Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 26th Aug 2006 22:35 UTC
Games "Can you imagine controlling your computer with a peripheral that resembles a fluffy bar of soap? Well hear us out, because the Soap pointing device from Microsoft Research offers to combine the accuracy of a traditional optical mouse with the freedom of a wireless, even desk-free peripheral." There are even instructions in the video to make one yourself.
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Looking increasingly...
by twenex (2.56) on Sat 26th Aug 2006 22:42 UTC
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...like this lot should make its new slogan:

"Microsoft - for all the products you'll never need."

Fluffy mice :)
by poohgee (2.48) on Sat 26th Aug 2006 23:01 UTC
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I like the idea - its cute - I like the DIY info from Microsoft .

Im waiting for this - it seems cool to me - its about time these mice got killed off .

Using a pen on a tablet is so much nicer & comfortable .

Replacing moving lumps of plastic with clickable bits with a fluffy bar of soap seems good to me .

A piece of hardware that makes use of our motor abilities ;)

Greetings to the MS bashers that will come along ;)

Interesting, but...
by Clinton (2.6) on Sat 26th Aug 2006 23:31 UTC
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...I'm suffering from shoulder and elbow injuries with regular mice, this one looks like your hands have to work in an overly detailed way, making them susceptible to similar injuries in all the joints of your hands.

RE: Interesting, but...
by broken_symlink (2.72) on Sat 26th Aug 2006 23:58 UTC in reply to "Interesting, but..."
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i wonder how many lawsuits microsoft will face then ;-p

Edited 2006-08-26 23:58

RE: Interesting, but...
by Schmeggma (1.96) on Mon 28th Aug 2006 10:17 UTC in reply to "Interesting, but..."
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I dunno, the movement is reminiscent of Baoding balls (chinese health balls) which are actually quite theraputic for RSI type injuries. I bet it at least feels nice to rotate it.

Perhaps these soap things will make us all feel healthier and live longer!

RE[2]: Interesting, but...
by deanlinkous (2.68) on Mon 28th Aug 2006 21:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Interesting, but..."
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Do you use them constantly for six or more hours a day?

Uhm...
by Alleister (3) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 00:11 UTC
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From the UT Video, it realy doesn't look very precisely to me. Could be a nice control for mobile devices anyway.

the dumbest i've ever seen.
by ple_mono (2.52) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 00:40 UTC
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omg! That thing should be outlawed! Is that all people can come up with? ;)
Forget about neural interfaces, and eye movement scanners, the fluffy lump is here to stay.

That's awesome
by halfmanhalfamazing (3.44) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 01:02 UTC
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I'll have to try this sometime.

Why is it that the only thing that MS can seem to get right is it's human interface devices?

Now if only they'd make a ergonomic/split keyboard that was bluetooth....................

Edited 2006-08-27 01:02

RE: That's awesome
by broken_symlink (2.72) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 01:45 UTC in reply to "That's awesome"
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i'd like that too. then all it would need is a nice way to switch the keys to dvorak. maybe stickers or something? mo always uses fancy colored keys on their wireless keyboards so i think writing on them with marker would look ugly but it worked well on my wired split keyboard.

RE: That's awesome
by Tyr. (2.64) on Mon 28th Aug 2006 06:43 UTC in reply to "That's awesome"
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Now if only they'd make a ergonomic/split keyboard that was bluetooth....................

I'd like a bluetooth KVM, or a keyboard/mouse able to pair with more than one computer.

This'll Catch On ...
by astroraptor (1.32) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 02:42 UTC
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... like the wearable computer! ;)

meh
by axel (1.52) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 03:52 UTC
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i've been doing this with a cordless mouse and my thumb for years.

RE: meh
by Tuishimi (2.72) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 04:55 UTC in reply to "meh"
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How do you click the buttons?

Useless...
by markob (3.08) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 09:44 UTC
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Didn't anyone notice it only goes left-right while moving up-down is somehow difficult? Clicking on more than one button is a mistery also and let's not even think about scrolling wheel. Bottom line, while this is only a concept, it's completely useless and leads nowhere. Nice to see Microsoft is spending money on "inovations".

Edited 2006-08-27 09:45

RE: Useless...
by Hawley (3) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 11:11 UTC in reply to "Useless..."
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oddly enough, final working products don't just miraculously appear in a puff of smoke on some engineers desk. they go through various design phases, from an almost useless concept to something really neat.

if this device is as comfortable and neat as it seems to be, its prototype phase will lead somewhere. and yes, it is nice to see Microsoft invest money on something clever and innovative

RE: Useless...
by Alleister (3) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 12:56 UTC in reply to "Useless..."
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maybe you should have watched the *whole* clip, since that is their gaming version... later in the clip they show their desktop version which is rather circular and allows for easy up and down movements.

Well
by deanlinkous (2.68) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 12:59 UTC
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My hand cramps just watching it in use. If it works the way it appears to then I do not see it as a improvement for any reason than you happen to not have a desk. ???

Maybe a interesting gadget for a pda/handheld or similar device for people who want one. I just don't see it replacing my mouse anytime soon.

Great device
by Ford Prefect (3.44) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 16:21 UTC
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I think this is a really interesting device. Even if it doesn't fit for UT, it could be very comfortable for other tasks.

seriously
by deanlinkous (2.68) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 17:40 UTC
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How can constantly moving your hands be MORE comfortable than holding a controller in the up position or holding down the up-arrow key?

People have joint problems now from resting their hand on a mouse and moving it around. How would this be better or at least not worse?

I would like to see a hand-pad mouse. You simply rest your hand on a pressure sensitive pad.

The "problem" is...
by h3rman (3.44) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 17:52 UTC
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The "problem" is, Microsoft doesn't really produce any special hardware. Okay, there's the XBox, something rather embedded that runs games (and Linux ;) ), and there's the Microsoft mouse that isn't seeming to be able to beat its Logitech competition any time soon.

So people might think (keeping in mind the not so impressive state of MS's software development), what good could come out of Microsoft, as for hardware?

But then, why wouldn't certain research teams in Redmond be able to come up with something real good and innovative, like the fluffy sponge mouse?

Unfortunately, as unlike Apple Microsoft doesn't design laptops, for example, more interesting tools such as an improved touch pad (Apple's notebooks let you scroll horizontically and vertically with two fingers on the touch pad, for example), or similar improvements of the mouse that we already know, are not being made.

And there's more.
Real progress in ergonomy would be to teach people that use your software about the great powers of that ancient thing called the keyboard shortcut.
Alas, few interfaces today take an effort in telling people ("tip of the day", perhaps?) a few nice shortcuts that they will love to use every day. The interface may be mouse-based, but nothing beats the hundreds of possible shortcuts.

Take Firefox that I'm now using on a Mac.
Apple T: open a tab,
Ctrl (Shift) Tab: switch between tabs,
Apple W: close a tab,
Apple +: magnify text, etc.
I'd really rather not use any mouse, or sponge, for that.
I could add to that, that many OSes and programs, a lot
of them being open source, make extensive use of the Alt key in combination with a given letter, to enter menus or options that have this letter underlined in their name. This is a great way of never having to remember a single shortcut.

So I guess it's all about a simple choice. Offer your interface users to teach them a little about Simple Stress Saving Shortcuts, or come up with a peculiar, fluffy device that nobody knew they needed until you tell them so.
I wonder which option is "innovative" to Microsoft.

RE: The "problem" is...
by Ronald Vos (1.64) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 23:30 UTC in reply to "The "problem" is..."
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and there's the Microsoft mouse that isn't seeming to be able to beat its Logitech competition any time soon.

You sir, are blathering. Microsoft has the longest experience producing consumer-level mice, and the largest marketshare. Mice are the one thing they can do decent enough. (I hate to admit my last Microsoft mouse, which died, was more ergonomic than my current Logitech mouse)

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+unveils+new+keyboards,+mice/2100-1040...

You seem to be agitating against a curious but interesting new gizmo, purely because it's produced by Microsoft.

RE[2]: The "problem" is...
by h3rman (3.44) on Mon 28th Aug 2006 06:28 UTC in reply to "RE: The "problem" is..."
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"Microsoft has the longest experience producing consumer-level mice, and the largest marketshare."

Sorry, I guess I underestimated their marketshare a little, because I see Logitech mice/keyboards all over the place where I come from, and hardly any MS. Note your link is of 2002, any more recent market share figures?

"Mice are the one thing they can do decent enough. (I hate to admit my last Microsoft mouse, which died, was more ergonomic than my current Logitech mouse)"

So the mouse died on you? I hope that was after a reasonable life time span. I've never seen a Logitech mouse dying on me. About ergonomy, there are lots of different models out there.

RE[3]: The "problem" is...
by deanlinkous (2.68) on Mon 28th Aug 2006 07:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The "problem" is..."
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I always figured that logitech made the MS mice...

I would think Logitech making the mice for Dell would be a good chunk of market share. I guess that counts as Logitech and not Dell?

RE[4]: The "problem" is...
by Alleister (3) on Mon 28th Aug 2006 13:07 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: The "problem" is..."
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Does the iBook counts as an ASUS instad of an Apple-notebook then? ;)

RE[3]: The "problem" is...
by Alleister (3) on Mon 28th Aug 2006 13:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The "problem" is..."
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My Logitech died after far less than a year. Not much of a Problem though, the replacement i got seems to be fine.

I don't know what the marketshare of Microsoft mices are, but they seem to be of very high quality. They also do very nice Joysticks and Joypads. I liked their Keyboards to, but the newer ergonomic shaped don't quite suit my taste anymore.

RE[3]: The "problem" is...
by Ronald Vos (1.64) on Tue 29th Aug 2006 00:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: The "problem" is..."
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Note your link is of 2002, any more recent market share figures?

Oops, I really thought it was recent. Can't find a better one.

So the mouse died on you? I hope that was after a reasonable life time span.

Yes, 5 years or something. It still works actually, but the wheels don't go smoothly anymore since I cleaned them with my nails a bit too often, leading to excessive strain while using. Sturdy things though.

That could work.
by Omega Penguin (1.92) on Sun 27th Aug 2006 18:12 UTC
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I cannot see that being used afor games and on the desktop. However, it would be useful for media center PCs. It's hell trying to navigate MythTV with a remote control.

eXisTenZ
by Tyr. (2.64) on Mon 28th Aug 2006 06:37 UTC
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Make it in fleshtone and stick a nipple on it and it'll look like something out of a David Cronenberg movie.