Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Apr 2006 18:50 UTC, submitted by abdavidson
Opera Software "Opera Software today announced the first public beta of Opera 9. This version includes Widgets, small web programs running in their own windows that are fun, easy-to-use and live on users' desktops. The Opera 9 beta also features support for BitTorrent, a popular file downloading technology, in addition to an easy-to-use content blocker and thumbnail previews of tabbed sites. And yes, Opera remains available free of charge."
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Huge leap beyond 8.x
by eMagius (2.92) on Thu 20th Apr 2006 19:02 UTC
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Opera 9 is radically improved over its predecessor (and other browsers). Unfortunately, some websites still go out of their way to block Opera. ;)

RE: Huge leap beyond 8.x
by happycamper (1.76) on Thu 20th Apr 2006 20:34 UTC in reply to "Huge leap beyond 8.x"
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do you know if opera 9 plugins will work in freebsd 6.x ?

RE: Huge leap beyond 8.x
by kfet (1.93) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 13:28 UTC in reply to "Huge leap beyond 8.x"
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> Opera 9 is radically improved over its predecessor (and other browsers). Unfortunately, some websites still go out of their way to block Opera. ;)

Opera 9 can "mask" (per site) as a different browser (Mozilla/IE). It's not the same as actual Opera support, but still helps alot.

Try it out: Right click on the page -> Edit site preferences -> Network tab -> Browser identification.

E.g. that's how google talk in gmail can be enabled.

This was possible with Opera 8, but not per site, and involved some ini files tweaking.

Start up speed
by abdavidson (3.44) on Thu 20th Apr 2006 19:08 UTC
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I copied my 8.54 profile with 10k emails, 10 newsfeeds with 15k items in there to a new folder, installed 9b1 as a new install then copied my copied 8.54 profile into the new 9b1 one.

On first startup it said it was upgrading the profile to the new format and then I closed it again.

With Opera 8.54 and 9.0b1 both using the same 14 tabs on open, same email, same feeds, 9.0b1 opened up noticeably remarkably more quickly than 8.54, and it was already fast!

I'm impressed so far. Will be interesting to see how it progresses from here via the weeklies to the 9 release or next beta.

RE: Start up speed
by emag (1.5) on Thu 20th Apr 2006 22:19 UTC in reply to "Start up speed"
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I've noticed how much data you have in the cache can seriously affect the startup times of Opera 8.5x. I've taken to clearing it out periodically, especially since my browsing habits tend to leave 5-15 windows with anywhere from 100-500 tabs open at once. Actually it USED to be the high end, but I've been making great strides to the low end, as I funally find the time to get to all those windows/tabs that I keep saying "I'll get to later..."

Widgets?
by Ronald Vos (1.64) on Thu 20th Apr 2006 19:17 UTC
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Are these the kind of dockbar widgets you see in OS X/KDE, like weather reports and simple tools?

In that case I have to say they take an interesting approach. Small tools like that are alreayd available, but don't gain much traction because you need to install a seperate program, it has to keep running (eats resources) and lack of mindshare. But if it comes integrated with your browser..

Same with bittorrent. I'm curious how/if they manage to keep the bloat down like this.

Opera has one annoying problem IMHO
by Jack Malmostoso (2.32) on Thu 20th Apr 2006 19:18 UTC
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I've been using Opera since 5.x so I know what I'm talking about, and I've been testing out the 9.x releases since the first one, but still it has this very annoying behaviour that I would define as "lack of aggressiveness": when loading a webpage Opera does not try hard enough to convince the remote server to give the data, and sometimes I get pages that are not 100% loaded after minutes and minutes of waiting. Firefox is much more aggressive, and at least closes the connection.

And yes, I have filed my complaints @ opera ;)

RE: Opera has one annoying problem IMHO
by jjmckay (2.72) on Thu 20th Apr 2006 19:40 UTC in reply to "Opera has one annoying problem IMHO"
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That may not be Opera's fault. The symptom you describe could be packet loss on your Internet connection. Try pinging your ISP's gateway or your DNS servers to see if there is any packet loss above 1% or so. Even 1% is high.. You can use 'tracert' in windows or 'traceroute' in unix.

J. M. Member since:
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My network connection is not excellent and there is some packet loss, but then I don't understand why all other browsers can deal with it.

RE[2]: Opera has one annoying problem IMHO
by J. M. (2.4) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 06:55 UTC in reply to "Opera has one annoying problem IMHO"
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Sounds like the same problem I have with Opera. Some pages just don't load completely in Opera or they even don't show up at all, the page loading freezes at the beginning, the progress bar is stuck at something like "loading images (7/8" and all I get is blank page. This happens so often - and only in Opera, all other browsers can load the pages just fine... Another strange thing is that often restarting Opera helps in this - it just seems that loading webpages somehow "dies" in Opera after using it for a long time without restarting it.

Tom Janowitz Member since:
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Same thing here - with no packet loss whatsoever... This is IMO the most annoing problem in Opera. Still .. the best browser there is.

CrimsonScythe Member since:
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I've been using the weekly builds of Opera 9, and they just get better and better for each succeeding version. They fixed one of the bugs that I found the most annoying, namely the missing Emacs key bindings that are used for navigation in OS X: ctrl+a = beginning of line, ctrl+e = end of line, etc. (Also found in terminals, and in most Cocoa applications.)

For those who want to test out the latest and greatest of the Opera browsers, can find the weekly, and sometimes semiweekly, builds here:
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam

sappyvcv Member since:
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Only that being free (as in beer) now, I have discovered in some cleaning malware programs that Opera connect to several internet sites without your knowledge... ;)

No it doesn't. The only thing it connects to is whatever sites you visit and it's own site to check for upgrades once in a while.

If you believe otherwise, provide proof.

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Woah, what does this have to do with open-source? Nothing! Stop with the crap.

I've used many malware cleaners and NEVER had one report ANYTHING to do with opera. I've never seen ANYONE report something similar to what you are.

Either provide some sort of proof of your claim or stop making them. It's as simple as that.

If you don't like it, tough, but don't try to try and attack me personally.

Yogurth Member since:
2005-07-20
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I have no evidence so far for claim that Opera 9 connects to anything else than Opera update. I'm running opera 9 with Outpost 3.5.

I could be wrong but it's very doubtful since I check my logs very carefully.

On beta note Opera 9 is just wonderful for me...I'm not using mail or RSS, so I can't judge if there are any problems and if there are I believe they are know and in processs of fixing.

kadymae Member since:
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If you don't like it, tough, but don't try to try and attack me personally.

Thank you.

Edited 2006-04-21 15:28

BitTorrent problem
by ronaldst (1.48) on Thu 20th Apr 2006 21:21 UTC
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---> No uPnP support <---

RE: BitTorrent problem
by ronaldst (1.48) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 08:15 UTC in reply to "BitTorrent problem"
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I just tested and yes. The user must go and login to their routers to set up a new port for Torrent use... ;)

Content blocking and per site preferences
by Dave_K (3.2) on Thu 20th Apr 2006 21:33 UTC
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This is the first time I've played with those new features in Opera and I'm very impressed with how easy to use and powerful they are. Even in Beta this is a brilliant browser, I think Opera 9 will prove to be the best browser around when it's released.

At least one annoying problem
by emag (1.5) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 00:54 UTC
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So I installed the beta and tried it. I found one *really* annoying problem. For some reason, Opera decided to randomly maximized shaded windows on me. Repeatedly. Even when every tab in said windows were marked as having been seen. Oh, and Google Maps still doesn't seem to work properly.

Oh well... Just reinstalled the 8.54 .deb, restored my backup of ~/.opera/ and I was good to go again.

Why?
by hraq (2.2) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 00:55 UTC
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When I tried to start the application it retured segmentation problem error message, but when I run "sh opera&" it will work; does anyone know why?
OS:RHEL 4.3AS

RE: Why?
by kaiwai (2.36) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 04:33 UTC in reply to "Why?"
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When I tried to start the application it retured segmentation problem error message, but when I run "sh opera&" it will work; does anyone know why?
OS:RHEL 4.3AS


Did you extract it, and just run it from the directory? if so, run the installation script as provided.

RE[2]: Why?
by hraq (2.2) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 04:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Why?"
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What do you mean by "run the installation script as provided." The package was rpm and installing rpm was with "rpm -ivh package_name.rpm" or simply double click it and let installer finish the installation; either way it returned the error.

RE[3]: Why?
by kaiwai (2.36) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 07:44 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Why?"
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Ah, ok, I'm thinking from FreeBSD experience, which is a tar ball, gzipped, and you simply run the install.sh script.

As for your rpm woes; tried checking the permissions of it?

RE[4]: Why?
by hraq (2.2) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 14:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Why?"
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Permissions are checked to allow execution for user, group and others.
part of error message:
"opera: spellcheck.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x1a0c, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00020
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x1a0f, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00020
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x1a10, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00020
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x1a11, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0001f
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x9629, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0002d
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x962b, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0002d
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x962c, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0002d
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x962d, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0002c
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29ef1, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00030
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29ef4, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00030
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29ef5, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00030
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29ef6, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c0002f
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29ef7, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00027
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29efa, request=0x2, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00027
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29efb, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00027
operapluginwrapper: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
operapluginwrapper: X Error: serial=0x29efc, request=0x4, request_minor=0x0, resource=0x3c00026"

v So
by Varg Vikernes (1.32) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 02:46 UTC
RE: So
by Johann Chua (2.6) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 04:35 UTC in reply to "So"
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Opera had tabs first.

RE: So
by abdavidson (3.44) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 05:12 UTC in reply to "So"
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Opera has had tabs since before Phoenix was a glimmer in someone's eye.

It has allowed those who find the flexibility and power of the MDI/Tab combination a bit intimidating to have a tabbed only interface for 18 months or so now?

It's a shame things have to be dumbed down for Firefox users to feel comfortable but thankfully it is only optional.

v RE[2]: So
by Varg Vikernes (1.32) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 23:17 UTC in reply to "RE: So"
RE[3]: So
by sappyvcv (1.84) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 23:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: So"
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There is an option under advanced > tabs to tell it which tab to go to.

It still uses MDI, but you won't even notice unless you explicitily "restore" a window. You can even remove the references to that in the tab popup if it makes you feel better.

For all intents and purposes, tabs in Opera and Firefox behave the same way, minus a few small things. I'm not sure why the MDI that you can't even see bothers you so much.

RE[3]: So
by abdavidson (3.44) on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 01:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: So"
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It appears I'm a retard? Funny.

I answered the question as you put it; are tabs working as in Firefox or MDI. The answer was both.

You're now asking a different one about the tab ordering and the answer is again, both. Opera unlike Firefox allows you the choice.

Which is ironic really.

pages not loading +yanking cursor +grabbing focus
by Dreadstar (0.76) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 07:38 UTC
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I am so glad to see I am not the only one - for a few months now checking lycos mail has been hell, it just won't load on the first try, or many tries, and yes there are many pages I gave up on without realizing they work in other browsers. Must I keep two different browsers open at all times now? Also about the same time I started having an infuriating problem logging in anywhere at all - I'm on a dialup and I'm used to typing in my name and password while the banner crap is loading, but now something "grabs" the cursor and puts it in some field I allready filled, so when I hit 'enter' nothing is in the right place - password visible where username is supposed to be etc. Wow it's annoying. I think it's related to my third gripe, you have multiple windows, you're filling out a form or trying to read, and some other tab grabs the screen. Absolutely drives me bananas. Can't Opera tech's disable the code that let's "helpful" web pages grab your cursor and place it where they think it goes, and disable the code that lets background pages keep grabbing the focus? I've literally had to close belligerent pages without reading them because every four seconds they steal focus from a window i'm busy in, and then i have to click all the tabs looking for the page i was on, and then the other page grabs focus four seconds later again. Amazon is the biggest offender. Also I can't see certain types of Flash pages, and no matter how many times I install Flash nothing changes. And I strongly urge Opera not to program as though everyone has a cable modem. I don't care about RSS and BitTorrent, I just want to log into my email and load normal web pages without being messed with constantly.

Layer opacity - yay!
by PowerMacX (3.8) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 10:18 UTC
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Opera 9 finally adds support for layer opacity control, which is also available in a standard form in Firefox & Safari (I think also in IE 7, but I haven't tested it yet). IE 6 has that too, but uses non-standard CSS, as well as a different DOM access method in Javascript.

Bug fixes
by A.H. (2.92) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 16:02 UTC
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I reported a javascript bug for Opera 8.5.2

I am happy to see that it still not being fixed in 8.5.4 or 9 beta.

Acid2 Test
by ckknight (1.52) on Fri 21st Apr 2006 18:10 UTC
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I downloaded Opera 9 Beta, and it appears to fully pass the Acid2 test.

RE: Acid2 Test
by villiansv (1) on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 17:07 UTC in reply to "Acid2 Test"
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Yes, since one of the weeklies leading up to this release, it does pass the acid2, becoming the first windows browser to do so, and the 2nd/3rd browser overall (depending on whether you accept konqueror as having passed the acid2, I seem to remember there was a twist there). Useful? No. Bragging rights? If it makes you happy :-)