Linked by Eugenia Loli-Queru on Tue 1st Mar 2005 12:45 UTC
Mac OS X Recently Apple added the ability to scroll with your trackpad on the new series of Powerbooks. However, most Mac OS X users were already able to do just that and much more by using the SideTrack utility which works on most iBook and Powerbook models.
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v OGM!
by ozn on Tue 1st Mar 2005 12:50 UTC
Other options
by peragrin on Tue 1st Mar 2005 12:59 UTC

If you don't need(or want) all the cool features that sidetrack gives you(or just plain cheap), iscroll2 is a replacement driver, for some Powerbooks, and ibooks. You do need a specfic model trackpad, and the install will tell you if you can use it.

If not your only option is Sidetrack.

Note I didn't provide a link on purpose, Just google it.

Sidetrack
by tonywob on Tue 1st Mar 2005 13:01 UTC

I got one of the new 17" Powerbooks with the built-in scrolling, and it does not work as expected, especially when using firefox. One accidental move and firefox jumps through pages, etc. Also I think it needs to be slowed down slightly.

I installed Sidetrack on my older PowerBook 12" and it is much better, unfortuatenly it is not compatible with my new Powerbook.

RE: Other Options
by Anonymous on Tue 1st Mar 2005 13:21 UTC

If you don't need(or want) all the cool features that sidetrack gives you(or just plain cheap), iscroll2 is a replacement driver, for some Powerbooks, and ibooks. You do need a specfic model trackpad, and the install will tell you if you can use it.

Jippie. This smal driver is really great. scrolling with the touchpad was definetly the one thing missing on my ibook. and it's free.....

Who needs expensive SideTrack?
by KAMiKAZOW on Tue 1st Mar 2005 13:29 UTC

When you can have iScroll2 for free? (With full source code.)
http://www-users.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de/~razzfazz/
There's even a new release today. ;)

RE: Who needs expensive SideTrack?
by Jon on Tue 1st Mar 2005 13:34 UTC

Peragrin had the decency to respect Trackpad's review and not post a URL of iScroll2. You didn't.

Besides, to answer your question, A LOT of people would need SideTrack instead of iScroll2 because it has more features.

Also, $15 is not expensive. It's a good price considering the amount of work the developer has put into this.

@Jon
by KAMiKAZOW on Tue 1st Mar 2005 13:50 UTC

Why should I care that Peragrin feels that posting the URL is somehow wrong?
And IMO $15 is expensive when you consider that other input device drivers with advanced features like IntelliPoint (for mice), iScroll2, uControl, or DoubleCommand are free.

It's the comments section here and I posted an on-topic comment about an alternative and my few on SideTracks shareware fee. So?

@Jon too
by Freeman on Tue 1st Mar 2005 14:16 UTC

Yeah that'it ...
And OSNews should really stop publishing urls to Linux because of all the work that went into making Windows and proprietary unices great OSes !

I'm sorry but proprietary software is a dead end and people writing it should be aware that their business model is stale.

That said I haven't tried sidetrack but it looks like it has a quite different featureset than iScroll2 so its author can still hope to make a few bucks from it.

I'll pay
by Bubba on Tue 1st Mar 2005 14:23 UTC

I know it's a pipe dream and will never happen but I really wish Apple would just give me two buttons. That said, I will try the software and if I like it $15.00 is "chicken feed" and I will gladly pay it. Thanks for the article.

v Old news
by Mr Ed on Tue 1st Mar 2005 15:08 UTC
v RE: Old news
by Eugenia on Tue 1st Mar 2005 15:11 UTC
Horizontal scroll
by TLy on Tue 1st Mar 2005 15:13 UTC

Maybe this is common knowledge and I'm just being repetitive but none the less:

If you are in a window with a horizontal scroll bar, holding down the CMD button while scrolling with a mouse wheel (third party mouse) will scroll the window view horizontally rather than vertically. I thought that was pretty cool, and it works in pretty much all the windows I've tried.

I wonder if it behaves the same with the various scrolling software alternatives.

RE: Horizontal scroll
by Eugenia on Tue 1st Mar 2005 15:16 UTC

No, it doesn't with SideTrack. I guess you can email the author to add the feature.

RE: all of the above
by peragrin on Tue 1st Mar 2005 15:25 UTC

First you don't post links to Linux distro's or Apple computers when talking about Windows. You don't point to MSFT when you are talking about Apple unless it deals with both.

It's called respect for topic on hand.

Second. Sidetrack and iscroll2 do have horizantal scrolling on the pad.

Third. Sidetrack has features, and fine adjustments that iscroll2 doesn't.

Do is still kill your system?
by The Raven on Tue 1st Mar 2005 15:53 UTC

I was recommended SideTrack a while ago, and shortly after installing it, I got my first kernel panic. This repeated a couple of times a week until I reinstalled the OS (uninstalling SideTrack didn't seem to do anything to fix it). This experience was mirrored by a couple of friends of mine who tried it at around the same time. Since then, I have avoided SideTrack like the proverbial plague. Are newer versions more stable?

RE: Do is still kill your system?
by Eugenia on Tue 1st Mar 2005 15:56 UTC

It's rock solid here, I use it for 4 months.
If you get kernel panics it seems that you have lots of drivers/hacks installed and something goes wrong. On a clean system like mine (I try to keep my OSX clean), there isn't the single problem.

This is special?
by dael on Tue 1st Mar 2005 17:08 UTC

I've used this scrolling feature with my Synaptics TouchPad on my non-apple Laptop for quite a while, now... as I'm sure many others have. Now, the mapping multiple buttons to the trackpad seems to be nice, for apple users.. but hardly amazing or worthy of throwing dollars at.

money
by atom on Tue 1st Mar 2005 18:11 UTC

i liked sidetrack until it became a for-pay program. now it is just annoying because it pops up its annoyance box WAY too often. even usb overdrive only shows it on boot.

i'll have to try out iscroll2. $15 may not seem like a lot, but i dont think sidetrack is worth more than $7. maybe i'm cheap. maybe the author is greedy.

I've tried it, and I like it.
by JBQ on Tue 1st Mar 2005 19:05 UTC

I've tried it, and I like it. For the first time the trackpad of an Powerbook seems to behave in a way that I expect (being a nearly full-time PC user), thanks to the "Redmond" mode.

My choice
by iPaqMan on Tue 1st Mar 2005 19:34 UTC

I've used both and I prefer the iScroll2 software. Not because it is free but due to its design methodology. I don't like the way that SideTrack subdivides your trackpad. It gets very annoying when you make movements beyond the designated areas.

iScroll2 is not perfect by any means but the steady release of upgrades will soon make it a solid choice.

My $0.02

P.S. Who cares if someone made a link to a competing product. We're on the web! The internet's sole function is to make information interconnected and easy to get to. It's ignorant to think that we owe any one product some kind of loyalty.

Re : Sidetrack
by Jeff B on Tue 1st Mar 2005 19:36 UTC

I got a new 12" PB with the scroll, and it works great.

FireFox is the one with the problem, any Cocoa app works fine, I think that Mozilla is a Carbon app which is why it has the issue.

re: Jeff B. --Firefox Issues
by peragrin on Tue 1st Mar 2005 20:15 UTC

The problem is Firefox deals with horizantal scrolling as backwards, Forwards for pages. To change this to scrolling

in firefox go to about:config (type it in address field)
change mousewheel.horizscroll.withnokey.action to 0
change mousewheel.horizscroll.withnokey.numlines to 1

Not sure what the other settings give you. But this was posted to slashdot a few weeks ago.

@tonywob
by Altair on Tue 1st Mar 2005 20:58 UTC

In firefox go to about:config and change the following key (I believe) to false:
mousewheel.withnokey.sysnumlines

This turns off firefoxes infinite acceleration on scrolling to something that a human can use. That is the most annoying default setting in firefox for the mac.

replacement trackpads
by lamo on Tue 1st Mar 2005 21:28 UTC

Always thought someone should make a replacement trackpad for the highend power books that had three mice... but looks like this will work too. I mean if you pay 3 grand for a laptop I am sure you would pay $150 for a better trackpad with 3 buttons....

Horizontal scrolling
by Stew on Tue 1st Mar 2005 22:56 UTC

Instead of mucking about with Firefox's about:config settings, you could just turn off horizontal scrolling in System Preferences.

iScroll
by badtz on Tue 1st Mar 2005 23:25 UTC

does anyone happen to know if iScroll works on the 667mhz DVI Powerbook?

Re: Horizontal scrolling
by Jeff B on Wed 2nd Mar 2005 01:10 UTC

I happen to find horizontal scrolling very useful and would rather NOT turn it off.

what about hold-to-right-click?
by Torgeir on Wed 2nd Mar 2005 03:54 UTC

I've seen this in a mac browser, dont remember if it's firefox or some other, and i'm not a mac owner currently, so a bit hard to check..

I think it would make sense to allow a click and hold (without motion) to mean a double click, eg. if you click and hold a link in a webpage, it makes sense the app opens up the context menu as if you've been right clicking.

I know about sidetracks corner clicking abilities, but it doesn't feel as natural. Maybe a savy programmer could add it to iscroll2?

RE: what about hold-to-right-click?
by Jon on Wed 2nd Mar 2005 04:31 UTC

this might interfere with applications that already support that by themselves. It might create new bugs.

Re: what about hold-to-right-click?
by Anonymous on Wed 2nd Mar 2005 04:52 UTC

Personally I prefer double-finger/three-finger right/middle clicks. As far as I can tell these only seem to be supported by the Linux Synaptics touchpad driver, although detection is done in hardware.

The hold-to-click thing isn't a bad idea, but it's a bit slow since you have to have that pause - and if Apple built it into their touchpad they might be seen as admitting that one button wasn't enough :-P

cocoa gestures
by Steve on Wed 2nd Mar 2005 10:36 UTC

you laptop fiends need to try cocoa gestures.

it will make browsing especially super fun.
like hold down "fn" and slide your finger to the left to go back.

cocoa gestures work on all cocoa apps
.... duh ;)

oh yeah it is free.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/18404

new trackpads
by Richard Fillion on Wed 2nd Mar 2005 15:46 UTC

Wow, 28 comments in and no one has mentioned what I'm about to say...

The new trackpads aren't all that 'new'. Apparently they've been included on ibooks and powerbooks as far back as a year and a half ago. There exists a driver you can install that will enable the new two-finger scrolling on older laptops. I don't have the URL with me at the moment, but I've seen it in action and it's pretty slick.

RE: new trackpads
by Strokemouth on Wed 2nd Mar 2005 23:15 UTC

Wow, 28 comments in and no one has mentioned what I'm about to say...

Are you being sarcastic? That's what half of the comments here were about.

And, staying on topic, older versions of SideTrack did give me KP's. But, I recently tried the newer versions and it is rock solid. Definitely a great product and worth $15 for the extra features.

That being said, I just use iScroll2 since I really never used any of said extra features anyways.