"Many customers have asked us about having a better way to enter IE bugs. It is asked 'Why don't you have Bugzilla like Firefox or other groups do?' We haven't always had a good answer except it is something that the IE team has never done before. After much discussion on the team, we've decided that people are right and that we should have a public way for people to give us feedback or make product suggestions. We wanted to build a system that is searchable and can benefit from the active community that IE has here. As of today, our new Internet Explorer Feedback site is live."
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To make this work and improve IE make sure you leave good quality comments. Saying "IE is teh suxx0r" isn't going to get bugs fixed. Saying "While browsing osnews.com the fonts didn't display right using standard font= tags" would be a lot more descriptive. I fear that there will be a backlash from Microsoft haters filling up the bug reports with false info. They made that site for us, now everyone who didn't like certain aspects of IE tell them what they didn't like so they can improve those areas.
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I think the IE team is heading in the right direction. First the meeting with developers from Firefox, Konqueror, was Opera there too? Now opening up for public feedback, makes me feel like IE is starting to become a mature browser. After years of using Mozilla/Firefox and Konqueror, avoiding using IE where possible, I'm feeling more confident about being able to feel safe browsing the web in the future with it. But that will also depend on the upper management of course, as long as they'll let the team keep running things in a more open manner it should be fine and might make for a great example to other divisions/teams.
One thing is funny though, while browsing the faq; "This goes over some of the best practices for putting a bug into the system", might reword that bit of fodder for the MS bashers. *lol*
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sappy, you are so bright, that you must be working for Ms...
- Where in My post did I say that Firefox was out in 2000 ???
- Opera and Mozilla are not as widely used as they deserve, probalbly, but they have a "significant Niche in some areas".
- Try ro read my post again. And try to guess the overall meaning and pupose of the post.. is not so difficult. Sometimes the meanings are literal, sometimes not.. got it???
- Wow, Some people learn something new every day! Some people obviously do not!
- and filnally: IE took the market while being worst than Netscape, and by unfair monopolistic competition, and threats to associates and retailers. This is a fact. It Has been proved and aknowleded by Justice Courts in the USA and in other coutries!
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sappy , you are so bright, that you must be working for Ms...
Grow up.
- Where in My post did I say that Firefox was out in 2000 ???
". .HMMM wasn't it the unreliable Internet navigator that took off the market "Netscape", with unfair monoplictic measures, and in the mid 2000 was replaced in most PCs by Firefox, Seamonkey, Opera... ???"
- and filnally: IE took the market while being worst than Netscape, and by unfair monopolistic competition, and threats to associates and retailers. This is a fact. It Has been proved and aknowleded by Justice Courts in the USA and in other coutries!
Um, no. First of all, it is well accepted in the community that Netscape 4 SUCKED and IE4 and 5 is when it started to get good and blew Netscape away. Netscape killed itself.
Second, the ruling related to bundling IE unfairly was ruled VOID by an appealates court, thus your argument about that is well.. pointless.
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"Um, no. First of all, it is well accepted in the community that Netscape 4 SUCKED and IE4 and 5 is when it started to get good and blew Netscape away. Netscape killed itself.
Second, the ruling related to bundling IE unfairly was ruled VOID by an appealates court, thus your argument about that is well.. pointless."
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Sorry, but I have to disagree again.
Many decissions about that (and other things) were solved by Ms with cash, and pression to the US Administration and legal system...
IF in all of the courts in the US States that were being judged about that they managed to sneak alive and kicking, I can not tell for sure...
But in other parts of the world they have been comdenned; and in the European Union is an ackowledge fact ...!!!
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"Um, no. First of all, it is well accepted in the community that Netscape 4 SUCKED and IE4 and 5 is when it started to get good and blew Netscape away. Netscape killed itself"
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and NO again ...
I am using the Internet since 1991. I started at the university at that moment, and I remember well the differences of quality amnong Netscape and IE. IE did not became really acceptable until ver 5 and by them all the dirty monopolisty job of Ms aginst Netscape had given results...
Netscape was taken out of the market with unfair monoplictic measures. Thats is an indeniable fact!!!
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I am gonna help you a bit more so you get it...
Maybe I should have said clearly in "the mid 2000 decade"...(that is to say: were we are now 2005-6; isn't it?), when other browsers are taking a part of the IE market...
I did not felt the need to say everything word by word, literally... Sometimes I assume too much about the capacities of everybody...
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"While browsing osnews.com the fonts didn't display right using standard font= tags"
wow, OSNews does indeed have font tags! C'mon guys, "class=leftmenu" and the corresponding style would be cleaner and save bandwith... ;-)
I fear that there will be a backlash from Microsoft haters filling up the bug reports with false info.
No need, there are plenty of real bugs in IE's rendering engine. No web developer would waste time making up fake bugs if they think there is at least a chance that Microsoft would take a look at the reports.
They'll probably get a LOT of duplicate bug reports though...
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About the font tags with osnews, fonts display just fine. I was only using that as an example. I'm not a web developer so I don't know what common issues there are for browsers displaying pages, but saying font tags was the only example I could think of. Again, the fonts are fine.
If MS gets duplicate reports that would be good. At least then they would know there is an actual problem with IE in that specific area.
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As other people have pointed out, this is a pathetic attempt to make it look like the IE team look like they're "transparent" w.r.t. bug reporting. The fact that the Internet Explorer Feedback Site *immediately* requires a Passport login is a user-interface disaster of the highest magnitude. Yes, I have to register and give a lot of personal details (not just e-mail and name like with Mozilla's Bugzilla) before I'm even allowed to *view* a single bug report - sorry, MS, try again - you're languishing in last place w.r.t. to this.
Of course, the even more cynical amongst you might say that it's a deliberate move by MS to block the site with a high barrier to entry like MS Passport, simply to discourage all but the hard-core users from reporting bugs, thus keeping the volume of bugs to deal with low (and, of course, allowing them to brag that they have less bugs reported than on Mozilla's bugzilla)...
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IE 7 Beta 2 is nice. I love it. No, it's not perfect, but it's good enough for me.
I am sure I will be rated down by this great community.
Anything from Microsoft that gets a positive review is always modded down.
God forbid that Microsoft is making better and better products and the jealousy is coming on strong.
