Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 30th Apr 2008 12:55 UTC, submitted by diegocg
Linux The (unstable and development-oriented only) filesystem Btrfs version 0.14 has been released. "Btrfs is a new copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Initially developed by Oracle, Btrfs is licensed under the GPL and open for contribution from anyone."
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btrfs++
by SEJeff (3.8) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 14:24 UTC
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http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org btrfs homepage for the adventureous

If it is as stable, this will very likely replace ext3/4 as the default linux filesystem in most major distros.

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excited
by DirtyHarry (3.68) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 14:33 UTC
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Although in a very early state I'm soooo excited about this filing system. In stead of whining about 'ZFS for Linux' I think this project has a higher change of succeeding in being the 'next-generation' filing system for Linux. I'm not saying it's better than ZFS, but is doesn't have the political issues of ZFS.

Also I get the idea that kernel community is waiting in anticipation for this stuff. And now Hans R. is probably going to jail for a long time we can forget Reiser4...

Long live BTRFS!

RE: excited
by Sodki (4.36) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 16:28 UTC in reply to "excited"
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I'm not saying it's better than ZFS, but is doesn't have the political issues of ZFS.

What political issues? The only problem of ZFS, as far as Linux is concerned, is that its license is GPL incompatible.

RE[2]: excited
by Wes Felter (2.92) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 16:31 UTC in reply to "RE: excited"
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Licensing is political. NIH is also a political issue.

RE[3]: excited
by Kakihara (1) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 16:34 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: excited"
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But the problem is that GPL is too restrictive. Thus ZFS couldn't be included in Linux kernel and Btrfs(also GPL) won't be easily included in other operating systems. If I understand correctly...

RE[4]: excited
by Luminair (3.12) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 22:23 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: excited"
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sun could make zfs gpl. there was talk about it as a trade for linux kernel drivers.

but they chose not to because they are launching new products that use it, and it is a big differentiating feature between them and linux.

RE[4]: excited
by sbergman27 (5) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 22:48 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: excited"
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Thus ZFS couldn't be included in Linux kernel and Btrfs(also GPL) won't be easily included in other operating systems.

That's life. Seriously. Choices have consequences, and some of them are beneficial and some of them are not. It is unlikely that ZFS will see inclusion in the Linux kernel, and it is unlikely that btrfs will see inclusion in the *Solaris kernel. (Should that be plural or not?) Sometimes those kinds of barriers are significant, and sometimes they are not. I am not convinced that the sharing of filesystem code has much benefit over cross-pollenation of *ideas* in this particular case, for reasons which I have outlined elsewhere in this thread.

I find that discussions on licensing often end up doing nothing more than generating bad blood and resentment between the various parties, without yielding any meaningful benefits.

RE[3]: excited
by sbergman27 (5) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 16:43 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: excited"
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NIH is also a political issue.

An impedance mismatch between the ZFS architecture and Linux kernel architecture is *not* political, however. Sun's goals for ZFS, apparently, are for it the be the Solaris filesystem. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. That strategy has its strengths. And in that case, putting the layering of logical levels into ZFS itself makes perfect sense. However, supporting a broad range of filesystems is a strategy which also has its strengths, and that is what Linux does. In that case, having all the layering of raid, volume manager, fs, etc. in ZFS itself makes no sense at all.

No NIH is required to see that ZFS, while a good fit for Solaris, is a poor fit for Linux.

As to licensing... that does have a political aspect. But the problem is primarily a practical one from the Linux kernel devs standpoint. Although an argument could be made that Sun's choice of license might have been motivated by political (or perhaps "strategic" would be a better word) factors.

Edited 2008-04-30 16:44 UTC

RE[4]: excited
by Wes Felter (2.92) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 17:38 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: excited"
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I don't think that argument holds, since Btrfs is busy copying all the "layer violation" features from ZFS such as RAID.

RE: excited
by FunkyELF (2.92) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 20:42 UTC in reply to "excited"
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I'm not saying it's better than ZFS, but is doesn't have the political issues of ZFS.


You're right...it being GPL, it has its own political issues.

ZFS and the Linux kernel are incompatible. End of story.

Edited 2008-04-30 20:48 UTC

Lets get ZFS in the Kernel
by FunkyELF (2.92) on Wed 30th Apr 2008 20:50 UTC
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I wonder why we haven't seen any implementation of ZFS in the Linux kernel.

Just because something is illegal doesn't mean the community won't work on it. Look at XBMC, although now it has a Linux port, it was originally made for hacked xboxes using an illegally acquired and unlicensed XDKs. That didn't stop people from working on it and hosting the binaries in some country that doesn't care about those issues.

Would it be illegal to ship a compiled Linux kernel along side some ZFS source code that has been modified to work with the kernel, and then supply a script to compile it as a module?

I definitely see how shipping a kernel binary with that support built directly into it would be illegal. But if you leave it to the end user to build it is it illegal?

RE: Lets get ZFS in the Kernel
by WereCatf (3.84) on Thu 1st May 2008 05:50 UTC in reply to "Lets get ZFS in the Kernel"
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Would it be illegal to ship a compiled Linux kernel along side some ZFS source code that has been modified to work with the kernel, and then supply a script to compile it as a module?

I definitely see how shipping a kernel binary with that support built directly into it would be illegal. But if you leave it to the end user to build it is it illegal?


That would still be illegal. If you really, really need ZFS that bad then I'd suggest to go to http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/