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You obviously didn't even look at the article... good job.

Sorry to sound negative, but when a project hasn't been updated in almost 6months, it sends the message that the project is dead and unmaintained - just like pan the usenet reader.

WHAT ????

Pan is dead ?

Nooooooooooo

Hmmmm, lets see what happens next. I have a theory about open source, the theory goes like this.

The original programmer(s) get bored/dead/married and the project does not get any work done on it. However, the source code is available, so, it sits there for a week or two, or even a year, and no-one updates it.

But the project has a forum, there is a lot of people asking for updates, and a programmer comes along and thinks, "yeah, that is a good idea, and I think I might be able to do that for them.... if I just had the source code.... oh, wait !"

So he takes the source code, makes changes and releases them, hence the software rises from the dead. Ack, did he now create a zombie process ?

Anyway, my point is... wait and see if Pan comes back, it was probably the best newsgroup reader I have ever used on any platform.

Now, back on topic.

I am using Gnome at the minute, and tried Gnomebaker, it is spartan. I did like Brasero, but as usual I ended up with "aptiutude install k3b"

I know, sacrilege, but as people around here keep saying, use the best tool for the job... k3b is it, there is simple no rivals from Gnomeland. Sorry.

It's not about K3b, you say it's the best based on what?

The main advantage of K3b is it's development time, but that don't stop the KDE people trying to spoil this thread.

read my post again... I said I am a GNOME user

Why did my post get modded down so much, the person who I responded to was off topic and modded up.

Terrible people in here using there mod points to mod up the KDE fans, it's not even on topic.

Sorry to sound negative, but when a project hasn't been updated in almost 6months, it sends the message that the project is dead and unmaintained - just like pan the usenet reader.

Ah-ehm. Pan releases since October 22, 2006:

November 2, 2006: 0.118: "Gustaf Von Musterhausen"
November 10, 2006: 0.119: "Karma Hunters"
January 2, 2007: 0.120: "Plate of Shrimp"
January 22, 2007: 0.121: "Dortmunder"
February 3, 2007: 0.122: "Not Even Wrong"
February 6, 2007: 0.123: "El Nuevo Barretto"
February 12, 2007 - Pan 0.124: "Goblin Worlds"
February 21, 2007 - Pan 0.125: "Potzrebie"
March 28, 2007 - Pan 0.126: "Demon Sweat"
April 12, 2007 - Pan 0.127: "Eckythump"
April 21, 2007 - Pan 0.128: "SR/CL: Leitmotiv: Toynbee Idea"

Pan has been redesigned and now is being rewritten in C++, so, no, pan is not dead or unmaintained: http://pan.rebelbase.com/.

Does Ahead release the source for their Linux version?

Edited 2007-04-22 03:59

I don't want to sound negative, but do you know *stupid* that sounds? its a commercial application.

And you wonder why Adobe are hesitant about developing applications for Linux with views like *that* - spend millions porting to Linux and find no one buys it because they want it for free with the source code.

I actually agree with you. I probably should have encapsulated it in <sarcasm></sarcasm>. It was a stab at the purists. If I were on a Linux workstation I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Edited 2007-04-22 06:34

Why pay for something which isn't better than what you can get for free - and even get the source code for (important for those of us who can actually modify it - and irrelevant for those who can't, of course) ?

AFAIK those "purists" you talk about hardly exists. Most users are pragmatic which can be seen from most linux installations. A blend of FLOSS and proprietary software. Primarily FLOSS (but that is also true for many Windows installations) but also some proprietary software (skype, flash, even opera - though it is bloated like FF).

And you wonder why Adobe are hesitant about developing applications for Linux with views like *that* - spend millions porting to Linux and find no one buys it because they want it for free with the source code.

And why Autodesk sell expensive Maya 8.5 for Linux, for priceses from ~ 2000$ to 7000$ for Linux, when any one can use Blender or K3D for free ?

Niche products, not mainstream desktop software - different market, different issues at play.

/*Does Ahead release the source for their Linux version? */


why do want Nero? k3b it's much better and it's free.

Indeed, same here, Im glad Ahead ported Nero to Linux even before to OSX and the fact they used GTK for it is a plus.

I am very glad to see Nero ported to Linux. The beta on that page offers a nice interface that is a huge improvement over the crappy one they were using before.

That said, they have a big hill to climb after neglecting Linux for as long as they have. Had they done this in 2000-2001, they would absolutely rule as cdburning apps sucked pretty badly back then.

Nonetheless, good luck to them and I may be using it in the future for people who feel more comfortable with a known name.

Graveman looks interesting but I'll probably go with Nero 3.0 just to support a commercial company interested in Linux.

What? Why? Developers donate their time to give you Free products but you feel you must instead support a company just because it deigns to offer us lowly Linux users a product? Where's the logic in that?

If you actually prefer Nero, then fine, but supporting it just because it's a company is worse, IMO, than when us FOSS advocates support Free software just because it's Free.

If the people behind Graveman start a company, close the source and sell it to us will you support them then?

I like Nero on Windows, and I like the fact that there are commercial consumer-software vendors starting to offer products for Linux. However, I don't foresee a very rosy future for Nero in this arena.

Nero Linux just does not seem to be necessary: K3B is almost as good, and might get to be better in a couple iterations; and Gnome burning functionality keeps getting better. Plus, I see a trend I like a lot of integrating burning functionality into apps, such as Banshee or Nautilus, rather than in a dedicated burning application.

But then, Nero is starting to get pressure on the Windows side too: There are free apps such as InfraRecorder that do an excellent job for all of $0, and they don't try to take over your computer with 200 different thinly related, mediocre media apps.

There _is_ a dedicated burning application. It's called cdrecord/cdrkit. Every single on of the apps mentioned here use that. (Discounting experiments like libburn and co.)

Kinda like how you only have a single kernel no matter the distro. (Again, discounting experiments like Gentoo/FreeBSD.)

The funny thing is people really don't realize this very often.

Everything is simply a front-end to these things. Everyone always states that "k3b is the best burning software for Linux!" when it technically doesn't do any of the actual burning. It's just a GUI laid on top of the same program that all the other GUIs use to burn under Unix operating systems.

The only difference between k3b and the various GTK front-ends are the options that are visually laid out. Which is appropriate considering the difference in the desktop philosophies (Gnome trying to be more simplistic and easy to use and KDE being the "let's show every conceivable option we can think of" desktop. Both have their places, but one application looks very out of place in the other set up.)

Yes Nautilus burner gets left behind for some reason, it's a great integrated burning solution and burns ISO's in just two clicks.

I wish the nerolinux people would use the Tango icons, I bet it would be less work than converting there own icons ported from Windows.

Edited 2007-04-22 05:44

On the other hand, I could see having the exact same interface as the Windows version (including icons) being a great help to ex-Windows users making the switch. The only thing that seems to be missing judging by the screenshots (correct me if I'm wrong) is Nero Express, which is a shame because its simpler interface is more newbie-friendly.

Yes I see what you mean but we dont want messy inconsistant UI's from Windows programs.

Oops, author. The author assumes that Nautilus cannot be used to burn ISO-files. It can. It cannot rip anything, but you do that with other tools in Gnome.

True, and burning ISO files with nautilus is easier and quicker than launching a new application.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5691/cdburnervm2.gif

Nautilus doesn't even give me the option to erase the CD-RW.

Yes it does
http://librarian.launchpad.net/7332956/Screenshot-nautilus-cd-burne...

Oh, thanks for enlightenment, didn't know it! Ok, at least it does that in a not-so-discoverable way, because if I don't see the option to erase, I presume it is absent.

Busted. A gentoo user

It's weird you don't pick an app because it looks different, even though the competition sucks... I prefer KDE apps, but I use amule anyway. In KDE, of course, we have the luxury of the GTK-QT theme, so the Gnome apps look like KDE apps, but you could also choose a KDE theme which looks similair to your gnome theme. Besides, most Gnome desktops have a mix of Gnome and plain-gtk apps, some don't follow the guidelines anyway, so you won't have a perfect consistent desktop anyway...

Still KDE and Gnome are both ahead in consistency on Win and Mac ;-)