Seriously, this dude- Moulinneuf- is a troll. The guy not only rants about BSD, he also spreads major league FUD about BSD pretty much every time he gets the chance.
I recently had a bit of a 'discussion' with him and quickly found out that not only can he not spell, but his grammar is appalling. Sure, I ain't the best at either, and do I hear 'but he is not a native English speaker'? All valid and true but just check this out:
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I am sure you have seen many of those on many platform and get the report on each device specifically :
Yes , according to you , financial establishment are recognized as testing many different cutting edge hardware and have really the chance to test and deploy many different configurations ... ( Cynic from me and bullshit from you )
The reality is the MOM and Pop shop at the corner from where you live is going to be seing more different system version and architecture for sale then you will
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2005-04-01
There sure are a lot of down voted comments.
The new mod system will hopefully help us fix that. Just because someone post an unpopular comment does not make them a bad user. But when an excess number of abuse reports come in - if someone is truly abusing the forums - then we can better know when we should ban someone.
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Maybe, but your "trust" is uncommonly high, so people not only find your posts worthwhile, they find them VERY worthwhile. The same goes for the reply below this one. Both of you have high "trust" scores.
But again, the new system won't penalize "disgaree" votes, only "report" votes.
Member since:
2007-02-22
How about not get worked up over him*?
He has an unpopular opinion, one you'd rather not let people see. Just getting him voted down to -2 is quite enough to make him invisible to the typical user and effectively mark him and his opinion as verboten. No need to mark him as a troll and ask 'what to do about him.'
Or as they say in my community: Relax! It's only the Internet!
* ('him' is an assumption on my part, not sure why except the name sounds male.)
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2005-07-06
While I agree with you that nobody should spread FUD, everybody should have the right to say: I don't like that.
For instance I have a strong dislike for a few operating systems, one or two Linux distros and one hobby OS.
But I can't say so in the forum, because I'd be modded down to hell.
Well, ultimately this leads to hypocrisy, IMO.
Member since:
2006-07-30
Moulinneuf: "I like your lack of logic , because your too dumb and stupid and retarded to understand , I have to go away ..."
It somehow reminds me of Monty Python: "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!" ;-)
Seriously though, the real problem is not when people have unpopular opinions but when they spread lies with (obviously) nothing to back them up and refuse to stop it after you've called them on it several times.
Which is what happened here.
Simply put, I don't want to spend every waking hour correcting stupid posts like Moulinneuf's or vote them down until my index finger gets sore.
He is wasting his time and so is everybody trying to correct or educate him. It's pointless.
People can whine all they want about "suppressing unpopular opinions", I don't care.
It's not like you're dead when you cannot post on OSNews anymore. There are plenty of other websites on the net, some of which might even appreciate this guy's opinion.
What really matters at the end of the day is this:
Do this user's posts benefit the community?
In this particular case I'd say they don't.
Of course, this is a slippery slope. You could, for example, go too far and say "Hey, let's just ban everybody with score<1", thus creating StalinNews, and we could assure each other how right we are all day long.
On the other hand, not banning somebody who has broken the rules several times (e.g. insulted people) and whose comments are clearly disliked by the vast majority of OSNews' readers can only do harm to this community.
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Member since:2006-07-30
This feature is nice, no doubt about it.
But the annoying person would still be around and spread lies and talk bullshit. Worse still, he would attract more of his kind, up to the point where they would poison the whole community and drive away the people whose posts I like to read.
Anyway, I don't have really strong feelings about this user, it's just that I'd rather have him leave if it was up to me.
But that does not mean that I'm not considering to become a subscriber, if 'only' because I really enjoy this site and, of course, as a justification for my constant bitching "Adam, can you fix this, can you fix that?" ;-)
Member since:2005-07-06
Yeah, you know this is what happens when he shows up on other sites :
"@Moulinneuf:
"va t'enculer, retarde", with my best wishes
Beranger, I'm saying goodbye to this blog if you allow mentally handicapped people post crap."
( http://www.beranger.org/index.php?page=3k&fullarticle=2856 )
So he's not just annoying us :-) Still, he has made over 15 accepted news submissions, so it's not like he's completely useless.
I find ignore and/or mod down (if appropriate) works for me.
Member since:2006-07-30
Hey, you're right about his news submissions. I hadn't checked that.
It never ceases to amaze me how some people are completely reasonable and create high quality posts/submissions on some topics and the next moment they drag one of their 'hate topics' into the most gruesome flame war you've ever seen.
Member since:2005-07-01
The Internet's just like that. There's a strong temptation to post whatever happens to be in your head at the time (e.g. this). Couple that with a healthy disregard for any abuse you might receive (especially if it attacks your grammar/spelling) and you have yourself a recipe for a good flamewar.
Ignore stuff you don't like. It's the only rule. Do not reply to posts which you think should not have been posted. Do reply to good posts, whether you agree with them or not. That's the trick. It's usually a lot harder to think of something to add to a discussion in which someone's already posted your thoughts. Whereas it's easy to tell a idiot all the many ways in which he's an idiot, but it's not very constructive to do so.
Only the most damaging/deliberate abuses should result in banning. This guy clearly isn't trying to trash the place, he's just got a lot of opinions and doesn't let his difficulty in expressing them, hold him back. Oh, and this thread is probably giving his ego a big boost. I always assume that no-one remembers me from previous posts. This guy knows he's made an impact on someone.
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2006-12-28
I am still at a loss to know what to do about the guy though.
I was wondering if anybody has found a way of talking to him that avoids a potential brain hemorrhage trying to read his hate filled rants. Admitedly, he started spewing at me only after I had told him to ef off, so his garbled prose could be the product of agitation, yet I fail to understand why he can't just let people talk about BSD without blowing a fuse. I have tried talking to him in a rational, nice and inquisitive manor but to no avail.
So, in the hope of understanding this nut, I have some questions I'd like to ask you. Just because he has some kind of personal grudge against the BSDs, why does he have to inflict his irrational verbal diareahia on everybody else? Surely there is some way of talking to the guy without him losing the plot entirely?
Am I wasting my time here?
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Member since:2006-12-28
Good point and thanks for that.
It's a shame really. I'm sure that if I could just get him to stop talking such utter shite for a second, I could maybe get a coherent statement on the reasons why he hates BSD so much.
Then again, do I really want to subject myself to the reasoning of someone who hates an OS/licensing philosophy so much that he is willing to call anyone who disagrees with him a lier? I'll probably never know. ;-)