. That’s exactly what would have happened.”
No. In order for SUSE to buy Novell they need 3+ billion. Even Red Hat dont pull that in income.
“No actually, they got through that period.”
No , its IBM who sold them to Novell in 2004.
“Their revenue … company they looked in good condition.”
No. If they would have been profitable , I seriously doubt that IBM would have let them go or at that price. Novell SUSE branch would have made a profit too.
“All companies of Suse’s size and age back then experience those problems.”
Suse is a 1992 company , in 2004 they where a 12 years old company , they are older then Red Hat.
“They also had a pretty clear direction, which is the single most important thing”
No as they where loosing more and more money. Still are.
“and which Novell doesn’t have.”
Novell dont bleed money they make more money then what they spend. They got money in the bank too.
“Hmmmm, right. And Novell’s current is….what? ”
You tell me :
Open SuSe
Yast GPL
etc …
So ???????
“SLOX was bringing in income and it was rising much faster than Groupwise.”
No. It still dont make enough money today to pay for its own R&D.
“Groupwise’s revenue has been dropping like a brick”
No , but its declining and beeing phased out.
“and I don’t know one Novell using company who uses it.”
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“By that rationale they should continue to use Netware since it brings in the income”
What make you think they stopped supporting the client that pay them for servicing there legacy netware ?
“We all know they couldn’t continue to do that.”
I know it differ greatly in what they could do and what they decided to do.
“No, it’s their attitude towards Groupwise.”
I think its what you perceive. But Novell is a conglomerate , one hand dont necessarely know what the other does.
“They’re still advocating that ‘something else'”
No.
“and they’re certainly not turning 180 degrees to anywhere.”
I disagree.
No. In order for SUSE to buy Novell they need 3+ billion. Even Red Hat dont pull that in income.
And you really think Novell was, and is, going to continue to be worth that much with two Linux competitors around and no answer to them?
No , its IBM who sold them to Novell in 2004.
No. IBM assisted, as they have relations with both companies, but it was up to Suse’s employees and the German government who held most of the shares.
No. If they would have been profitable , I seriously doubt that IBM would have let them go or at that price. Novell SUSE branch would have made a profit too.
You’ve got this rather twisted. IBM did not sell Suse in any way, nor did Suse need to get sold. Novell needed them more than Suse needed Novell. Netware was, and is, dying. That’s why. If anything Suse’s price was slightly over the odds for the size of company.
They were profitable, and had every chance of being more so, free from the political crap that goes on at Novell.
Suse is a 1992 company , in 2004 they where a 12 years old company , they are older then Red Hat.
Suse never started out as a Linux company. As a US company Red Hat got to the market first as well.
Novell dont bleed money they make more money then what they spend. They got money in the bank too.
You really are f*****g joking! Your credibility is out of the window there mate. Novell’s fixed costs are absolutely astronomical considering the revenue they bring in. They are living off that cash pile, which was not built up through sales incidentally. That’s the problem.
They still believe they’re this 80s and 90s network OS company with billions in revenue, and they’re not.
You tell me :
Open SuSe
Yast GPL
etc …
So ???????
So? What are they when they’re at home? The parts of the business Novell have to change in relation to open source software and demand are the proprietary parts like Groupwise, eDirectory and to a lesser extent Zenworks. The above software means absolutely nothing to Novell, and they’re the meaningless things Novell can open source because they don’t encroach on the turf of their other software. Novell need to confront that to survive.
No , but its declining and beeing phased out.
Right…….
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