A new development ISO image of the upcoming Ubuntu Linux 5.04 (“Hoary”) has been released.
Development Release: Ubuntu Linux 5.04 Array 3
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Ubuntu is making me a happy linux user, once again. I’ve been running Hoary on my PPC for several weeks now, it’s more stable and more polished than many distros out there.Now, I’m converting everybody that I know to Ubuntu and they have nothing but praises. ProMepis Comes second when I feel like using KDE, but UBUNTU is my main OS right now.
*Yeah I know I sound like a fanboy, but go ahead try it and you’ll understand*
*Yeah I know I sound like a fanboy, but go ahead try it and you’ll understand*
Exactly. I’ve been burning copies and passing it around. Everyone seems to feel the same about it that I do: Wow, that was easy!
It’s fun to see the linux distribuitions, lots of distros with the same packages inside (gnome, kde, bla bla bla…)
Ubuntu=debian
vidalinux=gentoo
xpto=debian+ubuntu
LFS the only true linux inside!!!!
LFS the only true linux inside!!!!
Wow, I’d like to figure out how you came to that conclusion….
>> LFS the only true linux inside!!!!
> Wow, I’d like to figure out how you came to that conclusion….
Simple, if you’re the type of person that believes Linux is just a kernel, the OS is kernel + userland tools and programs then LFS is indeed a more true Linux.
Simple, if you’re the type of person that believes Linux is just a kernel, the OS is kernel + userland tools and programs then LFS is indeed a more true Linux.
Woh there buddy. You have to re-evaluate your critical thinking skills if you think there is some logic in that statement. LFS will use the same tools and programs that every other distro does, the only difference is that there’s no hand holding going on. You build everything yourself from scratch. It’s not “more true linux” than any other distro.
I have been installing sevral major distros on my sony vaio lap top and and the have all worked fine but Ubuntu has að major fault for a debian based distro it does not work 100 % with the wide range off repositories out there. If you want a debian based distro with easy install just use knoppix to install debian on your computer.
I’ve been running ubuntu ‘hoary’ ever since the apt-gets came on line. It’s reliable, flexible, and I can do _actual work_ with it :=) Two machines, both wireless: no sweat.
I think what TLy meant was that after building LFS you are left with a “purer” linux, or a less watered down linux. Ubuntu is “Linux” yes, but it is much more as well with all of the userland packages included. LFS has far fewer packages after a default build and is thus closer to a “pure” linux than most distros.
Just downloaded it earlier tonight….installed…works perfectly on my overclocked AMD with nForce2…
Great distro…kudos to Ubuntu team!
Zetor
That’s interesting, since I run the unstable version on my Sony Vaio U101, which is one of the quirkier Vaio laptops. I also have it running on a S150. No problems on either of these, even with external repositories.
Ubuntu is the only distribution in fact that has configured 99% of the Vaio hardware on these systems out of the box the 1st time around. Minimal tweaking required (sonypi device, etc.).
Of course, you have to pay attention to what repositories are enabled when doing major upgrades (and that goes for any debian distribution…).
Is Hoary going to include OpenOffice 2.0 or 1.1.x? Also, what version of GCC are they compiling it with?
Thanks
I just find SuSE, due to YaST, far nicer.
Back in November OSNews ran another review of Ubuntu, titled “Ubuntu 8 weeks later” (or however many weeks it was). At that point I had just ordered the free CDs and they hadn’t arrived yet. I chimed into that discussion thread saying that I’m not that wild about the “stripped down” distros, even though I was looking forward to trying Ubuntu (due to Gnome 2.8), and that I prefered full featured, mulit CD distros like Mandrake (which I still like a lot).
But now I’ve been using Ubuntu Warty for about 2 months, and I think it’s terrific. Yes, I was a little disappointed with the limited amount of software that was installed with it, particularily the lack of development tools. But that was so amazingly easily remedied with apt-get/Synaptic, cobined with the Ubuntu Main, restricted, and universe repositories. With this, I was able to tailor the distro exactly to my needs.
And along the way, I’ve discovered what a fast, stable, simple, and pleasant distro Ubuntu truely is. Whether or not I go for the Hoary release, or just wait until Grumpy Groundhog remains to be seen (since Warty is working so well for me right now – why fix what isn’t broken?). But alas my curiousity will probably compel me to upgrade.
But anyway, Ubuntu is now one of my favorites, along with Mandrake and Mepis (looking forward to full release of ProMepis).
Currently, Hoary has OpenOffice 1.1.3 and GCC 3.3.5. You can install GCC 3.4.4 but the kernel is compiled with 3.3.5.
Just wondering if anyone has an opinions regarding the use of regular Debian vs Ubuntu?
Ubuntu = Polished new version of Gnome
Debian = More flexible in terms that KDE is availible and much more.
Any opinions? Don’t flame btw, I’m just curious as to what people think.
MY soundblaster live finally works by default…great work. And Gnome 2.10 will be amazing.
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Debian = More flexible in terms that KDE is availible and much more.
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You actually CAN install kde on ubuntu, and ubuntu will also be making a version of KDE similar ot their gnome called “kubuntu”.
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But now I’ve been using Ubuntu Warty for about 2 months, and I think it’s terrific. Yes, I was a little disappointed with the limited amount of software that was installed with it, particularily the lack of development tools. But that was so amazingly easily remedied with apt-get/Synaptic, cobined with the Ubuntu Main, restricted, and universe repositories. With this, I was able to tailor the distro exactly to my needs.
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Please, don’t forget the multiverse as well!
Nice, I didn’t know about Kubuntu.
As for KDE on ubuntu I heard otherwise and have experienced otherwise.
Ubuntu is arguably the best community Linux distribution based on GNOME.
Ubuntu is not going to be preloaded on anyone’s PC or advertised on TV, so it cannot be the desktop linux distribution of the future.
I forsee a situation involving Red Hat in the datacenter, Novell on the business workstation/desktop/laptop, Fedora/SUSE on the home PC, and a bunch of OSNews/Slashdot/Distrowatch readers preferring Ubuntu.
THis person had some success
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11940
I don’t know if you saw this either, but it could help:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4456&highlight=kde+howto
Also, did you set KDE as teh session type?
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I forsee a situation involving Red Hat in the datacenter, Novell on the business workstation/desktop/laptop, Fedora/SUSE on the home PC, and a bunch of OSNews/Slashdot/Distrowatch readers preferring Ubuntu.
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THe tech ubuntu is developing is the best though, USBs & mp3 players work perfectly on it. I’m sure these distros will borrow a lot from ubuntu. Kudzu never worked really well on my PC….
KDE programs – at least k3b, that’s the only one i’ve tried – seem to work very well on ubuntu.
“Just wondering if anyone has an opinions regarding the use of regular Debian vs Ubuntu?
Ubuntu = Polished new version of Gnome
Debian = More flexible in terms that KDE is availible and much more.
Any opinions? Don’t flame btw, I’m just curious as to what people think.”
Its more than that. Ubuntu is a Debian that doesn’t requre you (the user) to do as much. It hotplug stuff, adds cds aand usb-drives to your gnome desktop, autodetect wireless and sets up all of your hardware easily.
Plus Ubuntu has a cleaner interface, a friendlier (though admittedly not made of the biggest geeks) community, more regular stable releases, and cool little things like start-up music!
I’ve also had success with KDE on Ubuntu. I have konqueror and k3b working perfectly. On my last Ubumtu install(just built a new machine) I had kde working pretty well in xnest. I was damn impressed, I tried installing it mainly as a joke, but it worked fine.
I’m really happy with Ubuntu overall. I find something more impressive about it everyday. It just stays out of my way until I want it to help me, and then it’s right there. Very sweet distro.
Well, I have experience with Ubuntu and currently do not use it. I feel that it isn’t exactly all that flexible. I could be wrong but I personally feel that it doesn’t suit me.
I’m the kind that likes to play with the system. So I tend to stick to distro’s like Arch,Slackware and Gentoo. My question is basically around Debian.
From what I understand Debian can be just as flexible as these “hardcore” distro’s, infact many people have told me on forums that the Debian devs happen to be some of the best around and that Debian can be just as “hardcore” if not worse in terms of attitude toward other distro’s (Ignore that last sentance, as this is what I have just pick up opinion wise)
I was just curious due to the lack of time that I spent with Ubuntu and wanted to know if it was just as flexible as the original Debian(the mother).
Thanks for your input.
P.S. please excuse the “hardcore” term,
“Is Hoary going to include OpenOffice 2.0 or 1.1.x? Also, what version of GCC are they compiling it with?”
Devs are currently entering a development realease of OpenOffice 2.0 into the Hoary archives. Don’t know if its been completely uploaded yet. From what I understand, assuming no major problems arrise any time before release, than there will be a good chance it will include OOo 2.0 and 1.1.3.
Go here to keep up-to-date on how it is progressing (they’re currently having build problems):
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11509&highlight=openof…
I am going all perfect with KDE on Ubuntu! Amazing Stability!
Infact I am using the Debian Unstable to install KDE 3.3 and it does work!
I am currently on KDE on Ubuntu as I write this!
So no problems as far as KDE on Ubuntu is concerned although YMMV!
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Has anyone checked if GNUstep is in Ubuntu and how new it is? It’s often broken in Debian unstable, so I was just wondering if it was possible to set up a GNUstep development environment in Ubuntu.
I hope to see major improvements in the time required to boot Ubuntu, that would be nice for Hoary!
PS: Currently running Warthy, very pleasant!
I’ve just installed Debian in my new T42 laptop and it worked just great.
The installation is also really straightforward (with Debian-Installer, basically the same installer as Ubuntu) and I just added KDE after the base installation to get a fully featured desktop.
I setup the IPW2200 wireless in a moment and the bluetooth also worked out-of-the-box.
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After using Debian unstable for about three years on my home PC, I suddenly had a hard drive crash and had to reinstall the OS. Hearing good things about Ubuntu, I decided to give it a try. I did like the way it automounts cds and usb drives, very nice. However, I didn’t like the fact that the selection of software available is rather limited, and that getting software from Debian repositories has the potential of breaking the system. I only had Ubuntu installed for a couple of days, went back to Debian.
Can anyone recommend a distribution with Ubuntu’s ease of use plus the software selection from Debian?
Eraser
Libranet, really, is probably the best. It does have it’s own repository, but it tries to maintain compatability with pinning. I did have some problems with circle dependencies both times I tried it, last time with gconf2 and gdm.
It doesn’t stick you with Gnome or KDE, which is nice. Well, it does install IceWM no matter what, but I don’t see that being as much an issue as if it were KDE or Gnome, or even XFCE. It’s installer is one of the better ones I’ve seen, it’s a nice GUI/ncurses combo that gets the job done very well. I like it much better than Anaconda.
The most talked about thing is Adminmenu, which can be used in both console and X. It does automate some tasks that very much need to be automated, but it lacks polish.
Overall, it’s worth a try, especially since 2.8.1 is now available for free download. Even though there’s little chance of me keeping a partition for it, I’ll probably buy 3.0 when it’s released, just because it has so much promise. Maybe I’ll install it on a few friends’ systems I don’t want to be bothered maintaining (I usually custom taylor an Arch install),
I dualbooted Gentoo and Ubuntu too see what I was trying to cram down other peoples throats (ordered 20cd’s after some comments on this site).
The first thing that struck me was that my ordinary Gentoo system (with typical -O2 compilation) felt notably faster. In the past I have never belived in the hype about speed but it really is true! Granted, I don’t know how the ugly brown theme of Ubuntu affected my perception…
The sudo approach to administation was interesting though, I will probably adopt it for my Gentoo systems some day. And I was really impressed with synaptic. But the realtively shorter distance to /etc in Gentoo will probably keep me here for ever =)
It saved me from frustration with Debian being chronically unable to do a release. When I installed it for the first time it was meant as a joke and it didn’t look very good. I found myself even unable to do graphical login due to some keyboard layout problems. But them something unbelievable happened. My complaint on bugzilla was quickly resolved and I found a rocking distro. Finally somebody found the courage to leave behind the most anyoning features of Debian. It was certainly worth the fork. Thank you !
The only problem with Ubuntu I see is the tendency of the installer to guess settings better left to be decided by the user. I understand the idea of a distribution accessible to computer illiterate audience, but if a guess is made, it should be based on a qualified evaluation of the hardware. Else the installation may be broken and you will fail into problems often difficult to solve even by an experienced linux guru. (Try for example to enable external mail delivery on warty workstation.)
> But the realtively shorter distance to /etc in Gentoo…
huh?
A completely subjective feeling. In gentoo, fireing up gnome-terminal to edit files in /etc feels like The Right Thing ™. In Ubuntu it feels like a hack caused by lack of GUI tools or failed auto configuration.
Personally when I used Gentoo I didn’t notice much of a speed difference. I was using Slackware / Arch before. But compared to Ubuntu it DID feel faster. The menu’s were snappier and the over responsiveness was higher. Ubuntu was faster though. I think it was due to the rather slim package selection (which I love).
I would probably go back to Gentoo, but my HD crashed and well… I spent a lot of time settin up that distro, and I really don’t think I’ll ever recover the wasted energy.
. Maybe someday.
I’ve been playing with Debian and I like it so far, but I really hate the Sys-v init(or what ever its called) it seems rather over complicated for no real reason. I guess I’ll have to do more reading about it. Still prefer bsd-style init system. Much cleaner.
I meant to say ****”Ubuntu was fast though”***** in the above post.
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However, I didn’t like the fact that the selection of software available is rather limited, and that getting software from Debian repositories has the potential of breaking the system. I only had Ubuntu installed for a couple of days, went back to Debian
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You need to add multiverse and universe to your sources.list
That would be the *second* half of his sentence – “and that getting software from Debian repositories has the potential of breaking the system”. As I understand it, universe and multiverse are mostly untested Debian packages, and the Ubuntu policy is that if they break you get to keep both pieces, right? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the idea of Ubuntu is to maintain and support a fairly limited ‘core’ set of packages.
As I understand it, universe and multiverse are mostly untested Debian packages, and the Ubuntu policy is that if they break you get to keep both pieces, right? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the idea of Ubuntu is to maintain and support a fairly limited ‘core’ set of packages.
The packages in universe and multiverse are, for the most part, packages fom Debian sid, recompiled for ubuntu. They usually work like the packages in debian would and won’t break your system. “Unsupported” means that they don’t get as much attention as the other packages (security updates etc.).
Ubuntu vs. Debian: Debian is a more inclusive distribution. You can install Debian without X, without Gnome, etc. You get to pick what you want to do with Debian. Ubuntu sets up a nice desktop/workstation environment. Both have their places. For a user like woodstock, Debian is probably what he/she would prefer simply because he/she wants complete control of the environment and not an end-user product. Debian could be considered more akin to Slackware or Gentoo in that respect. Still, I have found in my personal experience that Debian is easier to admin and install than those two while still offering the same level of flexibility.
Speed: No matter how much faster you feel Gentoo runs, I can tell you that you are using a TON more time compiling from source. Personally, I would prefer for an application to take a second longer to run than have to wait many hours to install an application. Whether it gives a tiny speed boost or not, I just find compiling from source to be so completely inconvienient and slow for minimal to no gain.
KDE on Ubuntu: I don’t think I would run Ubuntu if I were a KDE fan. By that same token, I wouldn’t run Slackware as a Gnome fan. I like my distro to be into making my desktop environment work well. Ubuntu, so far, hasn’t really committed to KDE and I’ve had some sketchy results trying to run it.
Ubuntu vs. multi-CD distros: I dislike multi-CD, kitchen sink distros. Ubuntu installs a great set of packages like one would expect to get from an operating system. Now, there are packages that Ubuntu doesn’t install that I want – gftp for example. What’s nice about Ubuntu is that all I have to do is “sudo apt-get install gftp” and I have it just as if it was installed from the start. I know that installing new software can be a pain with most distros and that is why people tend to like ones that install everything they will ever need, but Ubuntu isn’t that way. Adding packages is painless and there aren’t any weird integration problems with the new packages. Plus, you only have to download 1 CD instead of many – definitely a time savings.
Ubuntu and compatibility with Debian repositories: Ubuntu isn’t compatible with the Debian repositories. Some people really dislike this and point to things like Knoppix and Mepis. The only problem is that, while they claim to be compatible with the Debian repositories, upgrading from them introduces errors. Ubuntu made a smart decision to go their own way in terms of repositories. Plus, Ubuntu developers are also intemately involved with Debian development – more than developers of other Debian derived systems – and that produces a better environment for users.
If you disagree with any of this, cool. That’s what is great about free software. You can completely ignore my comments and think they are totally misguided and use <insert your distro here> and it doesn’t hurt me at all. I just wanted to share my experiences with Ubuntu (and other distros) and I would love to read yours as well. The Free Software community often takes comments as flames and I just hope you found at least something intelligent in mine.
You can very easily install the Ubuntu base system, without all the desktop stuff. Type ‘custom’ at the install boot prompt for warty, and ‘server’ for hoary.
KDE on Ubuntu will be terrific – the Kubuntu team are going to make the best KDE distribution on the planet. Ubuntu is a showcase distribution for GNOME, Kubuntu will be a showcase distribution for KDE. 🙂