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No matter which license something has been placed under, someone will always complain, even if under no terms whatsoever being claimed by the original author.

Nothing to see/read here, move along

If they want to develop an IDE, encourage them!

More choice is better, as not everyone thinks/works the same way.

(Yes, I need to spend more time myself on that topic)

"...even if under no terms whatsoever being claimed by the original author. "

Contrary to what it seems, this would be pretty close to a worst-case scenario

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of...

BTW, Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs is definitely a non-opensource license (by the OSI definition)

I think JT was referring to public domain, or the slightly more encumbered BSD or MIT license.

The headline and the summary sounds like Genestation is a BeIDE-replacement written for the Haiku project.
The Haiku project is about replacing closed source Be code with open source code.

Genestation is nothing of that. Genestation is not targetted at Haiku, it's targetted at Zeta and Genestation is not open source. So with this premises: how can Genestation become the „IDE for Haiku's future"?

If Thom hadn't posted that misleading summary and just wrote something like „Genestation is an IDE for the illegal Zeta OS. Genestation is closed source and for non-commercial use only. A port of Genestation to Haiku is considered for the future." and no confusion about Genestation would arise.

Edited 2007-09-09 11:15

If Thom hadn't posted that misleading summary and just wrote something like �Genestation is an IDE for the illegal Zeta OS. Genestation is closed source and for non-commercial use only. A port of Genestation to Haiku is considered for the future." and no confusion about Genestation would arise.

1) I didn't write the summary.
2) Zeta is not illegal.

>2) Zeta is not illegal.

Please explain.

"(Yes, I need to spend more time myself on that topic)"

Oh really you said that now *how* many times?

;-D

It's not "the" IDE for Haiku, but "an" IDE for Haiku. Subtle but significant difference.

Hopefully there will be more than one IDE for Haiku in the future, and users will then be able to choose the one they prefer or like better.

It's not even "an" IDE for Haiku's future, because it's targetted at Zeta and a Haiku port is just planed and not definitive.

Haiku 1.0 is just planned, so what's your point? You seem to have a real axe to grind against GenesTation, mabe you should tell us why? OK it's closed source, but so is lots of code that people use to make OSS software. It may not be appropriate to be the main IDE for Haiku, because it can't be bundled, but that doesn't stop it being useful to people who want to use it.

I'm just against calling it a Haiku app. It's not. It's a Zeta app.

Well, there is GPL'ed files in the Haiku sources, at least according to mphipps, and according to him any file under a non-commercial license can never become a part of Haiku.

So yes, this is a great third party tool for students, but open source it is not.

Again, there are so many open source IDE's so if this is important, it's reasonably easy to port one to Haiku. Personally I don't consider it important. It can wait 'till after Haiku goes Beta

> Be happy that Haiku will have an actively-developed
> open source IDE.

GenesTation is not open source. However, it is free (as in beer).

This is a third party initiative and it's not intended to become part of the Haiku code base; so license compatibility is not an issue.

Regardless of the license, this can bring more options to Haiku in the future, so it is a positive development.

"IDE's are lame anyway, If you can't use vi - You shouldn't be programming."

I don't use VI. In fact, I've never used VI...yet somehow I've been a professional developer for going on 7 years now. Interesting don't ya think? ;-)

(For any folks born w/o a funny bone, yes I realize that BSDFan was being sarcastic)

LOL

I know the feeling. Those rules sux. However, nobody has put forth any kind of claim even remotely connected to your homorous post.

The fact that some pointed out that the license was Haiku-incompatible doesn't mean that they want to control the work of the developer. Nobody has claimed that. OTOH virtually nobody are particularly interested in this product because of the license.

You do have a point. Non-coders tend to be aggressive if they don't get what they want. However, we haven't seen any of that behaviour in this thread, or at OSN in general (with the exception of the occasional troll in KDE/Gnome/Vista threads).

Now, stand down and relax. Your reaction is out of line in this context

By the time they manage to build a computer fast enough to run Eclipse, Haiku should be a mature product.

I think CodeBlocks would be much more suitable than Eclipse.

I think the CDT Project will be siutable for Eclipse & C++ development on Haiku: http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/CDT

I was about to reply to BSDFan's "Use Vi instead" post with this:

"Vi? Ahhhhhh!!!! /me runs away scared to death."

But you made me change my mind:

let's run s/Vi/XEmacs on my reply