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Oh god, why do you allocate a whopping 16k on the stack for such a short string? Furthermore half of this code is unecessary.

Plus you don't even use that define.

Also, didn't include stdio.h, so the compiler won't do much with printf. doSomething hasn't been defined either...

Not sure about bool sorry, maybe use int?

Maybe the string could have been defined in a const, something like
char OpenLetter[] = "empty promises";

There are a few other problems with the code as well, but lets not get into casting (void) for printf's etc...

so we now have...

#include <stdio.h>

void doSomething(void) {
/*...*/
}

int main(void) {
int action = 0;
char openLetter[] = "empty promises";

if (!action)
(void)printf("%s", openLetter);
else
doSomething("substantive");

return 0;
}

I'm sure there are a lot of other things we can do here too, like use fprintf, include <stdlib.h> perhaps, umm, return SUCCESS instead of 0, maybe (void)main(void) instead? There is also the problem of hardcoding values so code never gets reached - lol...

Seriously, I hope Amiga does go somewhere and they do find a market for it. I'm not sure why so many people here don't like it. I'll stick with OS X personally, and I'm sure most people will stick with their OS of choice, but if Amiga can find a market for DE, then more power to them...

Gee, you think 16k is too much? Really? He had room to say something useful, but didn't. I reduced his letter to two words. Thanks for pointing out that I left him a few thousand extra bytes to say something, I sure didn't notice it ... pure genius.



Missing the humor again you pedantic twat. I used it to make a reference to STATUS QUO. Get a sense of humor, Captain Oblivious.

Edited 2007-10-03 18:16 UTC

Am I missing the humor in your post or are you missing it in mine?

People do still use these OSes out of pure stubbornness and there's no reason to at all. They are the ones that fuel this 'new Amiga' crap that is still going on.

Edited 2007-10-03 10:13

Yeah right.. try run linux/bsd/winblows/osx on a 14mhz 68020 and tell me how many hours you have to wait before you can even start a file manager....

not to mention that some of us do have some code for the amiga which have no x86 equivelants..

not to mention that some of us do have some code for the amiga which have no x86 equivelants..

Well either start recoding or use winuae or cloanto's stuff. If amiga doesn't come out with something cheap and cool enough to buy then it's not going to happen again.

Accept it, Amiga is dead a thing of the past. It hasn't moved since last century. If you keep hoping you'll get dissappointed again and again. Get over it.

where does one even get a 68020 anymore? Esp when I can get a 2Ghz x86 cpu for like $50.

yet the 68020 still boots faster into a usable user interface than what you have on your 140 times higher clocked x86.....

"try run linux/bsd/winblows/osx on a 14mhz 68020"

Well, it's not 1985 anymore and hardware has actually moved forward since then.

Yeah right.. try run linux/bsd/winblows/osx on a 14mhz 68020 and tell me how many hours you have to wait before you can even start a file manager....

Once upon a time, Windows, MacOS, and several Unix flavours did run on 14 MHz processors.

Who wants a 14 MHz personal computer today? I don't.

Edited 2007-10-03 13:46

are you serious? 14mhz chip? LOLOL even my nintendo DS has a 67 MHz ARM9 chip. what i don't understand is WHY amiga doesn't try to get their os working on common hardware. they always try to get some wierd outdated hardware monstrocity for their os. by the time they get their os working on the ancient wierd hardware, it wont be on the market anymore. They need to just use common x86 hardware just like apple did. i mean, if apple had problems using their own hardware, it must be a nightmare for amiga.

Well, there's also Lunix, which runs on the Commodore 64 which runs a mighty 6510 @ 1.02 Mhz. Something even Amiga OS cannot do

Yeah, and I still have floppies with Mac software written in Pascal from 1986.

But no one's getting necrophiliac on 512k Macs just because they boot faster than OS X on a Mac Pro.

No way any reasonable person is going to give up everything a modern OS gives you just to boot in 10 seconds, especially when you can run a Linux box for 6 months without rebooting.

Amiga maybe could have place in ultraportable laptops or PDA's where that kind of thing is actually important, and where you can give up some of the power a modern desktop OS gives you, but you would need serious companies with serious developers working on it. Not the circus freak show you have now.

Amiga is long dead. Let it go. I let go my beloved Mac OS 7.5 10 years ago. It's going to be OK, I promise.

>No way any reasonable person is going to give up everything a modern OS gives you just to boot in 10 seconds, especially when you can run a Linux box for 6 months without rebooting.

Just curious, what features would you be giving up that is integral to the OS? What core feature, not talking apps or the like, the actual OS features themselves.

I'm still an Amiga fan. I hope someone finds a way to bring it back to some useful state, even if only as a hobby item. I have Amiga computers, have OS4, but have not used them for nearly 2 years now. I mostly use my iBook with OSX these days at home, but also have 2 WindowsXP boxes and a Linux box. At work I use Solaris and Linux.

I tried to sort out a way to bring OS4 to Apple's PPC hardware, particularly the iBook as I'd love an "Amiga laptop", but Amiga Inc. ignored those license inquiries as well as license inquiries to make a new hardware design, all contacts sent to Amiga's own defined technology licensing email address set up for exactly that purpose. But since getting some laptops at home I found I did not like to be tethered to my office where the Amigas are, and they fell into disuse in favor of computers that could go where I pleased.

PPC hw is practically dead. It'd be a waste of time and money to port an OS to old Apple G3/G4 hw which isn't supported by anyone any longer.

x86 based hw can be cheap enough to revive AmigaOS and it would be made to fly by inexpensive Semprons and Celerons. MicroITX (VIA and Intel) and miniATX solutions would be great.

PPC hw is practically dead. It'd be a waste of time and money to port an OS to old Apple G3/G4 hw which isn't supported by anyone any longer.

I'll take that over zero hardware of any kind. I don't disagree with porting to x86, but if that's not on the table, porting to obsolete PPC Mac hardware only found on Ebay is still better then a total void.

I agree with you that a port too old/unsupported PPC hw is better than nothing. At least that would show AmigaOS isn't defunct and a relic of a glorious past. But would you risk buying an expensive 2ndhand Mac without guarantee? I wouldn't. I don't think it's enough to rely on Mac owners, because most of them have never been interested in Amiga. So x86 is the way to go.

Besides nostalgia? People are always on the lookout for a good Windows alternative.

But with most other OSs (Mac included!) tying themselves to the open-source philosophy ("Don't worry about breaking things, it's the user's responsibility to figure out what went wrong and how to fix it, and lecture them about how they are obligated to support 'the community' by giving us all they create while we're pushing this on to them"), there are very few alternatives left; mostly, AmigaOS and SkyOS (plus a dozen or so meant for very niche markets and which aren't quite the same thing as an alternative general OS).

And between AmigaOS and SkyOS, at least pre-ordering SkyOS gives you access to functional, downloadable images of the same system the developers are working on, plus a private forum where you can file bug reports and talk with the developers...

>Same shit different day. Always trying to lock it in, never thinking that if they freaking opened up the OS, they could actually make money.

Agreed 100%. They do not have the time, nor developer resources, to dedicate to anything at this point. If you want your community to do your work for you, as they have shown a desire for in the past, then you have to trust that same community with your very lives, the source code itself.

If AOS did go OSS, I'd imagine that AROS would get a huge boost in development, giving them an actual, sellable product.

Repeat after me: Open source is not a magic cure-all handed down from the gods.

We might also add this axiom: The people who will only use my program if I give it away are not my user base.

Atleast it's not a threat for what is dead unusable software and ip anyway.

Open Source is not a magic cure-all, but it would have been in this case.

You forget, in '00, they announced that AmigaOS was dead, discontinued, never to be developed again. The future was AmigaDE, a new OS built on top of Tao.

i say it is for a small niche market,where mostly hobbiest are involved and are the userbase. it can cure most anything in those cases. Keeping the platform closed means that essentially NOTHING gets released while in an opensource environment at least something gets released even if its not great in the beginning, but the users have the chance to add, tweak, change the source so that scratching their own itch might actually become and scratching those users backs as well. The power of opensource is in the contribution that developers bring to the table. Keeping Amiga closed means nobody contributes and no one benefits at all. I've used AROS and eventhough its a bit rough it looks to have potential and it really only needs a larger community of developers.

"Open source is not a magic cure-all handed down from the gods."

No one is arguing that, but still, look at the success of Ubuntu, Red Hat, and other linux distros. The money is in services, not so much in the actual OS these days.

"The people who will only use my program if I give it away are not my user base."

You say that as though there is a userbase for 4.0 to have. Haiku and Syllable are making more progress than that one.

Open source is not a magic wand, but it would prevent exactly what is happening to Amiga: having an entire community at the mercy of incompetent companies and greedy lawyers.

Same shit different day. Always trying to lock it in, never thinking that if they freaking opened up the OS, they could actually make money.

Please describe how they make money by giving away their one and only product to open source...

I do believe that Amiga Inc. should allow the OS4 developers to bring this software to more hardware, any PPC platform, to x86, etc. to unleash the shackles it has to no longer existent hardware (I have that hardware and it works, but no one can buy them anymore). But I don't see any need for it to be open-source. If you want open-source, then use AROS and be happy. But what we really need is license to bring this OS4, proprietary or not, to hardware people can buy and use.

Well, you can always buy some:

Egg and bacon
Egg, sausage and bacon
Egg and fud
Egg, bacon and fud
Egg, bacon, sausage and fud
fud, bacon, sausage and fud
fud, egg, fud, fud, bacon and fud
fud, fud, fud, egg, and fud
fud, fud, fud, fud, fud, fud, baked beans, fud, fud, fud and fud
Lobster thermidor aux crevettes with a Mornay sauce garnished with truffle paté, brandy and with a fried egg on top and fud
fud, sausage, fud, fud, fud, bacon, fud, tomato and fud

spam,spam,spam,spam....

you so got a +1 for that one

I would seriously mod you up a billion points if I could.

This has sadly been the state of Amiga for years. Just two more weeks, two more months. Oh we're almost there. It's like waiting for a Debian release to become stable, except that Debian eventually does release something.

I recall finally being excited that Amiga OS 4 was finished. But then there was no actual hardware to put it on.

I think even GEM and TOS are more or less open source now. At least EmuTOS is around for the latter part, and I think Digital opened up GEM a long time ago, though it wasn't necessarily the Atari GEM.

Amiga Inc. could make a lot of money opening up Amiga OS. Ah, how we all miss the Workbench.

Quoted text:
"our being quiet has been interpreted as weakness or an open invitation to attempt harming our business relationships and opportunities with partners and customers"

Don't you dare try and blame this mess on anyone other than yourselves.
End of quoted text.

Yeah, because no progress isn't a weakness!
And oh how bad to tell others nothing is happening over at amiga inc at all and everything is a failure to their potential partners and customers.
The truth hurts!

To bad that Ubuntuguy didn't bought it instead ;D

To be fair to Bill McEwen, I really do blame Amiga Inc's problems on incompetence rather than malice.

Things have just been too f--ked up for far too long. I can't see any possible way out of this mess that's going to happen within this decade.

Yea, the path of quietness. Ironic then that this very same Bill McEwen offered to answer "questions fromt eh audience" a few months ago but never followed up on them...
http://www.amigaweb.net/index.php?function=view_news&id=612

I'm curious as to the reason for their quietness since then.

If they have paid for the rights to use it why can't it exist longer?

I think you're crazy to say that the x86/x86_64 platform is stagnant. PCI express, SATA, Core2 and other high performance per watt CPUs? Multi-core systems for grandma? Heck we even have physics processing units these days (we have yet to see if they'll ever become successful). Media center PCs, servers in the home... the only stagnant thing I see in this article is Amiga Inc.

stevieu83 (Me) - Ya know. This video is haunting...(Deathbed Vigil trailer on YouTube)

*shudders*

Well, I shall continue to go through life moaning. The 'failure' of the Amiga is another thing to moan about, along with the crap that goes on in this world.

The whole computer market/it industry is another situation that sums our race up. Blind and devoid! (well, I won't mention names)

Darn.


hazydave (Dave Haynie - Commodore, Chief Engineer) - I read an interview with Bob Dylan; he had an observation.. was a time when you could travel in the USA, and it was like changing countries in Europe. Today the culture is the same.

That's reflected in computing,.. we have PCs, Windows, all the same. Weirdness is tragically ust at the fringe. You can travel to Key West or New Orleans or Austin and get a slice of "something better" today. There are few using something else... but the differences are dramatically less than back in the 80s.

>> Sorry Bill but the *valuation* of a company is not
>> based solely on what cash you have at hand.
It doesn't matter because DiscreetFX CAN'T buy Amiga anyway.

Amiga Tech(acquired by Commodore) /B/
Commodore(bankrupt) /D/
Escom(bankrupt) /F/
Gateway(acquired by Acer) /H/
Itec LLC(acquired by KMOS) /J/
KMOS(still alive?) /L/
M-?
The next Amiga owner is mystical "M" company.

Edited 2007-10-03 23:09

If we apply "perverse mirror" technique we'll know
the future of KMOS:

acquired
bankrupt
bankrupt
acquired
----------
acquired
bankrupt -> KMOS

Let AROS take over the kingdom!

The thing is, if Amiga Inc. was serious about staying in business, there would be a product out now -- there are PLENTY of affordable, available, already existing solutions, even for PPC hardware. Small form-factor PCs are flooding the market, and there are many below $500 (heck, several are breaking below the $100 barrier).

The amount of work that does not need to be done by Amiga cannot be overstated. Heck, with the money and the rights, I could have these things out by Christmas...

> Has anyone else noticed that Amiga Inc.'s official site
> now has a 'donation meter' to keep the site running
> from month to month?

It ain't an official site, it's a community site. http://amiga.com is the official site. You might also check .com and .org definitions, it might help you in the future on not being so clueless...