eXpert Zone was the first to announce the release of Ubuntu and Kubuntu Hoary 5.04. “Very fresh from the ubuntu-announce mailinglist: Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 has been released! Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 features Gnome 2.10, X.org 6.8.2, faster boot process, better power management, and much, much more. Read the release notes for the complete list, and download either the live CD or the install cd here, available for various architectures. In conjunction with this release, the Kubuntu team is proud to announce the first official release of Kubuntu Hoary 5.04, featuring KDE 3.4. Download Kubuntu here.”
Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 And Kubuntu Hoary 5.04 Released
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Great news! Runnong the developer version at home! It’s one great distro! 😉 Thumbs up!
> eXpert Zone was the first to announce the release of Ubuntu and Kubuntu
I could have bet that http://ubuntulinux.org and http://kubuntu.org were the first.
Ubuntu 5.04 http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=305&slide=2…
Kubuntu 5.04 http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=2…
Actually they weren’t. The Ubuntu website was behind because they we’re updating the entire website. The first to know were the people reading ubuntu-announce.
So eXpert Zone announced them on the mailing list? Never mind, at least “eXpert Zone” got not linked.
I did an upgrade and it’s working great.
Canonical did a fantastic jog.
🙂
If you’ve running the preview/beta, you can just update with synaptic right?
what is diference between cd and dvd versions of (k)ubuntu 5.04?
dvd versions:
ubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/
kubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/dvd/
After more that 8 years of trying several distros, now I’m really happy with my Ubuntu
Thank you Canonical!!!
Sure (dist-upgrade).
It’s described in the sub-directories: “The combined install/live DVD allows you either to install Ubuntu permanently on a computer, or (by entering ‘live’ at the boot prompt) to try Ubuntu without changing your computer at all.”
live+install=1,4 GB
DVD= 2,7
There must be somthing more
Why oh why did they reverse the actions of left click and middle click in spacial nautilus?!?!?
It does contain all other supported packages, not only these on the ‘normal’ install CD, too
I haven’t really had a chance to try many of the newer Linux distros, since my Mac has really dominated my PC time since being purchased, but the buzz I was hearing about Ubuntu made me think it’d be worth my time to check it out.
I setup Ubuntu on both a Mac (older G4 Mac), and a 3Ghz P4 machine. In both cases installation was a breeze, but when I tried to install it on a newer dual G5 Mac, it failed miserably… Couldn’t even boot off the CD – I think it was likely something to do with either my dual displays, or the video system (Radeon 9600), as things would go fine until the boot process initialized my second display, and then it’d always lockup.
Similarly, once I got my P4 setup, I had to hand edit the xorg.conf file in order to enable my 2nd display.
It was easy to upgrade Ubuntu once installed though, and I actually saw KDE 3.4 for the first time doing this. Everything about Ubuntu was fairly nice, very stable, and very easy to use.
But something was missing… Speed & responsivness! True, Ubuntu was more than capable, but it reminded me of why I wrote off Redhat so long ago: Everything is apparently optimised for an x386 CPU.
I understand doing this from a marketing point of view, as your potential audience is much larger if you support every PC back to 1985, but come on… 21st Century calling here… Time to meet the demands of todays users with their 3Ghz+ boxes! I don’t expect Yoper speed here (which is the fastest distro I’ve yet seen!), but something which takes advantage of my particular setup’s advantages would be nice.
So I ended up trying out Suse 9.2, since my company had just purchased me a copy awhile ago, but I hadn’t gotten around to doing anything with it yet. Long story short, I’m using Suse 9.2 over Ubuntu.
Suse 9.2 is x586 optimized, and while I’d prefer an x686 compile (ala Yoper), the 586 opimizations make a big enough difference performance-wise to warrant using Suse 9.2 over any x386 distros, to me at least. Also, Suse 9.2 was the very 1st distro to let me setup my 2nd display using only the GUI! This alone was reason enough to switch! After trying probably 30+ distros over the years, on a variety of systems, some with single displays, some with dual displays and one card, and some with dual displays and 2 cards, Suse’s the only distro which has let me point and click my way to configuring the 2nd display of my system. Kudos to them for bringing Linux configuration into the same area of ease as Windows and OSX!
Not to mention that you get a fairly fast, well thought out Linux setup to run on. I was able to upgrade to KDE 3.4 within about 10 minutes, and voila! I’ve got a new favorite Linux distro. – 9.2 is a much better Suse than any pre-Novell versions I’d used, and is far ahead of the 9.0 release, which was the last version of Suse I’d checked out.
So while I like Ubuntu, and can understand why they’re appealing to the lowest common denominator (x386), I have to say that for those who want to take advantage of a more powerful setup, Suse is a great place to start. It’s probably also worth pointing out that Suse was also the only Linux distro I’ve used which allowed me to (fairly) easily setup my Windows-based Raid 0 configuration (Intel 875-based raid). This alone was a jaw dropper for me as I’ve never been able to see these drives in Linux, no matter how much hacking I did. Kudos to Suse for a job well done!
As for the aforementioned Yoper… I still like Yoper a lot, but have found that setting up a lot of 3rd party software can be very… troublesome on Yoper. I like the speed it brings to the table, but I found that the time I was spending in it, just to do fairly simple things, was not worth the speed increase.
Studying the .list and .manifest files I would say that all language-packages/kde-i18n*/l10*/dictionary packages are included in the DVDs.
I’ve been running the amd64 version of Hoary for the last couple of months now, and it’s excellent. Supports my Radeon 9600 with hardware 3D, and also my 108Mbps Netgear Wifi PCCard straight out of the box. It boots up to a usuable desktop in a lot shorter time than FC3 or Suse 9.2 did on the same machine. Both were amd64 versions too.
I give Hoary amd64, 8 out of 10.
What ” supported packages” means in terms of repositories ( main restricted universe multiverse) ?
… and also the -devel packages.
>Eugenia, you forgot to link to the source item.
No, I didn’t. It was submitted that way, from the exper-zone founder.
…I just downloaded the Hoary release candidate last night!
Actually, Ubuntu and Debian packages are built for i486s. Genuine i386s need to use the 486 emulation module included with the kernel.
Personally, my Centrino laptop felt faster with Debian than with my current Gentoo installation using fairly conservative flags (-march=pentium3 -O2)… It’s just sad that kdevelop isn’t properly supported in Debian sid (the kdevelop assistant crashes on startup).
If I didn’t already have Debian on four machines, I’d be using Ubuntu. This whole Sarge release fiasco on Debian has plugged up progress on the Gnome and Xorg fronts.
It would have been nice to include OO 2.0 in this release. Granted that it’s still in beta and has it’s share of bugs, but it would be worth it anyway: It’s such an improvement over 1.1
Ubuntu seems ready for prime time – kubuntu simply isn’t. This doesn’t imply that it’s a bad project (I’ve been running it since the day of the preview release, and really enjoying it), but there are still many fairly major kinks to be worked out for the KDE desktop. Calling it gold is, IMO, foolish at this point.
Also, in general, the ubuntu team needs to do something about DMA on cd/dvd drives, and something to ensure that the correct drivers are loaded at boot time. This is a problem no matter which desktop you choose to use.
Fantastic distro, but it bothers me that day count is more important to release-status than resolution of problems is.
I downloaded Kubuntu a few weeks ago and burned an iso (with Nero). It would not boot. I reburned it as a bootable data disk, and all I got was a DR-DOS screen with an A:> prompt. And I don’t even have an “A” drive.
I have successfully burned many other live CD’s. What’s the secret to burning this Kubuntu iso so it will boot?
corky2023
I think theres a package available in one of the other repositories. Shame its not GTK-beautified like the current 1.1 version.
> It would have been nice to include OO 2.0 in this release.
openoffice.org2 is available in the universe repository. You can install it additionally to the stable oo.org from main.
I am using it right now – don’t like it.
Ubuntu is nice, but Kubuntu doesn’t even have Mozilla/Firefox in it, and when I install it, it looks like crap. Hm.
good work, i may even try it.
Please, write some Ubuntu books. Advanced and newbie targetted. 🙂
Deinstall the Firefox-GNOME integration and the Plastikfox theme (http://www.polinux.upv.es/mozilla/temas.php?idioma=en).
There are both GNOME and KDE integration packages available for the OOo2 in universe.
You used the wrong option in Nero and I had the same error
try burning an “image file” under data or something
under another menu – sorry I don’t have windows in my
current machine so i can’t be more specific.
the “bootable” option is NOT what it sounds which is one
reason I hate NERO.. K3b in linux is easier and more intuitive
any day.
What u burnt is some kind of data file format.
> Ubuntu seems ready for prime time – kubuntu simply isn’t.
Nobody will argue that Kubuntu is behind Ubuntu in terms of desktop-specific documentation, further available packages and (sophisticated) integrated tools like update-notifier. But Kubuntu is usable and a big step forward compared to Debian on the desktop.
The reason Kubuntu doesn’t use Firefox (or Mozilla), and it looks like “crap” when it’s installed, is because Kubuntu *only* uses Qt-based apps, and Ubuntu *only* uses GTK apps.
Thus, not only Firefox, but other GTK apps like GIMP and Gaim are also not in Kubuntu.
There is a package to help this, but it’s name escapes me ATM.
You all have to admit however, that logo with the three kde dragons linking arms is pretty cute though 😉
I agree, it’s the best distro for this kind of CPU. But it’s not the fastest, I think because they used gcc 3.3 to compile packages.
> because Kubuntu *only* uses Qt-based apps
Not true, see OOo. Kubuntu doesn’t include GTK+ applications.
Correct. Ubuntu/Kubuntu both include standard X apps like OpenOffice.org and Xpdf.
The way I should have phrased my previous post is that Kubuntu doesn’t include GTK+ apps and Ubuntu has no Qt apps.
Why are you all praying for Ubuntu? I have tried previous version, I saw nothing special. It was slower than Mandrake, and Mandrake has all the tools for cfg, while Ubuntu has nothing…
Guys, look at Vector linux, which is based on Slackware, is FAAAASSSSTTTT, comes in 1 CD (and you have everything there) and even has cfg tools!
I am *so* glad this came out, with all these great new features, yay!
So I guess now’s not the time to be irked by the way the file manager seems broken, closing windows when I open folders; or that the menus in Open Office are unreadable.
🙁
I don’t want a distro that’s “FAST” and sucks at the same time… I want Ubuntu, that even if it’s the turtle, it will end up winning the race. 🙂 That’s not to say that Ubuntu is not fast, because it’s fast for me and for my hardware. 🙂
Hasn’t Ubuntu been a newsitem every day for the last 7 days?
First with Rc1
Next day Rc2
Next day Rc3
Next day Rc4
Next day, Alpha Beta Gamma RC X Final
Tomorrow it’ll be 5.05branch Beta Omega 2
GEez, can we just focus on the actual releases and cut some hype out of ubuntu?
> I have tried previous version, I saw nothing special.
The previous version, their first release, was honestly not much more than a Debian Unstable snapshot with a current GNOME. But Hoary catched up with most other distributions and the next release (graphical installer, SELinux, OOo2) will be even better. In short, you should really try it again and see the momentum of the last 6 months yourself.
Best.Distro.Ever.
Are all the server packages (web, FTP, etc.) be avaialble on the DVD then? Can’t seem to find a clear list of what’s on the disk and which one on the Ubuntu site.
M
Just indeed, best distro ever.
RE: OpenOffice2
1.9.77 is in the Hoary Repos. Just:
sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2-gnome
or
sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2-kde
If you want the beta, just download from the main OOo site and use ‘alien –to-deb’ to convert the RPMs.
To run GTK apps on Kubuntu with all the eyecandy try installing something called gtk-qt-engine..cant remember the exact name but search that in Synaptic and you will get it.
Thanks for pointing that out; I didn’t know they had openoffice 2 packages available.
As part of the Ubuntu Documentation team, I invite everyone to post their comments on the new release at the forums or on the lists. All Canonical employees and most developers will convene for Ubuntu Down Under on Sydney Australia on April 25-30, 2005 to talk about what happened and shape the future release of Ubuntu (Breezy Badger) 5.10 scheduled for October 2005. Your inputs will be valuable.
I like Ubuntu because it has a big repository and fresh packages/aplications and most of it is configured as i like it.
I don’t understand why some people say Ubuntu isn’t fast, I was/am a Gentoo user with nitro-sources, reiser4, nptl, and nice GCC optimizations and I must say Ubuntu isn’t as fast as my Gentoo partition but it’s fast enough for me.
I have tried Fedora Core 2 and 3 and those were way to slow for me.
Ubuntu is doing alot of effort to speedup/cache programs and in my opinion they’re going into the right direction.
BTW i use a P4 so i have no experience with the 64bit port, but i will soon
Keep up the good work Ubuntu!
Hi guys ,
can u pls suggest an IDE for C++ / java on Ubuntu Kubuntu ,
kind regards
C++: KDevelop simply rocks, you can use it for Qt, GTKmm, or whatever.
Java: while KDevelop is nice, eclipse has more features for java development.
I’ll second Amadeo’s recommendation of Eclipse. It’s a great IDE, and it isn’t hard to get it installed on Ubuntu. Check the wiki or forums; there are instructions.
Also, I understand that you can use Eclipse for C++ as well if you install the tools. I don’t know how good they are, as I tend to use emacs for C/C++.
I’m using kubuntu on my duron 700 with 160 mb of ram. Where I was using debian with fluxbox, kubuntu with a full blown environment in KDE works real fast. Did they do any optimizations from the KDE that’s packaged in debian>?
Firefox is not a gtk app
I installed kubuntu last night and have been very impressed with the results. Stable, reasonably fast and very current.
Unfortunately, not everything is perfect. It did not put my dvd in dma mode, so a trip to the command line was required for that.
The same can be said for lots of small things where Mandriva’s Control Center or Suse’s Yast comes very handy.
If they manage to include either of these tools in a future release, since they are both under the GPL, they will have a killer combination. But in terms of a community distribution, it is clearly superior to Ark Linux, which was very unstable and didn’t detect my ancient G550 Matrox videocard.
By the way, when is PCLinuxOS going to come out with a version that includes KDE 3.4? I gave my wife the livecd and she was extremely impressed with it.
I am a Mandrake user, but I am impressed with the way things are evolving for Ubuntu/Kubuntu. I still find Mandrake superior for serious stuff, particularly in the number of packages that are tested as part of contrib.
I have found maryllat and universe less reliable than contrib in Mandrake. However, if Kubuntu continues at the current rate of development and if they come up with a configuration panel, the distribution is going to rock.
And guess what?
Under Suse, firefox and openoffice use the kde widgets. That does not make them Qt apps. Get a clue!
Thanks Amadeo and chazwurth
Can u please suggest from were I can download eclipse package
as I can not get it in the repositery.
I could not figure out how to get kdevelop on kubuntu …. I saw in the kubuntu forums that kdevelop is not supported under debain releases in general and it crash …..
can u please let me know if you had working…
cheers
didi
I installed hoary on a spare partition,
it went on ok, but froze when I tried to download the updates…
fair enough
rebooted the pc and someone phoned me
ubuntu froze the pc again, while it was doing nothing
not nice…
btw – that was on a test machine which happly runs every other distro and also ubuntu warty
BUT – I did submit a bug report, rather than just come online and bitch about it
“Hasn’t Ubuntu been a newsitem every day for the last 7 days?
First with Rc1
Next day Rc2
Next day Rc3
Next day Rc4
Next day, Alpha Beta Gamma RC X Final
Tomorrow it’ll be 5.05branch Beta Omega 2
GEez, can we just focus on the actual releases and cut some hype out of ubuntu?”
Bingo.
Ubuntu is a fine distro. But the non-stop hype is getting really, really old.
I think after this release, Ubuntu’s rise will level off, and even go down a bit. Ubuntu is very good, and deserves plenty of accolades, but it’s not substantially better than a lot of other distros. It’s got strengths and weeknesses, just like any other distro.
Once the hype and trendiness dies off, Ubuntu will probably remain in the top 5 or 10 on distrowatch. But people will stop having self enduced orgasms over it. 😉
Hoary had some issues when big X/Gnome updates happened – namely big slowdowns. Did they ever clear this up? Hoary kind of turned me off on Gnome (considering it pretty slow) until I moved to Gentoo and built everything for the P4 and -O2, without any riced out CFLAGS.
Congrats to the devs and others – some promising releases
“Best.Distro.Ever.”
No. It. Isn’t.
Actually, saying which distro is “best” is very subjective and depends on the needs of the individual/organization. Ubuntu is perhaps one of the best, if not the best, simple desktop, Gnome oriented distros around.
But there are other criteria for making a distro the “best”.
Take GUI config tools, for instance. Mandrake, SuSE, Fedora, Xandros, Linspire, and Mepis are all vastly superior to Ubuntu in that department.
How about installers? Ubuntu’s text based installer is quite good, but GUI installers from Mandrake, SuSE, Fedora, Mepis, Xandros, and Linspire are all better.
How about speed? Slackware, Vector, Arch, Yoper, Damn Small are all much faster than Ubuntu, although Ubuntu is no slouch there.
How about as a development platform? Ubuntu is okay once you apt-get from the Ubuntu/Universe repositories. But Fedora, SuSE, and Mandrake all come with a vast array of development tools right out of the box.
How about plugins and drivers? While you can apt-get and config that stuff yourself without too much trouble with Ubuntu, Mepis, and packaged versions of Mandrake, SuSE, Xandros, and Linspire all have that stuff right out of the box.
How about a rock solid server that Enterprises can bank on for support? Well for that RHEL and SuSE Enterprise server best fit that bill. With Ubuntu, you can get support from Canonical or one of it’s partners (same with Debian or Slack), but those are unproven commodities. Enterprises very much want to know what to expect.
How about as a Live CD? With that, it’s best to go for the granddaddy of them all, Knoppix. Or many Kanotix. Or maybe Mepis. Or maybe MandrakeMove. Ubuntu live CD is well behind those as a useful live demo, portable distro, or rescue disk.
> I know that, but for every Qt app. you mention there is a GTK counterpart that is the same or better, by the other hand Qt apps. left much to desire,
WHAT Qt apps leave much to desire compared to gtk apps?? I can only think of two: gimp and inkscape.
Seriously though, I’d be interested in knowing a list.
Do I take it you still can’t install from the live CD? Knoppix doesn’t get mentioned much these days but it’s still the king of live-cds and you can use it to install debian. I’m not even bothering to download it (again) until they fix this.
Can you install from the running live-dvd or do you have to reboot into the text-mode installer?
The new website is something and nothing, and the branding (“linux for human beings” and the circle of grinning simpletons) is even more nausiating than ever.
WHAT Qt apps leave much to desire compared to gtk apps?? I can only think of two: gimp and inkscape.
Actually me too =).
When I installed the live CD of Kubuntu released that there where only Qt apps. except for OO.o, But the lack of the GTK apps. that I usually use wheren there, like TomeBoy (best app. for me) or XMMS (Amarok doesn’t have the simplicity and is in a diferent category) and there’s no KDE counterpart, if you are a user who doesn’t depend of GTK apps. (that is rarely), Kubuntu will like you, but If you are already used some of the Best GTK apps. around then Kubuntu will be a boring distro.
WHAT Qt apps leave much to desire compared to gtk apps?? I can only think of two: gimp and inkscape.
I just remembered GNOMEmeeting, it comes with Ubuntu but no with Kubuntu or something like it, and GStreamer that is integrated in Gnome now.
The file manager is set by default to close the parent window when you open a child. its extremely annoying! doesnt this kind of break the spatial idea?
anyway, there is a way to fix it. Go to the gconf editor (Applications/System Tools/Configuration Editor) and create a new key called no_ubuntu_spatial in /apps/nautilus/preferences.
make it a boolean key and set it to true. this will restore gnomes beautiful messy spatial mode for you to enjoy.
found this out on a developers weblog, cant remember which one. hope this helps.
WHAT Qt apps leave much to desire compared to gtk apps?? I can only think of two: gimp and inkscape.
I forgot XChat, best IRC client on Linux.
Thanks for the tip on the file manager; but why is it a hidden Gconf option?
Furthermore… why create a Gconf option (which really should be labeled “Make file manager work”) instead of just fixing the file manager to work properly? “no-ubuntu-spatial” sure is a nondescriptive label.
Anyone else seeing OpenOffice menus in unreadable colors?
Everything else seems great, by the way!!
> I forgot XChat, best IRC client on Linux.
Does nothing better than Konversation for me.
> Do I take it you still can’t install from the live CD?
Correct.
> Can you install from the running live-dvd or do you have to reboot into the text-mode installer?
You have to reboot. But what do you loose because of that when you have already downloaded the whole DVD?
Does nothing better than Konversation for me
Yeah, I guees it looks better if you are using a KDE desktop.
But is not a killer apps. to make a switch to Kubuntu.
I’ve been playing with Ubuntu on my Dual 2GHZ G5. Seems pretty snappy (even when running off of a CD!). This is the first Linux desktop distro I’ve used much in the last year or so — WOW! Linux has come a LONG way. The GNOME project seems to have been inspired quite a bit by OS X, and it shows. I wish the KDE folks all the best, but it looks like they’re more Windows oriented, and since I’m a Mac OS X fanatic, I’m putting my money on GNOME as the best alternative environment.
My mom’s upgrading from a PowerBook G4 500MHz to a new Mac Mini, so she’s going to give me the PowerBook. I think I’ll stick Ubuntu on there and have some Linux fun. Free and open source, here we come.
Jared
Is you people bitching about the hype of Ubuntu. The vast majority of people who have used Ubuntu have not looked back, and you’re the minority that just don’t “get it”.
If anything, the hype around Ubuntu can only harm the project, because people expect something amazing and when it isn’t fulfilled they fill just like they do with every release of Mandrake, SuSE, RH/Fedora and etc etc. However, with Ubuntu the very vast majority of users are very happy with it, look in their forums at the countless posts of people yelling about how “amazing” it is, “a breath of fresh air”, “things just work”.
I’m sorry if the minority of you don’t see what’s so great and refreshing about Ubuntu, but most of us do.
Ubuntu has got to be the first distro, ever, to come on the scene and just start taking things over, it really is a new alternative to Windows, the other Linux distros need to come up with an answer fast if they want to keep their distros/businesses alive.
The file manager is set by default to close the parent window when you open a child. its extremely annoying! doesnt this kind of break the spatial idea?
Funny, if I recall correctly it had the opposite setting in the last release and there was quite a bit of complaining about it.
Having tried many distros, I still have a spare partition for Ubuntu / Kubuntu when my requested CDs arrive. I see it as a Debian++, but its the huge Debian repos that I’m interested in to try out lesser known apps.
Once you get comfortable with a particular distro that works for you, its worth sticking with so I’ll probably stay with my Texstar brand of Linux.
Eu, I just saw in the PCLinuxOS forums that KDE 3.4 will move from unstable to the stable repos any day as I too am eagerly awaiting 3.4. I’m also enjoying Gnome 2.10 too, and finding it is just as well integrated & polished as KDE in PCLinuxOS.
I’m just damm grateful for all the FOSS work and wish people would leave out the subjective comparisons of DEs, cfg tools, toolkits etc. Variety is good and its (mostly) all improving continuously.
what’s sake for Ubuntu doesn’t enable root password during installation?Do you think that Ubuntu developers have forgotten?
Ubuntu has disabled Root account on purpose, so you cant run as root all the time, you have to use Sudo to access root privilages.
Interesting! Then I guess we’ll see which way causes more complaints. I’m happy to set the checkbox to the way I prefer — it’s not like it’s difficult — but I’m all for reasonable defaults, and this seems jarring to me with all these ‘dancing windows’.
Time and user exposure will tell.
It also seems that my menu font problem with Open Office is limited to my powerpc machine; my intel box works looks fine.
Err, Firefox is indeed a GTK app. Ever run ldd on the binary?
It has only a GTK+ face (when compiled with GTK+ frontend).
just like windoze!
No. Just like OSX. OSX also disabled root account. This makes a lot of sense as on normal desktop machines there’s absolutely no need to run as root. Sudo does the trick. Disabling root makes the system much, much more secure. Against user actions, that is.
You can still install the root package though.
It has only a GTK+ face (when compiled with GTK+ frontend)
Lets put it this way, FireFox compiled with GTK+ = GTK applicaton.
Gee. I have been dist-upgrading every day for a few weeks and everyday there were upgrades to perform until last night, 04/07. I was rather surprised, a freeze I thought. Well I guess what ahppened is that I am at finally the release candidate.
I was impressed with Yoper but like the fellow said you can break things with third parties easily. My expereance with ubuntu is that it is as solid as Mandrake. I mean, what distro’s other that ubuntu can tolerate the abuse I provide; hitting dist-upgrade every night. Mandrake and freebsd. I can wreck them and fix my way out but not so with red-hat, suse, yoper, xandros, slackware.
Fedora especially burns me. I have a beef there.
ubuntu!!
if anyone has managed to get ubuntu on line, using belkin usb wireless 6050, please share your skills. I have got ubuntu to use a non-wireless belkin usb nic without needing to config anything.
> > Can you install from the running live-dvd or do you have to reboot into the text-mode installer?
> You have to reboot. But what do you loose because of that when you have already downloaded the whole DVD?
You lose knowing that the setup you install will work properly. A live CD, when installed should work just as it did before installation – an install CD is a more hit-and-miss affair.
You also lose having a gui, which is bad when the installer dumps you into a partition manager if you don’t accept the default (which is wipe the disk). Not something I’d recomend to someone moving from Windows or OSX.
How useless.
If you want to be taken seriously on the desktop, basic things like this need to be included. Windows does it, OS X does it, why not Linux?
And don’t tell me to apt-get or compile or whateverthefuck, shit like this needs to be INCLUDED.
I have no idea why, but the latest version of pppoeconf generates a dsl-provider file that my isp just doesnt like. After fiddling with it for awhile, I just did a warty base install, dist-upgraded to hoary, and did an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. Got a working setup, but thats one hell of a workaround (and really impressed the hell out of me, kudos to debian for not only making that kind of thing possible, but easy). No clue if this is a common problem or not, but i highly recommend backing up /etc/ppp before upgrading to the hoary pppd.
what you fail to understand is that the programmers who write this software, do it because they have ethical issues with existing environments. MP3 is patented, and with the free alternatives out there, what you see here is encouragement to use those alternatives.
That being said, you dont need to apt-get or compile to install software in ubuntu. If you go to your system administration menu, you will see “Package Manager”. go into it, and install gstreamer0.8-plugins for support for pretty much everything you will run accross, or just gstreamer0.8-mad for only mp3 support. Alternately, you could use a music player that doesnt use gstreamer such as xmms.
Joe Sixpack doesn’t care or even know about OGG, so it becomes irrelevent. If people want Linux to enter the mainstream, programers are going to have to loose the whole ‘free speech’ bullshit and tailor distros for the masses.
Also, how the hell is one supposed to know that “gstreamer” = MP3 support?
RE: Windows does it
sigh…to respond to a troll. no windows doesn’t do it. in fact, windows really doesn’t come with much in the codec/multimedia department. no mp3 support, quicktime, real, divx, dvd, etc etc. you have to download and install them post install. at least in linux there’s often an easier way to do it all (such as with apt)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe Windows 98 with mplayer2 was able to play MP3s.
lol, good comeback, win98. I’m sure a lot of people are installing that still.
Stop the FUD and get a clue. OPEN SOURCE, I applaud groups like debian/ubuntu rh/fedora that don’t include “NON-Free” crap. Besides, mp3’s sound like crap compared to high quality ogg or just strait flac.
Well shoot, I just tried it and it didn’t work…
But I know WMP7 or whatever comes with 2000 and XP does.
ah yes, I stand corrected. if I remember correctly, it did pretty poorly however, which is why people will often, if not usually, download something like winamp to get decent support. xp sounds like it has support too in media player. I still stand by my point however that windows media support, in terms of codecs and such, out of box, is itself fairly lacking.
thing is though, you obviously are missing the point of free software and what motivates it. may sound like bullshit to you, but these little ideas like software freedom and such are important to many of us. if you don’t care for such things, fine. but then don’t gripe if for instance ALL linux distros stopped their free downloads, and insisted on charging you licensing fees to use their software, as in the case of windows and apple. that’s the difference here.
I have never met a Windows hack that purchased all the software he was running on his PC …. I find it completely unbelievable… Especially the hacks that troll around here. And I bet they did’t pay for winamp or winzip or spybot or adblocker or firefox.
They simply oppose Linux Free software.
“How useless.
If you want to be taken seriously on the desktop, basic things like this need to be included. Windows does it, OS X does it, why not Linux?
And don’t tell me to apt-get or compile or whateverthefuck, shit like this needs to be INCLUDED.”
This is all dependant on the distro, you knucklehead.
Packaged versions of Mandrake, SuSE, Xandros, Lycoris, Linspire, and Mepis all have this stuff INCLUDED, right out of the box.
The catch is that you have to pay for a packaged version of a distro. That is a fair trade-off. It costs money for the distro to include proprietary drivers and plug-ins (plus their are legal commitments), so they charge for the versions that include the proprietary drivers and plug-ins.
Ubuntu, as well as Fedora Core and pure Debian, does not include the proprietary drivers and plug-ins, because it remains 100% free. But they do make it relatively easy to download and install the proprietary drivers and plug-ins (which is legal, depending on the location of the repository).
And seeing as how Windows and OSX are both relatively expensive ($120-$300), paying for a $70 packaged version of Mandrake (for instance), which comes with tons of software bundled (up to a $2000 value in the Windows or OSX worlds), and thus getting the proprietary drivers and plug-ins installed and configured by default, is a TREMENDOUS VALUE.
So don’t spew away that Windows and OSX are better because of drivers and plugins. Get the facts first.