Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 28th Feb 2007 17:20 UTC, submitted by george
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu developers are finalising preparations for the release of the next version - dubbed Feisty Fawn - of the popular Linux distribution in mid-April. Overnight, Ubuntu developer Tollef Fog Heen announced Ubuntu's main software repository had been frozen - with no changes allowed to the code - as developers got ready to issue a fifth major test version ('Herd 5') of the next version of Ubuntu.
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by tweakedenigma (3.24) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 18:25 UTC
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I have been looking forward to this for a while, I have been very impressed with Edgy And am hoping it gets better from here.

Ubuntu & root
by Southern.Pride (-0.68) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 18:36 UTC
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Does Ubuntu not use a 'root' passwd I installed it after using RedHat for years (now Fedora) and it stated to use sudo instead.

Maybe I need some insight or maybe I did not read the docs or something?

RE: Ubuntu & root
by IvoLimmen (1.92) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 18:47 UTC in reply to "Ubuntu & root"
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I am not really sure what you mean. Ubuntu does have a root user but you simply do not know the password of that user. It is encouraged to use the sudo command. (You still can change the password of the root user)

RE: Ubuntu & root
by SEJeff (3.52) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 18:47 UTC in reply to "Ubuntu & root"
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Ubuntu disables the root user (for logins) for security reasons by default. If you inisist on having a root shell, use sudo -i (i for interactive shell) and type in your user password.

Take a look at this page for additional information:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo

Also, if you insist on having a root user, sudo passwd root will set the root password and unlock the account.

RE[2]: Ubuntu & root
by korpenkraxar (4.32) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 19:35 UTC in reply to "RE: Ubuntu & root"
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Or simply cheat and do "sudo xterm".

Also, if you insist on having a root user, take off your boxing gloves, climb down from the ceiling, get your head out of your butt and join the rest of humanity, sudo passwd root will set the root password and unlock the account.

RE[2]: Ubuntu & root
by unoengborg (4.16) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 19:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Ubuntu & root"
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Using sudo instead of a normal root account doesn't do much for security at least not if, you like Ubuntu, have default settings that allow:
sudo /bin/bash

However, it is still very useful in large settings where there are many people that need to perform administrative tasks on the system as they can use their own password to gain administrative righs.

It is also possible to configure what each user is allowed to do and log who does what.

RE[3]: Ubuntu & root
by ctwise (3.33) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 20:10 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Ubuntu & root"
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The point to using sudo is to guide users away from using root as their primary login - much like Windows users tend to use an Administrator-level account. OS/X and Vista take a similar approach.

The result is that more commands are run at normal privilege levels which increases the overall security of the system.

RE[3]: Ubuntu & root
by Murrell (1.88) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 21:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Ubuntu & root"
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However, it is still very useful in large settings where there are many people that need to perform administrative tasks on the system as they can use their own password to gain administrative righs.

Oh hell yes.

The ability to delegate certain privilages to certain/users based on domains/machines is very very handy. Lets me allow some users to do some things on certain machines, and provides an audit trail.

Having root is also handy for getting access to machines that have fallen off the network (where you use a network based authentication service).

v RE[2]: Ubuntu & root
by Southern.Pride (-0.68) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 23:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Ubuntu & root"
RE[3]: Ubuntu & root
by apoclypse (2.72) on Thu 1st Mar 2007 00:26 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Ubuntu & root"
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Umm, How are they forcing anybody to anything? A smart admin wouldn't use root to do anything but the most critical of system administration. Not to mention if you are already Linux savvy you would have known to how to enable it the minute you boot into th system. Using sudo to do admin tasks is a GOOD thing. It gets the user into the habit of not using root for everything and login in as root to run one command that needs root privileges. The minute I saw this in Ubuntu, coming from Red hat, I thought it odd then I started to see how practical it was. Not every user remembers they are root when they run things, restricting it to single commands, or if you are smart, interactive mode makes it much easier for any user including experienced ones. This also lets a user do administrative tasks without remembering two passwords, all they have to know is their own password. Besides this is Linux, it works the same regardless of where it comes from, if you know what you're doing then getting it to work how you like isn't going to be a big deal. They can't restrict you from doing anything the functionality is there. Its ingrained to the system.

RE[4]: Ubuntu & root
by Southern.Pride (-0.68) on Thu 1st Mar 2007 00:35 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Ubuntu & root"
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Oh ok, let me guess if someone can't remember a password then YOU have NO business working with system.
Second if you are performing administration you are logged in as root.

Lastly, why not just give blind root access like in Windows so the thing can become a big mess!

NO thanks I will stick with an Operating System that actually requires one to use their memory or brain power for remembering a password...

Edited 2007-03-01 00:38

RE[3]: Ubuntu & root
by SEJeff (3.52) on Thu 1st Mar 2007 21:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Ubuntu & root"
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You have a choice, the choice is for you to type sudo passwd root.

Obviously you don't "need" the root account, or it wouldn't be disabled by default. This is a pretty awesome security feature in my book.

RE: Ubuntu & root
by raver31 (4.56) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 21:27 UTC in reply to "Ubuntu & root"
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Open a terminal, type "sudo passwd", (without the quotes of course), then type your user accounts password.
Type a new password for root, repeat the password.

Now, open "Login Manager", go to security, and allow root login.

Simple.

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by Hiev (1.64) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 18:40 UTC
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Will this bug be fixed in time?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/67369

Stay tune.

why?
by opkool (1.75) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 18:45 UTC
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Why is this news? why "a step closer to launching a product" is news?

If it is news after all,

why we did not get 5*365 articles in OS News about "Longhorn/Vista is a step closer to release"?

why are we not getting 1 daily article on every single Linux distribution under the sun?

I'm getting tired of "just because it says 'ubuntu' it's news". It's downright annoying.

RE: why?
by CPUGuy (2.4) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 18:48 UTC in reply to "why?"
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But we did get 5*365 articles on Vista.

Also, yes, this is news. If you didn't think it was, why the hell would you click on it?

Not like it's pushing other news out of the main page that hasn't been there for over 24 hours.


Finally, just chill out.

RE: why?
by fretinator (5.28) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 18:55 UTC in reply to "why?"
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I'll settle it once and for all. It's news because it was posted at a news site. Done. I do not want to hear this complaint again. If you don't like it, move on to the next article!

RE: why?
by stestagg (2.68) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 19:20 UTC in reply to "why?"
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So this year, there have been:

10 articles about Ubuntu,
and
over 50 articles about Windows.

So what are you talking about?

RE: why?
by rayiner (3.76) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 20:41 UTC in reply to "why?"
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In the month prior to the Vista launch, there were literally dozens of articles on the impending Vista release. Meanwhile, I count only six articles about Feisty in the last month.

RE: why?
by aaronb (2.8) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 22:27 UTC in reply to "why?"
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OSNews is quite balanced.

http://www.osnews.com/cloud.php

What !?
by aaronb (2.8) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 18:59 UTC
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"Ubuntu developer Tollef Fog Heen announced Ubuntu's main software repository had been frozen"

Is that really the developers name ?

I think we have found a good name for the next release. <-;

Edited 2007-02-28 19:06

I agree
by fretinator (5.28) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 21:13 UTC
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Me: I'm running Ubuntu Tollef Fog Heen.

My Friend: [Stares and walks away]

Closer to what?
by moleskine (4.24) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 21:28 UTC
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Hmmn, probably a slow news day today.

First off, this announcement does sound a bit serious. I've seen jollier announcements detailing the launch of a North Korean missile test. Maybe a few Ubuntu devs could be shown waving alcohol containers, just to reassure viewers that this is Linux and not an international incident.

I'm also a little surprised that "Ubuntu developer Tollef Fog Heen" decided to make his announcement "Overnight" when most people are asleep and so will have missed it.

And A is called B; only knights are "dubbed". So I guess this is a question now of "Arise, Sir Feisty".

The article this announcement comes from goes on to say that some of 7.4's original aims in the 3D arena at least have had to be scaled back. I guess this is a problem for any distro: only so much can be done in six months and there are only so many folks who can do it.

So long as 7.4 continues to make the solid incremental progress of all the other Ubuntu releases, folks should be well pleased.

I'd also be interested to see some analysis of the new Zenwalk release as this offers the new XFCE 4.4 in action.

Read his lips
by h3rman (3.44) on Wed 28th Feb 2007 21:58 UTC
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"I and others do believe that 3D is an essential part of the modern desktop experience," wrote Shuttleworth earlier this month. "It is difficult to buy a PC or laptop that does not include such hardware, and in terms of transistor count it's almost as much as your CPU these days."

That's an argument. However, the mere fact that certain hardware is out there is not an argument in itself to start loading blobs. There was this thing called winmodems, the only way to fight it was to avoid it.

"However, when we reviewed the status of the free software applications that depend on that hardware functionality we found that they were not ready for inclusion by default in Feisty. Neither Compiz nor Beryl have the requisite stability and compatibility to be a default option in Feisty."

Stability and compatibility.. all right. But how stable are binary blobs, and how compatible are they with free software?
Just a few questions..

I don't have the illusion that anyone could stop Ubuntu from taking this road, but those that have made efforts to open up hardware specs will not feel terribly encouraged by all this.

Back on topic
by blitze (2.76) on Thu 1st Mar 2007 01:32 UTC
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Been testing Feisty 64 for the last couple of months and it is shaping up to be a very solid distribution.

There have been some issues though the development but the Devs have been doing a great job to iron out the bugs. All in all, Feisty is a marked step above Edgy.

Kudos to the Ubuntu Devs.

To come a little more on topic...
by Kokopelli (3.16) on Thu 1st Mar 2007 04:38 UTC
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I am typing this from one of my personal boxes running Feisty Fawn. So far it has proven stable to me as well.

Everything works, though I need to do something about the fonts on this particular box, blech. Will have to figure out what I have wrong since it is the only Ubuntu box I have problems with the fonts on.

I hope the release a server iso this time though. For some reason herd 4 did not have one. I prefer to use the server iso then build my desktop from there since I do not like some of the package choices in the desktop iso (network manager...)

Stuck with dapper
by jarek (1) on Thu 1st Mar 2007 05:02 UTC
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Me, I'm stuck with dapper for the simple reason that all upgrades simply fail. I guess that's what the LTS stands for.

Impressions of a new user
by c816 (1.3) on Thu 1st Mar 2007 11:33 UTC
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I installed Edgy (6.10) on my system recently. Here's how it went, as a new user. I have a lot to say so I'll do multiple posts ;) . I'll start with my experience getting it installed and my display set up...

Installation:
-Popped the liveCD in, booted, everything working fine ff live CD. I run through graphical installer intalling Edgy in a primary partitions. Installation does not give any errors.

-I reboot (rather excited having got it installed)... and get: "Grub" : "read error". Strange, there is definitely nothing wrong with my disk.

-I then decide to install Edgy in a primary partition on my other disk. Installation goes fine, no errors. I reboot and get: "Grub" , the system hangs with the word "Grub" on the screen.

-After numerous reinstalls, I finally figure out that the Grub boot menu will only appear if I install in an extended partition.

Display setup:
-I now have the basic system "working". Everything is really slow. Graphics settings are "Generic graphics card" and "Vesa" etc. I download linux drivers from Nvidia, but the install fails because it "can't find" libc. I decide to run an xorg config utility, which generates a new xorg.conf file. This file has my graphics card listed correctly. It can't detect my mouse and has my monitor mode settings all wrong. I ended up manually merging the graphics card settings from the new xorg.conf file into the old xorg.conf. A half dozen reboots and tweaks later I have the display hardware accelerated, at the correct resolution, but the display is shifted to the right so that part of the screen is not visible.

-I eventually find a xvidTune (or some name like that) utility to run which lets me shift the display to the left. It gives me a cryptic string which I insert into xorg.conf, and after several failures to start X, I figure out that I need to use the ModeLine keyword, and this string of numbers for various vsync, hsync, refresh rates, and clock settings. I reboot and my system is working smoothly as it is now hardware accelerated with "nv" drivers.

It took me two days, but I finally got it setup.

RE: Impressions of a new user
by Kokopelli (3.16) on Thu 1st Mar 2007 12:12 UTC in reply to "Impressions of a new user"
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Wow, you certainly are having an unusually rough time of it. Sorry to hear that. Was the display correct from the live cd? From the sound of it something is failing during install.

On the grub issue your diagnosis is incorrect. An extended partition is not a requirement so something. Next time try hitting the Ubuntu Forums and see if they can help.

RE[2]: Impressions of a new user
by c816 (1.3) on Thu 1st Mar 2007 12:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Impressions of a new user"
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Wow, you certainly are having an unusually rough time of it. Sorry to hear that. Was the display correct from the live cd? From the sound of it something is failing during install.

The display looked fine off the live CD, and after initial install. Only problem was it was very slow, defaulting to Generic VESA display adapter or some similar name. Hardware acceleration appeared to be nonexistant until I did everything manually. BTW using GeForce 6100 onboard.

Edgy is still better than the Ubuntu 5.04 install I tried a while back, hoary couldn't even get X started to do the install.

Impressions of a new user - Part 2
by c816 (1.3) on Thu 1st Mar 2007 13:12 UTC
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Once I got Edgy up and running I had trouble getting additional software installed...

-The add/removed programs option wasn't very useful for me. My Ubuntu system isn't connected to the Internet, which means that connecting to an online repository isn't an option.

-I have to download any additional software using Windows on another system, and copy the files across.

-I happily download various applications to play MP3s, do desktop search etc. These typically come as .tar.gz files. I unzip the files and run ./configure. For every one of these types of applications I get an error:
"/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory"

-Well maybe I should find a .deb file for each of the apps I need. I decide to look for beagle as this appears to be the only desktop search option for Gnome. I go over to :
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/beagle
And guess what - I have to get dozens of other packages for this package to work. see the "depends" links on the page above. From previous experience many of these packages also require packages, and the dependencies span out like a giant tree. How can I track down and individually download each of these packages. It seems totally impractical. There must be an easier way to do this.

-It seems like the only additional software which I could get installed easily was Sun's Java and related applications (manually downloaded using a Windows PC).

-Any advice about getting software (desktop search, mp3, avi and mpeg codecs etc.) installed would be appreciated!

PS When I select Nvidia binary drivers in add/remove programs I get a message that this software is not compatible with my system (Linux i386) - I can't remember the exact message, but it was vague.