This past week, Linspire showed the first public demo of Linspire Five-0. I was lucky enough to play with it for the last week, and within, you’ll find a detailed walkthrough of what’s new with Linspire.
I’ve had the chance to use each version of Linspire (which, until recently, was known as LindowsOS) since version 2. My reviews of each version have been published here on osnews.com, and with each one, I pointed out the strengths and weaknesses I saw. Before I go into detail, I like to point out that the version we were provided for review was Beta IV, and therefore may contain some bugs that will be ironed out before general release.
Linspire Five-0 boots to a simple prompt that asks if you want to install to the hard drive or run “Linspire Live!” from CD. The installation is extremely straightforward, and I’m happy to say that this time around, Linspire offers advanced disk configuration options. Like in Linspire 4.0, you have to prep a partition ahead of time or take over the entire disk at install. I experienced a problem here – the Linspire installer didn’t see the undefined space in the extended partition on my primary hard drive, and consequently, I ended up nuking one of my valid Windows partitions. While this was clearly my oversight and my fault, I do want to point out that after selecting the partition in the install, the installer never once confirmed which partition I had selected. Since this is not the place one should be messing around, I’d recommend the Linspire developers make the confirmations a little more verbose.
Let’s dig right into it, shall we? These days, many people have “distribution fever,” constantly upgrading and trying new distros every month or week. In time, the experiences begin to bleed together – they all have similar look and feel, and other than a signature application or a custom wallpaper, too many are identified by their window manager, theme, and package manager. Linspire Five-0 throws a fork into that notion.
Linspire Five-0 comes with a new custom theme, Linspire Clear, designed with the assistance of Everaldo Coehlo of Crystal fame. Upon first use, you’re greeted with a Flash tutorial that helps guide you through general Linspire use. Unfortunately, at least in this beta version, most of the Flash tutorials refer to the OS as LindowsOS and show the LindowsOS 4 desktop. Linspire’s desktop is based on KDE 3.3.2 on Xorg 6.8.1, several GTK+ apps, and Mozilla. The desktop, while fairly cluttered, is very nice looking and immediately, you’ll see that the “L” button has been replaced with an attractive, clickable Launch button.
I was upset to see that not only did sound not work on either of my test systems, my home system’s Nvidia Quaddro 4 was not properly detected, and therefore, I was stuck at 1024×768 on my 17″ flat panel. All other hardware appeared to work. The two systems I tested Linspire Five-0 on were: PIII 600, 256MB SD RAM, Riva TNT2 16MB video, Soundblaster Live Value; and Dell Precision, Dual PIII 1.8Ghz Xeons, 1GB DDR SDRAM, Nvidia Quaddro 4 video, Soundblaster Live! sound.
One notices, after just a minute or two of clicking around, that not only are menus semi-transparent, but they all cast dropshadows for a very cool effect. One strange behavior I found with menu transparency is that sometimes, in some applications, moving from menu to menu leaves a residual effect from the previous menu as illustrated. I hope this behavior is ultimately remedied, understanding that pulling off this effect is likely the work of several programs between Linspire, KDE, Xorg, and more. Dropshadowing in Linux is still pretty rare, and is not always very effective. Here, the shadows under windows temporarily disappear as the window is dragged and are instantly replaced when the windows is dropped or docked for a fairly convincing effort. I was impressed, as this is the first distro I’ve used to pull off dropshadowing believably.
Aside from the custom theme, Linspire is packed with new applications, chief among them, Lphoto, Lsongs, Nvu, and Ltorrent. Lsongs, put bluntly, is an iTunes-like music manager for Linux. While some apps already exist to pull this function off, Ltunes is a fairly familiar-seeming interface. After importing my music into my “Media Library,” I was able to skim through my music with great ease. There are still some tripping points. For example, in true Linux fashion, it thought that “Alice in Chains” was a different band than “Alice In Chains” (note the capital I.) Overall, Lsongs is a very cool application that, with the rise of the iPod, is necessary for a true Linux desktop, however, clearly has a few kinks to work out.
Lphoto is a great application too. Lphoto feels almost exactly like Google’s recently released Picasa 2. Importing photos is dead simple, there are touch-up tools including a red eye remover. There’s a slideshow preview, an HTML generator, and an album organizer, all of which can be exported to a CD, but as far as I saw, not to DVD through Lphoto yet (note that K3b, which is included, can write DVDs.) Lphoto is really a nice looking application withh nearly all of the features I’d want from a photo management application.
Now, burning a DVD was fairly easy using K3b. While burning a DVD, however, the system was fairly slow. I’m told that there is a lot of extra debugger scripts running in the beta versions, and so much of the hit is in system speed. I’m hoping the slowness was the result of this.
On the subject of DVDs, I could not find a way to play any DVDs on my Linspire system. I later discovered that in order to download the Linspire DVD Player, one must cough up another 4.95. This price goes up to 9.95 on previous versions of Linspire, and $39.95 for a standalone download (yes, apt-get works when configured and therefore, plenty of questionable codecs are available, but for the sake of review, there is no other way to play DVDs.) Now, loading your DVD into the drive, manually opening Konqueror, drilling into the VIDEO_TS folder, and double-clicking a .vob file (or dragging it into Kplayer), you’ll find it will play provided it’s not encrypted (most discs are). Of course, we can all agree that this is a ridiculous way for a DVD to work, and of course, it will only play the .vob file you click on. How can this be that a commercial OS doesn’t include DVD playback?
Nvu is the so-called rival of Microsoft’s Front Page and Macromedia’s Dreamweaver. While it may certainly be a groundbreaking application for Linux, its benefit is truly for those that are comfortable with Front Page. I am much more comfortable in Bluefish, which is geared towards more technical coders. While Bluefish, as well as the popular Quanta+, is understandably absent from Linspire, they are both available via Click-N-Run, as well as many other web authoring applications. Nvu is a huge step, however, towards user friendly applications that don’t presume that the user is technically proficient. While this is sure to offend some, I believe it to be a good thing for desktop Linux in general.
Ltorrent is a very cool new application for managing BitTorrent downloads. As far as I can tell, it’s based on the console only btqueue, and is currently a Linspire only application. With the rise of BitTorrent, it’s a nice inclusion. However, since there is no FTP client installed by default, I think it’s odd that this application is included. Seems strange to me that one would assume a Linspire user would need a torrent tracker but not an FTP client. This seems to be a poor choice. Since the app, which is a nice app, by the way, was developed in house, they bundled it. My feeling is that it doesn’t quite fit. Linspire suffers from an identity crisis here. They can choose to be slimmed down and provide an experience akin to that of Windows, or they can bundle some more advanced applications. However, they can’t bundle just a select few advanced applications and expect people not to complain that fairly standard Linux apps are missing.
On that front though, Linspire has improved over their previous versions. This version includes OpenOffice.org, the screenshot tool, the standard proprietary tools (Flash, MP3, Real Player) preinstalled, and gaim for IM’ing amongst others. However, again, and this has been a complaint for many versions now – Linspire is still light on software when compared to other Linux distributions. Although clearly the goal is to lure people away from Windows, Linspire is not established enough to not view projects/products like Fedora, Mandrake, and SUSE as competitors. In this sense, the value is simply not realized. It’s not fair to only consider, say, Xandros and Lycoris as viable desktop Linux alternatives. Here’s my proposed solution: If the goal for Linspire was to keep it slim to improve install time and disc weight, there should be an obvious portion of Click-N-Run that stores a number of free applications. There’s no room for another OS that doesn’t offer the basics. OS X comes with iLife now. To compete with Windows, you’ll need to offer not just more, but better and easier.
One thing that I found strange was the choice as Mozilla proper (Seamonkey) as the default web browser. It has been rebranded “Linspire Internet Suite.” While Firefox is available in the Click-N-Run store (along with Opera, Galeon, and others), I find it plain annoying that Mozilla is present as the default. Nearly everyone I know uses Firefox, even people on Windows, and I would think Windows users contemplating a switch to Linux would be more at home with Firefox, which they may well be running already, versus Mozilla, which, truth be told, feels like a mess. I haven’t actually used Mozilla since Firefox was still Phoenix, but going back makes me remember why I ditched it in the first place.
Of course, no Linspire review is complete without mention of Click-N-Run. These days, the CNR method, pioneered, or least least first delivered, by Linspire, is more common. Xandros Networks is pretty much the same concept. However, the way Linspire has chosen to split software into subcategories and organize the menus similarly into “aisles” is a pretty good idea. Though not new to Linspire Five-0, it is a good holdover concept that I think it great. The only problem I see is that there is no obvious way to uninstall software, which seems like something many users would one day want. In addition to there not being any visible menu editor, and the right-click disabled on the “Launch” menu, there’s no way to get unwanted programs out of the menu. If one were to go crazy one night in the Click-N-Run warehouse, they might find themselves stuck with a fairly bloated menu.
Continuing that thought though, it’s not very hard to turn Linspire into a fully functioning Debian Sid machine. By simply opening /etc/apt/sources.list in KWrite and uncommenting two lines, you unlock quite a bit of power. A few minutes later I had Firefox, gFTP, Bluefish, and Synaptic running with no effort and no subscription. Installing them via apt-get from the terminal, they showed up with no effort in the Launch menu. A simple apt-get remove xmms removed it from my system as expected and from the Launch menu. Of course, once you have resorted to using raw apt-get, what’s the point of Click-N-Run?
I’d like to note that while Linspire attempts to mount NTFS partitions, it did not properly mount my largest NTFS partition on a second hard drive, yet strangely, Linspire Live!, the fully functional if not slower live CD portion, did. Very frustrating, as a minute or two of tinkering with mount and umount still left me with an apparently “blank” drive.
One can’t use or review Linspire without a little knowledge of the company itself and what it does. There’s a strong community around Linspire, there are active forums, and there is even support line you can call (which I did and I reached a recording with several useful tips on the weekend). Linspire has contributed to Wineconf, and this just last week was a sponsor of the Linux Desktop Summit. Linspire is doing a lot to push desktop Linux, and I think it’s important for many to realize that recently, Linspire has probably delivered more via new desktop applications than most other distributions.
To sum up: Linspire Five-0 is definitely a good base from which to build. The lack of well rounded applications when compared to other OSes in its class leave me wanting more, however, a slick look, some powerful Linspire specific apps, and a non-crippled undercarriage remain appealing.
Linspire Five-0 is definitely an exciting distribution. While this beta version has plenty of snags, it’s one of the most exciting distributions out there, because it delivers so many unique experiences. A custom theme, several new and powerful apps, a solid Debian base, and ready and friendly support should make Linspire an attractive option to new Linux converts. For the seasoned, Linspire brings an easy and familiar desktop and great new apps, and should be worth the value if you forgo the CNR membership in favor of apt-get and the Debian repositories.
Installation: 8/10
Hardware Support: 6/10
Ease of use: 9/10
Features: 8/10
Credibility: 7/10
Speed: 8/10
Overall: 7.66
The early beta version is quite good, but I won’t judge until it will materialize into the final with support and the like.
While the screenshots I have seen of Linspire, both 4.5, and the new 5.0 beta, don’t inspire me too much, I have to say that it does seem that Linspire does walk the open source walk. They do seem to be doing their bit to support the development of open source apps (like Nvu)… so at least they are giving back. Good on them.
I just wonder if the mentioned “pay” apps make playing DVDs in Linux legal just like how TurboLinux did with 10F? I know it is quite easy to do this on any Debian system (although results are not always the same), but I was just wondering about how Linspire took this approach.
Linspire has paid all the royalties for their commercial DVD playing program, so everything is legal.
Also, Linspire does in fact have the ability to play DVDs by default, just not locked DVDS, such as The Matrix and pretty much every other DVD movie.
Linspire does a great deal to promote open source and further desktop Linux as a viable platform, it is amazing to me that it is still necessary to mention it. For a young company that has yet to turn a profit they are doing more than any other commercial distribution I know of. It’s a shame that their reputation in the F/OSS community does not mirror their contributions.
http://info.linspire.com/opensource/
Linspire does in fact have the ability to play DVDs by default, just not locked DVDS,
Thanks Alex. I’ve added that note to the part about DVDs.
The reason you couldn’t mount the second “NTFS” drive, is that from your first screenshot, it’s clear that the second disk, is a Microsoft Dynamic Disk. That’s not the same as “simple” Disk Layout..
I believe you’re mistaken about the “no ftp client”. The reason they didn’t include a dedicated ftp client is because they already have two that are very serviceable: Mozilla and Konqueror. Without a bittorent client there would be no way to access a torrent, but ftp can easily be used using the above apps.
I thought the review was good and fair. I have been using Linspire since it was Lindows and I also run red hat on another machine.
The point that I think the review missed, just the reference by the reviewer of having to do some hand install/uninstall of products, is that Linspire is trying to make the Linux system idiot proof and usable by anyone. People complain MS crap is allover and Linux is better. I agree Linux is 10 times better. But what the Linux community needs to understand if they ever wish to see it overpower MS, is that it has to be EASY! This is what Linspire is trying to do. Not everyone is techie and can or wants to manually have to go make mods to get something working. Besides that to try to tell a consumer there are 5+ variations of Linux confuses the hell out of them.
So with any luck Linspire will continue to improve and people will start using it on their desktops instead of MS. 🙂 The only reason MS ever got adopted is they did a good job of copying Apple’s UI. Without that, they would still be trying to get market share with MS-DOS 🙂 So think of it like this — Linux has in the past and even up till Linspire — been like MS-DOS to the general consumer. Linspire now is becoming better then Windows and can bring Linux into the mass market….
Just my 2 cents. Also I am just a fan of Linspire and have no vested interested in the company other then to see it wipe MS’s marketshare away 🙂 🙂
Rob, that was just an oversight of the reviewer. It is quite easy to uninstall software through CNR.
Simply right click an installed product in the “My Products” or “Status” sections and you have the option to uninstall with a single mouse click. You may also choose to add to autorun, add a desktop shortcut or perform other tasks through the right click menu.
The reviewer also has a minor typing error:
“These days, the CNR method, pioneered, or least least first delivered, by Linspire, is more common.”
There shouldn’t be two “least” in that sentence.
I’ve tried Linspire 4.5 and one of my largest annoyances was the inability to uninstall applications provided in the base install through click-n-run or some other easy/documented utility [“easy/documented” as in you’d know about this utility from Linspire and not from being familiar with Debian and Apt]. Its quite ironic that while linux users complain that the basic end-user can’t remove IE from windows, I found it just as impossible for a basic end-user to uninstall the Mozilla Seamonkey Suite from Linspire. Its really too bad that hasn’t changed in Five-O.
Overall I like these kinds of distributions, and what they are trying to accomplish. However when certain basic things are hard to do like uninstalling base software in Linspire, or sharing a file/directory in Ubuntu, it gives the overall feeling that the user is placed in some kind of candy-coated-sandbox to make Linux user friendly.
I clicked the first screenshot without reading anything and went “HOLY SHIT this is SUCH a Windows-GUI RIPOFF, they should be SUED!”.. And after a while my newly-woken-up mind understood that i was looking at a Windows screenshot.
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Haha, funny how the mind works at 07am.
I wouldn’t recommend using apt-get with Linspire as it will break CNR, making it impossible to properly update the OS and receive future upgrades. I think libc6 is one of the main show-stoppers here. If you use Linspire you’re pretty much locked into the $ubscription CNR service.
Thanks for taking a look at Linspire Five-0.
I’d like to give some additional information that might prove useful to your readers about this BETA version.
1. Thanks for mentioning that this is a Beta version. In fact, Beta V is already out and is the version we handed out at the Desktop Linux Summit. There are still several changes to come before the final release. For example, some of the sound, NTFS mounting, video and other hardware issues you have we know won’t be a problem in the final release.
2. All of the Tutorials have been redone for Five-0 but were not included yet in Beta IV, so yes, you were looking at the old ones.
3. The DVD is $4.95 via CNR because we have to pay royalties for the licensed codecs.
4. We wanted to include a Bittorrent client right inside the OS, because we’re doing some cool things with Bittorrent here at Linspire and our users will appreciate being able to use some of the new things we’ll be doing with just one click because it’s now built into the OS. As for FTP, that is built into our file manager, and several dedicated FTP clients are available via CNR (click n run).
5. As for not having more software in the core OS, that’s VERY MUCH intentional. WE HATE BLOAT! BLECH!!! We don’t like shipping with 5 IM clients, 3 web browsers, 5 media players, etc. etc. etc. We INTENTIONALLY keep Linspire light with the core, basic applications most everyone will need. HOWEVER…we also offer around 2,000 other software programs that can be installed WITH JUST ONE CLICK using CNR. Keep in mind, that ANY Linspire user can register for a free 14-day CNR trial. So, a user can simply install Linspire (in about 10 minutes), and then over the next 14 days, use CNR to their hearts content to add anything they think might be missing (their favorite FTP client, different browser, different email client, etc.). Heck, they can install all 2,000 apps for all we care! Once their 14-day trial is over, they keep all the software they’ve installed. We think this is a much cleaner approach than installing a bunch of software the user may never use. Does he really need FIVE email clients??? =)
6. If you want Firefox, you can simply install it with CNR. However, there are a lot of nice features in the Linspire Internet Suite that are not yet in Firefox, such as in-line spell checking (for example, as I make this post, Linspire corrects my spelling AS I TYPE and even offers suggestions on how to spell words properly), Hot Words, MailMinder, etc. We’ve made over 100 improvements to Mozilla that are not yet in Firefox. Firefox still has some catching up to do in many areas before we’ll use it as the default. My guess is that by the time we release Linspire 6.0, Firefox will be up to speed with all the enhancements we’ve made to our Internet Suite as well as Thunderbird be ready for use as a default email client. We’re working with the Mozilla developers to try and bring all the enhancements we’ve made to web browsing and email to Firefox and Thunderbird. Yes, Firefox is better than IE and stock Mozilla, but it doesn’t have all the features yet of our Internet suite.
7. Uninstalling software with CNR is super easy. Simply launch CNR, click on the “My Products” tab which will list all software you have installed on your machine, highlight the program you want to uninstall, and click on the Uninstall button. CNR will then uninstall the software, remove it from the menus, desktop icons, etc. CNR installs, updates and uninstalls software with one click.
I hope this helps clear up a few things.
Thanks,
Kevin Carmony
President, Linspire, Inc.
There exists almost no forward thinking in the Linux community. Everything is a horrible 2nd class rip-off of Windows. Here’s a hint: When you constantly copy off somebody else, you’ll always be at least one step behind who you’re copying off of. Currently Windows is 4 years behind. This makes you 5 years behind, MINIMALLY! I’m sorry, after all these years, KDE still looks chintzy. Switch to GNOME for heaven’s sake!
So, it is false claim that all there is no modern comercial OS without DVD playback. Almost all OSes is – because of royalities.
“How can this be that a commercial OS doesn’t include DVD playback?”
Rather like the way WinXP doesn’t include a DVD player then?
That’s caused by how the fake transparency feature of KDE works. It takes a snapshot of the underlying area before opening the (next) menu.
..sick of seeing comments like this..
“When you constantly copy off somebody else, you’ll always be at least one step behind who you’re copying off of.”
What exactly has KDE ripped off? What of Windows/OSX/(insert OS of choice here) is actually original and/or unique? Seen shots of Longhorn recently? Remind you of anything?
To say one OS is a RIPOFF of another is just self-delusional. They ALL copy from each other. Always have. Always will.
Wakeupneo wrote:
..sick of seeing comments like this..
“When you constantly copy off somebody else, you’ll always be at least one step behind who you’re copying off of.”
What exactly has KDE ripped off? What of Windows/OSX/(insert OS of choice here) is actually original and/or unique? Seen shots of Longhorn recently? Remind you of anything?
To say one OS is a RIPOFF of another is just self-delusional. They ALL copy from each other. Always have. Always will.
Really? NeXTStep/Openstep comes to mind as an example of an OS designed ahead of its time so much so that people either loved it or despised it.
OS X has a ways to go to leverage stuff NeXT worked on but never released. Steve has the enviable position of so much forward thinking he can slowly add it.
Other companies don’t have this luxury so yes Linux/Windows worlds do copy and often poorly the ideas of NeXT and now Apple.
GNUstep is not NeXTstep though the folks are doing great working reaching many of its abilities. Kind of hard to hire Keith Ohlfs on beer.
NeXTstep allowed one to switch seemlessly between a single office system to a global network. Nothing like working at NeXT and being able to log into any system to get some work you need for say a support call, a client demonstration or group collaboration without having to drop everything and return to your system. This of course has to do with the design of one’s network but what Apple can demonstrate, for the Enterprise and more is that its operating system works around the network design instead of designing the network around the operating system.
“On the subject of DVDs, I could not find a way to play any DVDs on my Linspire system. I later discovered that in order to download the Linspire DVD Player, one must cough up another 4.95.”
Oh the horror! Who could possibly fathom the concept of having to pay for software in the Linux world? This is exactly why the commercial software makers won’t touch Linux with a 40 foot pole. Everyone wants everything for free.
“Of course, we can all agree that this is a ridiculous way for a DVD to work, and of course, it will only play the .vob file you click on. How can this be that a commercial OS doesn’t include DVD playback?”
Yes. All of us. We surveyed the planet and found that 5 billion people all agreed with the author. It makes perfect sense to me why Lindows would want to make their commercial DVD product a separate purchase just see point 1 above. If they included it in the OS by default everyone would pirate the shite out of it and Lindows would be paying millions in licensing fees for the commercial DVD codecs. It’s really not that big of a deal to spend $5 bucks on a DVD player is it?! If it is –then you can kiss goodbye all hope that a company like Adobe is going to come along and make a Linux version of Photoshop.
I agree, it’s silly that any modern, user-friendly OS wouldn’t come with a DVD player. The fact that Windows XP doesn’t either doesn’t make it acceptable, and average users can much more easily install a free player on Windows than on Linux.
Linspire should at least include a free player like VLC, or a function to install such a player if there’s some reason they can’t put it on the disc.
Also, it looks like Linspire is making laudable progress with their “L” suite. But to be honest, the screenshot for Lphoto looks awful. They really need to polish the interface, it looks nowhere near as nice and usable as iPhoto or Picasa, even if the functionality is buried there somewhere.
one thing which I have always wonder is why there are so big & so many icons on taskbar by default?
Have a look at any screen shot from this article. (is applicable to almost all mainstream distros)
it really kills if you have a 15″ monitor. (not everyone can afford 19″ & there are people out there who can use money saved on monitor for important things)
atleast they should give the windows like quicklaunch grouping out of the box or you should be given a choice of lite or enhanced taskbar at the welcome tutorial
just my thoughts
“It’s really not that big of a deal to spend $5 bucks on a DVD player is it?!”
It’s an extra, needless step that costs time and money when there are already free, reverse-engineered Linux DVD players available. You may not mind paying $5, but it’s still a valid complaint for many people.
“If it is –then you can kiss goodbye all hope that a company like Adobe is going to come along and make a Linux version of Photoshop.”
Playing a DVD is trivial. Doing complicated design work is not trivial, and professionals will always pay for the tools they need. The comparison between the two is moot.
“…there are already free, reverse-engineered Linux DVD players available.”
In other words: ILLEGAL IN THE US right? What commercial company is going to install this in their OS and paint a target on their forehead so they can get sued into oblivion by the MPAA and the DVD-CCA?
From the screenshots, the desktop is still ugly and cheap-looking. I think they need to hire some better designers, or at least take a closer look at the Xandros desktop. Heck, Fedora looks 10 times better. It’s still a beta though, so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
I also agree that including Firefox instead of “Internet Suite (Mozilla)” would be a better idea. Firefox is starting to become well known, and has continuously been praised in the news. The Internet Suite seems redundant.
I love Lsongs and Lphoto. They are great projects for Linspire to be working on and it’s cool that they’re giving back to the community. I’m very surprised I haven’t seen them included in other distributions.
G’day Marc,
I understand and agree with what you’re saying. But, I was looking at it from more of a ‘look-and-feel’ perspective, rather than the technologies behind the GUI. The repetitive comments about how the Gnome (less so nowadays) and KDE Gui’s are a direct ripoff of Windows is getting a bit old…
Anyway, on topic, I downloaded and tried Linspire 4.5 when OSNews ran an offer a while back. Not bad, but Suse is a bit more to my taste. I do, however, need a distro to push to friends who ask me about taking the Linux plunge for the first time. Looks like Linspire 5.0 might be worth considering for this purpose.
Cheers.
You cannot include VLC (or any other unauthorized program that circumvents DVD encryption) as parrt of a core distribution, if you are based in a country like the United States that has laws like the DMCA. You’d be shut down so fast your head would spin.
Same goes for other patent encumbered media codecs, like mp3 audio.
Why in an apple zealots eyes is everyone just ripping off apple? Everyone to them is just stealing ideas left and right from apple. Next you will say apple used preemptive multitasking and smp before anyone else.
Anyone know if it supports ‘g’ type wireless pci cards. I installed Linspire 4.5 on my PC but can’t get the wireless to work. Can’t work out how to use nswrapper with an .exe driver either.
which kernel does linuspire 5 use ?
Roger, I vaguely recall that there is a way to extract the .inf and .sys files out of the windows drivers installer in linux, i just don’t know how. Keep searching, I think there’s a way to do it.
Mmmm Linspire… I used to kind of like them when they first showed up, but that enthousiasm got tempered as soon as I saw the setbacks of KDE (before I start a flamewar: my personal setbacks). Years ago, I had the time to dive into the plethora of options KDE presents you with; these days I just want a DE that works out-of-the-box without tweaking; that’s why I prefer Gnome these days.
I don’t agree with the people saying that Linspire should switch to Gnome, but I do understand them. For computer-illeterates, Linspire’s market after all, Gnome is better suited. However, Linspire is a KDE-centric distro and it should stay that way. They’d have to redo their entire distro if they switch to Gnome.
Then again, who am I?
They’d have to redo their entire distro if they switch to Gnome.
Heh, you started the flamewar…not me
I don’t care what they do, one way or the other since I’m happy with Hoary, but what would preclude them from taking Ubuntu and building from that? Mandrake did it with RedHat and debian is already the meta-distro.
It probably doesn’t make business sense right now and they do have a huge amount of non-stock KDE infrastructure written, but who knows.
Slowly, but surely, the unix world is moving to Gnome anyway.
Does linspire still makes the root as default and only user?
good, i hope Linspire is a thorn in both bill gates & steve ballmers side, i hope they both have nightmares of giant penguins marching on msft’s redmond campus…
the new Reiser FS?
> For computer-illeterates, Linspire’s market
> after all, Gnome is better suited.
That’s nonsense. A well-preconfigured KDE (I don’t talk about the default settings delivered by the KDE team) is superior in terms of being appealing to new users. This is the reason why most newbies prefer KDE and this is also the reason why it’s the prefered desktop for all non-geek desktop distributions.
Of course everybody and every distribution has got its very own ideas of how a desktop might appeal to new users.
So every distribution ends up with adding their own settings and modifications. KDE provides a very modular and consistent framework and delivers technologies (like Kiosk e.g.) that make it extremely easy to significantly change or limit any desktop behaviour down to your needs.
KDE provides a very flexible desktop that allows modifications in a simple and very cost-effective way to meet the desktop vision of the respective distributor (or migration project).
While I am not the type that would ever consider using Linspire, the distro has come a long way and and has some impressive features.
On the dvd subject, while I understand the issue and commend Linspire’s stance, I think the problem with paying extra to play them is that people have already payed for the dvds and expect them to just work. The current setup would be like paying for Adobe Photoshop, and then having to pay a license on top of that to use anything that you actually create.
Wireless support is MUCH improved in Linspire 5.0.
Superb!
I’m sick of having to turn on my old imac just to share it’s broadband connection (the base station sits downstairs)
As an OS X user wanting to learn Linux, I think I’m nearly there with Linspire. For starters it is the fiorst one to install with very few issues. I was well impressed at how most things work, and work well. Finally a Linux OS for dummies. Looking forward to 5
Thanks Lumbergh, I’ll keep looking!
Linspire CNR $50/yr
If you buy any PC with windows OS it is only $50 more than without OS. eg walmart $250 and $300 PCs or even laptops.
and then I have to worry about hardware compatibility and maybe buy another piece of printer for $100 just to suit Linspire?
I use debian and apt-get install …/unstable works very well.
So what is the magic linspire holds for $50/yr………..???
For the gazillionth time:
Windows does not include DVD playback either.
Some IP consortium wants big bucks for DVD decoding.
With Linspire, that’s $4,95. Sounds like a bargain (ever tried to buy PowerDVD?)
Frankly it smells that DVD hardware always comes with Windows-only DVD playing software.
Not including DVD software in a distribution is inevitable for any Linux distribution that wants to remain close to its open roots. The ease with which Linspire makes DVD playback accessible, should be complimented, not complained about. The only easier option may be Apple’s OS X.
Slowly, but surely, the unix world is moving to Gnome anyway.
Evidence?
GNOME: RedHat, Fedora, Sun JDS, Ubuntu
KDE: Mandrake, Suse, Linspire, Xandros, Libranet
What other major distros are out there which default to one or the other?
For the gazillionth time:
Windows does not include DVD playback either.
Windows XP was released in 2000. That’s no longer acceptable. Does Windows Media Center Edition play DVDs? Let’s see if Longhorn comes with DVD decoding.
Ayway, Linux needs to be better than Windows, not just ounce for ounce the same. That won’t get people to switch.
Note that iTunes also sees different capitalization as two different things. It would be have the same as your example.
At least, as far as I can remember w/o having a mac here to double check.
but I lost my temper up there when this reviewer again complained about the lack of DVD software. Has he never heard the story about decss, the MPAA and the Norwegian hacker who was dragged into court?
Other than that: nice preview. I second the question about ReiserFS 4.
From the aticle:
“my home system’s Nvidia Quaddro 4 was not properly detected, and therefore, I was stuck at 1024×768 on my 17″ flat panel.”
When is the last time you installed Windows and it detected and setup your monitor with the latest and correct driver, your prefered resolution and color depth? uhh NEVER?
When is the last time you installed Windows and it detected and setup your monitor with the latest and correct driver, your prefered resolution and color depth? uhh NEVER?
Let’s see… that would be when I installed Windows XP about TWO YEARS AGO.
did a quick test, not only does itunes see “Against Me!” and “Against me!” as the same artist, when it sorts it will put the bouncing souls in the b’s, and the strokes in the s’s.
windows out of the box hardware support is unbelievably bad. not only that, it will barely play anything. i have never had the codec issues in linux that i have had in windows. some distros dont have dvd playback, others dont have mp3 playback, but that is two codec related installs, and you rarely have any hassles with them again. windows on the other hand is a nightmare with such things, im still not sure if its better to track everything down yourself or use one of the “codec packs” that are floating around, ive had big issues with both. same thing with drivers, i only need to download and install one driver, and that doesnt even need a reboot. on windows, its virtually every piece of hardware in my machine.
Muine does this too in GNOME.
To sort things up a bit. Libranet’s default is IceWM, not KDE.
KDE is available on one of the cd’s just as xfce, E, Gnome and others…
— Vecchio
Is that why Libranet is still stuck in KDE 3.1 and Gnome 2.4? I abandoned the platform because it refused to progress. The developers are really lazy on that one.
Well, a very expensive distribution with software you can install on every Linux box. NVU is just mozilla composer+.
The other apps are rip-offs.
Why not buy a Suse and get a full-featured Linux desktop?
Flame on kily01. Your comments are typically of someone who has no idea about WHY Linspire does business or who they target. Plus, I suggest you do your research before you decide to flame the message board with completely untrue accusations.
‘Nuff said…
Wolf asked:”Does linspire still makes the root as default and only user?”
AFIAK this stopped with 4.5. It was a bad hack though, requiring a work-around to dial-out for user accounts. Connect to the Internet and watch your desk top icons mysteriously disappear.
RE: Why we must fight Linspire
> By DarkMavis (IP: —.mn.client2.attbi.com) – Posted on >2005-02-14 15:04:28
>Flame on kily01. Your comments are typically of someone who >has no idea about WHY Linspire does business or who they >target. Plus, I suggest you do your research before you
> decide to flame the message board with completely untrue
> accusations.
My activities in the free software world let me have a very clear idea of Linspire actually. And also about your cash burnate. You know I tested most of your products, so I know what I’m talking about.
Anyway, OSNews deleted my comment, that’s not an issue since many people think like myself and because my comment was deleted, I will do my best to talk about the Linspire issue for Linux, everywhere I can.
This attitude is exactly why I resisted switching from Windows to Linux in the first place. Too may people in the Linux community argue that their distro is better, then bitch and moan about the others. As I found out quickly, if you are a Linux newbie and not a seasoned bit head you get snubbed in many cases when looking for assistance. I have tried Suse, Mandrake, Redhat, Xandros and some others multiple times, and everytime there were certain things that just didn’t work. Not detecting my flash drive, not detecting my wireless card, not giving me the proper video resolution. Things that were fixable, but I had to spend time to try and figure out why they did not work and then make the corrections. This is why I like Linspire. Everything worked first time, amazing. And as far as software goes, I love the fact that I can simply click one icon and the program is installed. If you want the typical windows user to migrate to Linux, then Linspire or something similar, is what it’s going to take for them to make that transition. You can call it a dumbed down, locked down or whatever type of distro you want, but the bottom line is it WORKS.
Yes, Linspire Five-0 includes support for many wireless G cards.
Kevin
Congrats to Linspire on the new upcoming Linspire 5.0!
Thanks for all the contributions that you make to FOSS, and thanks also for your marketing efforts that increase public awareness to software alternatives and FOSS. Good luck with the new release.
Jc says: “As I found out quickly, if you are a Linux newbie and not a seasoned bit head you get snubbed in many cases when looking for assistance.”
Most of the distro forums I’ve visited are _very_ helpful, Linspire included. Stick with the distro specific support Forums and you shouldn’t have a problem. That said, some distros just aren’t made for newbies. If you’re on dial-up and don’t know how to use ‘pon’, you shouldn’t be using Knoppix STD.
Interesting comments. Let me help to clarify a few points that I have read. First about the article:
* Lphoto should be able to write to DVDs as well as CDs. The version he was reviewing just did not have the name change yet as it was the same version that shipped with our previous product (4.5) which did not support DVD writing.
* DVD Playback: Linspire ships on many brand new machines that contain DVD players that will contain the DVD player but as has been stated previously, we don’t ship it for free. Our goal is to keep the price as low as possible.
* Mozilla vs Firefox: To add a little more color to our thinking, we have to date fixed or added over 590 bugs and features into our version of Mozilla. We are moving to Firefox but we won’t be ready until all of these 590 issues are fixed or implemented in Firefox. We are innovating many new technologies within Mozilla/Firefox (and are making them available back to the community). MailMinder, HotWords and on the fly Spell Checking are just a few examples of some of the ways we are innovating. Some of these are already (or have found) their way back to the main mozilla source code and others will follow. Also, our mozilla resides on the exact same rendering engine as Firefox. The biggest difference between our Mozilla and Firefox is the UI. Here is a very incomplete list of the changes we have made. (I grabbed these out of our bugzilla so the formatting may be rough):
General:
* Replicated mimetypes (helper apps) with desktop settings so you don’t have to re-enter in all of your helper apps for each program you install.
* Default saving of documents, attachments and downloads to “My Documents”
* Smarter mimetype handling. If the mimetype is incorrect, will look at the extension (for example, .doc) to find correct program to launch.
* All preferences in Mozilla tweaked for optimum ease of use out of the box experience.
* ALl major plugins installed and enabled by default (flash, java, pdf, etc).
* Added the calendar as part of the suite.
Browser:
* Hot Words
* On the Fly Spell Checker
* Pre-populated list of allows popup sites’
* [F5] reloads web page (same as IE for compatibility)
* [Backspace] goes to previous page (same as IE for compatibility)
* Better search integration
* Customized right click menu with many easy to use tools such as language translations, search options, etc.
Email:
* MailMinder
* Hot Words
* On the fly spell checker
* Domain suffix checking (make sure you don’t send mail to [email protected])
* Button to easily bcc yourself
* Send mail later.
* Ctrl+Shift+C to mark all messages as read in a mailbox.
* Pre-populated spam database to help instantly start filtering spam correctly.
* When spell checking a composed email, skip the signature and previous message (if a forward or reply to)
* When creating a new mail message, the first line defaults to “To:” and then the next line defaults to “CC:”. Used to always stay on “To” until you changed it which was very annoying.
* When embedding an image to an email, default the “alternate text” field off (it defaults to on). If you don’t turn it off, you are forced to type in an alternate text field for your image within the email.
* Attach multiple files at one time to an email message.
* Be able to open an attached file when composing an email. Many times you want to do this to ensure that it is the correct document.
* Enable hiding the “sending” dialog box when sending email.
* Added the ability to change the “from” part of an email when composing. Much like Outlook does.
* Added support for VCF cards
* Always have email search the personal address book first before collected.
* Reply All should not include sender’s email address.
* Much better support for online/offline support
In addition to these features, we have fixed over 590 bugs in Mozilla. Everything from very small and annoying UI tweaks to large “browser crashes when you go to ‘x’ website” type of issues.
* Linspire is dedicated to the open source movement. Visit http://www.linspire.com/opensource for a more comprehensive list of all of the open source projects we contribute to.
* During the first run wizard after installing Linspire you are given the opportunity to set up additional users. It has long been a misconception that we don’t allow multiple users. I can assure you that we DO allow for users to be setup and we spend a great deal of time making sure that the experience as a user is a good one.
* SOmeone asked which kernel version we are on. We are working off of the 2.6 kernel base.
* Many have asked why pay for CNR if you can apt-get. Let me just say that my kids don’t want to learn how to use apt-get when they can easily find everything they need through CNR. I don’t mind paying a service fee for this….just like I don’t mind paying to have the oil changed in my car when I could do it myself. However if you don’t want to use CNR, apt is readily available for you.
Tom
CTO says: “However if you don’t want to use CNR, apt is readily available for you.”
Tom
Is apt 100% compatabile with Linspire? If CNR is broken by Debian libs how will the OS be able to receive updates?
RE: Does linspire still makes the root as default and only user?
No, and hasn’t for a long time.
RE: the new Reiser FS?
Linspire is a key sponsor for the new Reiser (http://linspire.com/opensource) and we will be including it in Linspire Five-0, but it will not be the default. We’re not defaulting to the new Reiser yet, because the software and tools for OEM’s to use it aren’t there yet. Keep in mind, most people get Linspire NOT by installing an OS, but by buying a new computer and it’s preinstalled. OEM’s must be able to use ghosting systems or they will not use your OS. We’re working with Reiser to solve this issue.
RE: Cost of DVD playback software.
Here again, OEM’s will not pay to include this. Linspire can’t pay $5 in royalties and then give that away to OEM’s. If OEM’s are going to sell computers preinstalled with Linux, Linux needs to play by a few of THEIR rules. They are using Linux because it’s affordable. Adding another $5 in up-front costs won’t work for them. This is why XP doesn’t include DVD playback software either.
RE: So what is the magic linspire holds for $50/yr………..???
Here are some of the differences between CNR and apt:
* ONE-CLICK installing of new software.
* A novice can use CNR.
* The CNR Warehouse has User Reviews, Screenshots of applications, friendly menus, etc. (http://linspire.com/warehouse)
* ONE-CLICK uninstalling
* CNR adds (and removes when uninstalling) menu entries to your launch menu, desktop icons, etc.
* The CNR Warehouse is tested so user knows EVERY application will work.
* There are products in CNR Warehouse not in Debian’s pool.
* Many of the applications in the CNR Warehouse are modified to provide a better user experience. For example, install GIMP with CNR and Apt, and you’ll see a big difference in these applications.
* CNR notifies you of any updates to the applications you ahve installed on your computer and you can update them with ONE CLICK.
RE: GNOME vs KDE
Look here: http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=KDE&word2=GNOME
=)
RE: Try Mandrake…
Mandrake is a great distro, but not as easy to use for newbies as Linspire. Linspire has hundreds of changes to KDE, the Internet Suite, the applications in the Warehouse, etc., that Mandrake doesn’t make. Linspire has narrated tutorials, CNR, etc. For example, install Mandrake on a new computer, then visit this page and try clicking on each link and see what happens: http://linspire.com/filetypes If you do the same with Linspire, even 4.5, every link will work.
Again, Mandrake is great for those somewhat familiar with Linux, but Linspire is designed to be one-click easy, supporting all file types, etc.
The beauty of Linux, you have a choice! Choice is good.
RE: Use a Mac.
Does Mac have $200 computers and $498 laptops? 😉
http://linspire.com/featured
Linux is more affordable and more open. iTunes, for example, uses DRM and only works with iPod. Check out http://mp3tunes.com for a more open way.
RE: Nvu is just Mozilla + Composer.
This person has clearly never looked at Nvu. It has over a year and hundreds of thousands of dollars of new development in it that is not in Composer. The lead developer for Nvu was the key maintainer for Composer. All work has stopped on composer and is now being done on Nvu. Nvu is to composer what Firefox and Thunderbird are to the older Mozilla suite.
RE: “I will do my best to talk about the Linspire issue for Linux, everywhere I can.”
Great. As long as you keep talking about us, we’ll remain relevant. We appreciate the attention you give us. THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
=)
Kevin Carmony
President, Linspire, Inc.
does gcc and basic dev tools (make, man pages, gdb) come included? all our CS assignments require *nix, but most of my friends using putty on windows to do it all. If I could find an easy-to-use (handholding) distro so that no hardware fiddling was required that they could program in they might convert.
As an aside…. anyone know if Linspire is into the black ink yet? I’d be terrible to convert someone just to have their distro turn belly up.
I recently installed windows for the first time on a machine I built for a friend of mine. The last version of windows I used was NT 3.51 which was used to host an Xwindows session for a call center support application at the ISP I worked at in the mid-nineties. I have never done anything administratively with the microsoft operating system.
I have watched all the haranguing on various forums, as Linux has gained traction, about Window’s ease of use, and the features lacking in the various Linux distributions. You can imagine my astonishment when finally I got this system installed and patched (*seven* reboots!!!), I inserted a DVD, and windows had no core system component capable of playing a DVD.
My Debian systems all have readily available apt sources to make DVD playback trivial to add. It took me many downloads (three of which turned out to be spyware) and much time at download.com to find something that would reliably play a DVD on this machine under Windows. Sure, a Windows oldbie would have this stuff all figured out, but there was no guidance in the system… from the perspective of a Newbie to Windows I have to say it really wasn’t ready for primetime. If we’re going to be comparing apples to apples here, I think (weirdly) that you have to compare Linspiredows with Windows rather than other Linux distributions.
I think Lindspiredows is likely trying to conform to the psychology of the migrating users in their target demographic, so they may be slowly rehabilitated. These poor people are obviously used to not having even the simplest things made available to them without jumping through financial and/or contortive hoops, and their training on windows will have innured them to all kinds of inconvenience and technical failure. (*SEVEN* reboots!!)
CaptPinko asks: “As an aside…. anyone know if Linspire is into the black ink yet? I’d be terrible to convert someone just to have their distro turn belly up.”
A few of the major distros took years to get into the black.
“Sounds like a bargain (ever tried to buy PowerDVD?)”
No, why would I? Every PC with a DVD drive and every DVD drive (even OEM ones) from a PC store has had a copy in the box / plastic bag, since time immemorial.
actually, I’ve never liked that kind of sorting for music. Bands put ‘the’ on the front of their name for a reason, usually, and (at least for me) one tends to think of their name with it included (do you think ‘The Strokes’ or ‘Strokes’?) It makes sense for me to go looking for The Magnetic Fields or The Flaming Lips under T, not M and F.
* [Backspace] goes to previous page (same as IE for compatibility)
Opinions may vary, but I personally HATE this feature in IE. I hope there’s a way to turn it off.
@AdamW
“Sounds like a bargain (ever tried to buy PowerDVD?)”
No, why would I? Every PC with a DVD drive and every DVD drive (even OEM ones) from a PC store has had a copy in the box / plastic bag, since time immemorial.
Yes. Absolutely, and you are paying a couple dollars more for the drive to pay for the license to the DVD Software.
It’s in the box.
It’s not necessarily “Free”.
Thanks for monitoring these comments and addressing them with information.
Not only that, but showing that the management of Linspire cares about what the users think, and care enough to be in a dialog with them.
I don’t know of ANY other distribution that has people in it’s excutive suites that do this.
I’ve been heavily considering Xandros for some time.
The 2.5 Public Edition is very nice.
I’d probably buy the Pro edition with the ability to run Windows apps. I know I’m beating a dead horse here, but the main thing that attracted me to Lindows in the beginning was that it was going to be an OS that ran Windows Apps that was NOT made by Microsoft.
That Lindows has since dropped that VERY important feature, is a huge disappointment to me.
The LEAST you guys can do, is to have the copy of WINE in CNR up-to-date, and have it run when installed.
I’ve reloaded my Linspire box several times, and reinstalled WINE, and NEVER got it to work. Not once.
It’s disappointing to say the least.
Another App I’d like to see supported in Linspire is MythTV. Buying one of these inexpensive Walmart PC’s with Linspire, adding a TV Capture device and getting MythTV from CNR would make a powerful configuration…
I’m looking forward to Linpire Five Oh, and I’m holding off on purchasing Xandros until then.
Your company is doing good work, and it’s appreciated.
Oh, one more thing…
I’d *love* as an option, to have a GUI Look and feel for Linspire that mimics MacOS X, besides the Win-like look and feel currently available…
I like the MacOS X dock a LOT better than the Windows Start Menu.
Linspire is definitely on their way to producing a Linux distro “for the masses”. I just can’t understand why there isn’t one single distro willing to invest the time in squashing the infamous USB malloc() bug. There *are* Linux users who use webcams, too. 🙂
I’d *love* as an option, to have a GUI Look and feel for Linspire that mimics MacOS X, besides the Win-like look and feel currently available…
I like the MacOS X dock a LOT better than the Windows Start Menu.
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You can do this pretty easily, just install kooldock for KDE
http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/shots.php
I had it installed on suse, but it should be able to be installed on anything.
-One
Onetrack – LinSpire is trying to get as many customers as possible. The obvious and correct audience are people currently using Windows that want to move to some other OS that is very easy to use including install and uninstalling apps, plus has very few if any problems with viruses and spyware. That’s why it looks a lot like Windows. So those people feel comfortable.
yawn By Anonymous”I will just wait for May 2006 for Microsoft Windows Longhorn Desktop. Thanks.” Why wait for Shorthorn. Mac OS X already has or will have for Tiger everything that was promised for Shorthorn.
Hi guys,
Five-O looks great, I was wondering what kind of strings you could pull so I could land a copy of the beta? I am a lifetime
member (supporting sweden) have bought a membership, and have introduced linspire to numerous people and its running on at least 1/2 dozen of my friends pcs who now refuse to go back to windows.
Even my 74 year old grandmother uses it on a daily basis (bless her) to write messages, read email and chat with her friends.
So can I have a beta copy ?
Really eagre to try it out.
-One
Hey I was replying to Al Hartmans request for an OSX like dock bar, (Comment 75) Hence I was just giving him the link to cool dock (which i have used and just put the KDE dock along the left side).
For me, a good OS is all about making it look non-standard. My XP box for example, you wouldn’t know its XP as it looks vastly different, with using astonshell, many other theming options – if I had to reinstall my os i’d probably cry as its taken months to get it the way -i- want it.
On the other side, i agree with you, the new 5-0 theme looks great, eye candy etc. I know of -many- people who have XP boxes with the green start button and the rolling hills wallpaper (or screensaver as they call it).
So yeah.. cooldock works great for those wanting a more OSX bar with KDE. I’ve tried it, and on Suse 9.1 it worked flawlessly.
Cheers,
One
I love the fact that you guys took time to address comments and questions in the comments section of this web site. It shows that you really care about customers and don’t just treat them as numbers.
I’m not currently using Linspire, having Mandrake installed (as you said, it’s a good distro for those familiar with Linux, and that’s the first distro I ever used – sentimental value, I guess), however I am very interested in installing Linspire on the laptop I plan to purchase in a couple of weeks. I was curious if anyone has had any luck with installing Linspire on an Averatec 3250HX laptop? I’m especially curious about the Wireless driver and the DVD burner working out-of-the-box.
BTW, if you don’t know about Averatec laptops, these offer an incredible bang for the buck. Check it out:
http://www.averatec.com/notebooks/3200series.htm
Thanks again guys for your efforts. You have a great company selling an excellent product!
The reviewer says that using Mozilla reminds him of why he stopped using it, but fails to inform us.
I *prefer* Mozilla to Firefox because Mozilla gives me more control an there is nothing in Firefox that is better than Mozilla. Yes, I know about about:config.
I can’t speak specifically about your Averatec model but we work with quite a few Averatec laptops. 5.0 will address DVD and 802.11g issues.
some people dont want a “…and the kitchen sink” browser. firefox is (supposed to) be that, mozilla never had any such claims.
i would argue that the ui in firefox is significantly better, but to each his own.
I’ve tried Linspire years ago. Although it’s been a while, I remember seeing it as a really polished, easy to use distro. I’d like to see where they have come in this span of time. What impresses me more is their community involvement (sponsors for a number of open-source pillars as well as their quick and thoughtful responses).
Kudos to Linspire, and although I’ve chosen a different distro, I’m still happy to see them succeed.
– Brian
If you want a Beta of Linspire Five-Oh, it’s easy to get…
Go to http://www.linspire.com, and join the ‘Insiders’ Program.
It costs $99, and if you’re a Lifetime Member, you’ll be an Insider forever…
THAT’s how you get a beta of Linspire Five-Oh, and it’s ALWAYS been that way.
Begging on OSNews won’t get that for you.
well then, please do send me the name and address of a company where I can buy an OEM DVD drive *without* the player software, I’d be glad to save a couple of bucks next time I need one.
Excellent! When Five-0 comes out I’ll try booting the Averatec model I’m interested in with the liveCD at the local Future Shop (as long as the salespeople don’t freak out – liveCDs are still quite a novel concept) and see how it works. Thanks!
Al – Good point on the Insiders Program. I just wanted to add/clarify that you will remain an Insider for the $99 as long as you remain a CNR member. So, as long as you’re paying your $50 a year (which is a good deal by-the-way), you will remain an Insider. Thanks again though for pointing out the Insiders program.
How long does it take to boot Five-0? 4.5 on my P4 takes almost 3 minutes.
well then, please do send me the name and address of a company where I can buy an OEM DVD drive *without* the player software, I’d be glad to save a couple of bucks next time I need one.
Most of the OEM DVD drive from Canada Computer (http://www.canadacomputers.com/cdrom.html#rom) do not have player software. Feel free to drop buy anytime and boost the Canadian economy.
…about your reply on ReiserFS.
To others about DVD playback. I work in a computer store here in Australia.
Customers who purchase either a Pioneer 109, or a base model ATI graphics card get the ability to playback DVD if Windows is requested to be installed for them.
So for all these majority of customers, they wouldn’t have a clue that WinXP doesn’t have a DVD decoder by default.
I believe that the CNR service model is great concept for opensource. Simply because this enables Linspire to sponsor so many opensource projects.
CNR > Mandrake Club.
You are being ripped off.
All the OEM Pioneer drives in Australia have the Nero Suite. I think LiteOn are the only ones that don’t have software.
My advice buy value for money, not cheap.
That is a good question. I remember trying Lindows 4.0 and it was just as slow.
What are they loading on startup? I think they need to fix this. I don’t leave my computers on all day, and I am not a Greeny either.
Someone could always grab bootchart and run it on a Linspire box. Great tool, and the latest 0.8 is a heck of a lot easier to deal with and less hackish than the 0.1 everyone played with when it was first written. I just ran it over my box yesterday, and discovered a full 10 seconds of my 60 second boot time is occupied by fsck.reiserfs, heh. Wonder if it’ll be any faster with reiser4…
“I believe that the CNR service model is great concept for opensource. Simply because this enables Linspire to sponsor so many opensource projects.
CNR > Mandrake Club.”
This doesn’t really follow. If you’re suggesting that CNR makes Linspire more money than the Club makes MDKsoft, you can’t reach that conclusion, as neither company makes those figures public. Neither company makes public its monetary level of sponsorship for open source projects, either, but even if we assume for the sake of argument that Linspire contributes more, this doesn’t mean it has more to contribute; there are other factors to consider. For instance, although Linspire is not a publicly traded company, it is generally believed to be operating at a loss. Mandrakesoft currently operates at a modest profit.
For an incomplete list of free software projects which MDKsoft staff contribute to, see here:
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/FreeSoftwareProjects
As I read it, he “merely” suggested that CNR is better than Mandrake Club, hence the “>” sign 🙂
Well, I am happy to hear about your progress… I have been interested on slling your product… And I think that I have a chance at convinsing my employer about it… I have just to investigate on a few issues that consern me with the potential buyers reception tours linux in general coserning their possible questions and problems, just to avoid inconviniences to them and make their experience an enyoable one…
What I want to do now before I present the product (OS and CNR) is to assure that we can handel the custumer with their posible problems… unavoideble… but I want to make it as easy as posible to our customers whe they consider Linspire, Linux in general since I plan on ofering other distros to the adventurous (if I see said customer capeble of it, maybe too few but I will keep options open for variaty’s sake…)
-what woud be the best hardware to use… and I mean most compatible up to the graphic cards… And yes I know abowt LFriendly… but I would like to know the highest range one… well ok so you have the “welcome kit” wich explains about serteficatin the hardware, wish I could read more about it before jumping in… Could I buy it (the “Welcome Kit” that sells to bronze members….) before so that I can analize on how do I present it to my employer?
… Maybe I have to researsh a bit more… or I am been over coutious… I just don’t want to let them (my employer and potential custumer) a bad impresion of linux…. I want to make sertain I am doing things corectly and not just pushing PCs and software down custumers throaths…
-Big Moron… was here!
I cant believe the whining I hear about this! Linspire is exactly what the Linux Desktop needs. They are doing, as a company, what the linux desktop people (LDC/LSB/OSDL) et cetera can’t do, but want to happen. Let me explain:
You can’t force standards in the linux community; they become standards by fiat and choice. It evolves. What works for most people sticks and the rest goes by the way side or finds its little user base, like a cult film. It’s evolution, like Linus says, and what makes the Linux movement so exciting. What happens is two or three gain the momentum and become the majority and everything else is for those on the fringes. (E.G. KDE or Gnome? Xfree86/x.org, Red Hat or SUSE? Nautilus or Konqueor?)
While this can immobilize great organizations like the aforementioned and megacorps such as IBM and HP alike, the users are empowered to choose what they want, their choices drive further development, which creates more users et cetera. The problem then becomes a chicken/egg thing. Where does the cycle begin? To create a standard is great, but with so many cats to herd (per the linus metaphor) you can’t please all the people all the time or get every single stinking cat in your breeding herd. It begins when someone gets a set of balls and says, “We’re doing this!
Linspire has done this in a number of ways. With the DVD player, the point of this thread, they taken a different path from SUSE.
SuSE says you can’t play DVDs outta the box, but get library X and then you can. We can’t help you any more than that or well get our tiny assess sued and munched off when the MICROSOFT/RIAA/American Bar Association behemoth awakens…and that works for the market segment they want…Those are the cats they are choosing to herd…
Linspire, smartly going after a specific market segment, uses that market segment’s own characteristics to help the customers out.
Pay a little, get a shitload of functionality…the American way…and gets the cats in their herd that they want.
All you little bitches whining about DVD playback should shut the HELL UP! You have 4 options:
1. Download DeCSS and build it into the broken version of your own Mplyer, xine, whatever that came with your distro, and be happy
2. Download all the libraries and executables, compile it all and be happy
3. Pay the trivial bullshit token they charge to get the software and be happy.
4. Whine, bitch. and complain that you aren’t getting something for free that took other people time and work to create or obtain. Windows doesn’t include a DVD player. So what makes you so special because you use linux? Shut the hell up! Ive been using Linux as my ONLY OS for 4 years and suffered through the DVD bullshit the whole time. GROW UP! Lump it or stay with windows. The people Linspire are going after those want someting other than Windows that works and are willing to pay a small bit of cash to do it. A small bit of cash that is still less than if you want to do the same thing on windows, by the way. Linspire are offering a low cost solution for their primary market that makes it easy for everyone. LAY OFF of them and grow up.
I dont use Linspire; I broke my teeth on redhat 6.0 and still use SuSe, bloat and all. I deal with the bloat and warts because I support SuSE with my money and value what I have learned and continue to learn so much (I could fill a book with the knowledge I have been forced to learn in between reinstall after reinstall). Most people dont want to suffer like i have, and I can’t blame them. They want to pay a little and get a lot. That is fine…that is free enterprise…so shut up and deal with it already!
I commend Linspire, though they don’t really fit my way of doing things. I am a member of one of those cults who still gets a kick outta the CLI for doing stuff quick, loves memorizing new commands and pees on himself with joy whenever he gets to use one.. But I still loves the GUI for videos and multimedia, and just can’t sit by and watch those who want something for nothing, wehn companies are doing their best to solve problems rather than whine about them
If you want a Beta of Linspire Five-Oh, it’s easy to get…
Go to http://www.linspire.com, and join the ‘Insiders’ Program.
It costs $99, and if you’re a Lifetime Member, you’ll be an Insider forever…
THAT’s how you get a beta of Linspire Five-Oh, and it’s ALWAYS been that way.
Begging on OSNews won’t get that for you.
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yeah I know about the insiders.
I’m a lifer with them and supported linspire with both a lifetime membership as well as my one year membership.
I’ve spent some money with linspire already, no i’m not a member of the insiders and the insiders are doing a great job of controlling themselves and not putting up an iso on some torrent site.
i was mearly ‘ suggesting ‘ that perhaps the lifetime supporters who came to linspires aid when they were fighting off M$ in the beneleux might be able to download a beta copy since they were given out -freely- at the linux show.
If they’d give access to the lifetimers and allow me to download the beta they were giving out i’d happily install it and give them a report from my computers i have here.
Sheesh Al, and after I give you the link to Kooldock even.
Begging indeed.
One.
I will rephrase myself.
IMHO CNR > Mandrake Club
The reason is because if I decide to give my money to Linspire. I get a basic KDE environment. That in FiveO looks awesome thanks to Everaldo work.
But I get to install only the programs I wish to. BTW again IMHO my experience with the Mandrake distribution has not been great in the past, so I would favour paying money to CNR.