Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Aug 2006 17:22 UTC, submitted by Mike Ainsel
IBM MacSlash has an original editorial regarding different PowerPC projects that never made it to shipping. It mentions things like the obscure PowerPC 615 that could run x86 instructions, or the PowerPC 750VX, which would have been IBM's answer to the Motorola G4. This article reads like a requiem, but lest we forget: here, here, here, and of course, here. I'm starting to believe IBM won't miss Apple all that much.
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by helf (3.2) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 17:50 UTC
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thats some pretty cool stuff. the 615 sounds really neat.

Yeah
by sp29 (1.44) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 17:53 UTC
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Yeah and I don't believe Apple will miss IBM's chip shortages(google it) and heat related hurdles(problems). I'm glad to see Apple move on with Intel and others(AMD)possibly in the future.

RE: Yeah
by macisaac (3.56) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 18:06 UTC in reply to "Yeah"
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yeah, so they now can deal with intel's heat problems and chip shortages instead...

RE[2]: Yeah
by sp29 (1.44) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 18:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Yeah"
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Yeah Apple did by taking out that radiator and replacing it with Dual-Core Intel Xeons in the Mac Pros....lol

RE[2]: Yeah
by kaiwai (0.92) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 19:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Yeah"
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What heat problems? Core 2 is the most technologically advanced, energy efficient chip, coolest operating chip (in regards to clock speed) on the consumer market; quite frankly, if you look at the features of the chip, it gives me the willy's how complex it is!

Even if IBM did for example, go with the 750VX, the problems still would have remained in regards to performance issues; it wasn't just battery or performance, but a whole string of issues that when put together equated to a big problem for Apple in the long and short run.

IBM and Motorolla couldn't keep up with Apples demands - IBM wanted nice long cycles between pushing the clock speed up; Apple needed short bursts and rapid updates as to keep up to date with the latest Intel and AMD offerings; ultimately IBM had to ask themselves, are they in the consumer market for CPU's or would they be better off working with consumer companies where by they can design a processor, stick to a speed, and pump it consistantly out of the factory with the same specifications for the next 3 years.

Ultimately, it was more cost effective to go and design custom chips that need updating every three years rather than trying to update their processors every 3 months, resulting up higher and higher costs for the company.

RE[3]: Yeah
by TomB7 (1.08) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 20:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah"
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"IBM and Motorolla couldn't keep up with Apples demands - IBM wanted nice long cycles between pushing the clock speed up; Apple needed short bursts and rapid updates as to keep up to date with the latest Intel and AMD offerings"

Exactly right. IBM is hosed; low margin toys lik ethe XBox won't fill the hole left by AAPL's departure.

RE[4]: Yeah
by BluenoseJake (2.68) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 22:13 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Yeah"
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Low margin toys? Seeing as IBM has all 3 major game console manufactures using IBM chips, I'd have to say whatever the margin, the sheer amount of sales will be amazing. The big picture is what IBM is looking at, and apple is a very small part of that picture

Re: Yeah...
by Ralf. (1.68) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 17:55 UTC
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*lol* you said what I thought: Apple will not miss IBM very much.

Everybody wins
by helio9000 (1.96) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 19:23 UTC
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Within a few years IBM is probably going to have sold more processors via the PS3 and X360 than there are macs of any stripe in existence. It didn't make sense for either of them anymore.

v RE: Everybody wins
by TomB7 (1.08) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 20:52 UTC in reply to "Everybody wins"
Successor of PPC970?
by kloty (2) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 20:25 UTC
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In the article PPC980 was called a rumor, but I think it's more. IBM uses PPC 970 in its blades and in one quite cheap workstation. So either they will disconinue these products in the feature, or they will need a successor chip. Maybe they put a Cell as CPU for blades, but I'm not sure that Cell is capable enough for general purpose computing without adapted software. So probably there is still a need for a general purpose CPU for a cheap development workstation and for the blades. So PPC 980 (or how it will be called) is more than pure speculation.

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Anton

guessing
by sp29 (1.44) on Thu 24th Aug 2006 22:04 UTC
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PPC could of had more potential than it enjoyed. Set backs by moto and ibm, maybe apple too-affected it's desktop using in the overall market. I've used the G3, G4 and loved the processor.

RE[4]: Yeah
by Wes Felter (2.8) on Fri 25th Aug 2006 02:16 UTC
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What was IBM's margin on the 970?

RE[5]: Yeah
by kaiwai (0.92) on Fri 25th Aug 2006 04:50 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Yeah"
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What was IBM's margin on the 970?

Correction, what was IBM"s margin on the 970? how much did the R&D cost? have they made their money back?

RE[10]: Yeah
by Nicholas Blachford (2.08) on Sat 26th Aug 2006 12:38 UTC
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Have a look at the POWER 6 design for instance; I'd hardly call that a conservative, 'doing as much work per clock cycle", low power usage and heat disappation design - its the P4 ideology taken to the extreme

POWER6 uses a simpler design in order to increase clock speed, they've also changed how they design the circuits and this has made the chip a lot more efficient. They're doubling clock speed but keeping the pipeline the same length.

Going for maximum work per cycle works but has it's limitations and can slow some operations down. Going for a higher clocked but simpler design doesn't necessarily mean higher power usage, e.g. the cores in the XBox 360 use less than 30W each but have high FLOP ratings.