Submitted by “Opera Software today announced the first public beta of Opera 9. This version includes Widgets, small web programs running in their own windows that are fun, easy-to-use and live on users’ desktops. The Opera 9 beta also features support for BitTorrent, a popular file downloading technology, in addition to an easy-to-use content blocker and thumbnail previews of tabbed sites. And yes, Opera remains available free of charge.”
Opera 9 is radically improved over its predecessor (and other browsers). Unfortunately, some websites still go out of their way to block Opera.
do you know if opera 9 plugins will work in freebsd 6.x ?
> Opera 9 is radically improved over its predecessor (and other browsers). Unfortunately, some websites still go out of their way to block Opera.
Opera 9 can “mask” (per site) as a different browser (Mozilla/IE). It’s not the same as actual Opera support, but still helps alot.
Try it out: Right click on the page -> Edit site preferences -> Network tab -> Browser identification.
E.g. that’s how google talk in gmail can be enabled.
This was possible with Opera 8, but not per site, and involved some ini files tweaking.
I copied my 8.54 profile with 10k emails, 10 newsfeeds with 15k items in there to a new folder, installed 9b1 as a new install then copied my copied 8.54 profile into the new 9b1 one.
On first startup it said it was upgrading the profile to the new format and then I closed it again.
With Opera 8.54 and 9.0b1 both using the same 14 tabs on open, same email, same feeds, 9.0b1 opened up noticeably remarkably more quickly than 8.54, and it was already fast!
I’m impressed so far. Will be interesting to see how it progresses from here via the weeklies to the 9 release or next beta.
I’ve noticed how much data you have in the cache can seriously affect the startup times of Opera 8.5x. I’ve taken to clearing it out periodically, especially since my browsing habits tend to leave 5-15 windows with anywhere from 100-500 tabs open at once. Actually it USED to be the high end, but I’ve been making great strides to the low end, as I funally find the time to get to all those windows/tabs that I keep saying “I’ll get to later…”
Are these the kind of dockbar widgets you see in OS X/KDE, like weather reports and simple tools?
In that case I have to say they take an interesting approach. Small tools like that are alreayd available, but don’t gain much traction because you need to install a seperate program, it has to keep running (eats resources) and lack of mindshare. But if it comes integrated with your browser..
Same with bittorrent. I’m curious how/if they manage to keep the bloat down like this.
I’ve been using Opera since 5.x so I know what I’m talking about, and I’ve been testing out the 9.x releases since the first one, but still it has this very annoying behaviour that I would define as “lack of aggressiveness”: when loading a webpage Opera does not try hard enough to convince the remote server to give the data, and sometimes I get pages that are not 100% loaded after minutes and minutes of waiting. Firefox is much more aggressive, and at least closes the connection.
And yes, I have filed my complaints @ opera
That may not be Opera’s fault. The symptom you describe could be packet loss on your Internet connection. Try pinging your ISP’s gateway or your DNS servers to see if there is any packet loss above 1% or so. Even 1% is high.. You can use ‘tracert’ in windows or ‘traceroute’ in unix.
My network connection is not excellent and there is some packet loss, but then I don’t understand why all other browsers can deal with it.
Sounds like the same problem I have with Opera. Some pages just don’t load completely in Opera or they even don’t show up at all, the page loading freezes at the beginning, the progress bar is stuck at something like “loading images (7/8” and all I get is blank page. This happens so often – and only in Opera, all other browsers can load the pages just fine… Another strange thing is that often restarting Opera helps in this – it just seems that loading webpages somehow “dies” in Opera after using it for a long time without restarting it.
Same thing here – with no packet loss whatsoever… This is IMO the most annoing problem in Opera. Still .. the best browser there is.
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Well, It may be Opera 9 Beta public release now but the fact is that I am using Opera now to write this in OSNews. And, I am using since several weeks ago the “Opera 9 version 9.00 Build 8219”, that I took from a FTP server somewhere…
I have been using opera 9 lately cause is has greatly improved in stability.
Is probably-arguably the best browser out there, but it used to crash a lot in some of my PCs.
With the Opera 9 version 9.00 Build 8219 that I am running since several weeks it has only crashed twice after extensive use of many applications during longtime… With the older versions it was sometimes a crash every 20 minutes.
If not for that, is has speed, elegance and plenty of usefull utilities inside…
Only that being free (as in beer) now, I have discovered in some cleaning malware programs that Opera connect to several internet sites without your knowledge…
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I’ve been using the weekly builds of Opera 9, and they just get better and better for each succeeding version. They fixed one of the bugs that I found the most annoying, namely the missing Emacs key bindings that are used for navigation in OS X: ctrl+a = beginning of line, ctrl+e = end of line, etc. (Also found in terminals, and in most Cocoa applications.)
For those who want to test out the latest and greatest of the Opera browsers, can find the weekly, and sometimes semiweekly, builds here:
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam
Only that being free (as in beer) now, I have discovered in some cleaning malware programs that Opera connect to several internet sites without your knowledge…
No it doesn’t. The only thing it connects to is whatever sites you visit and it’s own site to check for upgrades once in a while.
If you believe otherwise, provide proof.
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“No it doesn’t. The only thing it connects to is whatever sites you visit and it’s own site to check for upgrades once in a while.”
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Yes it does…
Check it yourself with one of the many cleaners and antimalware programs out there..
I will not lose more time with a TROLL like you, as many OSNews readers know already…
(If any reader is not aware of that yet, I recommned him/her to check the ‘sappyvcv’ “Anti Open Source-Pro Ms-Pro Windows-Anti Linux etc” continuous posts stating whatever!)
(If you bother me again with your nonsenses “sappyvcv “, I will look for and put here in every thread you annswer me with your ‘weirdo’ comments, the link to the thread in OS news, where you answered one of my post and you had the ‘cheeky face’ to afirm something like that with “OpenOffice Org” you could do the same than with Ms “Wordpad”, thus the need for a complete office suite like “Ms Ofice”…
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Woah, what does this have to do with open-source? Nothing! Stop with the crap.
I’ve used many malware cleaners and NEVER had one report ANYTHING to do with opera. I’ve never seen ANYONE report something similar to what you are.
Either provide some sort of proof of your claim or stop making them. It’s as simple as that.
If you don’t like it, tough, but don’t try to try and attack me personally.
I have no evidence so far for claim that Opera 9 connects to anything else than Opera update. I’m running opera 9 with Outpost 3.5.
I could be wrong but it’s very doubtful since I check my logs very carefully.
On beta note Opera 9 is just wonderful for me…I’m not using mail or RSS, so I can’t judge if there are any problems and if there are I believe they are know and in processs of fixing.
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“I have no evidence so far for claim that Opera 9 connects to anything else than Opera update. I’m running opera 9 with Outpost 3.5.
I could be wrong but it’s very doubtful since I check my logs very carefully.”
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Well, I hope you are right, and Opera is completely ‘Clean’, since, as I told in my first post is probably the best browser out there. But I just explained what I have found about 10 days ago (I said Literally: “I have discovered in some cleaning malware”).
Wheter is true or not it is something that needs to be verifyed carefully. And it competes to the people or companies that make the cleaning malware programs. Every PC user must take some security measures, but can not spend the whole life verifying all the programs in a PC or home network (hundreds or thousends). Therefore the need for some programs that verify that for the users…
Opera has suffered accusations of being “Spyware” since several years ago. I have never said it was Spyware in my post, though…
Those accusations have been denied and many proved false. So the question Now is if it gets connected to sites, after they have retired the advertisement in the program
I did not afirm that Opera is malware or Spyware, anyway. I have just stated what I found… We all know that the souce of Opera is not open, and all the companies try to make money… so anything is possible, even if is not the case here, and is not desirable.
But some people are inducted by demagogs and Trolls in previous posts, when they read their posts, and others simply do not read ‘carefully’ and Mod whatever ‘coincide/do not coincide’ with their personal views…
I do not care really. People that have read my other posts in other threads know that I do not answer to Trolls…( I am Not refering to you “Yogurth”, with that, but to some other people that post regularly in OSNews. Many readers can guess alrady who are the trolls posting.)
I will install the new Beta of opera and I will recheck with some malware cleaners programs (By the way, when I click on the download link it takes me to download the 8.54 version in any of the servers. Even in the Norway one!!!???)
If I find similar results I will contact the makers of the programs to clarify the situation.
Until then, I will still be using Opera, like I am doing now, hoping that I will improve even more… and I will keep on ignoring the trolls.
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Edited 2006-04-21 09:21
If you’ll re-read the posts, you’ll notice no one said you accused Opera of being spyware/malware, but addressed your claim that it “connects to sites without my knowledge”. Apparently, you were trusting the word of one program and didn’t do research yourself. If you’re going to make a claim, whether you believe it yet or not, you should FIRST do the research and try to confirm it, THEN bring it up, not the other way around.
By stating what you did, you plant a seed of doubt in peoples head that is unfair to Opera.
All I’m asking here is that you verify something like that before making an accusation of even a suggestion.
If you wish to keep calling me a troll over that, so be it, but it does not make it so, and I think that is illustrated by how your posts were rated and the other responses in this thread. this thread. Please do not bring any other discussions into this one, because they are not relevant.
(I said Literally: “I have discovered in some cleaning malware”).
Which program?
Because I remember back in the day when Opera was ad ware, Ad Aware would flag it if I had the free banner ad version, but when I had the paid version, it didn’t get flagged.
At home (OS X and Linux) and at work (XP Pro), I run Opera as my main browser. At work we have Ad Aware, Spy Bot, MS Anti Spyware and Symantec all working and none of them flag Opera.
I will install the new Beta of opera and I will recheck with some malware cleaners programs (By the way, when I click on the download link it takes me to download the 8.54 version in any of the servers. Even in the Norway one!!!???)
It is a standard practice to point the main download link to a stable version of the software. If you want the beta, you have to click on the “Get Opera 9 Beta” link, which leads you to here:
http://opera.com/download/index.dml?ver=9.0b
and no, i have not seen Opera try to connect to other websites that you are not visiting, although if you did install a widget from a third party i could see it doing that. (I recently caught a Dashboard widget trying to connect to a russian server. I uninstalled it.)
If you don’t like it, tough, but don’t try to try and attack me personally.
Thank you.
Edited 2006-04-21 15:28
—> No uPnP support <—
I just tested and yes. The user must go and login to their routers to set up a new port for Torrent use…
This is the first time I’ve played with those new features in Opera and I’m very impressed with how easy to use and powerful they are. Even in Beta this is a brilliant browser, I think Opera 9 will prove to be the best browser around when it’s released.
So I installed the beta and tried it. I found one *really* annoying problem. For some reason, Opera decided to randomly maximized shaded windows on me. Repeatedly. Even when every tab in said windows were marked as having been seen. Oh, and Google Maps still doesn’t seem to work properly.
Oh well… Just reinstalled the 8.54 .deb, restored my backup of ~/.opera/ and I was good to go again.
When I tried to start the application it retured segmentation problem error message, but when I run “sh opera&” it will work; does anyone know why?
OS:RHEL 4.3AS
When I tried to start the application it retured segmentation problem error message, but when I run “sh opera&” it will work; does anyone know why?
OS:RHEL 4.3AS
Did you extract it, and just run it from the directory? if so, run the installation script as provided.
What do you mean by “run the installation script as provided.” The package was rpm and installing rpm was with “rpm -ivh package_name.rpm” or simply double click it and let installer finish the installation; either way it returned the error.
Ah, ok, I’m thinking from FreeBSD experience, which is a tar ball, gzipped, and you simply run the install.sh script.
As for your rpm woes; tried checking the permissions of it?
Permissions are checked to allow execution for user, group and others.
part of error message:
“opera: spellcheck.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x1a0c, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00020
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x1a0f, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00020
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x1a10, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00020
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x1a11, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0001f
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x9629, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0002d
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x962b, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0002d
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x962c, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0002d
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x962d, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0002c
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29ef1, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00030
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29ef4, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00030
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29ef5, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00030
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29ef6, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0002f
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29ef7, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00027
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29efa, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00027
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29efb, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00027
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29efc, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00026”
Have you tried running the staticly compiled version? could it possibly have somethign to do with the version of QT; I’m running 3.3.6, and haven’t see any of the problems yet.
“rpm -q qt”
“qt-3.3.3-9.3”
Are tabs in Opera now working as in Firefox or are they still holding on to the MDI crap?
Opera had tabs first.
Opera has had tabs since before Phoenix was a glimmer in someone’s eye.
It has allowed those who find the flexibility and power of the MDI/Tab combination a bit intimidating to have a tabbed only interface for 18 months or so now?
It’s a shame things have to be dumbed down for Firefox users to feel comfortable but thankfully it is only optional.
Hi. It appears you are a retard. Welcome.
Now, if you would took the time to actually read my comment you would find something interesting. Like this for example:
Are tabs in Opera now working as in Firefox or are they still holding on to the MDI crap?
Which appears to be a question. With a purpose for someone to answer. Instead you choose to look like a moron and answered with something completely useless. Thank you for that also. But, unless you still want to look like a f–kup I suggest you read my comment again answer the f–king question. If you can’t, that’s alright. Just move on and stop pretending to be a damn idiot.
So let’s get back to the point. The question was wether Opera still handless tabs in the MDi way (which I think is crap btw) – switching to the last tab selected instead to the last tab in order, or does it do it the “Firefox” way – switching to the next tab in the row?
And, no I don’t want any damn shortcuts. I want to middle click on the tab to behave like that,
There is an option under advanced > tabs to tell it which tab to go to.
It still uses MDI, but you won’t even notice unless you explicitily “restore” a window. You can even remove the references to that in the tab popup if it makes you feel better.
For all intents and purposes, tabs in Opera and Firefox behave the same way, minus a few small things. I’m not sure why the MDI that you can’t even see bothers you so much.
It appears I’m a retard? Funny.
I answered the question as you put it; are tabs working as in Firefox or MDI. The answer was both.
You’re now asking a different one about the tab ordering and the answer is again, both. Opera unlike Firefox allows you the choice.
Which is ironic really.
I am so glad to see I am not the only one – for a few months now checking lycos mail has been hell, it just won’t load on the first try, or many tries, and yes there are many pages I gave up on without realizing they work in other browsers. Must I keep two different browsers open at all times now? Also about the same time I started having an infuriating problem logging in anywhere at all – I’m on a dialup and I’m used to typing in my name and password while the banner crap is loading, but now something “grabs” the cursor and puts it in some field I allready filled, so when I hit ‘enter’ nothing is in the right place – password visible where username is supposed to be etc. Wow it’s annoying. I think it’s related to my third gripe, you have multiple windows, you’re filling out a form or trying to read, and some other tab grabs the screen. Absolutely drives me bananas. Can’t Opera tech’s disable the code that let’s “helpful” web pages grab your cursor and place it where they think it goes, and disable the code that lets background pages keep grabbing the focus? I’ve literally had to close belligerent pages without reading them because every four seconds they steal focus from a window i’m busy in, and then i have to click all the tabs looking for the page i was on, and then the other page grabs focus four seconds later again. Amazon is the biggest offender. Also I can’t see certain types of Flash pages, and no matter how many times I install Flash nothing changes. And I strongly urge Opera not to program as though everyone has a cable modem. I don’t care about RSS and BitTorrent, I just want to log into my email and load normal web pages without being messed with constantly.
Opera 9 finally adds support for layer opacity control, which is also available in a standard form in Firefox & Safari (I think also in IE 7, but I haven’t tested it yet). IE 6 has that too, but uses non-standard CSS, as well as a different DOM access method in Javascript.
I reported a javascript bug for Opera 8.5.2
I am happy to see that it still not being fixed in 8.5.4 or 9 beta.
I downloaded Opera 9 Beta, and it appears to fully pass the Acid2 test.
Yes, since one of the weeklies leading up to this release, it does pass the acid2, becoming the first windows browser to do so, and the 2nd/3rd browser overall (depending on whether you accept konqueror as having passed the acid2, I seem to remember there was a twist there). Useful? No. Bragging rights? If it makes you happy 🙂