Linked by Eugenia Loli-Queru on Wed 24th Oct 2007 09:26 UTC
Multimedia, AV Helios Labs sent us in their H4000 Upscaling DVD/DivX player for an introduction. While at OSNews we are mostly focused on system software, it is interesting to check out such devices from time to time, because of their added video features over the stock products usually found in the market.
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Nice Review
by segedunum (3) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 11:17 UTC
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Nice and timely review, as I need a new general purpose DVD player. However, I'm not sure what good HDMI and high definition connectors are when it can't actually play any high definition content.........

What's interesting to note here is the fact that the player not only is region free, but also it allows HD upscaling via component, which actually is not very legal.

I would imagine that is a condition of playing any high definition content, such as from BluRay or HD-DVD, which this device can't do. It's basically a legal licensing requirement when you sign up to play back high definition discs, just like region encoding is, and there are many players around that ignore that. I'm not sure why people think that it's automatically illegal, but I suppose that's the impression that's created.

Now, if it were a Myth front-end box then that would be something.

Video
by jal_ (1.8) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 12:03 UTC
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Is it really that hard putting your cam on a tripod or if that's to expensive, a chair or something? I had the impression there was an earth quake when the video was shot...

RE: Video
by Eugenia (Staff) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 18:38 UTC in reply to "Video"
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It was 2 AM when I did the video, didn't wanna wake up everybody here.

Oppo
by matt.britt (1.92) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 12:13 UTC
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This thing doesn't seem to top the Oppo DV-970HD, which does a great job with various XviD/DivX files, and which will also upscale over component with a simple firmware hack.

RE: Oppo
by bhhenry (1.4) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 14:52 UTC in reply to "Oppo"
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Also nice about the Oppo 970-HD and 980H is the USB port which can play video and music and show pictures from flash drives.

No 1080p, no buy
by kragil (5.44) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 12:24 UTC
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If i buy a video gadget in 2007 it has to play all DivX/whatever formats i can get my hands on.

Otherwise i will stay with my Xbox Media Center ( that thing even plays video files WITHIN .rar files. Amazing stuff )

Worse than Oppo
by Ookaze (2.8) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 12:25 UTC
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So basically, they couldn't even reach the Oppo in feature, so I won't even dare to guess how it does image quality wise. I hope all of this is made up with its price, though the Oppo are cheap already.

Outputting HD through component is not illegal, and never was. That's just that 1080p through component is not in the norm, so it's wise not to do it. Because as it's not in the standard, most HDTV don't accept that through component, but all accept 720p through component, as it's in the standard.

The purpose of the HDMI connection is obvious : when the player upscales the DVD signal to 720p or 1080p, then of course, you need a HDMI or a component connection to your TV.

The HD Divx/Xvid not working is perfectly normal, as these are not official formats, and mkv isn't either.
These upscaling progressive DVD players are NOT HD players as well, they are just upscaling SD resolutions to HD resolutions. They have chips specialized for that. So no, they won't play any HD format, even official MP4 (AVC-1, H264, ...). Lots of people have problems understanding that.

Finally, this review lacks the basics, which are the tests of the upscaling and deinterlacing quality.

Edited 2007-10-24 12:29

RE: Worse than Oppo
by BrianH (2.4) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 13:58 UTC in reply to "Worse than Oppo"
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The HD Divx/Xvid not working is perfectly normal, as these are not official formats, and mkv isn't either.


I don't care whether the formats are official, I just care whether they are supported. They are standard formats (scene standards, but still) and at this point more widely adopted than HD-DVD and BluRay combined. If the player appliances haven't caught up then they are much less useful.

If HD-DVD and BluRay had actually been combined, instead of setting up another format war, then perhaps downloaded video wouldn't be winning this round.

Region Coding
by SpasmaticSeacow (2.72) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 12:53 UTC
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By WIPO rules, region coding would not be an enforcable portion of a contract with regard to playback devices. WIPO countries are prohibitted from enforcing laws or contract terms which might restrict access to works on the basis of geographical region. In some WIPO signatory countries, region coding is more explicitly a prohibitted anti-competitive practice.

When Region Coding does exist, it's generally their as a concession to the media industry to foster good relations and cooperation in other parts of the business.

North America (region 1) is the only region where honoring region codes on media is still commonplace.

SACD
by netpython (2.44) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 15:59 UTC
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Unfortunately is doesn't play SACD's.

A bit offtopic
by miscz (3.32) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 17:10 UTC
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I'm looking for a DVR device. Ideally it could take digital (I'm quite confused about this part ;) ) and analog signal, have output with HDMI (with upscale), use Electronic Program Guide, play DivX, XviD and h.264 encoded videos. Am I asking for too much? Pionieer DVRs look quite good but are limited to DivX videos, does anybody have experience with such hardware that he/she could share?
Building custom MythTV / Windows Media Center computer is too much of a fuss.

RE: A bit offtopic
by Wintermute (4.28) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 18:19 UTC in reply to "A bit offtopic"
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Yeah I wondering about the same thing. Anyone know of any DVR devices on the market that can play both avi and mkv containers and support every common codec out there (DivX, Xvid, H264, mp3, ogg, ac3, dts) as well as supporting srt subs?

HD DVD or Bluray support is not needed at all. Why would you want to use that shitty cripleware.

RE: A bit offtopic
by Ookaze (2.8) on Thu 25th Oct 2007 09:17 UTC in reply to "A bit offtopic"
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Unfortunately for you, there's no way to get any DVR that does all that you ask for, unless you go for a pre-made MythTV DVR.
There is no DVR that can do that except MythTV, and this is because of various licensing reasons.

So you have a choice: building custom MythTV, buying one if it does all you want, or buy sth with far far less features.

Keep the stuff !
by Cass (1.8) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 19:23 UTC
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Im wondering if you get to keep all the stuff you get to review, great job if you do .. even half of it would be nice, why would the company want this cheap upscaler back after its used ..

:-)

RE: Keep the stuff !
by Eugenia (Staff) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 19:46 UTC in reply to "Keep the stuff !"
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Some times we keep the reviewed items because it's more expensive for the companies to pay back fedex and restock them rather than leave them with us. Sometimes, we have to send them back, if they are more expensive items, yes.

illegal
by Redeeman (2.88) on Wed 24th Oct 2007 19:52 UTC
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why is it not legal to upscale standard definition to higher resolution and output via component?

RE: illegal
by Ookaze (2.8) on Thu 25th Oct 2007 09:21 UTC in reply to "illegal"
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Like I said already, it is perfectly legal.
It's just that you need high quality cable, and outputting 1080p through component is not in the standard.
So upscaling to 720p through component is OK, but 1080p may not work on your display.
Usually, these DVD players allow choice between both definitions when upscaling.

File formats
by J. M. (2.12) on Thu 25th Oct 2007 05:29 UTC
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Just a quick note: DivX and Xvid are not file formats. Xvid is a software library that encodes and decodes MPEG-4 ASP video (which is then put into file formats, aka containers, such as AVI or MP4). DivX is a company and a brand name of their commercial products such as the DivX Pro Codec, which, again, is a software product that encodes and decodes MPEG-4 ASP video (which, again, you put into file formats such as AVI or the DivX Media Format, which is a container created by the DivX company, based on AVI). If the device cannot play a particular MPEG-4 video encoded with Xvid, DivX or other MPEG-4 compliant codecs, it's not because it's a different format, it's because unsupported features (Qpel, GMC, multiple B-frames...), resolution, bitrate or an unsupported container format were used.

Edited 2007-10-25 05:30

RE: File formats
by Eugenia (Staff) on Thu 25th Oct 2007 08:37 UTC in reply to "File formats"
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Yes, we know, thank you.

RE[2]: File formats
by l3v1 (3.56) on Thu 25th Oct 2007 15:15 UTC in reply to "RE: File formats"
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Yes, we know, thank you.


Yeesh, whatever floats your boat. Still, you only say "was not able to playback all XViD files we threw at it" but fail to mention what you have to do for those files to be playable, which most frequently is a gmc/qpel issue. With divx, you say "but for some of them it would hiccup, even if the bitrate/resolution was smaller than other DivX files" which makes it sound like it's a resolution issue, but whether it is or it isn't one can't really find out. So basically you say we some worked and some didn't, go figure.

RE[2]: File formats
by J. M. (2.12) on Thu 25th Oct 2007 18:20 UTC in reply to "RE: File formats"
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"Yes, we know, thank you."

I guess that's why the article says: "the H4000 can playback the following file formats, when read from an optical disk: MPEG4, MPEG2, MPEG1, DivX, Xvid". :-)

But OK then...